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From Saturday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 8:40 AM EDT 19/05/07

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  1. Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: Looks like you can fool 31% of the people all of the time.
  2. garlick toast from mill village, Canada writes: that would be the same 31% who want this unwinnable war in afganistan.boy are we screwed!
  3. Don Wells from Calgary, Canada writes: So what--the only real 'poll' is an election. Under the current fixed date legislation only the Majority opposition can trigger it.
  4. J Knight from Calgary, Canada writes: The Conservative Party is in some trouble and it is doubtful it will win a majority any time soon. In fact after the next vote it would be considered lucky if it even forms the government in a minority situation.
  5. Rona Baird-Zundel from Arvida, Canada writes: That 34% for the Reform-in-Conservative clothing party is but a snapshot that could be up to 5 days old. Since then, the Harper government has gone from gaffe to blatant lies to no-shows at committees to filibustering its own committees to the release of a 'how to' playbook that appears to have been authored for people with a Grade 1 reading ability. The Harperites will probably be at 24% by next Wednesday and the freefall has only been saved by the one week off in parliament. Canadians can forgive a lot but Zimbabwe North we are not!
  6. garlick toast from mill village, Canada writes: with the current state of anarchy on the hill,all that's missing is rick hillier storming into the house to take control.
  7. aloysuis paczjoskteyochuk from Canada writes: Harper should show real leadership should set up a parliamentary inquiry into crop circles.
  8. Not the Alliance from In my opinion the Harper Gov't is STILL Incompetent, and Harper is a pathological liar., Canada writes: No one party deserves to govern at this point.

    But it's no surprise that the Harper 'conservative' support continues to erode. Harper just breeds distrust, and as the months wear on and the deceptions fail and you get a glimpse of what's really underneath. There's not much there. That's the problem when you have a control freak trying to micro-manage, image control, and basically lie his way out of everything. Sooner or later the truth leaks out.

    No one party deserves to govern, but I feel an election is needed to send a clear message to these idiots that we demand cooperation, and a gov't really getting things done. Not the BS 'Getting things done (tm)' that's a product of the Harper 'conservative' Ministry of Propaganda - REALLY getting things done by reaching some level of civility and cooperation. This is impossible so long as Harper is at the helm of the gov't OR the opposition.

    Harper's gotta go.
  9. Midtown Bob from Toronto, Canada writes: Beaten, bruised, call it what it you want...

    We live in Canada!!!
    We are great and the rest of the world can go to ...
  10. dallas mcquarrie from Regina, Canada writes: I'm glad no party has a particularly good reason to seek an election - maybe the fools in Parliament have finally got the message that nobody wants one this summer. A federal election campaign in the summer? Get a life! Harper's slippage in the west is quite understandable, although the issue causing it has since passed from the national media spotlight. Quite simply, in the last election the Conservatives promised the west the same equalization formula that some Maritime provinces were given. After the election, Harper said 'sorry - changed my mind,' and this in spite of the fact that all of his MPs here signed a letter asking him to keep his word. What does it say when a PM's own MPs can't get him to keep his promises? That broken promise is costing Saskatchewan big bucks and people are rightly PO'd. Then the Conservatives tried to say the new deal they did force through was a 'just as good' or some such poppycock. The only thing worse than beaking a promise is rationalizing it afterwards. The PM apparently thinks westerners can't spot a 'bait and switch' fraud before our very eyes. Bad move on the PMs part and incredibly dumb politics for the Conservatives (rather like wetting the bed). Jack Layton should send Steven Harper a thank you note for the new life he has breathed in the federal NDP here. Since the PM has already demonstrated his MPs are worth SFA when the chips are down,I wonder what marvellous promise they'lll campaign on when the next election does roll around. The day of reckoning will come, but there's no need to waste a summer on it.
  11. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Not the Alliance:-- You have all kinds of fodder for one of your instalments....sometime over the weekend...
  12. Mervin Hollingsworth from Saskatoon, Sk., Canada writes: The opposition are united in their hate for the Conservative party and government. That is what is driving the chaos we are seeing in the House these days. The opposition is so terrified that Mr. Harper will gain a majority because of his approach to federalism in Quebec and the rest of the country that they are doing all in their power to thwart the government's agenda. Why is it that separatism is at all time low? Why is it Quebec felt that they had an option in the last Quebec provincial election? Why is it that the new PQ leader is putting a referendum aside for the foreseeable future. It isn't because of the Liberal party my friends. The Conservative party may not be in majority territory with all of the polls published every other day but when an election is called their will be a clear choice. That choice will be between a strong prime minister and a weak, wimpy citizen of France. Canadians know when there is real leadership and they will make the right choice. We are learning clearly that minority governments no longer work. With fixed election dates we know when the next election will be. We need to give a party a mandate to govern. Not this charade we are facing these days. Four years is a short period of time. If the government disappoints then we can boot them out. In the future lets not play with minority governments any longer. It gives democracy a bad name.
  13. Rona Baird-Zundel from Arvida, Canada writes: To Mervin Hollinsworth. I would respond to you post but I'm still looking up the approved answer in Mein Playbook.
  14. David Blott from Moncton, NB, Canada writes:

    Mervin Hollingsworth from Saskatoon, Sk., Canada writes:

    'Canadians know when there is real leadership and they will make the right choice.'

