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Kandahar governor denies torture claim

STEPHANIE LEVITZ , BRIAN LAGHI , CAMPBELL CLARK and PAUL KORING

Canadian Press and Globe and Mail Update

Latest comment posted at 1:13 AM EDT 02/02/08

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  1. martha stewart from Canada writes: How selective. Seems the 'outspoken' Hillier only tells the public what serves his purposes. He symbolizes everything that is morally wrong with Canada's involvement in this immoral quagmire.

    Onward Chevron soldiers!
  2. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: This is less encouraging. Soldiers do what they are told but soldiers on their third or fourth rotation through a battle zone are likely to suffer from long term psychological problems. While Hillier may want to continue on the mission, it is not Hillier's decision and, for example, interviews with the families back home indicated a great deal of stress about an ongoing mission with no end in sight. There will be little difference rotating out in two years and rotating out now. 1,000 additional troops won't be sufficient to win the day and there is no reason to continue in the Khandahar province without a greater commitment from NATO overall. Our current approach (with 1,000 extra troops) is a recipe for a stalemate at best and failure at worst. Sometimes it takes more courage to know when to quit than it does to continue. Without a much greater commitment by NATO, this is one of those times.
  3. Derek Holtom from Swan River, Canada writes: i don't know why I read these posts. Whenever someone says or does something someone doesn't agree with, posters on here tear them a new one. even if they sang their praises a day before
  4. rick from river city from Canada writes: Hillier realizes that we are there to help, not to govern. Afghanistan has their own government and they are not interested in imitating western democracies.
  5. ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada writes: Here's some informative background and context on this puppet regime's propensity for torture.

    'A figurehead, Hamid Karzai, was put in power. Real power, however, was held by the Communist-dominated Northern Alliance. Once the Northern Alliance took Kabul, the KhAD, rechristened NDS, was quickly re-established. The old Communist torturers and war criminals went back into business.'

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/06/1011/

    'The reborn Afghan Communist Party is again a dominant influence in Kabul, including running torture prisons to which Canada had, until recently, been sending captives. Canada is not being ennobled by this sordid, ugly, drug-fueled war. Its honour and reputation are being injured, its security endangered.'

    'Manley panel gets it wrong'
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/01/27/4796320-sun.html

    This the puppet regime that we sacrifice Canadian taxes and lives to help the Americans prop up - a Sharia-based regime that's about to execute a journalism student for downloading a report on women's rights from the internet:

    'The MP who proposed the ruling condemning Mr Kambaksh was Sibghatullah Mojaddedi, a key ally of Mr Karzai.'

    http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/31/6756/
  6. ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada writes: In May 2007, O'Connor said the incremental cost of the military operations in Afghanistan was $2.6B. In Nov. 2007, Mackay said the incremental cost of the military operation had jumped steeply to $3.1B. That means that over the first 5 years, the cost of the military operations was an average of $520 million a year, but under Harper it basically doubled last year to around $1 billion a year. At $1B a year, that's over $2.7 million of Canadian taxpayer money that's gone every 24 hours, 365 days a year, into the financial drain that is the war in Afghanistan.

    Before Harper took over, we lost only 8 soldiers in Afghanistan over 4 years, an average of 2 per year. Under Harper's watch, that rate has shot up 17-fold with 70 soldiers killed in Afghanistan since he took office 2 years ago. That's an average of one killed every 10 and a half days.

    That's $28.75 million of Canadian taxpayer money and one Canadian life gone every 10 and a half days.

    All this to help the US of A prop up a corrupt US-installed puppet regime that tortures, that would have executed a man for converting to Christianity were it not for international outcry, and that is now about to execute a man for downloading a report on women's rights.
  7. Slippery Slope from Canada writes: Boy, Don't they look comfortable together in the picture.
  8. Ricky for a Centrist Canada from Canada writes:
    What a shock - Hillier endorses torture just like his boss.

    Heck, he doesn't wanna get fired, after all.
  9. Matthew Thiesen from Vancouver, Canada writes: Well, Harper unplugged or should I say ungagged Hillier and so now he's going to be a cheerleader for the mission and try to get the support for it that the politicians seem unable to do. No surprise here. I hope Hillier knows what he is doing.
  10. Ron Pacific from Victoria, Canada writes: 'You're doing a heck of a job . . . . ' Wow! I see we are just giving them a taste of freedom!
  11. Tom Norton from Phnom Penh, writes: Ralph Goodale and Bob Rae....WOW...OK guys...pretend you are running Afghanistan. The economy is down the tubes. Crazies are everywhere with guns and attitude. Your neighbours are hiding their own crazies that you can't chase, but who can come racing out at you. Half your country is run by men who have no interest in you at all and if they could find a tank, might race into your capital and help you make an alternate ... when are you going to do something about health care support in the south???????

