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Some things, v1.19:
Anytime Nash is town there is a lot of things, but on this occassion I'm going to go with one big thing: my take on the Nash patriot/traitor debate, such as it is. I kind of got rambling, so you might want to get a coffee first, or something.
Gretzky did it. Lemieux did it. Yzerman too.
They played for Team Canada at stages of their careers when some time off or some more time on the trainer's table might have served them and their organizations well.
But they suited up, skated out and will always be able to hold their heads high among those who think national colours are the most important uniform an athlete can wear.
Yesterday, in places where the debate is always waiting to rear its head, Steve Nash was getting the business, on the Internet on sports radio. Even here at From Deep, judging from some of the comments the last few days.
‘Why didn’t Canada’s basketball ambassador play last summer with a chance to earn a spot in the Olympics on the line?’ ‘Why won’t he play this summer when Leo Rautins's men’s team plays in a last-chance qualifying tournament for a spot in Beijing?’
Not that Nash noticed. Having played Tuesday night in Indianapolis with the Phoenix Suns, Nash got to Toronto late and got to sleep even later, as is his habit after games, his metabolism all revved up from another all-out assault on basketball physics.
Talk? He’d rather nap, which he does most afternoons on the road the day after finding new and creative ways to thread the ball to running mate Amare Stoudemire for some more high-wire acrobatics.
Should Nash play for Canada? Is he a bad person because he’s not? Is he good because he did?
I’m probably not a great person to make much of a judgment on this issue, such as it is. I love sports. I love the Olympics. But I’m not a big flag waver. There are lots of reasons to be a proud Canadian, but it’s always struck me a bit odd that a bunch of people who’ve never been in a boat without a motor can get all excited when rowers who have been grinding their bodies to dust before dawn for years – often in spite of tax payer support, rather than because of it – win silver at the Olympics. Or get similarly get all bent out of shape because they ‘lost’ gold.
How that makes you more or less proud to be Canadian, I’m not sure. When I hear or write those kinds of stories – about underappreciated athletes putting everything on the line only a few times in their career - it makes me more proud to be human, not Canadian.
But clearly there is large contingent of people who feel strongly about Nash’s decision not to play for Canada. There are roughly two camps: the first are those who look at the 10 or so summers he did play and figure he’s earned the right to say no. The second, and smaller group, figure he’s shirking his duty to his country and the sport in this country and he should be there, end of story, often citing the examples of Gretzky, Yzerman and Lemieux doing just that on the hockey side, late in their careers, possibly to their detriment.
I’ll tackle the second one first. I believe Nash when he says he’d like to play for Canada again, but that he can’t physically. He often says he wishes the year was 15 months long so he could do it all – play the 110 games or so he does for the Suns, give six weeks or so to the national team and still have three months or so to rest and prepare for the long grind ahead.
The difference between the situation Nash and the hockey greybeards found themselves in was that the hockey events – certainly the Olympics – took place in the course of the regular season. They didn’t have to make a choice between their holiday and playing for their country.
The Canada Cups took place, if I recall correctly, just before training camp, at a time when their training would be ramped up anyway. Doubtless playing with the best in the world was a good way to prepare for the regular season. As well, the Canada Cups were a profit centre for the NHLPA, if I’m not mistaken, so there was some motivation there.
The world championships are also timed to take place essentially during the season, or at least at a time when most guys wish they were playing. Many times the rationalization for a lot of players who make the trip is to scrub off the disappointment of not making the playoffs. And typically the guys that do go are younger players who might not ordinarily get the chance to play for Canada.
On the basketball side things are a little trickier. The events are generally smack in the middle or the end-middle of the NBA off-season. There is no way to cut it: for someone like Nash, playing for Canada is absolutely at the expense of time he would otherwise be spending with family, recovering from the season or ramping up for the next. This is why USA Basketball has had a floating roster of 30 or so possible players during their build-up to Beijing. Even though they asked for a three-year commitment from the Kobe’s and the LeBron’s, they knew that life, babies, surgeries, etc., simply get in the way.
Nash is in the same boat, but he’s a roster of one.
The other factor is that the international basketball calendar never stops. In 2007 teams were playing in the Olympic qualifying tournament. In 2008 it’s the Olympics. In 2009 it will be qualifying for the world championships, arguably more prestigious in basketball circles than the Olympics and in 2010 it’s the world championships themselves.
Guess what rolls around in 2011? That’s right. Olympic qualifying.
I’m not suggesting our Canadian hockey heroes don’t deserve credit for playing at the Olympics or at the Canada Cup or whatever. But how willing would they be to play in the Olympics if it they were in July or August? And what if playing in the Olympics one summer meant qualifying for them the summer before? And what if, instead of the Canada Cup, the big deal was the world championship? And what if that was in July or August? And what if that meant you had to qualify the summer before?
