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Beijing evicts foreigners, sends in paramilitaries to quell dissent

GEOFFREY YORK

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 10:40 PM EDT 19/03/08

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  1. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Chinese will take this goden opportunity to clean up everything, they're waiting for this so long.
  2. Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: Yup, guns will blaze.

    Think about torture as you watch the blood-stained Olympics.
  3. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes: Well, no argument here, I don't want to get involved into that.

    I think Chinese are well prepared actually. They're non-comprimised, they know Tibetan will strike first, so they're waiting for it.

    This time they got enough evidence of violence crime scene, and they'll use it to solve all Tibet problem. West is extremely weak at this point so west can't do anything.
  4. George Hall from Canada writes: Why is Chinese Premier Wen not talking with the Dala Llama and ending this needless murder and destruction. In this day and age one needs to learn co operation and reconciliation.
    At this point Mr Wens' rule is too harsh and severe. I don't think he can be trusted especially expelling all foreigners.
    Does this mean the Olympic Games are off?
  5. George Hall from Canada writes: If Mr Wen and his axxociates want to see an evil spirit with a human face and the heart of a beast. he only neds to llok in a mirror and that is the truth.
  6. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    China will neve talk to Dalai unless he surrenders or begs for it. They don't trust him at all since Chinese suspect his CIA connection, which led to many blood shed in 1860s.

    This time the government got the full support domestically and in over-sea Chinese. It's the overwheleming support, so they won't do any comprimise.
  7. M F from Toronto, Canada writes: George Hall from Canada writes:

    'At this point Mr Wens' rule is too harsh and severe. I don't think he can be trusted especially expelling all foreigners. '

    Maybe Mr. Bush should start talking with Bin Laden and his followers for a negotiated peace in America and Afghanistan?
  8. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Chinese just wait (or force) Dalai to commit voilence first, that's all they need. Then they will strike ruthlessly.

    Tibetan mobs help them a lot, they're really mobs.
  9. Namys From Canada from Toronto, Canada writes: Canada must resolutely support China in its cracking down the Tibet terrorist independence movement. And why not? Canada supports Israel in its fights against Palestinian terrorists in their fight for independence. What's the difference between Israel and China? None whatsoever. Each pursue their national interests - hence, why apply double standards? Let's stop being hypocrites and let's be consistent.
  10. Gopal Indur from the beautiful, Canada writes: sometimes it is not sufficient to merely believe we are told by the news ..
    check out an interesting video,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

    In addition, it isn't definitely reasonable to assume that people should restore a middle-ages regime of monstrous clergy men.

    The religious fanatics usually are not really fighting for freedom, who perhaps could be real danger to both democracy and even communist.
  11. Vancouver Canadian from Vancouver, Canada writes: Sad sad times. I've read a lot of Chinese history and know that Tibet was once part of China, that the Chinese supported previous Dalai Lama's financially and till a 100 years ago, approved the choice of the Dalai... but the involvement in their affairs was minimal. As China was involved in a civil war from 1911 to 1949, it had little attention on Tibet. During this period Tibet had autonomy and its own government and currency etc. For all intents and purposes, Tibet was independent. In western society, if a state obtains Countryhood, or independence, the matter is considered settled. Not by chinese standards. If it was once part of their country they seem to think they have the right to take it over. It seems the Chinese are incensed about how the Japanese treated them... but it seems the oppressed become the oppressor. I cant imagine England saying... 'Canada, you were once part of our empire.... you have to renounce being a country because we believe in the one empire. ' Also, remember that the Chinese have been studying the 'Art of War' for centuries... they know exactly how to direct their efforts to control these matters. Or so they think... I think they got more than they bargained for with the winning of the Olympics... One thing I do know of is that the Chinese have flooded Tibet with more chinese thus diluting the Tibetan minority population and diminishing their culture. The only way the Chinese will free Tibet is if somehow they can save face....
  12. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    The struggle between Tibetan and Han went back 1500 years ago. Both know each other toooooo well, and you guys just don't understand. They're definately not peaceful people.