    Mervin: That's the only thing you said that I will agree with. I would say too, that we have not seen leadership from anyone in the House of Commons - hence the poll results.

    I agree with Not the Alliance - all of these clowns have got to start working together. If not we need to get rid of them all.
  15. G. Veneta from Calgary, Canada writes: Seems like 34% still buy into the ca ca du jour. Wow, stunning the bozos in power can still hang on to that support. Unbelievable really as they have done ZERO that has any merit let alone intelligence or thoughtfulness to Canada's future. It's all about nasty partisanship and a divide and conquer mentality hoping Canadians can be spun like their southern neighbours by expensive PR and ads. Oh, and then there's the waste of money called the big spender budget....ouch....so much for the Liberal surplus and fiscal responsibility....out the door to the con spenders on vote buying.

    Canadians deserve so much better.
  16. garlick toast from mill village, Canada writes: we couldn't afford four years of this misgoverning.so merv,what's the opposite of wimp?machoman,new sheriff in town?drove my chevy to the levy.....if you recall,your prov.[sask.]got harperized too,about a bil.dollars worth.of course,we're a little less ambivilant down east having already sacrificed our renewable fishery resource on the alter of big biz.while the priests/ministers chanted'deny the science,deny the science....'
  17. Michael Sharp from Island Paradise, Canada writes:

    Status quo.

    Nothing has really changed since the last election.

    Of significance, of course, is between this time and that time, the Liberals elected Dion as King.

    But nobody wants the new King.

    And even with the Liberals getting a bad King, Harper's support is pretty well the same.

    Now get this.
    Chretien won his '97 majority with 38.5% of the vote.
    The variable at play is the demise of the Bloc in Quebec.
    Who gets those seats?

    5 points is not a lot to make up if it comes from a Quebec leaning right.

    Am I wrong?
  18. Sandy Danchuk from Saskatoon, Canada writes: It seems as though the alliance day and harper are backing themselves into a corner. I wonder why you need to lie to us taxpayers and voters? Like, is this the best you can do. Hope this message gets to you via your new coherts.
  19. Michael Sharp from Island Paradise, Canada writes:

    Whoa, whoa.

    Nothing has changed.

    It's the same as it ever was.
    The game is afoot.
    Who gets the Bloc seats?
  20. Wu'kong Sun from Burnaby, Canada writes: G&M -- please please please add a moderation system so we can send trolls and flamebait to commentary limbo!
  21. Lewis Bartholomew from Vancouver Island, Canada writes: With what was on the news tonight about the latest 'leak' about how the New government is stalling and how they are doing it I have one thing to ask. If throwing promises of money is 'getting it done' and flip flopping on major issues is 'getting it done' and screwing up committee meetings on purpose is 'getting it done' and underhanded tactics to slow government action down is 'getting it done', when will we actually see this new government getting it done so the next government can get in there and start blaming this one for 'not getting it done'?
  22. Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: Wu'kong It's just fun.Don't be such a bore,it's so very Canadian!
  23. evelyn robinson from Canada writes: How can anyone be dumb enough to still support the unethical secretive governing of the harperites.
  24. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: Sandy Like,I forgot to mention that you sound like Lindsay Lohan.

    __________________

    Diane, 'like' how old are you 13? Like maybe like read like what you just typed there? LIndsay Lohan you sound like. Jeez... Is this what Harper is recruiting now for trolls.
  25. Michael Sharp from Island Paradise, Canada writes:

    Randy Hyland from Winnipeg:

    I'm a paid Conservative troll.
    Living high on the hog. These guys have lots of money. You should try it. It's great.

    Excuse me, I'm off to buy another condo.

    Vote Conservative.
    They pay better.
  26. dave sharpe from Canada writes: well now, it seems that harper's decision to toss three seats in nfld. may really cost him in a close election, imagine that harper
  27. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Enjoy your condo Mike, I am quite happy with my little bachelor suite and cheap Rent here in Manitoba. Makes Retirement much easier on me with less bills to pay.
  28. Robin Hannah from Canada writes: Like, omigod, Schweik, once again you're posting anger and derision and insults? And asking, 'Like,don't you know they are liars ?' (You mean Stephen Harper and Co., caught out in treasonous lies, is that who you mean?) Meanwhile you feel free to insult a possibly young poster here? Because she uses the word 'like'? Way to go, Schweik, way to encourage young people to engage in the political dialogue. You are as charming as ever. Sandy Danchuk, I say go for it. And don't let the sour Schweiks of this country discourage you.
  29. david sandford from Canada writes: when the conservatives start acting like they are the government, and not squabbling and screeching like they are in opposition...then perhaps they will rise in the polls, but that is unlikely....
  30. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    You are asking the wrong questions my Liberal friends. Instead of bashing PM Harper and his gang, who have been nothing more than ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE the last 5 weeks, the questions you should be asking is why your party IS NOT gaining?? What is stopping the LPC from gaining on terrible performance of the CPC??

