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Terror goes digital. With Canadian help

OMAR EL AKKAD

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 5:32 PM EDT 18/08/07

In Nova Scotia, a web-domain registration service unintentionally helps these terror proponents hide their tracks ...Read the full article

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  1. Pat Gesner from Canada writes: So it is important for non muslims to point out that muslims are liers when they say their religion is hijacked by people like Bin Laden. Bin Laden is as much 'muslim as they are. That point should be continiously pointed out to muslims and non muslims. Its high time those muslims who claim Islam is hijacked, come up with a name that will seperate them from islamic terorist. 6 years after 9/11 and they wonder why there is 'racism' against them - well its because they call themselves with the same names as the bin ladens of the world. Muslims who accept Canadian citizenship must make it clear to other canadian citizens they will act on the implications of beloning to a society that considers the death penalty to be an act so unacceptable even 'justice' of society in general find it un acceptable. Also after the 'uncovered meat' iman of Australia declaring that women may only be safe from rape from muslim men if they are covered up and behave like pious muslim women means that every modestly dressed muslim woman in Canada will have to continiously apologize to Canadians that, no they are not dressed the way they are in hopes that their out of sexual control muslim brothers will rape non muslim canadian women. No they are not trying to sic their poorly brought up wild out of control tomcats of menfolk on canadian women.
  2. Mahatma Gandhi from Calgary, Canada writes: This is not just about Al Qaeda propaganda. Countries like China will certainly persecute anyone who dares to oppose the regime. Anonymity on the internet is a vital antidote to despotism.
  3. Frank Furter from Regina, Canada writes: I am more frightened by certain corrupt Canadian Politicians and by Canada's largely unregulated and poorly understood Capital markets than I am by the fictional Al-qaeda and so called 'angry muslims'.
  4. garlick toast from mill village, Canada writes: a new battlefield for the war on terror and where is our army?surely the folks who brought us'reefer madness'and'my son john',the anti-communist movie, are up for a new challenge.
  5. Eric of Windsor from Canada writes: Well our 'peaceful friends' of islam here in Windsor just plastered the hezbollah leaders face all over a huge billboard in the city supporting the maniacs in lebanon and said they would fight anyone who tries to take it down. This group is on Canadas terrorist group list. It was removed after three days because thats all they paid to have it up for. Lookout Canada and the rest of North America our own freedom of speech laws are being used to promote terrorists which is a round about way of saying yes to terrorism here. Remember islam and Hitler were partners and islamic leaders learned from the propaganda machine of the German SS in WW2. They are very well schooled in using the media to gain their goals.
  6. john chuckman from Canada writes: Who cares? This is silly, paranoid, goofy FBI stuff.

    Really, with all the crime and misery and war we have in today's world, the threat of terror remains a relatively small thing.

    And terrorists using the Internet is about as small a threat as you can measure.

    The fact is no terror that I am aware of comes anywhere near what America readily inflicts on others in the name of freedom.
  7. Johann der Kanuck from France writes: john chuckman from Canada writes: Who cares? This is silly, paranoid, goofy FBI stuff.<<<

    I agree and let us not forget a few 'hate-crime' prosecutions in Canada recently where the individual/group complaining were actually posters on those 'hate' MBs advocating, enticing, acting as 'agent provocateurs' in order to allegedly entrap the Website owners.

    And at government and taxpayers expense. Rebels with a cause = zealots = dangerous.
  8. Miguel Sanchez from Ottawa, Canada writes: >>Pat Gesner from Canada writes: So it is important for non muslims to point out that muslims are liers...

    AND
    >>Eric of Windsor from Canada writes: Well our 'peaceful friends' of islam here in Windsor...

    C'mon guys, you're scaring me. Have you never seen the varying degrees of zealotry in Christianity? Ex. the Christians who are willing to murder doctors who provide abortion services.

    There will always be zealots and fanatics in every faith group.

    Regarding this article, domain registrars have no idea what a domain will be used for when they sell them. Even if this unregulated industry come to an agreement on acceptable use and violations would see the dergsitration of the domain name, it would be impossible to uphold. Putting the onus on registrars to know how the domains they sell will eventually be used would require the ongoing monitoring of millions of websites, an impossible task. It doesn't make sense to give censorship power to an industry whose primary concern is profit - censorship is a slippery slope belonging in the domain of our legislators and enforcers.

    Miguel
  9. Mr Fijne from Calgary, Canada writes: So is this domain internet stuff closed? No. So nice free advertisement under the guise of 'investigative journalism'... What a comedy!
  10. Eric of Windsor from Canada writes: Miguel......don't be scared, open your eyes, do some research. This story only touches the tip of the iceberg so to say. When you look around the world at all the conflicts going on, the one common factor is 'Islam'. And it has arrived in Canada. I don't think you can compare the few abortion doctor murders I have heard of to the murder/beheading of 1000's of Christians these days in the name and protection of the Islamic Religion. You don't hear about these stories because main stream papers won't print them. I am talking about missionaries of any faith even average islamic people that decide they don't want to follow Islam anymore and because of that they are murdered by their own families. Only Islam Murders people for leaving Islam, no other religion does that. Rule by physical consequences is the Islamic way.
  11. Peter L. from Canada writes: Miguel Sanchez from Ottawa, Canada :Yet still in the west we hear the usual moans from the Terrorists suporters . There is fundamentalism in all religions, they say, and we should be careful not to judge. Well, next time I'm at the airport I'll make sure to look around for any Christian, Jewish or Buddhist fundamentalists who are obsessed with slaughtering me and my children.
    Just what Miguel or Mohamed to accomplish by denying these facts? It would appear that he hopes to convince us either that we should blissfully ignore the presence of such threats or that only an anti-Muslim bigot would have the audacity to point this out.
    Who does he think he's kidding...
  12. Peter L. from Canada writes: Corection:Just what Miguel or Mohamed to accomplish by denying these facts? It would appear that he hopes to convince us either that we should blissfully ignore the presence of such threats or that only an anti-Muslim bigot would have the audacity to point this out.
    Who does he think he's kidding...
  13. Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes: And there's a problem why, exactly? A terrorist's ability to distribute propaganda over the internet is dwarfed by the government's ability to do the same thing, along with the government's exclusive ability to use other forms of communication. Not to mention their exclusive ability to monitor what's going on. The government in Canada additionally, and properly, has the right and duty to bring the full weight of the law down on any individual or group who promotes hatred against a recognizable minority, or who incites violence.

