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JOHN WARD

Canadian Press

Latest comment posted at 12:31 AM EST 27/11/06

Garth Turner believes there is a pipeline between Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office and some activists on the religious right ...Read the full article

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  1. Gerald Pohl from Saskatchewan, Canada writes: Years as an MP under Harper's leadership, 10 months under Harper as PM and he BELIEVES there's a pipeline? Shouldn't he know by now whether there is or there isn't?
  2. Geoffrey L from Hamilton, Canada writes: Base on this, the Harper government appears to be a a type of dictatorship with decisions made from the 'top down' with extremely limited 'bottom up' input. This is scary!
  3. james mc from writes: 'The MP says there was a telling moment in that debate when Mr. McVety looked at him and said: “You know what? I can pick up the phone and call Mr. Harper and I can get him in two minutes. It's going to take you a month.”'

    Now if thats not scary, i dont know what is. the thought that a religious group has direct access to this government is scary, the thought that any group wether they be religious, oil, has direct access to the government is scary. MPs are our elected representatives and only they and other government departments should have direct access to the pmo.
  4. The One and Only True PRAGMATIC PUNDIT from Canada writes: And this is surprising? The new Conservative party is controlled by the old Reform party members and they're only waiting for a majority to unleash backwards social reforms on the rest of Canada. Fiscal conservatives need to band together and bring back the Progressive Conservatives or take over the Greens so that there is an alternative to voting for the socially backwards CPC. Where is Joe Clark when you need him?
  5. David Simon from Canada writes: I think there's a pipeline between Garth Turner and sanity but that sometimes it gets quite clogged
  6. B R from GTA, Canada writes:
    Sounds believable !!!
  7. tori scott from Canada writes: yup...(checks watch)...Turner's mouth opens like clockwork. His hits to his website must be falling. I've never met a person who has such a need for the limelight.
  8. p m from vancouver, Canada writes: 'Mr. McVety looked at him and said: “You know what? I can pick up the phone and call Mr. Harper and I can get him in two minutes. It's going to take you a month.”

    Well, after the next election, no one going to want to phone Harper..because he will be in the wilderness....the price of arrogance
  9. jeff smith from Canada writes: Garth -- your 15 minutes were up long ago. Get a job. No one cares what you say or what you thinkg
  10. sharon charles from Vancouver, Canada writes: It is clear that Mr. Harper does not believe he needs his MP's or that democratic representatives should serve a function such as represent or speak for their constituancy. But then he is following the agenda of all who think they have God on their side! How could any of us have had any doubt that evangelical right-wing christians would not have an influence on Harpers policies? When those of us who had been conservatives for most of our life protested the hi-jacking of our party by the likes of Harper (with the help of that little creep MacKay) did we not say, this is now a party of the religious right? Harper's history and views are there for all of Canada to see. Isn't it ironic that as US citizens began to rebel and call for an end to the insane policies brought to them courtesy of the religious right in the US we bring in Stephen Harper? What makes Harper so dangerous is not his religious beliefs, it is his willingness to subvert Canadian democracy to serve his own ends and the wall he builds around him that allows him to act in secret. But make no mistake, he does it with the consent of his MP's who will not stand up to him or speak out for their constituants. For this betrayal of Canada and the right of Canadians to exercise a voice - NOT ONE Conservative MP should be left standing in the next Election. We only have to deliver that message once. It will serve as a clear message to all parties, including the Liberals that we have had enough of party politics that silence the voice of constituants and acts that do not represent the majority of Canadian views.
  11. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: This government is easily the most arrogant, partisan, and intolerant one this country has experienced in quite a long time. Throw the bums out!
  12. Ted S from Regina, Canada writes: A shocking revelation! Indeed, a blinding glimpse of the obvious from Mr. Turner :-). Harper is an evangelist. He, therefore, believes the bible is literally true - every word. He also, therefore, believes that the 'end time' is near. If that doesn't scare you in a PM, you must be crazy. Harper takes his decisions after consultations with evangelists and people so far to the right they can't be mapped, like Ted Morton and others at the University of Calgary who have their roots in southern US republican politics and in evangilism. Harper, along with his buddies Jason Kenny, Vic Toews, Stockwell Day and the rest of the wingnuts are loose and they have power. Good thing that they don't have the clout Bush has! Also a good thing that they'll likely be replaced in the spring of 2007.

    Mr. Harper is truly scary. He's not standing up for Canada. He's standing up for the rapture - which he believes is coming soon. (If he doesn't, he's not an Evangelist.) Do we really want Harper and others like him with fatalist views running the country?