    So here it is: Your convention was hijacked by Gerald Kennedy (and Justino Tru-dough) and the deals with the devil, and you emerged with a fourth place and very weak candidate in Dion who was originally only supported by 16% of you Liberal folk and 17% after the first ballot-and you are now paying for your sins.

    You missed a golden opportunity to re-new with Michael Ignatieff who is brilliant, much more charismatic, eloquent, worldly, and not tied to the rot of the Liberal past (with the exception of Coderre) Non-partisan people can see the past still rules, when your new leader wanted to re-admit a Sposorship Scandal player back in.

    It would be interesting if a hypothetical poll was conducted showing where the Liberal Party would place today with MI, or Rae, or even windbag Dryden at the helm. Yea, I know, not enough Kleenex boxes to go around......
  31. david sandford from Canada writes: no more MAJORITY gvernments... this is what this means to me...Dion's agreement with the GREEN party has sounded the end of the conservative rule..,
  32. david sandford from Canada writes: CHECKMATE HARPER!
  33. Lalo Lad from Toronto, Canada writes: I have been disappointed of the Liberals for the past 8 years and now of the Conservatives, who claimed they would bring a different kind of governing, have transformed into a bad attempt of Liberalism. The comments posted here clearly show how the different parties can't work together in a constructive, efficient, examplary way. The fact that we live in a democratic country and the envy of many doesn't mean that we still have lots of room of improvement. My prediction is that we are going to be stuck with this minority government for quite some time and all the parties have to get used to this kind of environment because it may become more common now that we have more parties, people are not loyal to a party anymore (unlike people in this board), people question their leaders more than in the past (again unlike many in this board), etc.
  34. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: Ah, but they are still ahead, much to the chagrin of the partisan press and the obstructionist opposition and some contributors to this forum. This newly heralded strategy is one more example of Prime Minister Harper's savvy that aims to frustrate them all. Clearly, he has decided if the only aim is to obstuct rather than move ahead, he will obstruct the obstuctionists while, in the meantime, getting things done. Well done Mr. Harper; it will be a long time before you have to announce a change in the address of you home. Onward and upward.
  35. Not right or left from Canada writes: Looks like you can fool 34% of the people all of the time.
  36. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Let me ask the question another way. Why does 70% of the population not consider the Dion lead Liberal Party as an alternative to the present, I'll admit, GONG SHOW government???

    That is the question my Liberal friends need to answer. Bash all you wish, but it is time for you to look inward-maybe the problem is there. You had a convention, (??) picked a new saviour, are up against an almost dysfunctional government, and you still cannot move forward. Why is that? If you can't score against a rudderless, confused CPC at this point, you may be in more dire straights than previously thought!
  37. James Clost from chaozhou, guangdong, China writes: as far as i can see, both major parties and the ndp have made major blunders in the past 6-12 months. as noted by r carriere, i'd say the liberals look worst through all of this in that they havent capitalized on the heavy criticism the conservatives have faced over recent issues.
  38. Kim Huynh from Montreal, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:...
    Your observations about how the Grits supporters failed to pick the right man at the helm is worth noting. It may take another Liberal minority government to clear the way for guys like MI and Rae to emerge as good leaders of that party.
  39. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    James Clost from chaozhou, guangdong, China
    Kim Huynh from Montreal, Canada

    Good Morning,

    With blunders being committed by the CPC, and decption ( the latest being the Atlantic Accords fiasco...) I would have seriously considered moving to the LPC with a Michael Ignatieff as its leader!

    I had the opportunity to read his books, and he would have been a wonderful leader of the now defunct Progressive Conservative Party. I truly believe if he would have taken the helm of the LPC, he would have moved it towards the center, and with his knowledge and charisma, probably would have won a glowing majority.

    I just cannot see myself backing a Dion lead Party that he is moving more to the socialist left and alienating the void in the middle. As for leadership qualities, who would you like to have in the chair if disaster comes upon Canada: Dion (who unfortunately would have trouble communicating-or Ignatieff? Simple answer, right?