    The only thing a government need be truly concerned about is if the terrorists actually have some persuasive points backing up their agenda.

    If the correct approach to limiting the effect of propaganda were to stop the distribution of propaganda, the Gutenberg Press should never have been invented. Nor the radio. Nor television. The inventor of the cell phone should've been executed before his invention got off the ground, his idea buried and the ground strewn with salt. IOW, the cat is long since out of the bag. The horses fled the barn. The train already left the station.

    The reality now is, information and ideas are freely exchanged. And unless I misread history's trend, we're not going back. Ideas will survive or wither on their merits, not because someone can limit access to them.
  14. F. K. from Canada writes: Following are excerpts from an interview with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajid, which aired on Iqra TV on July 26, 2007: Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid: This is a nation of monotheism, and this is the Islam that Allah wants to spread throughout the world, and to rule the land it its entirety. Allah wants this. He sent down the Koran and the hadith for that purpose. Humanity can have no happiness without Islam. Humanity can enjoy no goodness, unless the sun of monotheism, the Koran, and the Sunna shines upon it. The world without the sun of the divine revelation is a place of eternal darkness, as we can see today – a world of frustration, collapse, injustice, arbitrariness, and wrongdoing. The world today is a jungle – a world of barbarism of all kinds. People in many parts of the world are not happy, because they do not walk in the path of Allah. There are rules of shari'a in everything. We have counted almost 70 rules about how to urinate and defecate. In contrast, how do those beasts in the West answer the call of nature? They stand in front of other people, in toilets at airports and other public places. They do not care about covering their private parts. Even their underwear is colored and not white, so it can conceal all that filth. We are a nation that has long known the meaning of cleanliness, what to do when nature calls, and what the rules of hygiene are. The others, to this day, live like beasts... Hahahhah THIS BABOON is DISGUSTING!
  15. Johann der Kanuck from France writes: Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes: And there's a problem why, exactly? A terrorist's ability to distribute propaganda over the Internet is dwarfed by the government's ability to do the same thing, along with the government's exclusive ability to use other forms of communication.

    The reality now is, information and ideas are freely exchanged. And unless I misread history's trend, we're not going back. Ideas will survive or wither on their merits, not because someone can limit access to them. <<<

    Excellent post and if you read all the 'hacking' the Government of Canada/ the CIA and other 'Special Interest Groups' did in Wikipedia - freedom of information is alive and well.

    There are still some litigious lawyers attempting to use the CHRC as an attempt to block what they see are 'hate sites' to a point of even posting as haters themselves. There are some Luddites that cannot see the future for their own vision of it. At our expense as usual.
  16. Craig Cooper from writes: Private Registration is no big deal.

    The registrar, in this case Register.com, still has the registrant's information.

    If the Mounties or the FBI need it, they can get it.

    The info simply isn't available to the average schmo, jut like the info behind your car's licence plate isn't.
  17. Tim W. from Canada writes: They must be shut down, and to stop vomiting their sick and tweested ideology.
  18. bob crier from Toronto, Canada writes: Who the f... has time time to read this long article.
  19. Daniel Hallas from La Manzanilla, Mexico writes: The topic is

    Many of the comments miss the point. The real subject is (mis) information and anonymity.

    You can try to regulate the Internet, the ideas will be distributed on CD or email or any myriad of ways.

    The answer is education in understanding anger, choice and access to information. While reading the article I wanted to go to some of the Al Qaeda websites mentioned but could not find them. I am curious as to what they say and show. Part of what I am trying to say is that these websites should not be hidden but openly listed and responded to on a story by story, idea by idea, opinion by opinion basis.

    The Internet is growing and unfolding as we speak. Currently there are websites like truthorfiction.com which verify rumors. It would be far better to promote where other opinions can be found than to try and stop all of the misinformation. It will behoove us to join the process, to trust that the way people communicate and decide and respond will emerge triumphant in the open market place of ideas and expressions.

    Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes - 'Canada additionally, and properly, has the right and duty to bring the full weight of the law down on any individual or group who promotes hatred against a recognizable minority, or who incites violence'<<<<.

    And when the definition of 'promotes hatred' or 'incites violence' changes to mean you expressing your opinion it will be too late to take that power back from the government. It reminds me of the saying ' And then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up.'

    Richard continues - 'The only thing a government need be truly concerned about is if the terrorists actually have some persuasive points backing up their agenda......Ideas will survive or wither on their merits, not because someone can limit access to them.<<<<