    The McVety referred to in the article is a leading force in a campaign to stand with Israel in their battles in the Middle East, with the true goal of bringing about the book of revelations. I'm no psychiatrist, but that kind of thinking must be demonstrative of some sort of deep mental problem. McVety is a leading figure in advising Harper and a leading figure in the kind of exclusive, nobody but us politics that we just don't need in this country, nor anywhere in the world.

    Understand that people like McVety, Harper, Morton and others are as bad for the world as are Bush and his evangelical advisor Ted Haggard and the president of Iran and his religious advisors who are also attempting to bring about the end-time so that Islam can reign supreme. It never ends.
  13. Lane Myers from Canada writes: Who really cares what Garth Turner has to say? The Harper Haters relish it, but we all know that this individual seems determined to go to any length to get a bit of media coverage no matter how trite. The guy is a former cabinet minister who knows all about the need for caucus and cabinet confidentiality, yet when he was kicked out of the Conservative Party goes around suggesting 'golly gee whiz I didn't know that if I went around shooting my mouth off about confidential caucus discussions my membership in the party was at risk.' The G&M should give us all a break and find something worth while to write about rather than jumping on the Harper Haters' band wagon every time Turner shoots off his mouth.
  14. Lyn Alg from Canada writes: Shades of the Republican Party in the U.S. and why shouldn't it be. After all, the policies and direction of the new Conservative Party in Canada are dictated by the extreme religious fanatics in the U.S. - a fact that has been known for many many months.
  15. Nick Bibassis from toronto, Canada writes: If these allegations are true, Canada meeds to lose Harper. And fast. Some may argue he is a strong leader that gets things done. The same can be said about dictators. I'd like to hear/see the recording of that exchange between Turner and McVety. That would making for interesting viewing during the evening news.

    It's too bad my riding is held by a Liberal. I guess I'll have to find a Liberal candidate outside my riding to help in the next election.
  16. James Young from Brantford, Canada writes: Oliver Cromwell decided that Kings would no longer decide the political agenda about 1653. The people of Canada elected members not a King. I don't believe one man should determine the policies for Canada.

    I can only imagine the outcome is this CPC ever gets a majority with MR. Harper as leader. As much as I detest Garth Turner, I do believe he has a point.

    A Prime Minister with a majority has too much power for a democratic state. I suggest it is a opportune time to change our political structure -- after a public debate. This old boys system is not working too well. A country run by one man is not what democracy is about. As a starting point may I suggest that voting be made manatory, similar to the style of Australia.

    Durgan.
  17. Gill Bates from Wroxton SK, Canada writes: Well, I don't know. I'm not a Conservative voter and likely won't be, but I'm not convinced Mr. Harper is as religious as he's depicted here. Sure, he's the go-to-church on Sunday kinda guy... lay it on a bit for the right-wingers, but I don't see him taking it to heart when it comes to legislation. He's against gay marriage, however I see that more as pure conservatism rather than religion-based. If he is indeed that religious it's a strike against him in my book.
  18. george mcfly from CALGARY, Canada writes: Garth turner seems like the kind of guy that would rat on anyone just to feel important.
  19. Bart Farquart from Calgary, Canada writes: A more accurate headline might have read:

    'Disgruntled Ex-Tory Repeats Some Old Canards'

    No doubt Turner is saving the 'Busharper!' saw for his next exclusive interview.

    Yawn
  20. gene eng from Markham, Canada writes: How many Conservative MPs are there? Only one so far has the guts and backbone to stand up for what is right? This PMO ultimately insults all Canadians. Charles McVety is only interested in power, like Harper, rather than what is Christian.
  21. Vasili Yeremenko from Canada writes: Sigh, do we always have to be five years behind the USA? They have figured out having a holier than thou neocon who thinks his policies come right from god is a bad idea. Just watch Jesus camp, thise are the people Mr. Harper called 'role models' and 'beacons of hope.' Yikes.
  22. poida smith from Canada writes: Harpo and his 'neo con' inner circle......it's a very scary concept that this man leads our government....
  23. A Canadian from Canada writes: Under the Liberal it was the the righteous left. Now it is the the righteous right. I will take the right anytime.
  24. One Big Tory . from Canada writes: WHAT?!?! The Prime Minister doesn't take phone calls from random idiots?!

    My world is falling apart! I'd better vote for the dippers in the next election, at least I know they'll take Osama's phone calls.
  25. JD Woodie from Toronto, Canada writes: This from a man who is influenced by his need for praise, media, and public recognition?