    Where do we find these guys???? How do we stop them from being a public embarassment ?????
  12. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: The atmosphere was tense in the Ministry of Propaganda. Harper slumped in his throne, mirror in one hand, Timbits in the other. He rolled the Timbits in his palm while gazing at his reflection. The caucus waited for the dear leader to speak. Harper: “There’s space. WE are sure. Who will dispute me?” As he talked, Harper stared at his mirror. There was silence. Harper: “ ‘kay. Get my dress uniform, medals, and send in the Royal photographer”. With the prospect of adding a photo to the Hall of Harper, the PM’s mood lifted. The caucus relaxed, but remained silent. Harper, gazing into his mirror: “WE are feeling hungry. Who will bring me food?” The caucus exploded with “Me, choose ME”. Harper made them wait for a torturous few seconds then chose his most competent and trusted Minister: Stockwell Day. Harper: “This Greek business has given me cravings. Stockwell – bring me baklava!” Day: “Bala WHAT???” Harper: “Baklava, NOW! WE are famished and the wait TORTURE”. Day ran out, confused. Mackay: “Speaking of Torture, you think we could say a few things publicly?” Harper exploded in fury, cutting off Mackay. “WE do not wish to speak of torture. WE do not think my subjects care about torture. WE are hungry” Mackay: “What’s with the “WE” business – U goin’ crazy on us again?” Mackay stopped. Had he really said what he was thinking out loud?? Harper kicked Mackay viciously in the groin, then pummelled him with weak palm slaps. After Harper was spent, he went back to his throne and slumped, rolling his Timbits. Mackay lay in a fetal position whimpering. Suddenly the door burst open and Stockwell walked in with a box of woollen ski masks. He was chewing on one. Stockwell: “These Greek desserts taste woolly. I don’t like balaclava. My mouth tastes itchy like I WANT to be waterboarded” Harper slumped further into his chair muttering “he is the best we have. WE are finished...”
  13. Ron Pacific from Victoria, Canada writes: I will say this. We have no right now to criticize the Americans for what they are doing in Iraq.
  14. martha stewart from Canada writes: They changed the photo. Now it looks like there's an airplane flying straight toward him while he looks the other way. Perfect.
  15. steve allan from Welland, Ontario, Canada writes: This guy is a national disgrace. The first order of business for the next government will be to fire this fascist. The government decides on our foreign policy, not some two-bit Patton wannabe.
  16. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: This was a pretty stupid statement by Hillier. If he actually wants this mission to be extended, the timing is about as poor as it could possibly be. He could make this statement after the vote but by making it before the vote, he maximizes the probability that the LPC will vote against the mission. One has to wonder to what extent he was speaking independently or merely speaking words that the government put in his mouth. Hillier is, supposedly, an expert in media relations. He recognizes the importance of manipulating public opinion. The timing is about as bad as it could get because he effectively eliminated the potential for a compromise position. Dion was about to move the LPC towards moving for a position whereby the mission essentially continued as is under the guise of a training mission. By backing Dion into a corner he is gambling that the LPC will split their vote on this. However, the LPC increasingly recognizes that a split vote only harms their position in the eyes of the electorate. Any increase or maintenance of the latest poll results showing a slight LPC lead (ignore the Ipsos-Reid because of their lack of consistency with other pollsters--see www.nodice.ca) will increase the likelihood that they will vote as a block regardless of the presence of factions within the party. I thought Hillier was smarter than this. It makes more sense that this speech was dictated by the government as it is more consistent with the Harper approach.
  17. Jerry Cutler from Delta, BC, Canada writes:
    'We're not there to cover things up, we're not there to cover up for some guy who's corrupt. We're not there to cover up for some guy who's allowing beatings to go on in a private jail,' Mr. Rae said.

    I hate to tell you, Bob, but in Afghanistan things ain't quite like they are in Ontario.

    Oh, and another thing, you really need to get out a bit more, your left-wing stupids are showing.
  18. martha stewart from Canada writes: Jerry Cutler writes: 'We're not there to cover things up, we're not there to cover up for some guy who's corrupt... ' Mr. Rae said.

    I hate to tell you, Bob, but in Afghanistan things ain't quite like they are in Ontario.

    ---------------------------------------------

    Actually they do cover up a lot of corruption in Ontario, and even more in Quebec of course.
  19. ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada writes: More on the corrupt US-installed puppet regime that Canadian lives are being sacrificed to prop up:

    'Izzatullah Wasifi, the government of Afghanistan's anti-corruption chief had a criminal record in the US and was arrested at Caesars Palace on July 15, 1987, for selling 650 grams (23 ounces) of heroin. Prosecutors said the drugs were worth $2 million on the street. Wasifi served three years and eight months in prison.'