    Right on.
  20. Tim W. from Canada writes: Richard continues - 'The only thing a government need be truly concerned about is if the terrorists actually have some persuasive points backing up their agenda......Ideas will survive or wither on their merits, not because someone can limit access to them.<<<< The agenda: 'The deliberate and determined expansion of militant Islam and its attempt to triumph not only in the Islamic world but in Europe and North America. Pure ideology. Muslim terrorists kill and slaughter not because of what they experience but because of what they believe.' &&&&& Muslims have absolutely NO proof to confirm ANY of the things they believe. Subsequently they have NO legitimate right whatever to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats (which they continue to do as they always have with their signatory murderous zeal). (Not that this would stop them--indeed it never has). Somebody might point out to one of these self-crowned mini-allahs known more correctly in Islamic jargon as 'imams' that for al-lah to get his way and rule the world in the way described in the Kuran, the world would first have to be turned into a vast graveyard of dead human beings as that is the ONLY way that he could rule the earth through the means spoken of in the Kuran. ******Few living human beings on earth have the slightest desire to permit Muslims to win their global jihad wars. Now I ask you-- Would al-lah really have ANY desire to rule a planet reduced to a vast graveyard of his own creations? If so, what would he get out of it? Bones??. .
  21. The Phantom from Canada writes:
    What Richard said.
  22. Tim W. from Canada writes: It is clear beyond any reasonable doubt that absolutely no one has ever peacefully co-existed with Islam throughout its 1400 year history except in a slave-master relationship. In the modern world, Islam is intolerant, murderous and ruthlessly oppresses Muslims and non-Muslims alike. The fact that seals this vengeful, cruel and violent mentality is the leavening of legitimacy that is given through religion, with quotations like 'Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.' (Repentance: 123). All this makes it a religious, moral and a holy duty to seek revenge, murder during seeking revenge, to exult when you murder an enemy, to dance over his dead body, to pull out his victuals from his corpse and proudly display it in public and to boast that now due to this 'holy' (sic) act, the victor would find place in heaven. Imagine that the way to heaven is through, murder, rape , arson, trickery, deception! No wonder we have such delinquent murders operating in London, Jerusalem, Madrid, Baghdad, Sharm-el-Shek, not to speak of New York and the Pentagon on 9/11. Can Islam be reformed? I often wonder whether Islam can ever be reformed the same way as Christianity came out of dark ages. I firmly believe that the chance of this happening is Nil. Because, the main necessity for any society to achieve reformation is the ability of the society for introspection. Now this is possible if the concerned society believes in Golden Rule and has conscience. These two are completely absent in case of Islam. In 1400 years of existence Islam never produce men of stature of Lincoln or Gandhi. Only Bin Laden and Zarqawi can be found. Only total annihilation of this Evil ideology is the solution.
  23. Cris Pizzuti from Canada writes: (F. K., from Canada) wrote: Following are excerpts from an interview with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajid, which aired on Iqra TV on July 26, 2007: Sheik Muhammad Al-Munajid: We have counted almost 70 rules about how to urinate and defecate. In contrast, how do those beasts in the West answer the call of nature? They stand in front of other people, in toilets at airports and other public places. They do not care about covering their private parts. Even their underwear is colored and not white, so it can conceal all that filth. We are a nation that has long known the meaning of cleanliness, what to do when nature calls, and what the rules of hygiene are. The others, to this day, live like beasts.........WE NEEDED MORE OF THIS, hahhahhahhahh 'Humanity can have no happiness without Islam.' Yeah, when I think of happiness, Islamic lands are the first places that come to my mind. In fact, we decided to make Saudi Arabia the destination of our next family vacation. The kids had at first suggested Disney World, but I told them that 'Happiest Place on Earth' nonsense was just a way to get their money. We want to experience true happiness -- the goodness, the happiness, the justice, the non-arbitrariness of Islam as practiced in that most Islamic of countries, Saudi Arabia. And besides, what better place to learn the 70 rules for urinating and deficating than where it all began?
  24. Mud Lark from Beautiful Downtown Mudville, Canada writes: Here's a little food for thought - two years ago the Ontario Liberal government came very close to allowing Sharia law in the province and the Conservatives have promised full funding for religious elementary schools, including Muslim, if they win the upcoming election.
  25. Red Ensign is our glory! Real Canadian pride! from Canada writes: thats the price we pay for liberty. the fact that some ppl will abuse those liberties. if we give that up, then the terrorists win. its just like gun registration, site registration will lead to confiscation and government approved only freedoms. we need to win againstthe taliban by both brute force -quit dinking around, and outright conquor and occupy their homelands- and ideologically. we have to show them that liberty and democracy is the best, workable societal system of government. if we give up our freedoms, we are doing nothing less than admitting defeat, and may as well join the taliban and have them tell us how we should live.
  26. Let me tell You How It Is-THE EXPERT from Seattle, Washington, United States writes: Thanks Canada!. Now with their Charter Rights and junk like that for these losers it will take about 15 years, millions and millions in lawyer fees if this goes to the Supreme Court in case they are prosecuted.
    At least our US law will be able to extinguish money transfers or transmission of this garbage outside Canada.
    Just don't know who's hiding behind a Canadian Passort these days.
  27. Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes: And they say Muslim terrorists are the one's we should be concerned about. lol
  28. LostInSpace Forever from Brampton, Canada writes: Mud Lark. I agree with you. The Conservative promise of funding for religious schools is the stupidest, most obviously vote - buying, future destruction-causing government policy I have ever heard proposed. While I normally am a knee-jerk conservative, this is one provincial election where I will be voting liberal without a doubt.

    What is John Tory thinking? Muslim religious schools seem to invariably become hotbeds of indocrination, and now your kind provincial government will pay for it, side by side with Saudi Arabia. Two peas in a pod. While the the of the school system packs 30 kids in a classroom with one treacher.

    STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID!

    If our politicians are that stupid on such basic issue, how can we expect them to be informed and make the right decisions on 'complicated things' like not letting terrorists use Canada as a home base.
  29. Angry West Coast Canuck from Canada writes: The author might want to join that British judge in getting a technical update (actually, the quote was taken out of context, and he didn't actually say that, but let's not let facts get in the way of a newspaper article). The domain registration is just that - a name that points to an internet address. An analogy is that the domain registration is just a name in a phone book. You can still get to the website by using the IP address directly. The author obviously isn't aware of that, because his whole article confuses the companies hosting the websites with the companies providing the domain registrations.

    The anonymity of domain registrations has zero role in determining whether a website can be shut down or not. That would be up to the hosting company, usually (but not always) a different organization from the domain registration company. The hosting company can be easily found for each domain, simply by looking at the IP address of the website.

    Register.com also provides domain hosting. But since the actual hosting of data is subject to the law of the country where the hosting is taking place, if the activity really is illegal, it's just as easy to shut down a Canadian website as anything else. So that's not the issue either, but it does mean that law enforcement has to follow this thing called 'due process', something I know they aren't always too keen on doing as they build towards a post 9/11 police state.