    At least Harper is loyal to something. Et tu, Garth?
  26. sev man from montreal, Canada writes: Rightous right with the Conservatives or Big Business with the Liberals...take your pick...both will lead to a narrow set of policy objectives.
  27. M Hammond from London, Canada writes: I know Garth Turner, and I believe him.
  28. William Borlase from SunnyManitoba, Canada writes: There is nothing like letting a fool talk to show all those listening that 'he has lost it'. It sounds like Turner is listening 'to voices from space' too. It's clearer by the day why he was turfed by the party. Let him rant from the wilderness.
  29. bill wilson from Taiwan writes: The right wing loves order, hence the dictatorship. Democracy is just too messy.
  30. william smith from Canada writes: Who cares what this Guy say's. G&M is this the only news you can come up with. Slow day I guess. I would not want this guy on any team I belonged too. Can you see him on your Hockey team or working in a Company with stated goals & objectives? To Garth go away you are boring me to death. Talk about wanting attention & being insecure. You remind me of the saying who runs the ZOO the Zoo Keeper or the aminals. In your world the aminals do.
  31. Brian Lowry from Fredericton, Canada writes: Well, almost everyone sensibly thought Mr. Harper had some sort of agenda, possibly a hidden one -- now we see that it's also inflexible. I'm sure the country would be better off with a more inclusive leader -- if we end up with a choice between Harper
  32. M PETERSON from Canada writes: Surprised?
  33. U BelieveIT from Canada writes: Typical for the G&M...I guess Jack Layton is running out of front page quotes.
  34. grealy ted from Canada writes: Garth Turner - Haven't you had your two minutes in the spotlight? I really don't want to hear from the likes of yourself anymore - why don't you see if the Liberals will take you in. (They have Belinda, Mr. Volpe, Bob Rae, etc. - you'd fit right in).
  35. Slippery Slope from Canada writes: If we elect our MP's and they have no say because of an autocrat with connections to the religious right, we have no democracy, only a dictatorship!!
  36. Donald White from Hong Kong, Canada writes: Ted S. from Regina: you are so far wrong that you can't be mapped. Harper is not an evangelist, he's an economist. Where did you get this information that Stephen Harper is an evangelist? It seems kind of crucial that you explain because your whole post hinges on this statement. I've never heard the man say a word about the so-called 'end-times' or the literal truth of the Bible. Attack him for his autocracy if you must, but don't attack his beliefs unless you know clearly what they are.
  37. Glenn Finockio from writes: Surprising? Hardly. Not that I'm enjoying Mr. Turner's 15 minutes of fame, but I have to admit having a glimpse into the fortress that is Castle Harper is really enlightening. Hopefully people are starting to see the dangers of voting in one party as protest against another party that was actually doing a decent job for 13 years. Go figure.
  38. B Johnson from Halifax, Canada writes: It's a race to the bottom between Bush and Harper. Which one will be dethroned first?
  39. James Marks from Canada writes: As a past staunch Garth supporter, I am utterly shocked in that his virtue of tolerance has decayed into mud slinging now with accusations of aligning a party that ousted him to politically incorrect accusations regarding religion or spirtuality in any form.

    I felt losing garth was the only mistake the Conservatives made, seeing now harper is doing all the right things. I mean all, faultlessly.

    The time has come to leave political circles, evidently garth is not strong enough and has burned you out. I son't believe he means what he says.

    If you'll excuse the crass jest, may god forgive him.

    It is not as though we'll be marching the goose step as a result of any government's actions. Thanks for your contribution nonetheless Garth.
  40. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: I find it alarming that PMO staffers, unelected, are carrying such weight with the 'new' gov't. It isn't right, that we elect representatives to act as back-drops for the Prime Minister, during question period. I know that I had asked our MP for an opinion when the gov't decided not to lower the flags in respect of a fallen soldier, and I was told that the office was waiting for Ottawa to forward a written rationale. Not what I requested and not what I expect. Why pay these stooges?
  41. Karin Pasnak from North Vancouver, Canada writes: It took Garth that long to figure it out? Sheesh
  42. Tommy Mark from Toronto, Canada writes: I hope people stop making personal attack on Mr. Turner. People are welcome to present evidence to contrary. If half of what he says is true, it is sufficient to scare the hell out of me. Every time when politicians mix up politics with religion, the end result is always miserable for the society. In observing the recent actions of the Harper Government, there seems to exist a gulf of disconnect between the Canadian voters and the government. This appears to support Mr. Turner's contention, in spite of the many flaws that some people attributed to him.
  43. Michael H from Edmonton, Canada writes: I think that we need only look at Mr. Harper's alignment with Ted Morton, who is viewed as extreme right even by mainstream Albertans, to see the types of policies that Mr. Harper is keeping under wraps for a majority government that he will hopefully never get. Some of this is coming out already in the trial balloon of the constitutional change to limit federal spending powers. This is straight out of the Firewall Alberta manifesto, except working from the inside. Essentially, such an amendment will accomplish exactly what Firewall Alberta intended. Harper's approach is to 'save' the country by destroying everything that makes it a country. It is an attempt to turn it into a collection of provinces that agree to coexist and nothing more.
  44. Wang Woo from Toronto, Canada writes: Why does the Globe hover around Garth Turner with a microphone, hoping to immediately pick up on any of his narcissistic musings? Because he used to be a Conservative, that's why, and we all know the Globe loves anti-conservatives... plus, he enjoys spouting anti-conservative conspiracy theories. With the decisions the Conservatives are making, I'm finally seeing leadership in action - if the PM is making a lot of the decisions - so be it. We've got a leader.
  45. Peter Coleman from Canada writes: Poor old Garth- no one is listening to him now so he has to go out and talk to the press so he can continue his all about Garth campaign. Too much me me me from him.