    Tibetans are extremely shrewd, they used to occupy half China. Inch by inch, Chinese pushed them back into mountains. Neither side will stop fighting, until the one totally gives up.

    We're near there.
  13. George Hall from Canada writes: Right on Vancouver Canadian there is no threat whatsoever to China in allowing Tibet specail status and would in fact enhance China as a whole...Premier Wen needs to show real leadership and show that communism can be flexible ...things that are not flexible wither die or brak apart
  14. North North from Canada writes: Mr. York, please use your brain, is this freedom of speech? is this the democracy that western want to spread ? Do you have any moral ..as a journalist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
  15. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Tibet has too many to do with the Chinese national identity, impossible for Chinese to give up.

    It's way more important than Kosove for Serbia.
  16. J PAN from Canada writes: Tibet became one part of China hundreds years before European set their first foot on the North American continent. Every Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama should be recognized by the central government of China before they sworn in, even the current Dalai Lama was recognized by the government of Republic of China (at that time ROC is the central government of China).
  17. A. L. from toronto, Canada writes: 'torture'? Do you know that DL and other monks only represent 5% of population of Tibetans, the rest of 95% are slaves, who suffered a lot from DL, and were tortured to death before 1950.

    I cannot deny the fact that DL was considered by west as a good man and faithful religious leader, but this cannot change the fact that he used to be the lord owning lots of slaves. Now he declares that he want democracy in Tibet, which china is lack of, did he ever apologized to his salves that died before 1950s.
  18. Joseph T from Victoria, Canada writes: Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: Yup, guns will blaze.

    Think about torture as you watch the blood-stained Olympics.

    >>Yup. Yup. The Tibetan rioters sure screwed up their little demonstration tactic, eh?
  19. George Hall from Canada writes: How on earth can you hold the olympic games when Mr Wen and his governent are killing and murdering the Tibetan people....destroying an entire culture.....there is no way the games should go on while this gtotally unnecessary genocide is occuring...it will be a black mark on all of humanity.
  20. Tom inCanada from Canada writes: Here is a little clip telling how 6 young girls (hans and tibetans) worked in a shop and 5 of them got killed by fire started by rioters. (the one survived is tibetan and she is telling the story)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZngrkgPVMV

    very sad.
  21. North North from Canada writes: Clark The Mighty, George Hall, I would like to hear your comments on this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas
  22. A. L. from toronto, Canada writes: To George Hall,
    you have to understand who is killing who in this riot. It's the so called peaceful monks who started the riot, it's the so called peaceful monks who started killing innocent people, just go to youtube to teach yourself a lesson.
  23. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    No political argument, I am tired of it.

    I quit.

    Tibetan troops sacked Chang'an, the Chinese capital of that time in Tang dynasty, occupied the whole west China, including today's Xingjiang. Subduing Tibet is one of the great glory of the empor in the past.

    No Chinese ruler can afford to let it go, no Chinese will agree. That's it.
  24. A. L. from toronto, Canada writes: North North from Canada,
    your video is block by youtube, funny, what a free speech.
  25. Suey Generous from Canada writes: 70 million dead a the hands of the PRC suggest things have not changed - iron fist rules in China

    democracy is dead
    love live the middle kingdom!
  26. D S from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: China can not possibly allow true autonomy for Tibet, especially in light of recent world events (Kosovo declaration of independence). Tibet would declare independence within a year, even if that is recognized by only a handful of states.

    However, this escapade can work very well in favour of China. All those CCTV security cameras were not put into Lhasa to catch petty criminals. There were certainly installed for capturing evidence of Tibetan violence, with the expectation that it was going to occur. Now, a few hundred violent youth have delivered to China what it had been coveting - video evidence dispelling the notion of Tibetan 'peaceful' resistance - and ruining it for every other Tibetan who may have been peaceful. Additional to having surfaced (and in the process of arresting) all the activist leaders, and thus ensuring a less confrontation games, other ethnic activists (Uyghurs, Muslims, etc) will certainly be more likely to contain themselves after seeing the harsh crackdown.
  27. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: If the Dalai Lama is so evil, so bad, hes been pretty bad at not very much violence for these 40 - 50 years? I don't get the talk here of saying that the 'Dalai Lama is so evil' when their have been such little violence from the Tibetans for these past few decades to show.