    Basically, the author tried to ground the article in a flawed understanding of how the internet works, and came out looking like a chump who is pushing for a police state. Well done, Globe and Mail.
  30. james cooper from VICTORIA, Canada writes: come on boys and girls, all religions are about conformity and control. I have a friend, a decent chap, intelligent and kind, who is now convinced that all organized religion is evil. I myself am a recovering catholic and I am with one hundred percent. We already live in paradise, it its religion and its inherently racism that keeps us from realizing it. That, and I am sad to say, 'humanity'.
  31. Daniel H from Mexico writes: I don't like to contribute to off topic post but for the sake of making a point let's say that what Tim W., Cris Pizzuti have said is true. How do we communicate that effectively to those we want to reach? Key word is effectively. Summarizing information into thought provoking statements works wonders. Understanding the state of mind of a target audience is also key. Finding ways to get the ideas to the target audience is crucial.

    Next who is the target audience? Those who's ideology we want to change or those who we want to join us in eliminating the unwanted ideology? Hopefully one would try the first before resorting to the second.

    Tim W. said - Would al-lah really have ANY desire to rule a planet reduced to a vast graveyard of his own creations? If so, what would he get out of it? Bones?

    Can't we summarize this line of thinking with 'Love does not condemn'. Any religion which espouses violence can not have heaven (eternity) as it's true base.

    Tim W. said - Only total annihilation of this Evil ideology is the solution.

    It actually may come to that and if it does I would most likely fight on the side of the annihilation to protect my right to choose.

    But first let's look into our own minds to be sure the source of our anger is coming from those who are trying to oppress us, and not from anyone who is different on any level. Otherwise the annihilation will continue until you and those who think EXCATLY like you are the only one(s) left. Hopeless and closed loops are not solutions.

    Understanding the problem clearly, be that our problem or theirs is essential. Otherwise we will abuse because we were abused, We will beat those who have been beaten, we will hate because we are hated, we will eliminate the choice of those who never knew there was something else to choose.
  32. b md from Halifax, Canada writes: What this author fails to note is that all registers of domain names have a service that 'hides' the identity of the domain owners, not just the Canadian registars. So this is not some 'Canadian' plot to destroy America! It is in fact a service most use to avoid the spam and telemarketers who 'troll' the lists of domain holders for phone numbers and e mail addresses. To stop this practice would gibve free rein to those who love to call us at supper hour with 'unbeatable offers', or who load our inboxes with spam. The author has done just enough research to confuse the matter, and give himself and 'Canadian' lead to his story.
  33. Don H. from Canada writes: Daniel H from Mexico writes:Understanding the problem clearly, be that our problem or theirs is essential. Otherwise we will abuse because we were abused, We will beat those who have been beaten, we will hate because we are hated, we will eliminate the choice of those who never knew there was something else to choose. ......In the free West they have every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once they are done complaining, whining, and griping about Western Flags, Western Pledges, Western Catoloics, Budhists or Christian beliefs, or the Western Way of Life, when they earned not demanded respect, then will have a Peace.. Islam is brutal and opresive, not a joy, not a love, not a tolerance. For Islam - Sharia Law mean a Peace. The Shariat asks for an accused to be stoned to death, limbs being cut off, beheaded, and many other punishments that would put the medieval barbarism of the Inquisition into the shade. Thhey live in freedom, but want to impose the Sharia Law, aca. Britain, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Australia. There are two denials working in tandem at least since Sept. 11, 2001, that undermine liberal-democracies and their efforts to eliminate the scourge of Islamist brigandage from our world. One denial is the Muslim majority refusing to denounce without equivocation the Islamist thugs from Osama bin Laden down to the street-corner spokesman for al Qaida, or similar organizations -- and their apologists from Sheikh al Qaradawi featured on the Arab television al Jazeerah down to the prayer leader in the local mosque -- for being 'warmongers of darkness' at war with the modern civilization and Islam. The fear of being labelled an 'apostate' by other Muslims, or Muslim authority, cripples the Muslim mind to silence and inaction when confronted with what is undeniably wrong gets espoused in the name of Islam.
  34. Don H. from Canada writes: The other denial is the liberal 'white man' refusing to speak clearly about the wrongs of the other -- the 'non-white' -- and, especially, when such wrongs as Islamist terrorism places in peril everyone without any distinction of ethnicity, gender and belief.

    The 'white man's' denial these days is framed as being politically correct, and the aversion of being incorrect comes from the fear to get labelled with the 'b' or 'r'-words as a 'bigot' or 'racist.'
    The vast majority of Muslims who are not Islamists and fear the Islamist agenda, in remaining silent or in being irresolute in publicly opposing the Islamists, has done little in restoring the trust between themselves and non-Muslims that has been so severely undermined.

    Muslims today and in the years to come will have none to blame but themselves for failing to do what is right in unconditionally and publicly repudiating Islamists, and repairing the trust by which our world functions.

    It is so far the decency of people in the West that they have not drawn a wall Islamists are hard at work in erecting to separate themselves from Muslims as untrustworthy. If this occurs Muslims will be greatly responsible for their own misfortune.
  35. The Phantom from Canada writes: Boy this thread sure brought out the racists.
  36. Tim Bee from Canada writes: Eric of Windsor from Canada writes: Well our 'peaceful friends' of islam here in Windsor just plastered the hezbollah leaders face all over a huge billboard in the city supporting the maniacs in lebanon and said they would fight anyone who tries to take it down. This group is on Canadas terrorist group list...