Would Gretzky have played every summer? Right into his mid-30s? We’ll never know if he would or if he wouldn’t. The key point is that he was never asked to do it.
This brings me to the other side of the equation. How much credit does Nash deserve because he did play for Canada for so long?
He definitely deserves some, but the Saint Steve movement out there, which inevitably includes references to his selfless commitment to playing basketball for Canada, like he was going to Afghanistan or something, could use some deflating. Chances are Nash would be among the first to take some air out of that balloon.
The reality is when Nash started playing for Canada he was, in basketball terms, an attention-starved kid desperate to gain some tangible affirmation that he was an elite player with a future in the professional game. It helped that he grew up in Victoria and around the influence of former national team coach Ken Shields and stalwarts like Eli Pasquale, but early on Nash got as much or more out of playing for Canada as was the reverse. It was a mutually beneficial relationship.
Later, when Nash was in the NBA, the national team offered even more. While he was getting overlooked in Phoenix and booed in Dallas, he would come back to Canada in the summers and be reminded what it was like to be a key cog again and what it was like to have success on the basketball court again. An added bonus was that he was playing with peers; friends he’d made as a kid in the program or playing at the Canada Games or whatever. Instead of playing in the all-business atmosphere that the NBA often is – especially on struggling teams – he was in an environment with guys that shared his history and his values. It wasn’t a chore or a duty, it was a vacation. Literally there was nowhere that a 20-something Nash would rather be.
That experience peaked at the Sydney Olympics in 2000 in a bittersweet tournament where Nash led Canada to a 7-2 record – second-best overall – but fell just short of a medal. At the time it was an impressive feat. With seven years of hindsight and a deeper understanding of the depth and quality of international basketball, it was a stunning achievement.
And that was pretty much it for Nash as an international player. There was the last-hurrah attempt to qualify for the 2004 Olympics in the summer of 2003 which came up just short and then a decision to step away from the national team program that has grown firmer every year since. And while there’s the drama of the firing of his friend and former coach Jay Triano to give the whole thing a layer of intrigue, it’s kind of a red herring. Nash was done as a national team player before Triano ever got fired; that just made it easier to say ‘no’ in the early going.
But the national team commitment he made then serves him well now. Even as his NBA star has ascended into the stratosphere the fact that he did play for Canada has made Nash the equivalent of being from every Canadian basketball fan’s – and most sports fan’s – hometown. We knew him when.
The reality is he got as much out of playing for Canada as he put in. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have played then either. Humans – at least rational ones – are funny that way.
So where does it leave us? Is Nash forever an athletic patriot for having played before? Is he somehow betraying someone or something by saying ‘no’ now?
I’d say neither. He did what he did then because he wanted to, and it served him well for a range of reasons. And he’s doing what he does now because he wants to, and it serves him for a range of reasons.
But there is one statistic worth mentioning that might tip the balance for those somehow aggrieved at the fact he’s no longer spending his summers ‘serving’ his country. Or at least conflicted about it.
In his first five NBA seasons, when Nash was still a regular with the national team program, he missed an average of 20 games a year due to injury. In his next five NBA seasons, when he played only one summer of international basketball, he’s missed just 20 games total.
A player who Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban wouldn’t re-sign in part because he was concerned about Nash’s durability has become a virtual ironman while at the same time playing the very best basketball of his career and earning wide recognition as one of the best point guards of all time
Last night Nash rolled into the Air Canada Centre just two months shy of his 34th birthday and playing on the second night of a back-to-back and ran rings around the Raptors, effortlessly (or so he made it look) racking up 18 assists.
All his fans – and chances are that was just about everyone among the 19,800 at the ACC -- loved it, even if it did mean the Raptors went down in flames.
There is no doubt that all of his fans across the country would love to have seen Nash leading a plucky underdog team in Olympic qualifying this past summer in Las Vegas or at next summer’s last-gasp qualifying event or maybe, against all odds, at the Olympics themselves.
Who wouldn’t want to see Nash in the winter star for the Suns and then in the summer fly the flag for Canada? More Nash is better, I think everyone would agree.
But keep in mind as you watch Nash streak across the NBA galaxy this year once more, fit, healthy and at the top of his game, that you can’t have it all.
Nash knows it. And we should too.
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Joseph Daniel from Oakville, Canada writes: Thanks for writing this and keeping us fans point of view in perspective. I am just waiting for the dufus's who call Nash unpatriotic to show up and blaspheme all over again. True enough Nash did play when it served him and true enough he is not playing now because it serves him. It also serves the Phoenix Suns who are paying his measly salary. Those are the people Nash should be apeasing not us Canadian patriots who demand much from our top level atheletes.