    - Associated Press, Mar.8, 2007

    'The list of those suspected of involvement in the drug trade reaches high into Karzai's government.

    Nyamat [a former intelligence agent] and an Afghan trafficker singled out Gen. Mohammed Daoud, a former warlord who is Afghanistan's deputy interior minister in charge of the anti-drug effort.

    The Kunduz trafficker said he wasn't worried. He counts Daoud as one of his connections. Late in the summer of 2003, he said, Daoud helped him retrieve heroin worth $200,000 that had been seized at the Salang Tunnel.'

    - Los Angeles Times, May 29, 2005

    Meanwhile, the student facing execution right now may be in that position because his brother, a journalist, has written articles 'in which he accused senior public figures, including an MP, of atrocities, including murders.'
  20. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes: What would the Prince of Promises (Layton) do?
    What would Dion
  21. Jean Malice from Calgary, Canada writes: Nice photo: looks like the plane is crashing on the general...
  22. spicydoc can never support Dion from PM Iggy in 2010, Canada writes:

    The usual Harper-haters spew the same old same old.

    Hey guys, can't you at least cut and paste a little something from the article in question? You won't sound so stupid, IMHO.

    From the article I gleaned this--Hillier doesn't give a rat's bum about the 'Buckler Burp'. I thought that Buckler's faux-pas was a big sign of the hatred between Hillier and the PMO. Sounds like he's cool with it.

    Hillier is doing a fantastic job--Canadians should be proud of his candor.

    Instead, the lefties attack this wonderful general's character. Why? To try to score a few points with people that already hate Harper.

    Luckily, Iggy and Rae will find a way to make Dion toe the Manley line, and Hillier and the rest od the CF can get on with their excellent work.
  23. True North from Canada writes: Ask the torturers if they are torturing and they will say no, nothing to see here.
  24. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: Hillier is doing a fantastic job of representing the Conservative Party. He's paid to represent all of us, but there's no doubt who he works for. Under his guidance the Canadian Forces have become the Conservative Forces. Politicization of the military is extremely dangerous for Canada. He should either shut up or be fired.
  25. p m from Canada writes: three rum and cokes? that's a english/canadian winter drink!! He should be drinking cuba libras in that part of the world.

    Give him four and see what he says then!
  26. spicydoc can never support Dion from PM Iggy in 2010, Canada writes:

    Udom--

    Do a little homework then tell me who is behind Hillier's rise to the top spot.

    Then apologize to the CPC and go away. There's another thread about how the LPC-darling Tamil Tigers just blew up a busload of innocent people. They need people like you over there to post about how wonderful the TT really are.

    Get to it.
  27. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    My comment at 2:42 Eastern has been altered and I suppose censored by GM. Freedom of speech GM style. We can comment on anything except: The Middle East/ Liberal wrongdoing/ Judaism/ Latimer probation anyway.. I suppose Canadians have to wait for a huddle of Layton (Prince of Promise) Iggy-Dion and now Rae to decide what is the righteous way for Canada to proceed.
    It appears that Rae thinks they no longer want to cover up corruption.... but he is the new guy in town ... he can't relate to the old Liberals.
  28. Mark Lanovaz from B.C., writes: Goodale should pack it in.
  29. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: General Hillier? How about Field Marshal Hillier?
  30. Zacarihia Smith from Canada writes: 'I was on the beach in the Dominican Republic. I had a little break, and I heard about that, and, can I say this without everybody beating up on me across Canada? I was on my third rum and Coke, and I really didn't give a damn.'
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    When do you give damn there ricky boy?What a stupid thing to say. Very
    Macarthor of you.. An American trained Newfie on typical rum and cokes who don't give a damn?The guy who wanted to kill all them scumbags just don't give a damn?The guy who got us in Kandahar cause ya wanted some action?Who is running this nut house?This gets more stupid by the day.Fire him.Laytons right.
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  31. mr. slave from guelph, Canada writes: Ok lefties, we give up and you are now needed to go over there and run the show. In fact I don't feel like working anymore and you have to run things here too. Of course , since it is mostly righties that work and pay taxes ,you may have some problems with cash flow, but what does that matter , you seem to be all-knowing in fighting wars and running this country.
  32. wayne ouellette from Canada writes: While the liberals and ndp are struggling to take votes from each other and attention seekers like denis cordere and pat martin fight for the podium, Canada is fighting a war. These wannabees are nothing short of an embarassment to Canada. Clearly the leadership void in these parties is allowing the growth of further incompetence.
  33. James Young from Brantford, Canada writes: From where I sit about all the Military is doing in Khandahar is putting on a nice show at the Ramp Ceremonies. Bagpipes playing and a nice send off from some poor sod killed in an accident either from a roadside bomb, or rolling over in some vehicle.