    Yes they are on the Canadian list because Jewish group lied. They made up false quotes which made it seem like Hezbollah had said things that they didin't. This is the only reason they were put on the list.
  37. Richard Roskell from Naramata, Canada writes: It's just one bigot, Phantom. He posts under a wide variety of real- and anonymous-sounding names, conducts conversations with himself under different aliases, posts under a different alias praising his previous racist comments, uses several aliases to attack those who oppose him to make it seem like many people share his views.... and on and on. It's also possible that he's mentally unstable, because he falls apart and becomes incoherent when you call him on his behavior. Not that I recommend you do that; Ivan is a sad case and I've come to pity him.
  38. G G from BC, Canada writes:
    When these paranoid groups and institutions start talking about Terrorism hate - bigots, Hamas, - Osama, judging religions, stirring up fear, etc etc etc, in our so called free press - yu gotta read between the lines! The far right wingers in the goood ol excited States and Israel have stirred up a hornets nest in the Middle East and Iraq, Bushism has created more terrorism with force and invasion, than has ever before existed on this planet. Now they stand back with this innocent look, point fingers and call names. What next? - well lets build a wall around us ........
  39. Jo Ingblat from Canada writes: The scariest thing about Islam today, is how it seems to bring out the craziest xenophoebia in average-Joe Canadians. You guys sound like anti-semites in pre-wwII days, as if all Muslims were part of a world-wide conspiracy working to infiltrate your nieghbourhoods and kill and rape Western women, and destroy Christianity. Get a grip on yourselves, guys. You're letting Fox news turn you into hysterical loonies. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem--let's deal with it. But no, Islam is not a threat to Canada, muslims aren't a threat to Canada, and what happens in Saudi Arabia is not happening here in Canada--not even close, SO CHILL OUT, you wackos!!! If people want to put posters of Hezbollah, they have the right to do so within the framework of our democratic system. If our government should choose to outlaw images of Hazbollah on billboards, then so be it. But all 99.9% of muslims in Canada are doing is going about their business peacefully and happily, and that's perfectly fine BECAUSE THIS IS CANADA! You might not like the fact that some Muslims are going to the mosque everyday, or some women wear hijab, but they/we're free here, and proudly so. SO CHILL OUT you nutcases. You really sound so hysterical, that some of your comments are way more frigtening to me than anything I've seen happening in Iraq or Afghanistan today--that may seem callous, but I'm more invested in Canada, and I hate to see this great country get hijacked by mobs of radical xenophoebes like the clowns on this board. Good night, nutjobs!
  40. David Smith from Toronto, Canada writes: I don't get the supposed 'Canada' connection... I register domains with an American service -- godaddy.com, that provides the exact same 'anonymity' (for an added fee). I pay for it because I don't want my name, address and phone number out there for any telemarketer, spammer or kook get a hold of just by doing a 'whois' search. Actually all that info is posted on my sites, but you have to dig around for them, something you are unlikely to do unless you have some legitimate interest in my non-commercial web sites.

    Let me repeat -- the same service can be had from a U.S.-based company -- in the heart of one of your more paranoid police states.

    My point is, the domain registration service being based in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia is completely irrelevant, and that so-called 'terror connection' is being drawn by a lazy, uninformed or malicious reporter, perhaps with a political agenda, to sensationalize an otherwise boring story that nobody would bother to print or read.

    Is the Globe and Mail being taken over by islamophobia? Now there's a story....
  41. J J from Ottawa, Canada writes: Religions....shhheeesh. Can't live with them........pass the beer nuts.
  42. garlick toast from mill village, Canada writes: if you like 'beer nuts''try 'deer nuts'.they're almost the same,but they're under a buck.
  43. Paul I. from Canada writes: Religion is nor arace. To be called somebody racist is IRELEVENT. It's a time long due the Muslims comunity to clean their backyard.
  44. Loty M. from Canada writes: Today there is another terror war being fought, but this time the enemy is far more grotesque and will use airlines, subways, buses, schools, hospitals and any other place where it can slaughter innocent people.

    Here is where we get to the meat of the issue. That enemy is Islamic. Not because we say it is, but because they say it is.

    When yet another mass murder takes place and the killer leaves us a video speaking of Allah, Mohammad and the need for Islam to conquer the world, it is difficult not to assume that he is a Muslim.

    Only an extremist would construe from this that all Muslims are terrorists. But only a fool would construe from this that there is not a massive connection between Islamic fundamentalism and international terrorism.
  45. Patricia Monica from Canada writes: I agree with the readers that pointed the author's absolute ignorance about the Internet procedures and website registrations

    When you register a website name, you can do the registration information public or private. This is valid for all the IP providers, web agencies, etc. Not only the one mentioned in the article (actually it sounds like advertisement).

    Actually, you can register your domain with XXXX.com and pay a fee to other companies (some of them located in California, by the way) to hide the information
    This is 100% legal and useful, not only to avoid spam. Perhaps the author of the article didn't hear about identity thieve? Just FYI, hide the domain information is one of recommendations to avoid scam, phishing, identity thieve, etc
    For the author's information: The private register hides the information, not the person. In this Country, this is called the right to privacy
  46. mike sty from Canada writes: Al-Qaeda's spin doctor................helps these terror proponents hide their tracks.
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    Is this who trained Harper and Canada's New Minority how to 'spin doctor and then hide their tracts'?
  47. Michele K from Ottawa, Canada writes: I've disagreed with Globe commentators before, which is to be expected; and I've agreed with posters who've questioned the newsworthiness of many Globe articles as well, but this one marks a new low for me. The writer is either internet illiterate, and shouldn't have been published, or worse, is engaged in fear-mongering propaganda (probably both!).