    I think the Conservatives will be glad that he is out of caucus- he has been out for a month and he is still talking about cacus meetings. There comes a point in time you need to be a silent fool- because when you speak like he does you remove all doubt!!
  46. JT From TO from Toronto, Canada writes: With an Ego like his- I'm sure Turner will be calling the papers every week with dirt on harper just to see his name in print-
  47. Proud Albertan from City of Cows, Canada writes: Fact vs. Belief. Aren't newspapers supposed to report on facts, not beliefs? Harper had a good week in the press this week so I think its non news that this newspaper is trying to create to stir the liberals on here again.
  48. Sarah Matthews from Canada writes: So, what is Garth Turner saying? That our Prime Minister should not speak to evangelical Christians?
  49. Scott t from Canada writes: I'm sure it isn't just that Garth Turner has never had the PMs ear. Garth Turner keeps trying to keep is moment in the sun going by coming out with statements of what he believes may be possible happening if star are aligned and if he is having a good day....... come on Garth, you know nothing and we are tired of hearing from you.
  50. The Hag from Canada writes: What a putz. But he's getting press so I guess you have to give him some credit. Funny how things change so drastically after a person is 'kicked out' of something. This guy is a marginal MP, everyone outside of his area code shouldn't be paying attention to him anyways.
  51. Ryan Z from Canada writes: Why is this paper so quick to indulge Mr. Turner?
  52. Boy Tigas from Mississauga, Ontario, Canada writes: OH! Com'on! G & M....Why is this guy back in the news? We already know that it's all about Garth.
  53. J Law from Canada writes: I live in Alberta and I have tried to find this fictitious 'Religious Right' group that is supposed to rule every thing within the borders of Alberta and indeed to have sent these same Religious zealots to Ottawa.
    The people in Alberta are no more religious than in any other part of Canada, but every time some person disagrees with the Conservative's they try to use that wacko notion as a point of argument.
    I wonder why these same wacko did not use the fact that our last two PMs were Roman Catholic to try to win points or as something in which they try to spread fear among the people.
  54. Rob Gilgan from Ponoka AB, Canada writes: Why have we heard nothing from any other Conservative MPs about this? Did the Globe attempt to corroborate Turner's accusations by asking other Conservative MPs?
  55. Roger Freel from Toronto, Canada writes: According to John Ibbitson, in an on-line Q&A session, this is fear-mongering.

    What is it called if it happens to be true? King Stevie is a scary, scary dude. Forbid the day that he should be 'blessed' with a majority government.
  56. C Bruner from Toronto, Canada writes: The caucus aren't getting input on policy? If this is true, then I have only one question. Why aren't they ALL resigning to become independents?
  57. Cec Jesseau from Canada writes: Can this be true? Is it possible? It scares me to think that it could be so................
  58. Grant Bowen from new west bc, Canada writes: Is anyone actually surprised by this? Harper = Control Freak
  59. Joaquin C from Vaughan, Canada writes: Not a big surprise at all. How can Harper allow dissent? The whole charade of a 'united right' will unravel. It seems that he has been holding the two factions together as one with his iron fisted rule. Good luck to Harper. He can only hold on so long before the cracks widen the dam collapses. It can't be soon enough.
  60. I B from Ottawa, Canada writes: OMG! Disgruntled employee complains about management after being fired!