    I would sooner the troops came home, and occupied Hans Island to keep the Danes out. They might as well be holed up there as being holed up at Fort Stephen in Khandar. This 'Mission to Afghansitan' is truly Harper's War.

    Durgan.
  34. Todd Spencer from Crocus City, Canada writes:

    Anybody care what sort of weight this carries?

    In Afghanistan?
    Amongst the locals?
    I don't believe Liberals care about foreign policy.

    They have no stand.

    They are morally ambivalent.

    Moral ambivalence is evil.

    Liberals are evil.
  35. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: If it is up to the Afghanis to torture or not to torture, thn the question is: what are Canadians there for?

    Can we Canadians get some questions answered in the House?
  36. janfromthe bruce from Canada writes: We are not at 'war' as our govt never voted to go to 'war' and the Taleban never attacked Canada nor the US.

    We are not in Afghanistan to bring democracy and freedom and the rule of law, if so, we would not supporting a corrupt Afghanistan govt who has human rights criminals, drug warlords in high official places.

    We are not in Afghanistan to allow little girls to go to school and bring women's rights forward, or we would have intervened when the new afghanistan govt enacted Sharia law just like the previous Taleban govt. ALSO we would be intervening in the death penality of the young man who downloaded women's rights information from the internet.

    The allegation against the torturer GOVERNOR is not an allegation and no matter that Hillier is trying to put doubt in our minds, we don't change our prisoner exchange unless we have concrete evidence - full stop.

    Quit manufacturing consent of the people - western propaganda - this is disgusting. Get out and unlike Hillier, I do give a damn!
  37. Todd Spencer from Crocus City, Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins, here's a question.

    They're is a genocide in the Congo, as we speak.
    Should we intervene or let them die?

    You, being a Liberal weiner, would let them die.

    Me, being an enlightened CPC supporter would fully recommmend we intervene.
    Do you see the difference between me and you?

    You, the socially progressive would let millions die.

    Me, the conservative would intervene to save millions.

    Get our of my way.

    YOU'RE DANGEROUS.
  38. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: 'Me, the conservative would intervene to save millions.'

    What percent of 'conservatives' would back you up in your view ? 2 % ? 1 % ?
  39. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Todd Spencer, you're a wiener and a dolt. Get out of your way? Knock yourself out saving millions from genocide in the Congo. What's taken you so long to find them?

    Good to know that you'll be lobbying your leader to leave Afghanistan people to self-govern and will be bringing Canada's New Government-type leadership to the Congo. The Congo?

    Todd. It might be time to get your pa to order a new set of Encyclopedia Britannica.

    Modern conveyances can deliver within three weeks. Saving the people of the Congo, priceless. Be all you can be, Todd. Where were you when Afghanistan called?
  40. David Bakody from Dartmouth, Canada writes: Now let's rattle our memories here, Donald Rumsfelt and Washington support Iraq and Saddam Hussian and the Bushes dance with Saudis and EXon Moble reports billions in profits. AND Defence Contractors are swimming in taxpayers goverment approved contracts.........while Harper and Hillier praise people who stand the most to make the most. hmmmmmmmm
  41. Catherine S. from Canada writes: Did the lefties ever consider the fact, that should NATO leave Afghanistan, many, many more Afghanis would be tortured and killed under the Taliban?

    Oh yeah Jack Layton and Stephane Dion would 'negotiate' with the proven torturers and killers of women, the Taliban. But, that's OK, because it's their idea.
  42. Har Har from Canada writes: I wonder how the troops in Afghanistan feel about him being on a beach sipping rum and cokes while they're over there dieing for him.
  43. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Did the righties ever really care about Afghanistan or is it all about money?

    If the righties cared about Afghanis, then they wouldn't be supporting mayors and military folk running private prisons where they rape and torture to their heart's content, would they?

    Get some Todds in there, all will be well and millions will be saved.

    The world needs some more right Todds.

    .
  44. The Duffster from Canada writes: Har Har from Canada writes: 'I wonder how the troops in Afghanistan feel about him being on a beach sipping rum and cokes while they're over there dieing for him.'

    ALL members of the CF get vacation time to do with what they see fit.

    The troops in Afghanistan new they could get into that when they enlisted.

    Fool!
  45. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Sure, Catherine, soon as Canadians leave Afghanistan, the mayors and generals will break out into torturing a wider spectrum of people they don't like to see living.

