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Canadian behind bomb plots sentenced to life in prison

CHRISTINE KEARNEY

Reuters

Latest comment posted at 2:55 AM EST 19/01/08

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  1. Dana Cruickshank from Canada writes: I think we have a mutually beneficial relationship with the united states, and I know that Canada has helped the states during Katrina and other natural disasters. The states would also help Canada if we needed it. We are the very close allies, even if no one knows it.

    Regardless, this man is where he belongs. In my eyes he is not even a Canadian because he follows none of the values that a Canadian would or should have. He is a Canadian on a piece of paper, nothing more.
  2. Chris Lalonde from Singapore writes: He's a Canadian by convience only. Hopefully he'll be in jail for a long, long time. Sending him to even Guantanamo is too good for him!!
  3. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: He is not a Canadian and never will be a Canadian.
  4. Winston Smith from Brampton, Canada writes: He is not a Canadian. Being born in a stable does not make one a horse.
  5. Let me tell You How It Is from United States writes: Oh no you can't wash your hands of him that easily... he's got his Canadian citizenship and he has full Charter Rights protection and when he gets out of jail in 25 years he's coming back home to get his 'free' health care and his RRSP retirement check and his little summer house on the lake in Cottage country.
    If he's not Canadian then Canada needs to create some laws to revoke his citizenship. But the suckers-for-any-hard-luck story won't do that.
  6. Michael Powers from Canada writes: We have to bring him home, let him serve his sentence in Canadian jails. He is a Canadian citizen and should serve a sentence no longer than he would in Canada.

    Let see, he didn't kill anybody, his victims were only going to be Americans and he was really just an innocent young man under the influnce of a fringe wing of a peaceful religion. Add that all up and in Canada he would be set free and probably get compensation.

    Come on everybody we have a new chant.
    Free Mohammed Mansour, free Mohammed Mansour, free Mohammed Mansour

    Or he could rot in jail.
  7. Brad Reddekopp from Hazelton, British Columbia, Canada writes: The collectivist mindset that argues over whether or not Jabarah is 'Canadian' is closely related to the collectivist mindset that says it's okay to murder innocent people for the sake of a bloody idea.
  8. Raymond Johnston from Toronto, Canada writes: Brainwashing, a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques, which would be an appropriate definition had this man been a non-believer in the first place. Rather, I would suggest that as an impressionable young man he was sought after and cultivated by Al Qaeda because he was already a disciple for their cause. The fact is there are many many others who are being cultivated and indoctrinated in the same manner and who when the time is right will be conned into committing even more vile attrocities. How truly sad and frightening!
  9. GRAEME BLAIR from Canada writes: Hey, let me tell you from the US, take your self rightous crap and go read USA Today.
  10. Clive Gingell from Canada writes: Brad Reddekopp: Are the pedophiles who pose as hockey coaches, Boy Scout leaders or priests for no other reason than to obtain access to children, representative of those careers or are they simply opportunists who PRETEND to be whatever they think will further their intentions?
  11. The NeoCynic from Saint Kitts and Nevis writes:

    Was he tortured?

    Nobody knows because nobody cares.

    As long as torture remains on the menu for US law enforcement, there will never be any conviction of a so-called 'terrorist', or especially of the newly minted category of 'aspirational terrorist', untainted by well-founded suspicion that every 'confession', every piece of collaborative evidence, was extracted under severe pain.

    Until torture is prohibited, such 'convictions' are illegitimate, and Mohammed Mansour Jabarah will continue to enjoy the presumption of innocence by all who believe in the rule of law and the tenets of natural justice.
  12. Roika Stone from Toronto, Canada writes: Great news. Now, when will the N.D.P. realize that Bin Ladden and his Taliban want to gut the like a fish?
  13. dennis Harris from United States writes: Very good post, NeoCynic. I would like to add that maybe if the U.S. would stop pillaging and politically interfering in other countries maybe there would not be such a rich field for 'terrorist' cultivation.
  14. dennis Harris from United States writes: speaking of terrorists, I hear that Dick Cheney is planning to visit Stelmach in the near future. There is a very pro-Cheney cell of oil tycoons there. Be on guard for dirty deals.
  15. J.C. Davies from Canada writes:
    'He was sentenced without a trial, based on his initial guilty plea.'

    It goes without saying that everyone who pleads guilty is sentenced without a trial. Happens every day in Canadian courts. Yet the phrasing of it in this article implies that he was denied due process which is simply untrue.
  16. Richard Stanczak from Corunna, Canada writes: I see R. Stone has jumped in again to attack the NDP. Funny, I did not know that the defendant was a member of the NDP or that Jack Layton was involved in his defence. If I read the comments on Sidney Crosby's injury can I expect to find another of your insane screeds about the NDP?

    I think you should seek some professional help [its covered in this socialist country] for your pathological hatred of the NDP.