    It is obvious Canada now craves a real leader to get all of us out of this funk we have fallen into. The problem appears that there is NO PARTY or Leader the majority of us feel comfortable with-hence the polls we continue to see!
  40. Dave T from Toronto, Canada writes: I have believed for some time that what Canada really wants is the Liberal Party's policy platform but with some group other than the Liberals in charge of it.
  41. Not right or left from Canada writes: R. Carriere, how come the Conservatives couldn't win a majority even though the Liberals were awashed in scandal. If the Conservatives couldn't win a majority during adscam than I doubt they will win a majority when everything is quiet.
  42. Vern McPherson from Toronto, Canada writes: 'The Conservatives have been on the defensive in recent weeks, suffering some criticism of budget measures from business groups and three provincial premiers, a controversy over the handling of the transfer of detainees in Afghanistan, and a lukewarm reception for their environment plan.' ------------------ Methinks if the poll was taken next week the latest of a long line of serious COns gaffs would be reflected more demonstrably. Why are the numbers not changing that much ? Perhaps the Pollsters are asking the same people the same questions every time LOL !! Perhaps people are just not interested because they are making so much money right now they don't care. Carrierre good questions you pose. Both leaders can't seem to make a breakthrough. Harper was handed the best chance in modern times last election and he couldn't get beyond a skinny minority. I think the chance of his outfit becomming a regional rump again are very much alive with the latest missteps and the general mistrust Canadians have for him. Dion has certainly not impressed so far either. I am beginning to think the libs will take a lot longer to resolve their differences - if it is possible at all under him. And let's face it. If they asked only you and me what we thought in the poll we migtht have the same statistical tie LOL !!! Dion's summer activity will be crucial. Harper needs to lie low and shut his people up even more ????? It's his only hope now. He has to go with what brung him We'll see.
  43. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Not right or left from Canada writes: how come the Conservatives couldn't win a majority even though the Liberals were awashed in scandal.

    I believe you have to put that election in context. Yes, the scandal was going on, but the CPC was a new Party, ( a Party formed by a broken Peter McKay promise) and there were several questions as to how they would govern and what faction would control the government if given a chance. There were also several newbees at the federal level with no past experience.

    At the time Paul Martin preached enough about a 'scary Party and agenda' and he may have not been far off base......

    Regarless of media slant, the Canadian voter is a very smart animal. They allowed a CPC minority government-not a majority, to possibly see how they would govern, and allow the LPC to renew itself in the time being.

    It appears both situations in the LPC and the CPC have failed terribly to date!
  44. James Clost from chaozhou, guangdong, china, China writes: r carriere, good morning to you as well. stephane dion, from the outset has not shown himself to be a strong leader. he just seems weak and not in control of his party. on the other hand, stephen harper, while he appears to be a strong leader, seems to be too much in control. none of the other parties are fit to lead the country so no point in discussing them here.

    in my opinion, none of the current crop of politicians are particularly inspiring and maybe what canada needs is a disaster to befall us so that a real leader might appear from somewhere.
  45. Rachel M. from Land of Polls and Trolls, Canada writes: Since the merger of PC and Reform, much of the policies of the new CPC has been moved towards the center of the electoral spectrum, traditionally occupied by the Liberals.

    Today a good chunk of the 31% and the 34% could swing either way, but only if there will be serious policy gaps between these two parties. Since Harper has moved to the center by de-emphasizing the conservative social issues, Dion has shfited 'left' to create a difference between the two parties, focusing on Kyoto, and a few other stance on canceling the GST cut, income trust.

    In the next election, it may come down to whether the centrist voters will follow Dion's shift or to stay traditional in the realms of economy, jobs, taxes, budget.

    Meanwhile, most Canadians seem content to leave the minority government in place and not return to the polls anytime soon.
  46. Simply Red from Canada writes: Odd -- every poll by every other pollster in past few weeks has put the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives -- usually by just a point. The Strategic Counsel is nearly alone in suggesting the Tories are still up on the Liberals.
    The summer jobs fiasco and the House of Commons mahem project won't help the Cons; watch for other polls to tank this week, even if Strategic Counsel doesn't.
  47. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Vern McPherson from Toronto: Good Morning Vernie

    A few questions for you. You appear closer to the present LPC than I am (LOL) yet is there any truth to the rumours that Kennedy is working behind Dion's back? I have read that in a few papers. Remember, Justin Trudeau was also in Kennedy's camp during the leadership convention-almost bumping into him each time he stopped walking. Also where is Bobby Rae Day. Is he still disgruntled? Will he run?
    2) Wouldn't the LPC be better served with MI as its leader? Yea, I am terribly disappointed with the CPC and certainly with the latest Atlantic Accords BS only passed because the bloody separatists backed the vote. What does that tell you? But you won't recruit me to the LPC until Dion is gone and the rot is cleansed...lol!! Work on it Vernie baby-there's a lot of us centrists out there......
  48. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Simply Red from Canada: Good Morning

    No one is really in the lead-it is more a statistical tie of this snapshot. Nikita Nanos and SES has been the best in predicting elections of the recent past-his polls have shown the same in reverse....anyway, it appears we are really far away from another one.
  49. Rachel M. from Land of Polls and Trolls, Canada writes: Simply Red from Canada writes: Odd -- every poll by every other pollster in past few weeks has put the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives -- usually by just a point. The Strategic Counsel is nearly alone in suggesting the Tories are still up on the Liberals.
    =======

    Don't think so. The polling results mirror much the 2006 election.
    Here is another poll from Ipsos yesterday, published by Canwest media.

    http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=bcee585e-52da-4d17-b9fb-7184a0cb215d&k=30376
  50. Kim Huynh from Montreal, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: ...,
    R,
    I agree with you on choosing MI as the Grits leader. He has some misteps early on after years spending in the academic world outside Canada. Wiith time, he should be able to grasp the feels of Canadian politics. If Dion failed to deliver next time round, MI would be the one.
  51. True North from Canada writes: The more it is revealed to Canadians that Steve Harper is nothing but a little dictator, a pale imitation of Bush orchestrating everything from the PMO, the more the current government's numbers will continue slide. Especially as the conservatives are deliberately not doing their jobs while being paid by Canadian tax dollars and 'blame the previous government for everything' can no longer be used without backfiring.

