4:05 : JT: gourde is sharing time with Patrick Brown -- a tory MP from Barrie, who is also one of the best MP hocley players on Hill. Brown is concerned about success fees -- were any success feess ytakked about and aware of gravity of this
4:06 : JT: that shoukd be "success fees talked about"
4:06 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I'm aware of the gravity of hte allegations now. I wasn't then. Success fees: I am the same religion as Mr. Jaffer, which means we have a community tie. We have an inherent trust. If I met someone of the same religion, I would immediately assume as trustful. For example, Green Rite, we worked on these companies. BUt you couldn't find a piece of paper saying I would get a share of this. There's a certain trust here. This guy's my religion. He's in my community, there's an inherent trust that comes with that. I don't need a signature on a document to say that. There were no success fees as you talk about. But there's an agreement saying that if something came to fruition, there would be a deal.
4:07 : JT: Brown: and that's the concern -- if Jaffer had presented expectation to you would contravene the lobbying act
4:07 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: The suggestion came from me. It was me who said we will deal with this at the time a deal comes into play.
4:08 : JT: NDP Pat Martin up: asking about contract and says Jaffer led them to believe relationship very cursory. this idea of finer's fee worries me -- lobbying with intent of reward at end is illegal.
4:08 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I can't comment on that because I'm not an expert. I can't tell you about the lobbying or accountability acts.
4:09 : JT: Martin - you didn't know much about lobbying act but how are you on the criminal Code -- did jaffer lead you to believe that he significant enough ties to help you out ? what did you need him for??
4:09 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: No, not at all. Nope, not at all.
4:10 : JT: Martin reading from contract -- you went to him because he has special ties?
4:10 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I mean, to me that says he has ongoing business with the gov't and he may have built relationships up. That's his business. Mr. Glemaud is an attorney. He worked for the Justice department. He reviewed this document, made changes to it.
4:11 : JT: Martin: we feel we were lied to at last committee and that puts us in a foul mood -- some laughs
4:11 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: I think anybody that knows Mr. Jaffer knows he doesn't really have any influence over policy makers.
4:11 : JT: Martin -- there are 6000 registered lobbyists -- why him??
4:12 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: He's the same religion. Don't you meet people through referrals? This came to me through my cousin. We weren't looking to do anything offside.
4:12 : JT: Martin: when you say this is a fairly boilerplate contract??
4:12 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: No, this is from Glemaud. Finder's fee agreements are standard. But this is different.
4:13 : jt: Martin: let's say this individual gets you $1 milliom in business -- what's the fee?
4:13 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: Finder's fee agreement would give anywhere from 3 to 10 per cent.
4:13 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: The company that was getting funded would be the one to decide.
4:14 Jill Mahoney: Gillani is asked where the offshore accounts rumour came from: The same place every rumour came from, Mr. Snowdy (the private investigator who brought allegations to the Conservative Party.)
4:14 : JT: Martin is trying to figure out where runours of off-shore bank accts come from -- lots of questions i have had -- you have answered forthwrightly
4:15 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: Had I known I would have done this myself. I would have done my homework to get the requirements of any given fund.
4:15 : jT: Martinii you can understand how we have trouble that you are naive about lobbying, riules etc?
4:16 Jill Mahoney: Gillani: My father had some dealings with the government. I've learned from him. I haven't asked for gov't money. As a venture capitalist, gov't is too time-consuming. I found a guy who said he could deal with it so I wouldn't have to. What a wonderful deal.