3:53 : JT: Guimond: you were told that they would help you find info on gov't funding? however they could also open certain doors for you in gov't
3:53 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: That would be something they would do on their own. There is no underhandedness or undue influence. It was based on the fact they knew government.
3:54 : JT: Guimond: you knew that Mr Jaffer had good relationship with Mr Harper?
3:54 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I knew he was a former caucus member, or head of the caucus. I knew he had a 12-year career as an MP. I wanted an intermediary who understood gov't, who could take an application to the right place and get it accessed.
3:54 : JT Guimond: What did you need to know about gov't maze?
3:55 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I've lost my wallet and citizenship card. I had to go to the government website and get it back is my example of a gov't maze.
3:55 : JT: Guimond -- after Sept 10 meeting you sent famous "open doors" to PMO email. you said that you were over enthusiastic. at time you believed he could open doors
3:56 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I've said I was way over enthusiastic. I've said sorry, it was my fault. It was an awful choice of words. I got carried away. He's a former caucus member. The PM is Conservative. I'm taking responsibility for it. THere was no wrongdoing on Mr. Jaffer's part.
3:56 : JT: Guimond: in your email you talked about "repeated commitment on the part of Rahim Jaffer"
3:56 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: Where did I say repeated commitment?
3:57 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I have the email, I don't remember reading that anywhere. Can someone point it out to me?
3:57 : JT: Guimond: i'll come back to that - when you said overly enthusiastic. ewhat do you mean by that? excited to have someone guide you to PMO??
3:58 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I said that someone who could work through the government maze. It was my fault on saying opening the PM's office.
3:58 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I've said I would provide this committee with every single document from the day I met him.
3:58 : JT: Guimond. you signed contract with Jaffer? provide us with documents? concrete things? what did Mr. Jaffer do for you?
3:58 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I go back to the contract that was signed. They would take contracts to the right gov't body to assess whether they were viable.
3:59 : JT: Jacques gourde -- Tory MP. did you turn to other companies? other than Mr Jaffer's
4:00 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I can give you some background. My father founded a company, one of the largest underwritings by RBC. I grew up around my father, he taught me a lots about gov't funding. He didn't need an intermediary. I'm familiar with standard programs. But it's not my cup of tea. I don't want to spend my time on the nuts and bolts of how a company works and submit to the gov't. I'd rather find an intermediary. ISI -- his company -- has never applied to the govt' for funding. It's too cumbersome.
4:01 : JT. Gourde -- you said that in course of last five years you didn't go after gov't funding but before that did you use other consultants? deal with Cdn consultants?
4:01 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I've probably used U.S. consultants. Most companies I dela with are U.S. companies. The majority of my work was in the US up until 2 years ago.
4:01 : JT: gourde-- are you aware of accountability act and sponsorship scandal?
4:02 : JT: marcel Proulx- lib Mp intervenes when gourde asks about lib sponsorship scandal
4:02 Jill Mahoney: Here's a link to a Globe story on documents from Mr. Gillani.
4:03 : JT: gourde -- asks silly queston about supporting the acct act -- after witness says he is not really aware of it
4:04 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I haven't followed the lobbying act up until about 3 weeks ago. I've heard lots since. To be honest with you, I was completely unaware of the lobbying or accountability acts until this happened.