    Spare me scare me.
  46. The Duffster from Canada writes: When are all of the individuals who label those who support the deployment as warmongers and hiding behind the safety of their keyboards while encouraging them to sign up, going to put their money where their mouths are and crawl out from behind their keyboards and go join a foreign aid group and get over there themselves? I mean, if military use isn't the solution then that must be. Surely you're not the cowards you take us to be?
  47. Cryin Outloud from Canada writes: Hillier/Harper/MacKay/Karzi/Khalid...Birds of a feather.

    From the article: ''Second, with respect to the governor of Kandahar, let us not forget that this is an individual appointed by the sovereign elected government of Afghanistan.''

    Not unlike the Hamas leader in Palestine that the Harper Party decided was so awful that they would just starve the Palestinines.

    From the article: ''I was on the beach in the Dominican Republic. I had a little break, and I heard about that, and, can I say this without everybody beating up on me across Canada? I was on my third rum and Coke, and I really didn't give a damn.''

    I wonder how many of our troops were wishing they could say the same thing? When you support torture Hillier you get what you ask for.
  48. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Probably about the same time as the Duffster can put a coherent sentence together.

    War is not the answer! Stay in school.
  49. The Duffster from Canada writes: A few short days ago Hillier was the anti-Harper hack's 'golden child' as he had supposedly tore a strip off Harper.

    Today he's a Harper/Bush lackey who supports torture.

    If it means being denied a chance to whine, the flip-flopping anti-Harper hacks couldn't pick a side and stick with with it if their lives depended on it.
  50. The Duffster from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: 'Probably about the same time as the Duffster can put a coherent sentence together.

    War is not the answer! Stay in school.'

    So if war is not the answer then take your own advice, join an NGO group and get your a$$ over there and see what difference that`ll make.

    Lead by example.
  51. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Duffster. I saw this on the train today. Maybe you can decipher it:

    U R Sofa King We Todded
  52. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Duffster..... don't bother with Mrs. Whiggins.... I'm sure her contributions to NGO etc. would be exactly what she contributes to these threads.... NADA.

    Oh and Whiggy... how often do you have to be told we aren't at 'war'. fool.
  53. Rusty Waters from Canada writes: I can't see how Hiller and Harper can sleep at night knowing they are responsible for lost of life of Canadian soldiers for no reason.
    Why are Canadians killing people in Afghanistan. The Canadian people want to know.
  54. The Duffster from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: ``Duffster. I saw this on the train today. Maybe you can decipher it:

    U R Sofa King We Todded``

    A description of you in seven words or less.
  55. Mister G from Canada writes: I just love this guy. He doesn’t sugar coat anything and tells it like it is. I don't understand why there are so many m0rr0ns in here who don't like it. What should I expect from a bunch of hyp0grits and NDP surrender m0nkeys.
  56. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Mister G;

    It's quite simple really. If the Liberals were in charge..... all would be good.

    Cheers
  57. L.B. MURRAY from Canada writes: Bottom line is this : our CANADIAN TROOPS ARE STUCK IN KANDAHAR.

    Kandahar, the most dangerous region in all of Afghanistan, where no other countries want to go.

    Thanks General Hillier for making it very clear that Kandahar is a combat zone.

    Thanks General Hillier for making it very clear that Canada cannot get another country to take its place in Kandahar (for example, sending our troops up to Kabul while the Germans come down to Kandahar).

    How MANY ROTATIONS for our brave Canadian troops who will have to go back to Kandahar? How many times ? What for?? Will it get easier on that direct route from Pakistan where the Taliban keep coming from??

    How much more blood and treasury will Canada spend on that bottomless pit where SHARIA LAW is the order of the day, a corrupt government runs the place and there's ever more poppy growing leading to our Western world being inundated with Heroin.

    Canada has done far, far more than it's fair share for Mr Bush. Ms Rice and Mr Bush tell us ''our thoughts and prayers are with Canada''...

    No thank you.
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  58. Mister G from Canada writes: Rusty Waters from Canada writes: I can't see how Hiller and Harper can sleep at night knowing they are responsible for lost of life of Canadian soldiers for no reason.
    Why are Canadians killing people in Afghanistan. The Canadian people want to know. ---------------------------

    Where have you been in the last 5 years that you don't know why the Canadian forces are in Afghanistan? Are you that uninformed or not bright enough to understand.
  59. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: 'I was on the beach in the Dominican Republic.....'

    Was he waiting for the Taliban navy to show up?
  60. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: We've had a breakthrough! Loucks has perceived that Canada is NOT at WAR. Who'da thunk it, eh?

    No need no more of other people's children killing or dying. Hallalujah! And all men.