    I expect a much higher standard of journalism from the Globe - this article is just garbage. What's going on over there?
  48. Loty M. from Canada writes: Michele K from Ottawa, Canada writes: I've disagreed with Globe commentators before, which is to be expected; and I've agreed with posters who've questioned the newsworthiness of many Globe articles as well, but this one marks a new low for me. The writer is either internet illiterate, and shouldn't have been published, or worse, is engaged in fear-mongering propaganda (probably both!).
    >>>> But you are engaged in ptacticing TAQIYA -------- Islamic deception to deceive us! And the news headlines every day are enough for any sensible person to see what Islam is all about.
  49. mike dexter from El Cajon, United States Outlying writes: Who cares about these games. There are a million games where Americans kill Muslims. This is being very hypocritical to say they can't make them while it is something we do so widespread and without thinking... Why can we make a game to kill them but then they can't make a game to kill us back? Who started this trend? We should blame no one but ourselves for creating this. Isn't there a belief and right for justice and equality for all people in western society? Yes, and there is in Muslim society as well. Rather than spread hate and misconceptions, spreading such ideas is better of where the two societies overlap. You will find there is very little difference. There are 1.2 billion Muslims, do you think they are all like Bin Laden? The American army should make a game on how they and the CIA trained him and the other Mujahidin in the fight against the USSR. Back then Bin Ladin was America's homeboy... and they sure been using him to get THEIR propaganda across. How do I know he still isn't their homeboy? I don't trust anything I see on TV, you should not either. In my opinion Muslim's fight for their religion is very noble and worthy of fighting for. If you are going to fight for anything it should be for something you strongly believe in. What do we fight for? Our economy? Spread democracy? If it was so great why do we have to force it on others? If you say ok we are fighting for our economy or we are fighting to spread christianity I'd accept it, but lieing and continueing the current method of this war only ads to our long history of dishonor. Does anyone have a link to this game...
  50. Nick McLean from Halifax, writes: The real challenge for all who truly believe in freedom is to stand up to the real threat of religous fundamentalism, which expresses itself most ominously today in militant Islam, while not resorting to the techniques of the opressed countries in the Middle East and elsewhere. I have worked overseas in Asia, Africa and the Middle East and I must say the Middle East felt like living in a prison. All the things I like about freedom of expression, religion etc.. are taboo. Punishment, espescially in Saudi Arabia and Iran, is brutal for those who in the slightest way question the orthodoxy. We do need to combat the pervasive spread of hate over the internet. Censorship is not terribly effective and I do not believe anyone in the article supported this approach. The alternative is to show the true damage of oppression and terrorism over the internet, unedited. This is perhaps the best way to combat intolerance. Ideas should be challenged by other ideas not censorship. My fear is that the challenge will be tinged with xenophobia as occasionally expressed in this thread. If that is the case we can not hope to reach anyone. People can do what they like in Canada, and I, among most others, could care less what they wear or what religion they practise. But I will call a spade a spade and the pervasive spread of militant Islam (often with the support of our 'allies' in the Middle East) is a threat all over the world (espescially Africa). It poses a more serious threat than the religious fundamentalists of America to our society.
  51. Loty M. from Canada writes: mike dexter from El Cajon, United States Outlying or Mohamed: In observing the behavior of Muslims today, do you find that many of them 'want peace'?? Do they truly deplore terrorism? Do they deplore in sincere and heartfelt fashion, or in some other way, the behavior of other Muslims when they persecute or kill non-Muslims in the countries they control? Tell me all about the Muslim opposition to the behavior of the Muslim Arabs in Sudan? Or to the treatment of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh? What Muslims have expressed soorrow at the expulsion of 400,000 Kashmiri pandits? What meeting of the Organization of Islamic States has expressed the need to cease the persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim lands, and even, possibly, to accord them full legal equality? And what Muslim group has deplored the incessant demands made for changes in the legal and political institutions of the Infidel lands among which Muslims have been allowed to settle? Can you think of a single Muslim group that has publicly deplored the threats made against the people and government of Britain, Denmark, Sweden not least by Muslims living in West? What Muslim group has ever denounced other Muslims for behavior that is clearly contrary to the laws and customs of the peoples and polities of Western World? Any? Ever? What Muslim group has expressed its full support for the security measures -- modest measures -- undertaken so far, and denounced all those other Muslim groups that are trying at every step to tie the security services of the Western world in knots, and to make their task more difficult at every step? And what about the long history of Muslim conquest of non-Muslim peoples and lands, and the subsequent subjugation of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, and others? Can we see a great variety of treatments meted out to these non-Muslims, or is the treatment remarkably similar, whatever time and wherever the space?
  52. Jo Ingblat from Canada writes: Loty M. from Canada says 'Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah' Well said, Loty!
  53. C C from Canada writes: Terrorists = bogiemen. It's a crock folks. The forces of western society have killed and maimed perhaps a million people since 9/11. The terrorists are US. Pun intended.
  54. alberta transplant from Canada writes: ....J J from Ottawa, Canada writes: Religions....shhheeesh. Can't live with them........pass the beer nuts. ....
    Excellent Cheers reference.
    To the guy who remains convinced that Islam is the common denominator in all world conflicts, I'd say Islam is just one of the ideologies that animate the world's conflicts, and keeps company with other religious fundamentalism, ethnic strife, imperialism, energy security, blind patriotism, etc. There's a lot of blame to go around.
    As for the article itself, it's a 'big story' dreamed up in the newspaper's editor's meeting with a cheap Canadian-angle tack-on like they teach you in journalism school. It mentions civil liberties, but does it quote even one person who would defend them? Cheap theatre unworthy of a so-called national newspaper.
  55. Jennifer Rollison from Canada writes: I am surprised by all those who think these web sites are no real threat to us. And the the blogger who said the article is too long to read. Pull your heads out of the sand and realise what is going on.

