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Kevin Spacey as Jack Abramoff in "Casino Jack" - Kevin Spacey as Jack Abramoff in "Casino Jack"

Kevin Spacey as Jack Abramoff in "Casino Jack"

Kevin Spacey as Jack Abramoff in "Casino Jack" - Kevin Spacey as Jack Abramoff in "Casino Jack"
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Movies: Interview

Kevin Spacey on getting to know Jack

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

In person, celebrities tend to ride the aura that surrounds them. They sit back and wait to be entertained by questions. Kevin Spacey seems intent on undermining all that.

He is leaning forward in a hotel restaurant, his chest practically level with the table, part supplicant, part regular guy. If there’s ever an actor you wanted to talk plainly with about the secrets of the trade, Spacey makes it clear, he is the guy.

It’s welcoming, if a little disarming. It’s also in sharp contrast to his lead role in the film Casino Jack – which opened on Friday – as the stiff-backed, fast-talking Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff, whose shady deals not only led to his spectacular fall from the heights of power to prison, but also brought down a host of congressmen including Republican House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Casino Jack, Spacey says, huddling forward, is about that unrelenting Washington roller coaster.

“This man was on a ride. One of the reasons he got so caught up in it was that he never slowed down enough to look at what he was doing,” Spacey says. “I think that I wanted to have that sense of forward movement, that he was always interested in where he was going and not very interested in what he had just done.”

Spacey, in contrast, is introspective as he describes this. His character may be driven by fast action, but Spacey is obviously very comfortable talking about and analyzing the creative process. The method by which he developed his portrayal of Abramoff seems as important to him as the finished film.

“Even if you’re telling a story based on true events, or it has factual things in it, you’re also dramatizing,” he says. “You’re trying to elevate [the story], and you’re trying to make something more entertaining than people might expect. How do I make a movie about a huge political event and not make it a boring cooking lesson?”

A twist came when Spacey and Casino Jack director George Hickenlooper (who died in October before the film’s release) visited the lobbyist in prison.

“After we had the chance to meet Abramoff, we found him so completely funny and charming in a way that I think neither of us expected,” Spacey says. “Because I’m kind of a political junkie and peripherally remembered this story, I decided I was not going to read anything [more about Abramoff before meeting him].”

The actor and director were both taken aback by Abramoff’s demeanour.

“And so what you’re trying to then do as an actor is say, okay, where in all of this range of material and opinion can I try to play a character that will be a real human being, and not necessarily black or white or this or that? Because it is more complex than that,” Spacey says.

“I try to not judge the character that I’m playing. If I sit in judgment, then I can’t enjoy the character as a person because I so vehemently disagree with what they’ve done or the kind of people they are. I have to be neutral about them as black and white figures,” he continues.

“But you talk to any actor: [They] have to approach it that way. Abramoff probably viewed what he was doing as no different than what everyone else in the lobbying industry was doing. It was a culture, an environment, in which everybody was doing it. He was just doing it bigger, louder, faster, and making more money than anybody else – which also means he was making a lot more enemies.”

Inevitably, some may see Casino Jack as taking sides politically. This is when Spacey changes his posture. He leans back in his seat. Criticism? Lay it on me, his body language suggests.