    Oh, and people, the defendant was and is a Canadian citizen. Contrary to popular belief, we are not all perfect and law abiding.
  17. Ben USMC from United States writes:

    Although he seems to condemn his past, nowhere does this Canadian terrorist seem to apologize for it.

    Apologies mean a lot to me.
  18. The NeoCynic from Saint Kitts and Nevis writes: 'Happens every day in Canadian courts.'

    What presumably does not happen every day here is torture.

    A subtle difference for those fully inducted into the Church of Our War on Terror. As was the case during the witch trials of yesteryear, only the socially unpopular, the mentally ill, and the politically dangerous end up at the end of a noose or in yet another bonfire of political vanity for the sake of the private agendas of others.

    This is yet another travesty of justice, a farce of a trial.
  19. anonymouse Z from Canada writes: Let me tell you Blah Blah: That's because when 'Americans' want to blow up something, it's usually a US target. I don't know, for some reason, I keep thinking of the unabomber and Tim McVeigh.
  20. Un-hyphenated Canadian from Toronto, Ireland writes: Any protests from special interest groups for his sentences. Oddly, G&M version is different from the Star 's. Star 's version stated all of his family members have been moving to Kuwait after getting Canadian citizenships and passports. They did not even show up at the trial.
    Are they citizens of convenience or not.
  21. Yussi M from Canada writes: Canadian government must do something about it. Muslim-Canadians have been unfairly castigated in last 5 years by the rest of the popuation and by Americans. Whenever US economy does poorly, they always accuse someone of terrorism to divert attention and it's somehow always Canadian Muslims who they pick. Coincidence? I don't think so. Canada has to act to protect its Muslim citizens.

    Dana Cruishank, the man is Canadian. In case you didn't notice, we are officially a multicultural country. Not all Canadians, present and future, share your values.
  22. anonymouse Z from Canada writes: Yussi: We might be multi-cultural, but we should not be stupid. If he is not loyal to Canada and its values (of equal rights, of non-discrimination and so on), then he doesn't belong here. His loyalty clearly lay with AQ, thus he should have gone for Afghan citizenship. Sorry, but such folk do not belong here and their citizenship is nothing more than one of convenience. In such cases, Canada should, in fact, revoke citizenship. Same with Khadr's family. Canada should protect LOYAL, law-abiding citizens.

    That should apply to everyone: if you want to become and remain a citizen, loyalty to Canada should be a requirement. Keep the culture as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
  23. Ben USMC from United States writes:

    Yussi M from Canada

    'Dana Cruishank, the man (Mohammed) is Canadian. In case you didn't notice, we are officially a multicultural country. Not all Canadians, present and future, share your values.'

    Yussi ... Several posters seem to feel that they are the arbiters of 'Who is a Canadian.'

    I'm behind you on this one, Amigo!
  24. The NeoCynic from writes: anonymouse Z

    'loyalty to Canada should be a requirement.'

    Spoken like a true anti-democratic fascist. I guess it goes without saying that you mean loyalty to what you think 'Canada' means. I bet you salute any piece of shyt they choose to run up the flagpole.
  25. The NeoCynic from writes:
    Oh, the horror, the shame, kill me please, Ben USMC posted something I agreed with.

    When they cut down my body hanging from my mouse cord, give me a decent burial.
  26. Nicholas de Panicis from Canada writes: Look's like BUBBA's is going to have a multiculturale companion for quite some time....He can keep him until the TRAITOR ROT'S...
  27. Jo Ingblat from Canada writes: anonymouse Z writes, 'We might be multi-cultural, but we should not be stupid. If he is not loyal to Canada and its values (of equal rights, of non-discrimination and so on), then he doesn't belong here....Canada should protect LOYAL, law-abiding citizens.' -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This might help with our over-crowded prisons problem. Anyone who commits a crime of any sort (since they've betrayed Canadian 'values) can be stripped of their citizenship and deported to antartica, or perhaps the moon. It would also help us fix this Quebec independence problem, because we can strip seperatists of their citizenship and deport them, thus leaving us only with loyal Canadians in Quebec, who will most definetly vote NO in the next referendum. It also stands to reason that homophoebes and hate-mongers should be deprived of their citizenship--like anonymous Z says, 'values of equal rights, of non-discrimination and so on'--and therefore anyone who opposes gay-marriage is clearly a traitor, since it is Canadian law after all. Maybe Catholics and their anti-gay agenda can go back to where they came from. That sounds like sound policy to me. Thank you anonymouse Z, for saying what everyone's thinking, when they're not thinking.
  28. I am Canadian from Scarbouroughanistan, Canada writes: This guy and his family similar to Khard family and their supporters are just citizens of convenience. Their Canadian citizenships should be stripped off and shipped back to where they came from(actually his family 's already went back to Kuwait and made killing there without paying any tax at all. What a grand plan for those religion of peace followers, get all protection and benefits of carrying Canadian passports but contributing nothing except problems to Canada).
  29. Ed Anger from Canada writes: He's goin be brain washed in prison for the next 25 years and better get used to being called moma.
  30. Mike Sumners from Anytown, Canada writes: The headline on this article is misleading. This guy isn't Canadian at all!
  31. Paul Sweeney from Canada writes: When in grade school years ago and being fed government propaganda about Multiculturalism it was explained to me that under this policy a person ccould speak whatever language he wanted, eat whatever food she wanted, and pray to whatever imaginary friend. However this concept did not include political values.