    Did you know MP's used to be able to table bills in their own constituents interests but not in Steve's democracy. In Steve's democracy, a government party MP is merely a vote he controls and he will tell MP's what's good for their own constituencies.

    Steve Harper is a terrible leader.
  52. Derek Holtom from Swan River, Canada writes: Ho hum.
    What does this all mean? It means polling companies are making a lot of money right now.
    And as for the posters on here - you partisans really make me laugh. There's nothing to be proud of in Ottawa these days, from any party.
  53. Vickky Angstrom from Calgary, Canada writes: Funny how this article calls the three parties battered and bruised, but really the NDP is making great gains and has not compromised its principles one iota.

    I always find it funny that conservatives and liberals heap scorn on the one party that sticks to its beliefs and tries to take the high road.

    Seems like a lot of voters are more afraid of principles of fairness and sharing and honesty than they are of corruption, corporate rule and undermining democracy.

    The Globe and Mail should be a bit more careful about lumping the NDP in with these two other worn-out, corrupt, entrenched parties. The NDP is doing fine and staying honest to boot.
  54. Jack Frost from Windsor, Canada writes: Ontarians really need to pay attention to what's going on. According to John Ibbitstan (sp) in his book The Polite Revolution, Jean Chretian and Paul Martin had zero intention of ever implementing Kyoto because of the deleterious affect it would have on Ontario manufacturing and Alberta energy. Just recently Ian Urkhart of the Toronto Star said much the same about Stephan Dion's green ambitions. Coupled with a high dollar which is costing Ontario manufacturing jobs a prime minister who subcribes to idealism and is blind to reality may well cost Ontario a very large amount. Look before you leap.
  55. Jack Frost from Windsor, Canada writes: And if you can't bring yourself to vote PC, for heaven's sake don't vote Liberal-this pack of deceivers have lost the moral authority to govern. Vote NDP. At least Layton has integrity and didn't sell his soul to Elizabeth May the way Dion did.
  56. B R from Canada writes: Mervin Hollingsworth from Saskatoon

    'The opposition are united in their hate for the Conservative party and government'

    Are you serious ??

    What could have possibly brought on this hate if we have a lilly white, transparent, standing up for Canada, totally honest, never lying, not a below-the-belt gunslinger, no smear artist, not contemptuous................ sweet Prime Minister ?

    You are right : 'It is unfair '
  57. Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: Robin Hannah Mommy let you stay up very late last night for a treat ? Don't abuse it.Can't you see that mocking someone is not hatred.You seem to have no idea of the true meaning of the word.Again,another dull and mealy-mouthed Canadian.Tell me,teacher or social worker ?
  58. Dave T from midwest, Canada writes: The most important decision made by a Canadian politician since the millenium was the decision not to send Canadian soldiers into Iraq. The next most important decision has yet to be either determined or faced.
  59. Rachel M. from Queen Victoria's Dominion of, Canada writes: Lisa Jones, relax, have a glass of wine, and propose a toast to the Queen. Have an early Happy Victoria Day :-)
  60. Vickky Angstrom from Calgary, Canada writes: Lisa Jones: You know whenever you become obsessed about what you hate more than you are obsessed about what you love, that is a very bad sign.

    Advice: Avoid websites that are against things or people. Go to websites that are for things or people. I took a look at your link - and I thought it was funny/sad and a little pointless because I couldn't see any beliefs or principles to get behind other than hating people. Bad sign.

    So write me another e-mail and tell me the principles and beliefs that make your heart soar - then we can have a dialogue about party policies and how they match what you and I care about.
  61. bob saunders from belleville, Canada writes: Vickky Angstrom from Calgary, Canada writes: Funny how this article calls the three parties battered and bruised, but really the NDP is making great gains and has not compromised its principles one iota.

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    The party of Taliban Jack and Glenn Clark a party of principles. I don't think so and either do the majority of Canadian. What did they poll?
  62. Vickky Angstrom from Calgary, Canada writes: bob bob bob: read the article.
  63. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Vikky... The anglo-celts have been legislated out existance in Quebec through racist laws targeted to get rid of them. Vikki, no anglo-celt in the country who has seen the images and read the file at the link below has continued supporting the Liberals. That file destroys Liberal support completely and unconditionally, because that file makes we anglo-celts realize just what this country is really about, and its not about Liberals and Conservatives; it's about French and anglo-celts.

    http://quebecexposed.tripod.com/fleurdelise.pdf

    Vikki, based on your post, I doubt that you are an anglo-celt. You are likely French or a visible minority posing as an anglo-celt. No anglo-celt who has read the above linked file would talk like you do. The file is too shocking...too disturbing for us. It's a wakeup call for us.