    Oh d-d-d-dear dear dear. It seems that the breakthrough was short-lived, as Louks will continue to desire death to those he will not trust his own God to smite in his own God's good time.
    .
  61. pants 7 from Japan writes: The entire adventure in Afghanistan is a big cock up. We need some frank discourse about the situation and how to get out of it. The Karzai government is corrupt to the core. He is disliked and driving people, in droves, into opposition. You don't read much about the protests against his government and people chanting 'Death to Karzai' but they do happen and the regular people are at their wit's end.
    Karzai's little brother, very influential in the provincial council, controls the poppy trade in Kandahar and is making millions smuggling weapons.
    About the only real reconstruction that has taken place is the building of opulent homes on seized land, for members of the Karzai government.
    If Canadian soldiers are dieing to protect the corrupt Karzai government and the drug trade its a crying shame.
    Instead of just mumbling 'support the troops' Canadians should be screaming 'get us out of there!'
    If Canada insists on staying, we need to put our boots down and cut off the problem at the top.
  62. Anuradha Bose from ottawa, writes: What is with the good general? He praises thugs.
  63. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Letters are not words, Duffster. Get yer pa to put a rush on your new books. And ask for a counting book, just to be on the safe side...
  64. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: The Tories are STILL mad that Canada didn't send troops to Iraq.
  65. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Check it out. Canada's banks are bringing in Sharia law. Anything for the Almighty.... dollar.

    The only thing that any religion, country or sociology respects: cold, hard cash.
  66. Marzia jan from hamilton, Canada writes: Canada the perfect! we look down on evryone, especialy a country like afghniastan that saw only war and poverty for 30years. so now we expect them to be like us, perfect. no other west nation has this condensending atitude. no other country is so imature. we are really a small power or are we going to grow up? and the guy who says IAMACANDIAN, stop reading rawa BS and leftist revision of history, if you say such stupid thing to afghan they will laugh to you. rawa is a pakistani inteligence fornt to atack some anti pakistanian groups. you realy know little and talk big. you say northen aliance group is communist. do you know that they fight against russia and communist for 12 year. what are you talkign about. ignorance is bad
  67. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: Message to General Hillier: The anti government, anti military, anti CDS and anti anything else that comes into their warped minds have only one adbantage over you sir: They can kisss your rear end and you can't.

    Hang in there General, you are the man for the job. We loyal Canadians and your loyal troops are indeed blessed beyond mere words.
  68. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: So Whiggy.... who exactly did we declare war on???

    Fool.

    Come back when you have something intelligent to say....
  69. A B from Calgary Area, Canada writes: Yikes... CON-BORG MacKay and The General supporting an alleged torturer.... Well, we know that El Presidente Steve had words with both of these guys, and Steve wrote the script, and warned them to stay on it.

    Except for the Rum and Coke and the 'I don't give a damn'... Harpler is going to hit the roof over that off-script remark.

    Glug, Glug, Glug.... The Good Ship HMCS 'StevieHarplerLiedAboutIncomeTrusts' is tendering salvage opportunities.
  70. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: pants 7, but what will all the Canadian war-mongerers retire on? Harper's got a friend in Kharzai: andhe's got a picture bolted to the stone walls of Parliament to prove it. Karzai is a great friend of Harper's Conservatives. Taken away from the teat prematurely might damage them forever... or at least make an ugly dent in their retirement portfolios.
  71. Chris Young from Newfoundland, Canada writes: Gen. Rick Hillier comments about his recent holiday in the Dominican Republic reminds me of chorus to the old song, originally done by Lord Invader, that seems to describe Hillier's lot in life as ' Drinking Rum and Coca-cola ........ working for the Yankee dollar.
  72. forty sum from Canada writes: It is time to get the troops out, any country with a lick of sense does not want to put troops into the fight. It has already cost Canada too much in soldiers lives and money. The bullsxxt and lies of the Harper government leaves no room for trust. Hillier does not have a choice in Afghanistan, if he wants more new equipment he will have to follow the party line, if he wants to keep his job he will have to follow the party line. Harper, Mckay, and of all people Hillier knows about the torture going on, they also know that Karzai and his ruling warlords will do whatever they want to their prisoners.
  73. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: Har har (another childish alias, ashamed of his real name) You ask what the roops think about the General sipping rum on a beach. My guess is they are saying something like: 'Good idea. I think I'll do that on my own next well deserved leave'
  74. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: BTW, Hillier, and anyone previous and in future in his job, has only three years before being replaced. That is the nature of the position. Do not hang your hat on Hillier: the position he holds is transitory by legislation. He'll be gone soon, as the law requires.
  75. chris jenkins from Free the West, BC, Canada writes: Two observations:
    - All the Lefties are saying we have no right to be in Afghanistan telling them how to live and pushing our Western ideals on them, while at the same time saying we should be demanding a standard of prisoner conditions that are better than the jail conditions that currently exist here in Canada.