    This bearded fellow is still begging for his 15 minutes of fame - luckily, it seems the press is wise to his irrelevant rants.
  61. John F. from Edmonton, Canada writes: PM Harper has read Machiavelli many times over, that's for sure. He may actually get away with the dictatorship for a lot longer unless the Libs manage a heroic comeback. Interesting times we live in.
  62. Sarah Matthews from Canada writes: I've never heard of Charles McVety before, but a Google search reveals that Garth Turner has a personal grudge against the man, who's from the riding of Halton, also. Why was this information not reported in this Globe and Mail article?
  63. Graham Hanlon from Brampton, Canada writes: I recall years ago, when Mr. Turner was a regular contributor on television and in those days I always thought of his as being an annoying self promoter. Events of the last few months and this latest revelation clearly show my impression of him was correct. The fact that Mr. Harper might accept a call from a member of the evangelical movement before accepting one from him is evidence that perhaps Mr. Harper and his advisors also had the same impression.
  64. Eric MacKinnon from Canada writes: Does Garth Turner think that Christians who are socially conservative do not have a right to make their views known to the Prime Minister? Why is it that in Canada it is okay for the most extreme views of the left can be aired at any time but if one is on the right side of the spectrum it is taboo? I suspect there are some issues of bigotry at work here. Each time Garth Turner speaks he provides more vidication for the decision of the Conservative caucus to oust him.
  65. Brian Kates from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Isn't this what the media wants? The media rewarded Harper for running a tight ship and now they're complaining that he is? Seems hypocritical to me.
  66. Rob Hal from London, writes: It's been almost a year now... the big, bad Conservatives haven't torn our country apart and ripped to shred our freedoms. Come on people, the whole 'Stephen Harper is scary bit' is getting old now. Here's an idea: why not try to come up with some constructive arguments?

    I'm disappointed that my earlier comment wasn't posted though... I would still like to know why the G&M concentrates so heavily on what a single MP has to say. After all, there is over 300 of them...
  67. Brent Raby from Toronto, writes: Normally a person's religion should not be the subject of public comment. However, this is only true insofar as those religious matters remain private. When those matters affect public policy of government then I believe they are fairly subject to comment.The undeniable fact is that Mr. Harper is a particular kind of evangelical as are many in his government and in his coterie of influence. These are not your parent's evangelicals.
    These are fanatics who believe that the end is nigh and that we are on the eve of Armageddon and that we are living in so called 'end times'. The fact that Mr. McVety and his ilk have the ear of the Prime Minister so readily is appalling. What influence do they have on foreign policy, daycare, the environment and other policy? These issues should be decided by rational open debate in Parliament and not by the secretive unexamined input of fanatics.
  68. Normand LaBine from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Garth, Garth. Don't tell tales out of school! We've taken the Reformist Agenda as a given from the NeoCon clan. That the Empire wants to rule from the Dark Side is self-deluding for them. It didn't work for Bush, the Christian Conquests or Inquisitions and even the angry Islamics are finding that God ain't buying any group's way to their selfish goals. Good and Evil are like the two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other to give it dimension. Perfect, on the other hand needs no convincing, no spin-doctors, no Parties.

    We're just too well trained like trained seals to buy the Partisan game. Its all we've ever known in Canada, and we haven't thought about what it takes to revive our passion for a Canada we can love, rather than just coast with.