- Posted 06/12/07 at 1:22 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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blacque panther from Canada writes: Fact #1: Terrific blog entry on your part. Fact #2: Nash stopped playing for Canada when he did because of 2 irrefutable things ... (i) he was angry, and sulking, because he did not agree with the Canada Basketball (CB) decision to bring a new head coach for the men's national team program when Nash wanted CB to retain the services of Jay Triano, and (ii) he was continually getting injured during the NBA regular season in the aftermath of spending his summers repping Canada internationally and his owner at the time (Mark Cuban/Dallas Mavs) refused to allow him to play for CB without there being a sizable insurance policy in place (paid for by CB), covering his salary in case of subsequent injury ... in that specific order. Fact #3: After ceasing his involvement with the national team, as an active player, Nash then began to take better care of himself during the off-season and ... without missing very many games in any given season ... won back-to-back NBA regular season MVP awards, which he hadn't ever done before while repping CB. Fact #4: The entire debate about whether or not Nash should still be playing for CB ... is a total red-herring, designed, fostered and promulgated by the despicable folks who run the Canada Basketball operation, as a way to deflect rightful and accurate criticism of their program for failing miserably when it comes to developing other competent elite level basketball players from and willing to rep this country (as Steve Nash did for the first 10 years of his basketball career). Fact #5: Simply put ... Canada Basketball, as a National Sport Organization (NSO), is a complete and utter joke! Kudos to Steve Nash ... the best and brightest basketball player/star this country has ever produced! ... and a curse on Canada Basketball for failing to do its own job properly.
- Posted 06/12/07 at 2:09 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Excellent post Blacque, and very concise. I had almost forgotten how ugly the Canada Basketball organization is.
- Posted 06/12/07 at 3:50 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Grange seems a little long winded, and his excuses for Nash's position are a little mind numbing, somewhat irrelevant, and speculative. Though I did see Grange working diligently on his Mac Book Pro at the ACC last night after the game, maybe his efforts would have been better spent getting the word right from the source, but hey that would be actual journalism.
- Posted 06/12/07 at 4:21 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: I agree with most of what Grange says, but still think Nash should play. He's never played for Canada when he's been the MVP of the league. The fact he hasn't been as injured the last few years is guesswork at best. Could be any number of factors. But even if it is directly attributable to his taking the summers off, how about not training as hard for the national teams? It's only a few weeks. The games aren't as long, nor are they as physical. Surely something could be worked out where he can come in late and not work as hard as the others. He's that good that he can do it. Another way of working is not to expect him there for all the various tournaments. No one's asking him to come out every single summer. But to wash his hands of the whole team is going too far. Kinda reminds me of how Rautens threatened to never play for Canada again and go play for Latvia (and he's now coaching us?!).
What about all the Europeans and South Americans who play for their countries even while going far in the playoffs? Dirk, Parker, Ginobili, et. al? Look at Vlade Divac. It's just something you should do.
As for his holidays and spending time with his family, his career isn't going to last that much longer. With the money he makes, he won't have to work again and he'll have more than anyone else gets with their families.
I think it's ridiculous to call him a traitor. But it's also ridiculous to not hold him responsible.- Posted 06/12/07 at 5:16 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Oil Patch Guy from Calgary, Canada writes: Nash - Best athlete Canada has ever produced! I am a football, hockey, baseball and soccer fan over basketball but the top NBA players are far and away better 'athletes' than most in these sports and Nash is the best in that league. Kudos to Steve!
- Posted 06/12/07 at 5:40 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Basketball Jones from Toronto, Canada writes: I think Big Cayman is an idiot. That was clearly an opinion piece in a writer's blog. Not a research paper. At the beggining he clearly states: "I'm going to go with one big thing: MY TAKE on the Nash patriot/traitor debate, such as it is. "
- Posted 06/12/07 at 5:54 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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ImTheOne TellingYouHowItIs from Canada writes: Blacque Panther. I cant believe you are the same guy making this quote as the one you made yesterday....I tore into you pretty good yesterday but I have to agree with your post today, some good stuff there. Red Herring, very well could be.
Basically anyone that is upset that Nash is not playing is plain selfish. Grange makes most of the points and panther hits on the rest...- Posted 06/12/07 at 6:42 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: I meant Lithuania, not Latvia. And I believe he stepped on the Canadian flag saying he'd never play again. Probably has to do more with the poor organization that is Basketball Canada, but that's another issue. So Rautens shouldnt' be too surprised if Nash doesn't want to play. He himself has been there, done that.