    - The G&M could care less about anything in Afganistan, their agenda is strictly getting the Liberals elected so that Ontario can regain their stranglehold on the rest of us in Canada.
  76. The Duffster from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes:

    'Letters are not words, Duffster. Get yer pa to put a rush on your new books. And ask for a counting book, just to be on the safe side...'

    I interpreted your 'sentence' pretty quickly Whiggins.

    But if I wrote what the actual spelling of the word was you and every other kool-aid drinking pablum eating fool on these boards would have been flooding the threads (more than usual) about what an intolerant mean-spirited bunch the Cons are.

    I also wrote it was as a description of you in SEVEN WORDS OR LESS.

    SIX IS LESS THAN SEVEN.

    When that new counting book comes in I'll have it redirected to you.
  77. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Fret none or very little Louks; I'll ask Duffster to order you some reading comprehension books while he's updating his own library. Or, you could take Arthur's advice and come to learn on you own:

    'Having fun isn't hard when you have a library card!'
  78. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: WTG Jenny! Say it! What's a little torture, eh? So what? Nothing to a big outfit like your and yours. It will never happen to you, right? You know why? Because you'll stay home, that's why. You'll stay home and keep your kids home, and continue to live in a country where you expect OTHER PEOPLE's CHILDREN to fight to support a country that condones 'a little torture', your words.

    Do you ever consider there might come a time where other people won't be sticking up for you and yours? Do you ever consider what kind of country you and yours would be living in should that happen?

    Likely not.
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  79. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Duffster, please take my advice and get someone to proofread your missives for cohesiveness and completion. You are dangling your participles all over the place and it is becoming embarrassing.
  80. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Do you ever consider there might come a time where other people won't be sticking up for you and yours? Do you ever consider what kind of country you and yours would be living in should that happen? .......................................................................................................... Mrs. Whiggins or Dion or Layton or whatever your name is. That is exactly why our troops are in Afghanistan, fighting for the Afghani children, your children and mine so that what you are saying can happen here, won't happen here and will stop there. Some do see the big picture. And cudos to a great General Hillier.
  81. NWT Knifer from Yellowknife, Canada writes: it is time to realize that no were in the article do they mention the real cause of all the problems in Afganistan ?

    And that is IRAN they are meddling in the affairs of free counrty!

    We should stand by our American Allies and do something about them!

    A victory in Iran will solve the problem in Afgnistan and all so give our beloved PM the Majority he needs to take Canada into the Future. Do you think President MH will deal with a Canada that is not under the PC's
  82. More Information Required from Canada writes: The LPC crowd here are now asking are we at 'War'. maybe they should take a look at Chretian's speach in October of 2001 when he said one of our allies go attacked soe that means we have been attacked. He then had me sent to Afghanistan for six months. Did Paul Martin ask Parliment to send the CF for a combat roll? Naw cant see that anywhere. How about what were the liberals doing with the detainees they too had under their reign? Maybe you can find Eggleton or Graham. How about who put that damn Hillier in his job? Oh yeah Liberals did. There are far too many of you arrogant, seemly overeducated fools who sit back here and stroke your egos pontifcating with google and the cut and paste mode in full force. As a recently medically release member of the CF who has been to Afghanistan I am telling you I am discusted. If you sign off on taking the military out of there you have no right to send them anywhere else to face this day by garbage that eminates out of places like this when you wont even take responsiblity for what you have done in the first place. Now I am going to put on my 65 thounsand dollar prosthetic leg your taxpaying dollars paid for. Thanks for the memories... cowards.
  83. The Duffster from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: 'Duffster, please take my advice and get someone to proofread your missives for cohesiveness and completion. You are dangling your participles all over the place and it is becoming embarrassing.'

    Is that all you are capable of now - correcting and name-calling? Isn't that what you and your peers like to accuse us Cons of when you say we are losing the argument?

    Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: 'WTG Jenny! Say it! What's a little torture, eh? So what? Nothing to a big outfit like your and yours. It will never happen to you, right? You know why? Because you'll stay home, that's why. You'll stay home and keep your kids home, and continue to live in a country where you expect OTHER PEOPLE's CHILDREN to fight to support a country that condones 'a little torture', your words.'

    ONCE AGAIN WHIGGINS, when are YOU going to show us how brave YOU are and sign up with an aid organisation to go and make a difference?
  84. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Paul Byers, you also should take remedial English, or some sort of leaning in the language you are most comfortable expressing in.