    If this element of political life carries on, they should look back at what led to the appointment of King Saul, the Boss was not a happy camper. We've seen what happened to David and Solomon's demise. What we have now is a disjointed system that has no continuity between elections and therefor costs us stability and growth in a responsible, synergistic stream of progressive stages in a relatively new (139 years) democratic society among the other 200 societies on this little Spaceship Earth.
  69. brian bishop from Brantford, Canada writes: Let's see, the Conservative's had a leadership convention, Mr Harper won & is the leader of the Conservative Party. We then had a Federal election, which the Conservative's won, making Mr Harper the PM of Canada. So what's Mr Turner's problem? he want's to represent people now! I'm not sure what Mr Turner's been doing or where he's been since 1988, but MP's in Canada have never represented the people, they represent the party their affiliated with. Therefore MP's are only needed in caucus, so they can be made aware of policy's, not to change them. That's the way politics works in Canada & when you try to represent the Canadian people you end up an independent. Most elected MP's understand this & enjoy their lucrative pay, guaranteed gold plated pension & severance package. The intelligent voter in Canada casts their vote based on the Party leader not on the individuals running in each riding. So Mr Turner, it's time to either start your own Political Party or site down, zip it & enjoy the free ride, your little temper tantrums are really getting old.
  70. Nick Wright from Halifax, Canada writes: What Mr. Turner says smacks of truth. I wish our political elites and chattering classess--especially our media--would snap out of their fascination with Stephen Harper's political footwork in the House of Commons. It is pure partisan political one-upsmanship, and none of it means a thing to ordinary Canadians who are just looking for good government. The real story is that Mr. Harper has been realigning Canadian politics with the hardest-right elements in our country, making us almost a clone of the Bush government--in fact even outdoing them in some respects. The Conservatives never received this kind of mandate in the last election. Why is no one alarmed that he is essentially a one-man government (read: dictator)? This should cause outrage after what was said about the Chretien PMO, and after what Mr. Harper promised about openness and accountability. We have been thoroughly hoodwinked. It would not surprise me in the slightest if he was actually implementing the agenda of a small group of archconservatives and people with extreme religious views. We need to take our country back before the next election, by challenging every move Mr. Harper makes to consolidate his power within his own party, and within the government of Canada.
  71. J Luft from Calgary, Canada writes: Well who really cares what Garth Turner says? His comment that 'he believes there is a pipeline between Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office and some activists on the religious right' is typical nonsense. Interesting that he had little to say when the communist/socialist/environmental wacko/gay lobby had the pipeline into Martins office.
  72. R L from Canada writes: WAKE UP CANADA! This extremist ideologically driven PMO does NOT cater to democracy... it is a virtual dictatorship! Stephen Harper is a part of a neocon sect, with the likes of Ted Morton and evangelical religious leaders as his ideological backing, and looks to the backdoor neocons in the US for inspiration, as they set out to push their extremist agendas with ruthless fundamentalism. Yet some citizens don't care as long as they lower taxes? What kind of selfish/greedy people are you that doesn't care about what goes on in the country and in the world, as long as you get to be richer? I'm glad an insider has managed to get the truth out to the public; this is the worst kind of government structure one could conceive.
  73. D.J. Allen from Peterboroough, Canada writes: This business of governing for the chosen few makes me sick. I personally feel, I really don't know, that my MP (a CPCer) is one who would be happy to fit into this no work schedule. I want someone to tell me how to have their salaries rescinded. And, I hope they have quite a few of their members who stand up tomorrow (Monday) and vote NO to the Quebecois Nation motion. An actual thinking member might do this.
  74. Anthony B from Sydney, NS, Canada writes: It's been well-known for some time that Harper is a control freak. And the fact this is not the first report of his autocratic, messianic behaviour lends a lot of credibility to Turner's assertions. The fact that the religious right has so much influence on Harper's policies, while elected representatives have none, is cause for concern. What is going on in this government... muzzling the press, secret profiling of cabinet ministers by PR hacks, emasculating the caucus. Fortunately, arrogant dictators usually get their just desserts. It just takes a few malcontent MPs with guts and integrity. Et Tu Brute!
  75. goofy fathead from Canada writes: this article sounds like little more than liberal scare tactics. first off, even if it were true -it sounds like only those liberals in conservatives clothing are the ones complaining- canada was founded on the 'religeous right' ideals and creeds. under those ideals, we were at one time believe it or not, superior the the americans in every way. we even pushed back their invasion and torched the original whitehouse, unlike the poor state years of liberalism has left us not even able to defend our northern territorial claims against denmark and the US. secondly, there is not separation of church and state in canada. that like the right to bear arms, is an american idea. ironic how the same ppl who push for 'separation of church and state' -heathen sinners mostly or foreigners- are usually the most vocal anti-americans screeching how bad the US is all the time and how we're somehow better because we allow our government to rob us of basic rights to defend ourselves, countrykin and property. funny how the globe didnt say much about how leftwing zealots of the small, minority gay lobby got the liberals to undemocratically hammer through legislation attacking normal citizen's rights to voice opposition to such destructive behaviours, or accepting french as an official language despite the majority of canadians being against it. this article is not only an attack on religeous groups who should have equal if not more influence than the other secular leftist lobbies, but its an attack on the traditional wisedom and heritage that made canada great to begin with. this guy oughta change his name to sally, and run as a liberal next time.
  76. holly cow from Vancouver, Canada writes: What is it with this 'Canada's New Government' crap? How many of you have noticed this? With the capital 'N'? The transcript of Flaherty's debt reduction speech contained that phrase numerous times... What the hell is that? I'll tell you what it is... it is a move straight out of the Karl Rove play book. There are more Rovian bureaucrats involved in developing our countries policies, both domestic and foreign, than there is involvement by elected members of Parliament. This is exactly what Turner is disgusted by and good for him. Just for one minute please put aside your partisan position and think about the degree of cynicism required to operate a government in that manner. A cynicism that is directed at YOU. Weather you voted blue, pink, green or red, this type of PM's office is NOT interested in what you, or the MP you elected, thinks. Stand up for Canada?
  77. Cryin Outloud from Canada writes: This is no different than the sponsorship scandal really, my tax dollars are being stolen by a mob of people that are not doing the job we are paying them to do, And then after they leave office we will be paying them a heafty pension for the rest of their did-nothing-to-deserve-it-time. I know my Conservative MP is useless to me in my riding, there is no point in even asking her to do anything or answer anything that does not follow party lines because the only answer you will get is 'You do not have the facts', or, in her opinion, 'You're ranting or raving'. I want her out of there NOW!
  78. Rob Hal from London, writes: So... why is this front page news? Does the Globe and Mail have nothing better to cover than anything that Garth Turner says? Why doesn't every MP get this kind of coverage?
  79. Robert Stewart from Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada writes: This surprises anyone? Stephen Harper has never answered a question he did not want to answer. He has never explained a decision he did not want to explain. He has never accepted the advice of someone from whom he did not want advice. The fact that this man is the Prime Minister of Canada and has never been called to task on his arrogant self-assurance speaks volumes about the ineffectiveness of the press in Canada today. Are the same people who destroyed Brian Mulroney and Paul Martin afraid that they might be scolded by Harper? It is time Mr. Harper was pushed a little to see if his much-vaunted intellect can stand up to a little honest debate.
  80. The One and Only True PRAGMATIC PUNDIT from Canada writes: #16 - A better starting point would be introducing a form of proportional representation as that would give all votes equal weight and allow people to feel that their vote does mean something. This would also prevent any one party form likely achieving a majority. We could still maintain constituencies and then give additional seats to reflect the proportions of votes if having a local representative would be of concern. Changing the voting system would go a long way to fixing the democratic deficit in Canada.
  81. Miles Lunn from Toronto, Canada writes: This just re-affirms what I've always felt about Harper. As we've seen in the US, in Canada, and possibly soon in Alberta, the far right are trying to hijack mainstream Conservative parties and use them to promote their extreme right wing views. It is not so much Harper doesn't allow dissent, it is the fact he has no time for moderates like Turner. This is why even as a strong fiscal conservative who believes in less government, I didn't vote for Harper last election and want to see him defeated in the next election. I just hope that after the neo-cons self-destruct, the moderates can pick up the pieces and re-build the party. I just wish the Progressive Conservatives still existed and that Canadians had wiped the Reform/Alliance party off the map.