    So don't appeal to multiculturalism to support this wack-job's political views. Being a terrorist is not covered by this doctrine. Multiculturalism is not a license or justification for any and all practices whatsoever.

    It seems to me that this concept is proving to be more trouble than its worth in so far as it is used to neuter reasonable judgment and discrimination.

    Moreover every time we hear news of some person with a Canadian passport being one a terrorist I lose faith in my own government. In my eyes, the country is not as valuable as it once was nor as valuable as the pretensions of the government make it out to be.
  32. scare crow from Canada writes: Since he claimed he is brainwashed and pretty much useless, can we lobotomized him as well. Only then can we accept him back here in canada.
  33. Frank Black from Vancouver, Canada writes: The rope is the only answer for this guy and others like him...
  34. Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Paul Sweeney,

    You are naive to think that a person's culture does not influence political views. It is patronizing to New Canadians to reduce their cultures to folklore: food, dances etc.

    You can't say that we welcome other cultures but demand unconditional separation of mosque and state, unconditional Western-style 'equality for women' and unconditional 'freedom of speech'. That's like Henry Ford's saying that he sells cars in every colour, as long as it is black.

    You obviously think that Western culture is superior to others, that's why in your eyes the country may not be as valuable as it once was. Fortunatelly most Canadians disagree and strongly support multiculturalism.
  35. Darth Bobo from Canada writes: Yep, I'm with the 'let him rot' crowd.
  36. Offshore Directional Driller from Phuket, Thailand writes: Fare thee well, especially in the showers. I would kick the soap back to my cell if I were you, picking it up could be de-masculating!

    He is right where he belongs. Locked down like the dog he is. Rot away you Al Qaeda piece of sh*t!
  37. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: Canada is a Western country. There is no such thing as a Middle Eastern Muslim Canadian. A person of Middle Eastern heritage residing in Canada is an expatriate living abroad.
  38. Offshore Directional Driller from Phuket, Thailand writes: Yussi M from Canada writes:
    You obviously think that Western culture is superior to others, that's why in your eyes the country may not be as valuable as it once was. Fortunatelly most Canadians disagree and strongly support multiculturalism.

    Buddy you could not be more wrong!
    I don't see or hear any of any huge line ups at any Middle Eastern Emabassies to immigrate there.
    Are they not coming here and bringing stone age cultural beliefs with them? I.E. So called honour killings?
    In this age of internet and TV where they have brought other cultures to the dinner table, live at 18:00, multi-culturism is dying. People are sick and tired of Jamiacan gangs slaughtering innocents, fathers killing their own daughters because they are not islamic enough and scum like the Kadhr family spewing hate for the country who was ggod enough to immigrate to but horrible in evey other aspect.
    Wake up and smell the bacon, or sorry I mean coffee.
  39. Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Chris E.,

    Canada is not a Western country, we're officially multicultural.

    ODD,

    You'd be surprised at how many Canadians move there. Last year for example it turned out that the biggest foreign diaspora in Lebanon is Canadian - there were more Canadians there then Americans and Brits combined. Besides, problems of some of those countries may have to do with West's discrimination of them and decades of US Army and CIA interfering in their affairs. It's not the fault of their own culture but the West's.
  40. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: So now Canada isn't a Western country? Good to know how you feel, Yussi. In your mind it's been annexed into Dar al Islam, perhaps?

    I've got news for you. You don't even know what you're talking about. My ancestors have a combined European and North American heritage dating back tens of thousands of years. We have a rich and distinctive history, with our own languages, sciences, philosophy, architecture, genetics, values, customs and territory on this globe that we will defend.

    We are not one with you in 'multiculturalism', nor do we want to be.
  41. Bob in Chilliwack from Chilliwack, Canada writes: True enough. There are lot's of Canadians in Lebenon. Also in Hong Kong, Egypt and many other countries. I call them citizens of convienence. And you know what. As soon as the s--t hit the fan they will all want to come back to Canada. They'll all want free transportation. And when they get here they'll all want free medical and all the rest of the goodies that come with Canadian citizenship. If new 'citizens' leave the country for more than two years their citizenship should be revoked unless they come back for at least six months.
  42. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: Yussi M from Canada writes:
    You obviously think that Western culture is superior to others, that's why in your eyes the country may not be as valuable as it once was. Fortunatelly most Canadians disagree and strongly support multiculturalism.
    >>>Without Jihad, sleeper cells, lunatic hateful sermons in the local mosques, and oppression of the women. You are obviously pretending that the Muslims coming here did not know that they come to the Western liberal democracy and they are expected to respect the Law and the values this country is base on. Do you remember what you promised when you got your citizenship? Loyalty to Canada and not to the retarded Mullahs and Ayatollahs. How about you will be treated here as you were treated there in that wonderful country based on your rich ancient culture and religion of peace?
  43. david ferguson from halifax, Canada writes: 'Mohammed Mansour Jabarah tells court he was brainwashed by al-Qaeda '

    Another Canadian of convenience. We won't miss him. No doubt legal challenge will ultimately be mounted to have him potentially serve the bulk of his sentence in Canada.