    NWT Knife: Bush's sunset desire is taking down Iran, Harper took out a NYT page all about how he wanted to take down Iraq. All of them, country and persons, are out to lunch. Bush hanged Saddam. Did it make a difference? Who does Harper want to hang? Kharzai? Not likely. Who will Canada execute?

    When will Harper stand up to Pakistan? Remember, Harper wanted 'democratic' elections to carry on, nevermind that the best leader had been assassinated only two days before. Sure, Harper is all about free people.
  85. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: Mrs Whiggins: There's a real monicker. Not only ashamed to use his own name, he is ashamed of his gender.
  86. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Duffster, what in my correspondence makes you think I am not doing just what you advise? Again, cohesiveness and conciseness makes for good communication. You may in fact be learning. You are making a good effort. Keep up the good work!

    It's amazing what an ordinary human can do, especially without a 'little torture' to make him or her snap to!

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  87. Canada at the Crossroads from Kingston, Canada writes:

    Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Paul Byers, you also should take remedial English, or some sort of leaning in the language you are most comfortable expressing in.

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    Is it good form to end a sentence with a preposition?
  88. Paul Byer from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins I see why you have trouble with your own name. You have trouble with everyone elses as well. Ever think of an operation?
  89. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Don't bother with Whiggins.... he/she is just one of those Taliban posting from somewhere in Pakistan... they saw the Simpsons once but couldn't figure out how to spell Wiggums.... as in chief... as in fool.
  90. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Pardon my seppling mistake; good form is not what we're aiming at in this lesson: communication is key.

    Is that all you have to contribute to this discussion today, Crossroads?
  91. Mr. Dion Canada and the mideast need Mr. Rae a seasoned statesmen on this file from Canada writes: OMAR EL AKKAD

    From Thursday's Globe and Mail

    January 3, 2008 at 12:07 AM EST

    A specially created team of military officers played a key role in severely limiting what the Canadian public was allowed to know about the country's role in Afghanistan.

    Originally created to assist an investigation into the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan, the new team – codenamed Tiger Team – quickly came to scrutinize virtually every public access to information request dealing with the Afghan mission, according to documents obtained by The Globe and Mail.

    Free vacations to a new banana republic generalissimo . Please somebody answer one question ?* Who does the Tiger Team report directly to ?*
  92. NWT Knifer from Yellowknife, Canada writes: Our troops should have been in iraq from day one..That is why we should never allow the libs back in power.

    This Tuesday Mike huckabee will move one step closer to the White house. We need a gov't up here that can work with him .
  93. The Duffster from Canada writes: Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: 'Duffster, what in my correspondence makes you think I am not doing just what you advise? Again, cohesiveness and conciseness makes for good communication. You may in fact be learning. You are making a good effort. Keep up the good work!'

    So then, tell us where you are posting from then - show us it's not from the safety of your own living room, parent's basement or whatever.

    All you can do is dismiss More Information's post with a wave of your hand and correct him. What's wrong - afraid cohesiveness and conciseness may lead to good communication with him and you may discover that he indeed was there?
  94. Not the Alliance from In my opinion, The Harper Gov't is totally Incompetent, but it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault., Canada writes: Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: 'Mrs Whiggins: There's a real monicker. Not only ashamed to use his own name, he is ashamed of his gender. ' Gerry - there's really no polite way to say this, but why don't you Shut the F up about monickers? Your's could be as fake as anybody else - if you're not going to post your name, phone number, address there's no way to prove otherwise. And since you're so critical, why don't you turn your attention to people like Michael Sharp/Todd Spencer? How strange and deceptive is that? How many other people - yourself included are using totally fake names? There's no way to tell, is there. This all relates to why you're such a rabid Harper supporter. I think you KNOW it's a gov't that loves deception, yet you stick to the argument that only the other side is deceptive. You gloss over all the 'monickers' of the rabid Harper supporters, yet you focus on the monickers of people who post views that oppose the official cult view. In short, you're a Harper moonie. Harper is displaying all the symptoms of an unbalanced person. He solves dissension by making the dissenter disappear. He surrounds himself with spineless yes-men who tell him what he wants to hear. He makes a room full of pictures to convince himself of his own greatness. He makes obvious lies and assumes nobody notices. He is a disaster in the making. And you're part of the problem.
  95. Mrs. Whiggins from Canada writes: Ooooh Gerry Prankhurts. Did you feel you were pranked by a boy? Would that be better for you? I couldn't care less one way or the other what you felt be it by a male or a female, I only care that it was good for you either way. Was it good for you, Gerry? After all, that's all the really matters to you, isn't it? You naughty boy ;)
    • Posted 02/02/08 at 8:49