But to say the fans are selfish is stretching it. Grange hit all the points, but I hope you read them all. He essentially called Nash selfish, too. He buried it a bit in the long piece, but it was there. And that's not a bad thing, necessarily; just a thing. He played for Canada when it was good for his career. Now that he doesn't need it, he doesn't play. If that's not selfish, I need a new dictionary.
And now for something completely different: Does Jamario Moon look like a cross between Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Ken Shields to anyone else?- Posted 06/12/07 at 7:45 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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daniel dale from Toronto, Canada writes: You know what would be huge fun to watch on ESPN Classic? An old Dallas game in which Nash got booed hard and the commentators made sighing comments about his poor play.
- Posted 07/12/07 at 4:19 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Nevermind your personal opinion of me 'Basketball' Jones, the fact remains Michael Grange IS a reporter so conveniently subverting your journalistic responsibilities and putting on the usual dunce 'Blog' hat to weigh in on a sports issue which has galvanized the sporting fan in order to interject irrelevant and speculative conjecture is somewhat disengenuous. Rather than getting to the bottom of how Nash really feels, which would go a long way in resolving the issue for the reader, his 'opinion' blurs the truth and reality of the matter. Might I also add the Nash was in the building some several hundred feet away. Its morons like you Jones who end up being told what your opinion is. Who was calling for a 'research paper' as you put it? How about just asking Nash question? Then maybe Granges 'take' might be a little more informed. Sure, I can see how that might seem complicated.
- Posted 07/12/07 at 8:36 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Dale Griggs from Phoenix, Arizona, United States writes: Nash played for the glory of Canada for 10 years but he has reached an age where it is not possible to play all year at the pace he plays. He plays for a team that races up and down the floor, not like Detroit or Miami who stroll down the floor and try to cram it in the basket.
Give Nash his due, he played for Canada as long as he could. Let him refresh is aging body during the summer by skate boarding and playing a little amateur soccer in New York in the summer.- Posted 07/12/07 at 11:32 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Basketball Jones from Toronto, Canada writes: Woooo so testy, all I was saying is im sure he could have been like every other reporter in this city and gone and asked nash the exact same questions over and over again and gotten the exact same response. Instead he chose to write somewhat of an op-ed piece on the subject with personal bias' backed by historic events and his own interpretation of the situation and yes behind his "dunce blog", hahaha as you so succinctly put it. I enjoyed reading it, and not having to read the same drivel over and over again was refreshing, but go ahead, criticize the man's reporting so we can go back to reading the same story reported the same way by 4 different newspapers. That is so much fun!
- Posted 07/12/07 at 11:55 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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knacker irish from Mississauga, Canada writes: Think about the team we would have if all of our top players would step up. It's not just Nash. Who else will play this summer and who will sit. Maglore? Joel Anthony? Rowen Berret? Thank god for the commitment that Dalebert made to Canada basketball, and also all of our players in Europe like English, mendez, Young, and the d-league brown and Ole.
I also think a lot of bridges could be mended if they brought Triano into the current system, he would be a great asset. I think Nash has a bit of a chip on his shoulder and it's too bad he does not get over it because he is a great player and more important and great leader. Look how far he brought us with no one around him to finish, just think what we would be like if all of those names suited up for the red and white. What ever he decides he is still the best in my mind but I do admire the South American and European thinking of country first and club team second.- Posted 07/12/07 at 12:41 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Jones, as a big fan of conjecture you might be interested in the op-ed 'newz' paper called The Sun, where you and your like-minded ilk don't have to let the truth or facts get in the way. Its small enough to fit in a grocery bag and there is even a pretty picture of a girl with low expectations that you can cut out and pinup in your cubicle next to Swrisky and Rautins. However I must agree with you that Grange's acumen and arsenal of journalistic tools would not have overcome the monumental task of asking the same question(s) and getting the same answer if he had actually tried to interview Nash.
- Posted 07/12/07 at 2:19 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: "He plays for a team that races up and down the floor, not like Detroit or Miami who stroll down the floor and try to cram it in the basket."
Dirk Nowitzki plays hard and on a team that runs and runs. Vlade Divac, old war horse that he was, played on a high-paced team that went far in the playoffs every year. Same with Stojacovic. Same with many, many others. If Nash really doesn't want to play because of Rautens, he should say so. The "spending more time with my family" line is old and cliche.