    Let the U.S. have him. Life is a series of choices. He made them. Live with them.
  44. Ken Hass from Canada writes: This is an outrage and obvious discrimination against an innocent Islamic disturbed Canadian youth. Mr. Jabarah was apparently not properly schooled by Canada and apparently not properly indoctrinated by Canadian Social Services. His being convicted in the US, will more than likely lead to torture. We must immediately hire the best lawyers that Canada can afford and get him out of jail. Upon his return to Canada we must give him $10,000,000.00 and a house in Banff.
    After all we are Canadians.
  45. Jim IIII from Canada writes: Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Paul Sweeney,
    You obviously think that Western culture is superior to others, that's why in your eyes the country may not be as valuable as it once was.

    Fortunatally most Canadians disagree and strongly support multiculturalism.

    Yussi ,, when you say 'most' you are speaking of the 'Canadian's of convenience' and the politicians who scramble for their vote.

    Multiculturalism is hard pressed now because the ones who come to Canada 'don't want to fit in'... all you hear from them is demands to suit their ,,, whatever....When they demanded the Christmas Tree be removed from a public building, and won , I said to myself,, heyyyy what happen to MY culture and beliefs?????????????
    Now,,, it is new schools for a ethnic group that is in demand.

    No ,,Yussi,,, if your or anyone with Canadian convenience papers don't suit you,, leave,, if not............................................................ .
  46. Richard Stanczak from Corunna, Canada writes: Once again the idiots of the radical right come out to spew their venom.

    Lets see if they covered their pet solutions to all our problems;

    Lock up everyone who is different........check.
    Bring back the death penalty.......check.
    Torture ...........check.
    Loyalty tests.........check.
    Close the borders to anyone who is not a real Canadian [ie. WASP]....double check.

    You guys are so predictable. And ignorant.
  47. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: Richard Stanczak from Corunna, Canada, the only thing your post did was criticize. If you want to participate in a forum, you need ideas. Criticism and name-calling alone are worthless.

    What do you stand for, and how would you accomplish it? What would your policies accomplish if drawn out to their full measure? Are they realistic, or just a utopian pipe dream? Give examples of historic success. Are you a doer, or just a nuisance yelling from the sidelines?
  48. Lohan Milam from Canada writes: Paul Sweeney, excellent post.

    Yussi, your understanding of Multiculturalism is twisted and your statement that Canada is not a Western Country...well that's just plain stupid if you really believe it.
  49. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: Amazing that the G&M allows comments on this guy and when it comes to Conrad Black we are locked out!!!!!
  50. Frank Black from Vancouver, Canada writes: Non freedom of expression abound here according to the corporate policy I suppose...
  51. Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Lohan,

    Check your facts - Canada has been officially multicultural for more than 30 years. Obviously, Western culture is one of the pillars of our multiculturalism, but so is Islam.
  52. Let me tell You How It Is from United States writes: I totally agree with Yussi!
    Yussi's got it all figured out. Canada is a totally non-Western and multicultural country. Even had legislation to introduce Sharia legal muslim law in Canada a couple of years ago. More evidence that Canadians have a total inferiority complex and realize that any law other than their own Western law has got to be superior. Part of that Canadian characteristic of suckers-who-believe-any-hard-luck-story and spine-lessly-bending-over-backwards to accomodate anyone because "what will they think of us on the International stage?" Whatever this mythical International Stage is. If you haven't figured it out by now nobody is in the concert hall of this international stage because nobody is freakin watching.
    Not calling anyone slow but if it took you 40 years to figure it out by now, Canada ain't no Western Country anymore. When I think of Canada I think of a teeming Middle Eastern bazaar in Syria or Egypt.
    Thank goodness we have a fortified frontier with this non-Western country of Canada.
  53. Offshore Directional Driller from Phuket, Thailand writes: Richard Stanczak from Corunna, Canada writes: Once again the idiots of the radical right come out to spew their venom.

    Richie, you have been inhaling the fumes out of Shell's stacks again haven't you?

    Venom? HAH!
    Sadly common sense isn't common anymore.
  54. Terry Flanagan from Canada writes: "Thank goodness we have a fortified frontier with this non-Western country of Canada"

    Yawn...Do you? It seems that the far right xenophobes from your country are in fact decrying the "longest undefended border in the world" as a threat to your security. It's not of course, but white-wingers like yourself are never persuaded by logic.