    ALL ANGLO-CELTS NEED TO READ THE FILE I LINKED TO ABOVE AND THEN WAKE UP.

    no anglo-celt who has seen the images and read
  64. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Let me ask the question another way. Why does 70% of the population not consider the Dion lead Liberal Party as an alternative to the present, I'll admit, GONG SHOW government???

    That is the question my Liberal friends need to answer. Bash all you wish, but it is time for you to look inward-maybe the problem is there. You had a convention, (??) picked a new saviour, are up against an almost dysfunctional government, and you still cannot move forward. Why is that? If you can't score against a rudderless, confused CPC at this point, you may be in more dire straights than previously thought!

    * Posted 19/05/07 at 7:56 AM EDT

    Rob, now take that analogy, especially the last sentence and change the CPC to LPC and you come up with the same question do you not? Why is it that the Conservative Party cannot score against a rudderless LPC? Fair question don't you think.
  65. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Lisa Jones - Canadian?

    Please explain the following comments:

    1. Throughout history the French have been racist against the anglo-celts in general.

    Do you mean French or Quebecois? Different peoples in many, many ways.

    2.Quebec should be cut off financially because it is a racist hotbed of anti anglo-celtic racism.

    I take it that this is from the 'they did first' school of infantile policy? This explains quite a bit about the Anglo-Celts Northern Ireland history.

    3. if you are an anglo-celt, you will NEVER support another French/Quebec leader to run this country again.

    Even if this hypothetical leader had some of the best ideas and policies? Seems to be a very immature political philosophy.
    He's not one of us so no matter how good the platforms are we'll never vote for him. I guess the Anglo-celts you speak for haven't evolved much since the 1950s.
  66. Jade F from Canada writes: As long as Harper is out next time I'll be happy for at least awhile.

    And Diane S, sometimes you have some very informative information and good points, but like, so often, like you are just a , like a jerk.
  67. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Gaeton. Increasingly, the anglo-celtic world, that being all people from the British Isles and Ireland and their descendants in the colonies worldwide, are well aware of the trouble the French, like yourself have caused throughout history to separate the Irish from the rest of us. Even in Ireland, they are now well aware of this fact, and they have laid down their arms forever. Yes, we had that terrible problem with Cromwell, but that is behind us. Even DNA research has showed that we are all brothers and sisters, those of us in the anglo-celtic world, including those from Ireland and Scotland. You French people will not separate us and allow us to destroy eachother from within again. Gaeton, the racist laws in Quebec against the anglo-celts are just that, racist laws. Their intent is to legislate the anglo-celts out of Quebec. They have been around for a long time. I repeat, they are racist laws. The French throughout history have abused the anglo-celts, right from the start of recorded history. Anglo-celts in Canada need to smarten up and unite in light of what has happened to their brothers and sisters in Quebec. It would be suicide for them to support any French/Quebec based leader ever again. And if they had half a brain they would support any leader who would put the breaks on the spread of French throughout the country. I repeat...all anglo-celts need to read this file., every word. http://quebecexposed.tripod.com/fleurdelise.pdf
  68. Jason Roy from Nova Scotia, Canada writes: Rachel M. from Land of Polls and Trolls, Canada writes: 'Simply Red from Canada writes: Odd -- every poll by every other pollster in past few weeks has put the Liberals ahead of the Conservatives -- usually by just a point. The Strategic Counsel is nearly alone in suggesting the Tories are still up on the Liberals. ======= Don't think so. The polling results mirror much the 2006 election. Here is another poll from Ipsos yesterday, published by Canwest media. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=bcee585e-52da-4d17-b9fb-7184a0cb215d&k=30376' Interestingly enough the same page which displayed poll associated with the link you provided also had an article about a poll showing a majority of Canadians want Canada to take a lead role in ending the crisis in Darfur. The Pollara poll, which surveyed 1,642 people across the country, found that 66 per cent agree that Canada should play a lead role in stopping the 'genocide' in Darfur, with 27 per cent saying they strongly agree. Quebec and the Prairie provinces led the country at 69 per cent, with B.C at 67, Ontario at 65 and Alberta at 63 (and all this time I thought Alberta and to an extent the Prairies were supposed to be a bunch of racist Conservative rednecks). The poll also shows 52% of Canadians want troops sent to Darfur as part of a peacekeeping mission. My question is, how long after the first report of a cut finger or skinned knee or civilian related incident will it be before the cries of 'bring the troops home', 'illegal invaders and occupiers', 'Harper did it because he is Bush's puppet' and 'it's all about oil' will start?
  69. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Lisa I went to the link. I never laughed so hard in my life!!! If this is the state of the artwork in BD, then the industry is in BIG trouble. The drawings look like the work of untalented children.

    Note that is was supposedly commissioned by the St Jean Batiste Society, not exactly the home of intellectual integrity.