As for being tired, the little soccer I've played was way harder than basketball. Especially if your muscles are used to basketball. I just don't think a couple weeks in the summer playing shorter games is that big a deal. He should fess up and tell us the real reason he's not playing. If it's Rautens, then maybe Basketball Canada can respond.- Posted 07/12/07 at 2:44 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Patrick Star from Toronto, Canada writes: "As for being tired, the little soccer I've played was way harder than basketball. Especially if your muscles are used to basketball. I just don't think a couple weeks in the summer playing shorter games is that big a deal."
That's easy for you to say because you're not an NBA player. Playing 100 basketball games at the highest level in 6-7 months is harder than any of us realize. You also criticized his desire to spend time with his wife and daughters (who are 2-3 years old I believe)...well that is just ridiculous. No one should knock on his family values. I don't have any kids yet but I even I know that being away from your kids, especially during their first few years, is hard. Let's not forget he spends half of the regular season away from home. Maybe missing out on your kid's childhood is not a big deal to you but most people don't feel the same way.
Nash is an all-time NBA great. He worked his entire life to get to where he is and despite how much we want him to represent our country, he doesn't owe anyone anything. Like all of us, he has his own life priorities.- Posted 07/12/07 at 3:57 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Basketball Jones from Toronto, Canada writes: Hahahaha, wait you mean the office you sit in Big Cayman isn't covered in pictures from the sun, because I know mine is. I love how you use The Sun as a comparison, wow that one made me laugh. I wasn't even going to respond but everyone here is just enjoying how angry you are.
- Posted 07/12/07 at 4:03 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: Hey Patrick, I had my son within a week of Nash's daughters, and I married my wife within a week of Steve getting married. Anyway, he's not the only international player with a family. I just think it's a convenient excuse used over and over again mostly by athletes. And the reason they use it is because it's almost critic-proof. Who's going to question someone who says they want to spend more time with their families. Compared to most people, professional athletes get to spend more time with their families than others. Most of us get up early and hustle off to work, coming home just as the kids are almost ready for bed. Five days a week. Also, by the time his kids are in grade one or two or three, he'll be home 24/7 if he wants because his career will be over.
Anyway, all I'm saying is it's a bit of an excuse. And maybe one of these reporters can try to get to the bottom of it by asking questions that others aren't asking. If he doesn't want to play, he doesn't want to play. Fair enough. I just don't want to hear that lame old excuse.- Posted 07/12/07 at 8:12 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: Uh, Billy, hate to break it to you but it IS kinda a basketball blog. And even if Nash did play for Canada (that he should, we're in agreement), I seriously doubt it would bring hockey pucks such as yourself around to the glory of basketball.
(Why can't so many hockey fans realize sports isn't a zero-sum game? It's quite possible to like and appreciate more than one sport.)- Posted 10/12/07 at 3:31 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: YES Jones, very angry indeed, very intuitive on your part. So you're showing people around your cubicle my comments?? Ha! That's very lame, and very insecure, but not surprising. Glad you liked the Sun reference, it is quite funny.
- Posted 10/12/07 at 11:20 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: So Billy's comment was removed and now I look like I'm just talking to myself. I can't remember everything he said, but nothing struck me as objectionable. Ignorant, for sure, but not slanderous or anything.
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Ed Slater from Canada writes: Michael:
A minor caveat regarding the players mentioned on the hockey side of your argument. In 1996, Lemieux declined to play for Team Canada at the World Cup of Hockey (the then new name for the Canada Cup) while still in the prime of his career. I didn't begrudge Mario that choice, in the same way that I do not begrudge Nash his decision to rest rather than play. What DID bother me about Mario's decision to sit, though, was the fact that he somehow managed to appear on the cover of the Canadian Tire catalogue, attired in a Team Canada during the run-up to the tournament. If you're too tired to play, fine; but it's disingenuous to then participate in the marketing of the event.- Posted 10/12/07 at 3:42 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Guy MacPherson from Vancouver, Canada writes: Granted, I don't follow hockey, but isn't it fair to say that the national hockey team didn't need Lemieux as much as the national basketball team needs Nash?
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Ed Slater from Canada writes: @ Guy:
I don't really follow b-ball a lot, but even I know that the answer to that question is "yes." To be clear, I'm not calling out Lemieux as a slacker - but that thing with the catalogue always bothered me and I think it would be better if he were not referred to as though he were the paragon of selfless and dedicated perpetual national sporting service. For that, we have Gretzky.- Posted 10/12/07 at 4:04 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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E W from Canada writes: Nash is being honest about his physical limitations as he ages without forgetting where his bread is currently buttered. You have to conserve your resources as your get older and/or when you're injured.
I wish Garbo had come to similar conclusions over the summer when he decided to play for Spain. Then he might not have been on an operating table yesterday.- Posted 12/12/07 at 3:56 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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