    Here are some facts: muslims believe that their religion trumps their citizenship - which is why many muslims in the west have no problem in executing their fellow countrymen. The problem is Islam - not the country that the individual muslim resides in.
  55. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: Terry Flanagan from Canada writes: The problem is Islam - not the country that the individual muslim resides in.

    I disagree with that. Religion is just an overlay to the cultural superstructure, the way Christianity is to the West. Our Western customs and values incorporate Greek and Nordic elements as well as Christian.

    The Middle East is the way it is because of thousands of years of doing things their way. Many of their behavioral traits and customs predate Islam and will outlive Islam.
  56. RGW SCO from Canada writes: I detest your headline. While the radical Muslim sentenced to life imprisonment for terrorist activities may have Canadian citizenship he certainly is not a true Canadian. His moral, ethical, legal, religious values are not those that have built and culivated this country. He should be stripped of the ability to be referred to as a Canadian and should be stripped of his Canadian citizenship. The media that reports such items should refrain from attempting to perpetuate the belief that this man is a Canadian. Will this terrorist ever be a true Canadian? Never! And should never be reported as such.
  57. Doug Hollinrake from Canada writes: Yussi - going back a few posts, are you suggesting that support for multi-culturalism implies (or demands) the supporter's respect for aspects of other cultures that result in the treatment of women as second class citizens and the suppression of free speech? Because I would wager heavily that non-immigrants who are the most likely to be pro multi-culturalism are probably the least likely to accept the oppression of women and the suppression of free speech. I may have misunderstood you, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest to people that they have to respect and obey the laws of the country they are coming to. Otherwise, saying people need to respect that fact that SOME immigrants view women as second class citizens is essentially the same as saying it's okay for existing Canadians to view immigrants as second class citizens. ALSO - on the emmigration to Lebanon point - statistics not as useful without knowing how many people were originally from Lebanon / descendants of people originally from Lebanon. That could simply indicate that Lebanese people leaving Lebanon were more likely to come to Canada than to the States or Britain. It might not mean that, of course, I'm just saying that the naked statistics don't necessarily tell the whole story.
  58. Offshore Directional Driller from Phuket, Thailand writes: Let me tell You How It Is from United States,

    Run, quick, FOX news is on. Oh look, O'Reilly is there, YAHOOOO! Now curl up with your handgun and watch how Mr O says everyone else is ignorant and he has all the answers. I can't figure out who is more pathetic you or the American foriegn policy.

    By the way, why are you reading OUR paper. Get the comics out and read something you MIGHT understand.
  59. Frank Black from Vancouver, Canada writes: Canada made a major error going multicultural We'el pay for it in spades in the long run..."wait and see"
  60. Brendan Caron from Vancouver, Canada writes: Let me tell you how it is... you have it all wrong!! How long is it before you dudes try and stick him with us in our cheaper(?) jails? Understand the treaties between out countries and you should come up with an answer. There you guys go, again, sticking us with your problems. Maybe you can send him to Syria and we will make him a multi-millionaire when he comes back because of your... ?
  61. Don Bryant from Calgary, Canada writes: This creature is a sub-human piece of garbage. He's not even on the same level as a cockroach or a maggot and, as any sensible person would eliminate a cockroach or a maggot without a second's hesitation, the action should be taken to eliminate this thing from the planet.
  62. Brendan Caron from Vancouver, Canada writes: Yussi... Canadian culture -aka- Western culture is superior to other culture. (sic) Pray? Tell me why your culture is so superior that you can, in Canada, look down upon my culture you boor. If you think that women are the ultimate agenda of our view of the world then you are sadly mistaken. We are people. We are free people. Say what you wil, but, we are free people. We don't tolerate bullies in our neck of the woods. Our American brothers, sister, nephews, nieces, uncles, aunts and relatives, in general, are our brothers, sisters etc. Your extrapolations don't cut it. Go Canada. Go!
  63. Ed Anger from Canada writes: it looks like we need to open another can of old school crusade whoop *ss to show what we christians will do when the muslims go offside.
  64. Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: Some of the comments here denying that this man is Canadian are pathetic. As though no Canadian could ever go bad and do bad things. Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olsen, Marc Lepine (originally named Gamil Gharbi) were all raised in Canada, yet they didn't turn out to be stellar citizens.

    This reminds me of when Ben Johnson got his medal stripped for steroid use four days after winning gold in the 1988 Summer Olympics. Up to that point, he was Canada's most popular athlete, bigger than Wayne Gretzky even. After he was caught, he became "that Jamaican immigrant."