    I tried to find this book on the Guerin site and could not find any book or BD by that name.

    As for the rest of the article, it sounded like old fashion Protestant, Orange Order end of the world stuff.

    A final note, there really doesn't seem to be much difference between what you are posting and what this BD says. Both are inflammatory, half-informed opinions based on very little fact.

    Yep, you and the St Jan Batiste Society have very much in common.
  70. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: As I just said to Gaeton: All anglo-celts need to read this file, every word.

    http://quebecexposed.tripod.com/fleurdelise.pdf

    Once you do, you will never support another French/Quebec based leader/party in Canada again, never. This country is now about demographics. It is no longer about Conservatives or Liberals, but about French and anglo-celts.
  71. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Good Morning Randy:

    You state,'Why is it that the Conservative Party cannot score against a rudderless LPC? Fair question don't you think. '

    Absolutely fair-the question answers itself don't you think? It's called total disaray of ALL the parties......and disrespect for the Canadian people!
  72. Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Good morning to you to Rob. It is absolutely sickening watching that bunch in Ottawa these days. Question period is probably being submitted world wide for most 'Funniest Vidio' clips for T.V. stations. Or most dysfunctional Government category.
  73. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Gaeton, only a racist French person would think the book and the file is funny. Anglo-celts are not laughing about the book. The book was discovered and confiscated from an elementary school in Quebec by anglo-celtic parents. The rhetoric in the file does not make anglo-celts laugh. Only racist French people laugh at the book. Are you racist Gaeton? At least you are honest about your feelings. I believe the Conservatives have stopped giving Guerin grants. I don't know if they still sell the book, but it has been on many book lists in Quebec, and, was also sitting in the French dominated and controlled National Library in the Chidren's Section for years. I have proof of all of this. What's disturbing is that the Chretien and Martin liberals continued to give the publisher of this book grants to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars annually until they were finally turfed by the Conservatives. Gaeton, many French people have laughed at this book. That makes them racist. You don't seem to understand that. If an anglo-celt published a book like that they would be thrown in jail. I repeat, all anglo-celts need to read the entire linked file and look at the terrible images. The very fact that you laughed at the book, Gaeton, and that you are French, should say a whole lot to the anglo-celts who read this blog and link to the file today. http://quebecexposed.tripod.com/fleurdelise.pdf Once you have done so you will never support a French/Quebec leader to run this country again....never.
  74. Stop! Think! from Canada writes: I think the con supporters here seem to be forgetting a few things...First, this poll is from the strategic council...A true blue supporter of Harper, they predicted an overwhelming majoirty in the last elecation, and their the only poll that hasn't had the LIberals leead at all....The article also mentions that Harper has gained nationally due to gains in the west, since Harper can't win any more seats out west, I think they are pretty much screwed...Oh and vicky, sorry hun, but the Libs still lead in Ontario, read the article...In fact they still lead over the Cons in pretty much every province except Alberta, this does not bode well for them, take the numbers howevr you wish...But if you listen to the numbers from strategic ounicil, then you also believd the Cons would win 170 seats last election, after all thats what the poll said they would win...LOL
  75. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Dear Lisa, you obviously misinterpreted my laughter and ignored the rest of my comments. ANY reader of BD can see that this 'book' is garbage.

    P.S. You cannot be racist when you are discussing difficulties between Caucasians!

    Even Quebecois don't take the St Jean Batiste Society seriously. That would be the same as you believing everything the Orange Order, Sinn Fein or Reverend Paisley says.
  76. The Iconoclast from Canada writes: 3 stooges leading 3 listless parties.
  77. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Lisa on a note of history of the English Royal family. Here are a few of the Francophones in the line.

    Guillaume de Normandy - William the Conqueror
    Geoffroi D'Anjou - Geoffrey of Anjou (PLANTAGENET)
    Eleanor D'Aquitaine - Elanor of Aquitaine
    Richard Coeur de Lion - Richard the Lion Hearted
    Eleanor de Provence - Elanor of Provence
    Margurite de France - Margaret of France
    ETC.ETC.ETC.

    Not to forget the Stuart Line which is the French spelling of Stewart!

    No matter where you go we are there!
  78. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: No Gaeton, the book is racist. It is a reflection of Quebec society. And racism is not an issue of color only. It's roots are found in oppressive behaviour toward any minority. And as I said earlier, the laws in Quebec are racist against the Quebec minority anglo-celts, who are one of the three founding nations in Canada and should have never been legislated out of existance in Quebec. The very fact that the book sat in the French controlled National Library and that Guerin got grants for years from the French/Quebec controlled Liberals speaks volumes. And those very same people are now taking over the NDP because they know the anglo-celts are on to the devious sinister French/Quebec controlled Liberals who lied to them over and over again.
  79. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Randy Hyland from Winnipeg, Canada: Could not agree more. I looked far and wide for the McGuinty-Galipeau ' Rumble in the House' but I guess CPAC would be the only one and they probably didn't catch it. Would have liked to have seen the look on McGuinty's face.