    If the Chinese want the Dalai Lama to 'step down' what if the Tibetans elect a leader whos got a knack for REAL VIOLENCE? I mean that doesn't seem to be a better option to me. I hope the PRC shows us a real 'PROGRESSION' of their behavior and deals with the issue in a mature manner, NOT like some pack of rabid animals - that would be REAL SIGN OF 'PROGRESS!!!....'
  28. North North from Canada writes: D S, sure you can wait that day to come,
  29. Larfing Outloud from Virgin Islands (British) writes: No truck or trade with the despicable bullies of beijing.

    Canada should not attend the upcoming games.
  30. Marcus T from Toronto, Canada writes: I am very disappointed with Mr. York and the G & M. Even I sitting thousands of miles away from Beijing has learnt last Sunday, March 15 that the Tibet Regional Government has order all foreign media personnel to temporary leave Tibet while the Government was trying to re-establish normalcy. It was all-over the Chinese Newspapers and newsnets. Moreover, again from the Chinese News media, the Tibet Regional Government discovered that, during and prior to the protests, a large amount of weapons and explosives were smuggled illegally into Tibet by the Dalai Lama people and obviously it has become a serious matter for the Government, which Must investigate it and rectify this very serious situation. It appears that I know quite a bit more about the situation in Tibet and Beijing than the G&M reporter by just reading the various newsnets from China and Hong Kong. It is normal for the Regional Government to send in Paramilitaries to quell dissent. The Chinese paramilitaries are just like the American National Guards; one of their major functions is to support the Regional Government to maitain order. In the case of Tibet, the Paramilitaries were there as soon as the protesters started fighting the police and killing other innocent people about a week ago. As far as I know, the situation in Tibet has beeen calm for the past four days. Of course, many of the paramilitaries are still in the Lhasa region to support the local police to maintain order. This is a week old, nothing new!! Now can anyone out there tell me why the reporter sent in this article??? Why the G&M print this article at all??? Are the editors gone banana by choosing such an inflammatory title?? People don't have to love China to be fair!!!
  31. Ed Robert from Canada writes: So what's next, India has sizable Tibetan population, maybe they would want independence also. Why don't everybody in the world just divide all the land along ethnic lines and race. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

    Timesonline.co.uk (in their world news section) is reporting bomb attack on Chinese police. It's the Chinese fault! If this is middle east, it would have been labeled as terrorism already. But in this case blame it on those trying to restore peace and order.

    What I want to know is why at the peak of violence, the Dalai Lama was asked if he would ask his people to stop, and he said no. Instead he play with word like 'Cultural genocide' and people with pea for brain started spreading 'oh no there's genocide going on, millions getting killed, oh no let's boycott the Olympic. China is reincarnation of Hitler.' It's Cultural genocide, like U.S. culture slowly taking over other countries culture.

    There's no questions Tibetans have been killed around 1950s and during their days of rebellion that was supported by CIA. But before the riot, Tibet's economy was improving. Are they saying they are starving and worse off than before the economic improvement?

    I don't believe in blaming TV for violence and stuff. But in this case, I blame Hollywood like Richard Gere for spreading falsehood about the Dalai Lama. Their idolatry of so called living god contribute to dumbing down of American. Unlike Brad Pitt (who unknowingly portrayed the Dalai Lama's tutor Henrich Harrer, a Nazi who joined Hitler's party voluntarily), Richard Gere practically worship the Dalai Lama like Tom Cruise worships Scientology.

    And for those who are outraged by police crackdown, I wish you have been equally outrage at the burning, stabbing and stoning to death of people whose only sin was that they were not Tibetans.
  32. Duart Maclean from Montreal, Canada writes: Now that the Chinese paramilitary are swarming Tibet, Tibetan blood will flow like a river..... but hey, we shouldn't let this interfere with the
    Olympics!