    Sorry guys. We can't have it both ways. Mohammed Mansour Jabarah is Canadian. We can't just wash our hands of him after allowing him to immigrate here, and granting him citizenship. He carries our passport, which was legally granted to him by our authorities. He's one of us, and we have to wear it. Every country produces its share of ghouls, whether they were born in that country or emmigrated there. Canada is no better nor worse than any other country.
  65. Brendan Caron from Vancouver, Canada writes: Yussi... over thirty years!(?)don't lie or allow your mis-perceptions get the best of you.
  66. Henry B from Galtabad, Canada writes: Yussi M, in your morning comment you make the plea "Canadian government must do something about it. Muslim-Canadians have been unfairly castigated in last 5 years by the rest of the population and by Americans." Well actually the government already did something about it. They created this organization called CSIS who in the course of protecting Canadian interests found what a threat this fellow presented. CSIS learned in 2002 many of the sordid details of his activities that have now landed this barbarian in jail. His older brother Abdul Rahman, was also a terrorist; he was killed along with al qaeda bomb maker Aldandany by Saudi police in 2003. I'm surprised this news alluded your attention as you seem to be keenly aware of the suffering within Canada's Muslim community.
  67. Henry B from Galtabad, Canada writes: Frank Black, I agree with you. The melting pot idea of immigration creates a homogeneous society but Trudeau's multicultural mosaic is a fragile society held together by the glue of political correctness. Mohammed Mansour Jabarah caught the passion for jihad over summer trips back to Kuwait. His dress now shows where his heart lies - let him go Kuwait when he is let out; he'll be a hero there.
  68. Brendan Caron from Vancouver, Canada writes: letmetellyou howit is... You like Canadians?
  69. Andrew E from ALBERTA., Canada writes: Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Chris E.,

    Canada is not a Western country, we're officially multicultural.

    ODD,

    You'd be surprised at how many Canadians move there. Last year for example it turned out that the biggest foreign diaspora in Lebanon is Canadian - there were more Canadians there then Americans and Brits combined. Besides, problems of some of those countries may have to do with West's discrimination of them and decades of US Army and CIA interfering in their affairs. It's not the fault of their own culture but the West's.

    >> Yussi, would any of those be "Canadians" we rescued? remember, the ones who had the 'nads to complain about the onboard accomodations and food?
  70. Bob Loblaw from Canada writes: What does everyone think about a policy where you are granted unconditional citizenship if you are born in Canada. However, if you aquire it latter in life, you must adhere to residency rules and some sort of code of conduct. Just looking for opinion and debate on this
  71. Hunteroffortune Alberta from Canada writes: I remember the Lebanese-Canadians who were crying to be rescued from Lebanon, Canada helped them, for free, what did we hear?

    The boat ride was bad, I would have stayed in Lebanon if I had known how rocky the ride would be.....Not one THANK YOU CANADA. Where are they now, back in Lebanon. Next time, they can stay there.

    Yussi, multiculturalism is a fiction only supported by lefties. If you live in a slum in Toronto with all your relatives, that does not make you Canadian, that makes you an immigrant that refuses to intergrate into OUR culture and country.

    You are here because WE THE PEOPLE of Canada allowed you into our country, abuse that privilege and prepare to go back to where ever you came from.
  72. Andrew E from ALBERTA., Canada writes: Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Lohan,

    Check your facts - Canada has been officially multicultural for more than 30 years. Obviously, Western culture is one of the pillars of our multiculturalism, but so is Islam.

    >> once again... Islam is a pillar of Canadian multiculturalism?? I call bull&%$#@*
    Quick, name something Islamic that is an underpinning of Canadian culture.

    The burqua/niqab? No, not particularly Canadian, unless you start describing it as a balaclava, and your men wear it more than your women. (And I'm surprised that the Status of Women isn't blockading the doors to every mosque in Canada... must be those darn Tory cutbacks, and the price of gas. )
    Falafel? Donair? Baklava? Unh-unh... we eat BEEF, and the peaceable, Orthodox, Christian and fun-loving Greeks do better baklava.
    Honor killings? Nope, sooo 6th-century.

    Any ideas?
  73. Brendan Caron from Vancouver, Canada writes: rgw... yah? But he's got a piece of paper? Go figure?
  74. Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes: Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: "We can't just wash our hands of him after allowing him to immigrate here, and granting him citizenship."

    If you move to Kuwait that doesn't mean you cease to be a white Westerner. Race is your first identity. Political borders are second. Regardless of the Canadian passport, he isn't one of us.
  75. anonymouse Z from Canada writes: Neo-Cynic: First, look up the meaning of loyal and then of fascist. My parents are immigrants too. That doesn't mean they or I will be loyal to another country. I am Canadian and therefore I will never try to harm this country or fight against it. It IS as simple as that. Any person loyal to his country, in your definition, is a fascist then. If you think loyalty to Canada is not required when you adopt the citizenship, why become a citizen? Citizenship of convenience, obviously.