    Ed Broadbent warned the HOC in his final speach that this type of conduct and behaviour should not be tolerated and that he had never seen such a disrespectful bunch..........it's a good thing he isn't there today.....
  80. Steve Murphy from Alberta, Canada writes: The opposition parties have had a great time throwing their weight around for the last few weeks in order to make the government look bad. The government has fought back by using whatever tactics it can to keep control.

    What is funny is the opposition parties think they were looking good by acting this way. Posters here are proud as punch and waiting for some polls that show them taking over. As polls like this and the Ipsos poll yesterday which has the Cons at 36 percent show, nobody is moving over to the opposition. Harper has easily held his base and with a good election campaign and tons of donations could well yet win a majority next year.
  81. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Dear Lisa, on another technical note:

    There are only two founding peoples of Canada since the Autochtone were already here and had no intention of re-founding a new nation with us late comers.
  82. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Gaeton, I am quite knowledgeabe about deep history. You don't have to remind me. The greatest tragedy to anglo-celtic history was the invasion of 1066. We are still trying to undo all of that. However, the completed human genome project has revealed that, for the most part, the anglo-celts throughout the UK and Ireland, and indeed, the descendentsi in the colonies, are still closely related. In spite of the invasion of 1066, we are intact, and we instinctively seem to know this. My point is that it is time for us to unite in Canada (anglo-celts) to stop the Frenchification of the entire country. Already the Frenchification machine controls all of the federation's pursestrings because they are aggressively taking over all the beauracracy in Ottawa. The French/Quebec Frenchification machine now holds over 65% of all Federal government jobs in the country. They won't allow even one anglo-celt to hold a job in the federal civil service outside of the National Capital region in Quebec. Anglo-celts throughout Canada need to be alarmed by this.
  83. Jack Frost from Windsor, Canada writes: Oh and vicky, sorry hun, but the Libs still lead in Ontario, read the article......but the Liberals are loosing ground in Ontario, a statistical trend I hope. The Liberals have lost the moral authority to govern beginning with their RED BOOK which was little more than a pack of lies. Not to be outdone by these falshoods they continued to mislead by signing Kyoto, bragging to the world that they were leaders of a great humanitarian nation and then did nothing, absolutely nothing about reducing CO2 immisions-they actually went up by 30%. Then they promoted the mythology of the Peacekeeeper yet failed to represent Romeo Dallarie when he reported that a genocide was happening in Rwanda-young girls found the next day with their genitles ripped out with jagged hunks of glass. I'm sorry but this inept cowardly myth spinning organization makes me chuck.
  84. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Oh really Gaeton. Who are the two founding peoples? And while you are pondering this...remember Canada did not exist at the time the colonies were being set up in the Americas.....
  85. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Lisa - Still trying to undo 1066 - By all that his Holy, you've really got to be kidding! I would wager that your quote would elicit roars of laughter in England.

    Here is just one of the significances brought by this French conquest:

    Language

    One of the most obvious changes was the introduction of the Latin-based Anglo-Norman language as the language of the ruling classes in England, displacing the Germanic-based Anglo-Saxon language. Anglo-Norman retained the status of a prestige language for nearly 300 years and has had a significant influence on modern English. It is through this, the first of several major influxes of Latin or Romance languages, that the predominant spoken tongue of England began to lose much of its Germanic and Norse vocabulary, although it retained Germanic sentence structure in many cases.

    In other words the foundations of the language you use today!

    Damn those French buggers:-)
  86. Lisa Jones of the Anglo-Celtic nation within a nation from Canada writes: Gaeton. I have studied Old English extensively. What's your point? The French destroyed our language and nearly our culture? They have never stopped. They constantly try to divide the anglo-celts to continually cause trouble, not only here in Canada but throughout the anglo-celtic world. You just tried to do that today Gaeton. It is time for we anglo-celts to unite and protect our rich historical languages and our vastly deep rich culture before it's too late.
  87. Arzie Chant from Canada writes: The writing is on the wall, harper. You're days in power are numbered.
  88. gaetan diotte from ottawa, Canada writes: Lisa, yes you are technically correct, First was the various Autochtone tribes - such as the Hurons, Abinaqui, Iroquois and so on. Then came Nouvelle France, then came Colony of Canada ( Treaty of Paris) and then in 1867 came the Dominion of Canada which was created of the two founding peoples, French and English. See Constitution Act 1867 ( formerly known as the BNA 1867)
  89. Coniuratio Ratio from Regina, Canada writes: 15 years of Minority government....so says Elections Canada.
  90. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: What is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of these polls is that no party is making any substantial headway and yet all are determined to stay the course.

    Apparently none of them can see that they are not appealing to the Canadian public, that their current ineptitude is unacceptable, that their continual game-playing is insufferable and that the problem is not 'the other guy'. This failure to accept the obvious says a lot about a bad lot. Failure to learn from one's own mistakes is sign of a psychological problem.

    The first party to put Canadian interests ahead of party interests, the first