    This is not really a new story but one that must be told again and again. Islam is gaining a foothold into our societies by tools we have given them. Al quaeda would still be a regional problem in Afghanistan without the internet. How can you be so blind as to not see this. I find it immensly frustrating to read the nay sayers and those who blame the west for the terror islam is perpetrating in the world now. If I believed in god I would ask it to open your eyes to the gargantuan elephant sitting in your own living room. islam is evil. I am not saying muslims are but the radical forms taken by some bin laden et al are evil personified...wake up...
  56. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: Frank Furter from Regina, Canada writes: I am more frightened by certain corrupt Canadian Politicians and by Canada's largely unregulated and poorly understood Capital markets than I am by the fictional Al-qaeda and so called 'angry muslims'.
    >>>This can be called bliss of ignorance. And don't be so scared of the NDP and Liberal leaders.
  57. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: Paul I. from Canada writes: Religion is nor a race. To be called somebody racist is IRELEVENT. It's a time long due the Muslims comunity to clean their backyard.
    >>Or to find another place for their backyard. Say in countries where Islam set the rules. There are many countries like that. Oh I am sorry they don't let the Muslims to have clean and large backyards. The whole Muslim world is just one big dump.
  58. D. P. from Canada writes: 8/17/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 1 Islamic militias rocket a house, killing a woman. 8/17/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 2 Three young children under the age of 10 are slaughtered along with their father by a Fedayeen suicide bomber. 8/17/07 Iraq Haditha 3 0 Three people are kidnapped, tortured and shot to death by sectarian rivals. 8/17/07 India Pulwama 5 3 Mujahideen use an IED to kill five Indian soldiers traveling along a road. 8/17/07 India Baramulla 2 0 A policeman and his elderly father are brutally murdered inside their hom by Islamic militants. 8/17/07 India Rajouri 1 0 A civilian is kidnapped and killed in captivity by radical Muslims. 8/17/07 Pakistan Khyber 7 0 Seven people are killed in clashes between radical Islamist groups. 8/17/07 Iraq Kirkuk 3 42 Two separate bombings by Sunni radicals kill three civilians and injure over forty. 8/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 10 20 Ten Iraqis are blown apart when Islamic terrorists detonate a car bomb on a public square. 8/16/07 Pakistan Spinwara 2 4 Two soldiers are killed in an al-Qaeda IED attack. 8/16/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 3 Two Somalis are killed in a mine attack by Islamic militias. 8/16/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 0 Islamic gunmen shoot two civilians to death at a market. 8/16/07 Iraq Baghdad 19 0 Nineteen victims of sectarian Jihadis are discovered by police. 8/16/07 Pakistan Bajaur 2 2 A tribal elder and his guard are killed in a bombing by Islamists. 8/15/07 Iraq Hilla 5 12 A suicide bomber kills five people inside a judge's home. 8/15/07 Chechnya Grozny 1 0 A policeman is killed in a drive-by attack from militant Muslims.
  59. D. P. from Canada writes: 8/15/07 Somalia Mogadishu 6 1 Islamists kill six Somalis in two separate attacks. 8/15/07 Somalia Afgoye 2 12 Militant Muslims throw a grenade into a market, killing two people. 8/15/07 Afghanistan Kabul 3 1 Religious extremists kill three German police officers with a roadside bomb. 8/15/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 4 Jihad attacks leave twenty-two Iraqis dead. 8/15/07 Iraq Kirkuk 5 30 Islamic terrorists car bomb a marketplace, killing five people. 8/15/07 Chechnya Avturi 1 0 A government official is killed when the Mujahideen attack his vehicle with grenades. 8/15/07 Paksitan Swabi 2 0 A teacher and student are killed when Islamists bomb a house. 8/14/07 Pakistan Jandola 1 0 Islamic radicals kidnap and behead a Pakistani soldier. 8/14/07 Afghanistan Zhari 7 0 Six Aafghan civilians and their guard are killed in an al-Qaeda rocket attack on their minibus. 8/14/07 Iraq Khalis 15 0 Fifteen Iraqi men are kidnapped and murdered by Islamic extremists. 8/14/07 Iraq Ghraiya 4 0 Jihadis kill three women and a man, who are sleeping on the roof of their home. 8/14/07 Iraq Suwayra 3 0 Sunni extremists invade the home of a policeman and shoot his pregnant wife, son and brother to death 8/14/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 2 A 26-year-old man is shot to death by Muslim militants. 8/14/07 Thailand Yala 1 0 Muslim radicals stab a 56-year-old man to death at his rubber plantation. 8/14/07 Iraq Sinjar 500 375 Five separate suicide bombings by al-Qaeda militants targeted at a religious minority group kill five hundred innocents. 8/13/07 Lebanon Nahr al-Bared 1 0 A Fatah al-Islam sniper murders a Lebanese soldier. 8/13/07 India Bandipore 4 11 Four civilians are killed when Mujahideen militants hurl a grenade into a crowded street. 8/13/07 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 38-year-old trader is murdered by Islamic gunmen.
  60. D. P. from Canada writes: 8/13/07 Somalia Mogadishu 3 12 Three civilians are killed when Islamic militants bomb a passenger bus.
    8/13/07 Iraq Khanaqin 5 4 Radical Shiites kill five policemen with a bomb.
    8/13/07 Iraq Samarrah 3 0 Three civilians are shot and killed by Islamic terrorists.
    8/13/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 2 A young boy is killed when Islamic militias assault a police station.
    8/13/07 Pakistan Swat 4 6 Four people are killed when Islamic terrorists detonate a roadside bomb against a passing vehicle.
    8/13/07 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 5 3 Religioius extremists kill five Afghan police with a roadside bomb.
    8/13/07 Russia Novgorod 0 60 A militant Islamic group derails a commuter train with a bomb, injuring sixty people.
    And this is only for 5 DAYS, THE RELIGION OF PEACE IS VERY BUSY................
  61. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: Tim Bee from Canada writes:
    Yes they are on the Canadian list because Jewish group lied. They made up false quotes which made it seem like Hezbollah had said things that they didin't. This is the only reason they were put on the list.
    >>>Nope Hezbollah terrorists are on the Canadian list because they are terrorists that killed innocent civilians of different religions. And the reason you support them because you hope they can do something you dream to do but don't dare. Which is killing of Jews.
  62. alberta transplant from Canada writes: And do I have this correct?: Islamic fundamentalists Internet = Danger to western society. Therefore, take the internet out of the equation and there's no more danger?
    Let me try one: American Imperialism Christian fundamentalism/Zionism Military/Industrial Complex = Dead Iraqi women and children.
    Can I look forward to next week's Globe and Mail with a two-page spread about the corrosive effects of TV evangelism, pro-Isreal Hollywood propaganda, and Canadian manufacturers who supply parts, technology and brains to U.S. weapons-makers?
    William Kristol represents a far greater risk to our way of life than any cave-dwelling Muslim.
  63. D. P. from Canada writes: C C from Canada: DO YOU LIKE MORE, FRANK YOU TO ?????
  64. alberta transplant from Canada writes: D.P., you're quoting ones of deaths. Big deal. What of the tens of thousands of blameless victims of American bombs? You might not read about dead Iraqi women and children in your propaganda rags, but they're dead just the same.
  65. D. P. from Canada writes: alberta transplant from Canada writes: American Imperialism Christian fundamentalism/Zionism Military/Industrial Complex = Dead Iraqi women and children. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. America been protecting the Shia from Saddam for twelve-plus years of monitoring the no-fly zones.. A lot of good it did. Why weren't they able to follow the same course as the Kurds? It took years, but the Kurds took advantage of the US presence to build a more peaceful society, not based on competing clans. We finally got rid of Saddam and what did Shiites do with the opportunity that was presented to them? They SPAT on it, and on all coaltion members who fought and died for them. At what point do we say: we tried to give you an opportunity to build a peaceful society. You weren't interested. We're going home now and we won't be coming back. There may be a significant minority of Iraqis who want a peaceful democracy, but they're the ones who will have to decide whether that is a future worth fighting for. Al-Maliki is not willing to go against Moqtada al-Sadr because he needs his support to stay in office. That doesn't qualify him as a supporter of democracy, in my book anyway. ****We stay there in support of a minority and we'll hear the same tired refrain we've heard for the last fifty years: we support governments that don't represent the majority of the people. When the Shiite regime becomes violent, as it is bound to do, we'll hear that we support dictators. The Iraqi people are grownups. They need to make their own choices. Choices have consequences. They need to accept those consequences. It's time we stopped accepting the blame for their failures. ***** How is it that most Islamic societies never evolved beyond tribalism? The 're-primitivization' of the world began with the spread of Islam, over thirteen hundred years ago. It did away with the medieval societies that were on their way to modernity and replaced them with primitive clans.
  66. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: alberta transplant from Canada writes: William Kristol represents a far greater risk to our way of life than any cave-dwelling Muslim.
    >>>What exactly a risk Bill Kristol poses to you? And Muslims that organized the sleeper cell in Toronto did not live in caves. Maybe they had lived in caves before they moved from the Muslim countries to Canada. But in Canada they don't live in caves. They just want to impose here the same rules that caused them to live in caves oppressed by the Muslim monkey dictators in the first place.
  67. D. P. from Canada writes: **The Real 2006
    ***'Iraq Body Count'