    Jo Ingblat: Obtaining citizenship when you are born outside the country is a privilege. Ask any first generation immigrant how difficult it is in another country and you will get the answer. I know it firsthand from my parents and their friends. I also know it from my immigrant friends.
  76. Marian Olson from Vancouver, Canada writes: The only reason this committed would-be terrorist is locked up is the fact that somehow CSIS, who weren't even going to charge him with anything at all after his confession regarding his activities in the Far East, somehow convinced this rather naive fellow to travel to the US and share his wisdom with the FBI. Otherwise, dear friends, he would still be loose and wandering the world with his squeaky clean Canadian passport arranging the death of various infidels. A very devout fellow, but dumb as a bucket of hammers in some ways. I'm happy about that, and also happy that he's off the street. Thank you, Uncle Sam.
  77. Steve Durocher Hearts and minds, kidneys and livers, Oh my!! from Canada writes: Break out the waterboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Don't send him to Syria because he will just win another lottery like Arar.
  78. Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: Yussi, the guy is in prison because he tried to blow up some American targets. You make it sound like he's only in jail because he's a Muslim. Plenty of Canadian Muslims will never end up in American jails. The ones that do are the ones that try to attack them. If you're saying that Canada must accept ALL Muslims, including the terrorist ones, and the ones who prefer to use Canada's multicultural policies as an excuse to continue living in the Stone Age, you are mistaken.
  79. Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: I think his brainwashing started the day his parents decided to call him Mohammed.
  80. Michael Powers from Canada writes: By the time they get around to awarding him his allotment of virgins - they will be old, fat, toothless and will probably have found otherways to entertain themselves. That just might be the price a chicken martyr has to pay.

    Can you imagine the bickering that he will have to put up with.
  81. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Yussi M: Actually, we can. It's OUR country, and you chose to come here of your own free will. No one forced you to pick Canada over any other country. When in Rome, etc.. The purpose of multicultaralism is to avoid the negative aspects of assimilation. That does not mean that integration into the culture of Canada by immigrants is not required. Integration meaning, among other things, adopting the core values of the country. Which is based on the British and French systems. This includes concepts like seperation of church and state, rule of law, individual rights - including women's rights, equality of all indiviudals and democratic political values. It also means that immigrants must become fluent and literate in at least one of the official languages of the country The advantage of multiculturtalism is that it encourages the inclusion of many perspectives into the national discourse and makes society more flexible and vibrant. That does NOT mean that what our politicians and selected immigrant groups have twisted multiculturalism into is either valid or correct. And if you don't like this, and feel oppressed by these requirements, you are perfetly free to return to wherever it is you came from. If you were born here, you have no excuse, and should still be expelled.
  82. Don Bryant from Calgary, Canada writes: Alistair McLaughlin from Canada writes: Some of the comments here denying that this man is Canadian are pathetic. . . This reminds me of when Ben Johnson got his medal stripped . . . in the 1988 Summer Olympics. After he was caught, he became "that Jamaican immigrant."