    And this is no newcomer to the Conservatives. He has been a supporter for longer than Harper and stayed loyal to the party during its rough years unlike Harper who decided to go join the far-right Reform Party. The fact both Mulroney and Campbell tolerated more dissent and were more moderate just proves this is not the old PCs, but a continuation of the Manning-Day-Harper Reform/Alliance.
  82. B R from GTA, Canada writes:
    Hopefully Harper's MPs will read what Garth told the country and hopefully the misguided voters in all those CPC ridings will think twice before they vote in 2007.
    His MPs have been called trained seals and sheep and maybe other things. Garth confirmed this. If only half of what Garth told us is true we have a problem in this country that's got to be fixed as soon as possible.

    I remember reading that Harper predicted that we would not recognize Canada by the time he got finished with it.

    The extra 40 or so seats Harper got were sufficient to enable him to do what he wants. Can anyone imagine what he will do in the unlikely event that he gets another 30 seats ? Scaaaaaaary !!!!

    Please, CPC Canadians, wake up and don't let it happen.
  83. monsieur pointu from Canada writes: As the election before last taught us, the liberals will use any statement, made at any occasion, from any Conservative candidate or MP as raw material to be manipulated into scaring Canadians into voting for them so they can keep up the theft. There is nothing too low for those people. Every effort must be made to give as little chance as possible for the thieves to regain access to the machinery of graft. Harper understands this. Harper's caucus understands this. The discipline within the party has been a pleasant surprise for those uf us who want to stop what the libz have done to Canada, and a tactical surprise to the libz who were counting on a lack of solidarity in the Tory party ranks to stay 'on-message'. None of us can let down our guard 'til the stake is in the heart of the party of crooked thieves who used government to steal daily from working Canadians to enrich their friends, this is what we are up against. This is what it takes, Garth. Want to help the crooks get back in and steal more, Garth? With these statements you are doing everything right to help the libz.
  84. Terry Quinn from Oakville Ontario, Canada writes: 'Paul Thompson from Canada writes: This government is easily the most arrogant, partisan, and intolerant one this country has experienced in quite a long time. Throw the bums out! '