    ***16,791
    ***Iraqi civilians killed last year by ISLAMIC Terrorists

    225*
    ***Iraqi civilians killed collaterally in incidents involving Americans
    (and Islamic Terrorists)

    ****Iraqis aren't dying from war.
    ***    They are being murdered by Islamic terrorists
  68. mu mu from Toronto, Canada writes: If the govenment needs access to the records they have the right to go get it. Get the hell away from my privacy. Period!
  69. Peter Cromerovich from Erehwon, Canada writes: This article is being coddled with Globe editor revisionism as all the posts explaining the technical absurdity of this article have been deleted. Name registration (Domain name) simply associates a unique name with a uniquely numbered physical address. That's it. So instead of having to typing in and remember http://192.168.1.1 you can type a more meaningful http://www.terror.com or http://www.knitting.com. Removing the name doesn't remove the underlying physical address. Shut down either and it will just pop up somewhere else. Here's an example: The land on which a house is built typically has a number called a deed or title number. Think of this as the physical address. Along comes the domain name registration company and allows a unique address '23 King Street, Ottawa' to associate with the title number. Remove that association and the house still exists. Nothing has changed; it is just a little more difficult to find and on the net even the house can jump to another city or country in the blink of an eye. The internet is a global entity and where the domain registration company is geographically located is quite meaningless. The author, judges, police, journalists etc. just don't understand this but with all the technical expertise now available there really is no valid excuse for still being in the dark. Wake up and smell the coffee; the real world is leaving you far behind.
  70. Bergeil DeBungie from Victoria, Canada writes: Terror goes digital, hahaha, and Ernest Goes To Summercamp.
  71. Elsa Van Hulst from Ottawa, Canada writes: Responding to... Tim W. from Canada writes: In 1400 years of existence Islam never produce men of stature of Lincoln or Gandhi. Only Bin Laden and Zarqawi can be found. Only total annihilation of this Evil ideology is the solution.

    Hafez and Rumi are two men of stature issued of islamic tradition. There are many others. And women too. People long gone and people alive today. Why you look around a little bit before making statements such as these?
  72. Jennifer Rollison from Canada writes: Tim Bee, you are a racist. Jewish people are not strapping bombs onto their bodies and walking into markets full of other Jewish people and blowing up people of their own religion because said people don't believe as fervently. You cannot say the same of islamist, nor for that matter, can you blame the Americans for it. In fact, Israel helps Palestine financially, they even administer taxes collected in Palestine for the Palestinians. Leave the Jews alone...they are far from the mind-addled, crazed islamist you are protecting with your ignorant speech...
  73. The Phantom from Canada writes:
    Jennifer Rollison it is you who is a racist.
  74. Jennifer Rollison from Canada writes: Phantom, explain that...
  75. Jo Ingblat from Canada writes: The scariest thing about Islam today, is how it seems to bring out the craziest xenophoebia in average-Joe Canadians. You guys sound like anti-semites in pre-wwII days, as if all Muslims were part of a world-wide conspiracy working to infiltrate your nieghbourhoods and kill and rape Western women, and destroy Christianity. Get a grip on yourselves, guys. You're letting Fox news turn you into hysterical loonies. Yes, Islamic terrorism is a problem--let's deal with it. But no, Islam is not a threat to Canada, muslims aren't a threat to Canada, and what happens in Saudi Arabia is not happening here in Canada--not even close, SO CHILL OUT, you wackos!!! If people want to put posters of Hezbollah, they have the right to do so within the framework of our democratic system. If our government should choose to outlaw images of Hazbollah on billboards, then so be it. B