    You know what, Alistar. The lying, cheating, drug-addled Ben Johnson was, is, and will always be a Jamaican. He is most certainly NOT a Canadian. No more than this Arab terrorist is.
  83. Pat Gesner from Canada writes: Brad Reddekopp from Hazelton Yes. And Muslims that have lived in Canada exemplify that midst with Mohammad Pares strangling his daughter for not being Muslim enough. This guy just goes further by wishing to kill those not Muslim. Once the Toronto 17 finally is tried we will find a lot of Muslims born in Canada of the same mindset. And yet we seem willing to let Muslims educate their Canadian children in segregated Muslim schools. Why- less do you seriously think fewer Mohamad Parvez's or child soldiers like the Kandrs will come out of those schools? everyone is also going to turn a blind eye to Mohammad 's 7th century parental instructions about 7 year olds be told to pray and 10 year olds be beaten into pray? There are cases in Britain of Muslim children badly bruised (hospitalized) by been beaten by Muslim instructors.
  84. Ken Hass from Canada writes: Yussi, western culture is superior to Islam, it evolves.
    However the advent of Multiculturalism is causing a once great culture to devolve into nothing.
    Multiculturalism is a disease, hopefully a cure will be found soon.
  85. Pat Gesner from Canada writes: “brainwashed” by al-Qaeda. So how come we have not found out all the details of Bin Laden’s safe haven were he, surrounded by Al Qaeda, was helpless to prevent been brainwashed. Next we will have Muslims claiming that the internet made them rapists, child molesters or honour killers- not Islam -and so many people in Canada like the Muslim apologists and appeasers on these comments will fall for it. Muslims were helpless victims, for example so many libraries in Canada giving them free access to the Internet. Canada's fault! Why not Allah who determined their fate at birth DOOMED them as it is written in the Koran. So sue Allah - do not complain of the USA- they were just pawns in Allah’s hand. Stupid politicians handed out money in compensation to Muslims when Islam itself proclaims all things that happen are determined by Allah. Tortured by fellow Muslims - Its Allah's will. Christian Canada with its free will has to suffer Muslims avoiding deportation by claiming torture. Not respecting that Allah will determine if they will be tortured or not- so lacking in respect for Muslim beliefs as to impose Christian free will on Muslims by not deporting them. Islam is so full of contradictions,and alien to Canada values, no wonder I can easily come across as "hating" them. Actually I kind of feel sorry for them to be born to such a fear filled religion. But that does not mean I should have to suffer their beliefs in Canada- there are 58 countries out there where their weird values would be extremely respected by fellow Muslims. Google http://www.averroes-foundation.org/ to see how many people claiming to be "Muslim" try to twist Islam to be "respectful" to women and children’s rights to move it away from its 7th centaury past. Faith freedom is mostly "Muslims" who think it cannot be done- change enough fundamentals of Islam - then there is nothing left. No excuse for that guy to be made Islamist by the Internet with such “Muslim" sites are around.
  86. Sceptical Observer from Canada writes: Chris E. from vancouver, Canada writes:
    If you move to Kuwait that doesn't mean you cease to be a white Westerner. Race is your first identity. Political borders are second. Regardless of the Canadian passport, he isn't one of us.
    >>>I don't think it is the same. I mean race and civilization. Many people belonging to the Muslim civilization are Caucasian. For example Iranians.
  87. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Don Bryant: Pipe down. Johnson was hailed as a canadiuan until he got caught. As for your claim that he was never a Canadian, he got his citrizenship a long tome before he chearted.. He is as Canadian as you ot I. I guess he is niether white nor Anglo enough for you.
  88. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ Pat Gesner: Ranting and hate-mongering again. Slither back under your rock, study up history. When you can converse rationally, come back.
  89. james cyr from Balmertown, Ontario, Canada writes: Orest Zarowsky: We have seldom agreed on many things, however, with reference to your post of 9:47 am, well said!
  90. Jo Ingblat from Canada writes: anonymouse Z says, Jo Ingblat: Obtaining citizenship when you are born outside the country is a privilege. Ask any first generation immigrant how difficult it is in another country and you will get the answer. I know it firsthand from my parents and their friends. I also know it from my immigrant friends.------God, what a dumb comment. Anonymous, citizenship isn't a priveldge. You either have it, or you don't. It's not a driver's licence--the govt. can't just take it away from you for drinking and driving. Once it's granted, that's it, except in the most exceptional of circumstances. You obviously believe that certain Canadians by birth or heritage--or maybe merit?--are more Canadian than others, and you have every right to believe what you want, but I'm glad my country and its legal and democratic institutions don't share your view. It's fascinating to see people like you calling for the revocation of citizenship, when it should be pretty obvious that revocation DEVALUES the very meaning of citizenship in the first place. Once you start throwing around citizenship like a piece of paper, it becomes nothing more than a piece of paper. And yes, there are people for whom citizenship IS a piece of paper--but you don't preserve the integrity of citizenship by allowing judges or politicians to confer or withdraw citizenship, except in the most extraordinary of circumstances (and this isn't it by a long shot!). If you really care about what Canadian citizenship is actually worth, than you needn't care about how Canadian your neighbour feels--or some guy in Kuwait, or some guy serving 10-15 for armed assault. You should be more concerned about how your country's democratic, political, and legal institutions values Canadian citizenship. And thankfully citizenship IS citizenship--equally and impartially for everyone. Talking about 1st and 2nd classes of citizenship, or revocation only undermines that.
  91. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: @ james cyr: I didn't say anything different there from what I have said numerous times before. The problem is that what passes for political leadership here is an EFFING joke - in extremely poor taste. The current crew being a sterling example of the problem. ALL of these jerks have twisted and misused the policy for short-term political gain. And some immigrant groups have colluded in this misuse. Multiculturalism, if applied as originally designed and intended, is a brilliant compromise between the full-on assimilation of the American "Melting Pot" and no attempt to integrate into the host society. A critical element of multiculturalism is that the host society also has to make some compromises and accomodations for the newcomers. But the onus is on the immigrants to adapt and intergrate. As for what we disagree on, you are, by your own admission, a follower of Ayn Rand's theories. I think they are a failure. Not because she doesn't have a valid point. But because Rand's "philosophy" is fatally flawed since it not only fails to take significant aspects of reality into account, but because - most critically - it denies the reality of human character and behaviour. Rand's "philosophy" is a gross over-simplification of economics, political power structures, and denial of the reality of the limits of individual human wherewithall. Just like Marx's was. Rand and Marx came at social, political and economic behaviour from different angles, but both of them ignored fundamental aspects of reality. This is why I disagree with you. You are operating, as far as I am concerned, in a delusional state. Marx's approach, as applied in the Communist world, has failed. Rand's approach, as applied by the neo-cons has also failed. It's long past time that you and your fellow-travellers grew up and accepted reality. Deal with it.
  92. Edmond Dusablon from United States writes: Offshore Directional Driller from Phuket, Thailand writes: Let me tell You How It Is from United States,... By the way, why are you reading OUR paper. Get the comics out and read something you MIGHT understand.

    Gee, I thought Canadians only whined when Americans ignored you.

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