    my sentiments exactly...Harper thinks the liberals are weak and he's gong to be PM for many years.........he won't amke it.
  85. Duane Freemantle from writes: We expect an honest and open government. Garth Turner's remarks about the PMO is consistent with how Stephen Harper is running this government. The influence on this Conservative government is not the same as the Republican Party in the USA. There seems to be influences on this Government that has very little politician clout. Issues such as same sex marriage and green house gases are inconsistent with the Canadian populace as a whole and Harper's government. There may be advantages with some of this governments policies, but we strongly oppose implements since the are incompatible with our society values. Harper's stubborness may be actually end up defeating the Conservative Party.
  86. jack sprat from calgary, Canada writes: It is interesting that the only conervative who has shown to be accountable, transparent and willing to fight for his consituents is lambasted for doing exactly what his party got elected to do. I believe Mr. Turner and the evidence that backs up what he says are out there in plain view. Conservatives either don't want to see it or refuse to believe it. Very dangerous.
  87. Mr Black from Langley, BC, Canada writes: Perhaps Harper is using symbolism to compensate for real socially conservative policies. The liberals did that for years - running from the left and governing from the right. The cons already increased immigration, and will surely lose the gay rights issues.
  88. Brian Nicholas from Canada writes: The coverage Turner gets on this website is ridiculous. The man is trying so hard to be relevant, when in reality, he is completely insignificant. Will the Globe and Mail please stop giving this man so much unnecessary publicity?
  89. Ted Boychuk from Calgary, Canada writes: The existing government is in a minority situation and Mr. Turner must completely understand the micros and the macros.It is not apparent he does and under the circumstances he should leave politics.
  90. Jimmy K from Toronto, Canada writes: What amazes me is how the majority of Canadians and the media are only NOW starting to realize what has happened to our Parliament. Remember when Pierre Trudeau called MP's 'nobodies'? That was a long time ago, long long before Stephen Harper, and MP's didn't have a say in anything back then either. Or what about Jean Chretien? Didn't one of our beloved Globe columnists write a book entitled 'The Friendly Dictator', which chronicled how we have become a top-down democracy, where all decisions are made in the PMO and then given by edict to caucus, and by extension, the country? And you are all surprised and blaming Harper for this? There was a party that was bent on changing this, it was the Reform party, and they got shut out of power for being too redneck, too reactionary, too western. Well now the Reform party is dead and we are back to the tweedledee and tweedledum (Liberal and Tory) parties. Vote for the Liberals, the Tories, the Bloc, the NDP, it doesn't matter, all decisions will come from the PMO and trickle down to someone else. This isn't about Harper the control freak, this is about a trend that started wayyyy back in Trudeau's era and reached it's nadir under the Chretien/Martin/Harper regimes. I think perhaps some people just find it more disconcerting when it's done by Conservatives, but when the same thing is done by Liberals like Chretien, it's a-ok.
  91. Heather Coleman from Canada writes: There is absolutley no doubt about Harper's fundamentalist connections. Separation of state and church with Harper - no way.
  92. Eddy Black from From Canada, Canada writes: IF g turner had any credibility regarding loyalty, his comments about his party and leader might possibly be believable. g turner's loyalty was and is to g turner. the conservative party helped him get elected but when he wasn't named to cabinet, an absolutely brilliant move by the prime minister as events has shown, g turner's outrageous wrath that his amazing talent? could be overlooked as being suitable for cabinet knew no bounds. his professed loyalty to his constituents is difficult to be believed. is that the same loyalty he has shown to his party and party leader? g turner has finally suceeded after many failures by stretching his fifteen minutes into thirty minutes, thanks mostly to a media desperate for anything that makes news and/or is critical of the conservative government or the prime minister.
  93. Elizabeth From Vancouver from Canada writes: Sadly, Stephen Harper believes in the Bible as much as he believes in Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or its Constitution. When Harper loses the PM office, who will run for leader then? He's muzzled all his MPs.
  94. G. Veneta from Calgary, Canada writes: Not a surprise and anyone that has doubts should read last month's article in Walrus documenting the religious right's influence in this government or should I say PM as the elected MP's have no say, no influence and are not allowed to represent their constituents as father knows best Harper tells them what to think and what they are allowed to say.

    This is the darkest government this country has ever witnessed and to have a fundie making decisions for a country is dangerous. We can't end this divisive, righteous, angry, destructive government quick enough. They will take us back to the 40's when we need progressive policies on the environment, social justice and poverty. I have lost all respect for those that can support this insanity.
  95. William Hacock from Ashcroft B.C., Canada writes: Isn't it interesting that all Prime Ministers of Canada (in my 65 years in this country) have ALWAYS acted in this same way. Chretien, Mulroney, Trudeau, Dief, Pearson, etc., OTHERWISE their governments would have loose cannons all over the place, disgorging vitrolic, self centered diatribe for their own personal benefit and beliefs. Right or wrong, in any company you can only have one (1) Chairman of the Board or one (1) company President, PERIOD. Garth Turner's ego was hurt because he wanted to be the boss and the boss said NO. If all you LIberals out there do not believe that Chretien operated in a more forceful manner with his cohorts in the previous government then you were not listening or reading about what was going on in Ottawa. Right, wrong or indifferent, the P.M. is the boss, whomever the P.M. is. Sorry folks but that is the way it is and always has been....and always will.

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