    Duart Maclean
  33. Steve Dahl from Concord, Canada writes: Tibetan are a simple nomadic people; they need education to adapt to 21st century world. Dalai Lama is a religious dictator. I hate when Tibetans treat him as almighty prostrating themselves in front of his picture as if everybody, except the Dalai Lama, is nothing. Tibetans, learn to live a free life, a life of your own choice, destiny and democracy. Chinese are giving you at least a chance to prosper, work with them and do not burn your bridges if some of you have a little common sense. I know Tibet was never a free country and never will be. Dalai Lama is a symbol of slavery and we can not have that in the 21st century.
  34. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Humane resolve, Tiananmen square or NANJING MASSACRE!

    Beijing what will you show the world dealing with the Tibet issue? Will it be 'REAL PROGRESS'

    The NANJING MASSACRE is still fresh, IS MURDER THE ONLY WAY? THE RIGHT WAY TO GET THE TIBETANS FOR BEING SO....SO....SO....UMMM...UN-CHINESE!.....SO TIBETAN ALL THESE YEARS!
  35. Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: If the Olympics are cancelled, the regime FALLS.
  36. Ed Robert from Canada writes: nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Humane resolve, Tiananmen square or NANJING MASSACRE!

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    Ahhh, Nanjing massacre was perpetrated by Japanese during World War II.

    Here's some accurate Historical facts about Tibet.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rql5wjKhzZM&NR=1
  37. H Chu from Canada writes: Yikes, the rape of Nanking was one of Japans atrocities.

    The PRC has plenty of its own to live up to as well.
  38. Ed Robert from Canada writes: And you wonder why they would not let western journalist in?

    Here's from a blog:
    http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/

    One commentator said the Chinese officials tried to be 'open' on the first day. As such, some western reporters and visitors were allowed to stay and China's state-owned CCTV proactively released footage of the riot (which was rare to the Chinese standard).

    However, when they found that all outside reportage has completely been biased against China after the first day, they decided to ask all foreigners to leave.

    also check out the video there of CTV reporter in China saying Chinese showed great restrain.
  39. Erick D from ottawa, Canada writes: I thin that western media has been one of the reason escalating the riots expanded from Lhasa to other areas:
    http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200803/news-gb2312-546438.html
  40. Rangzen Bhu from Toronto, Canada writes: Dear PAN :

    What history you are talking about. Chinese boundary is at Great Wall. That is Chinese frontier.

    Fourteen Dalai Lama was not recognized by RoC. There were representative from British India, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and RoC during the enthronement ceremony.

    As per your logic then the Dalai Lama should approved by all countries whose representatives were there.
  41. Ed Robert from Canada writes: Erick D from ottawa, Canada writes: I thin that western media has been one of the reason escalating the riots expanded from Lhasa to other areas:
    http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200803/news-gb2312-546438.html

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    It's true. They are so bias they are just adding fuel to the fire and indirectly encouraging them. Now they think the more innocent Chinese they killed, the more Western world will condemn China.
  42. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: 'NANJING MASSACRE! was the Japaneses doings'
    - Sorry ED ROBERT I know, I was attempting to be sarcastic.

    I wanted to point out that if we are really truly 'ADVANCED' 'PROGESSIVE' societies and not some 'backward people our selves.' Well then how on earth do we go about this Tibet issue? The 'NANJING MASSACRE!' should we learn from the Japanese and copy them? Would this be the 'ADVANCED' and 'PROGESSIVE' thing to do?

    I mean what is it that really makes us 'ADVANCED' societies? Our economic status or is it our HUMANITY, if not then what ED????
  43. Michael Jiang from Toronto, Canada writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhjCX4KIz4Q&eurl=http://www.backchina.com/newspage/2008/03/20/149688.shtml

    Take a look at the video and see how cruel these Tibetan mobs were. Very upset that the communist government cannot protect the people there. Those mobs should be gun down at site. Why should those innocent people die? For the stupid Olympics, the communists even do not want to take care of the people and the rule of law. What a shame!
  44. w w from Canada writes: Please see how western media make up their 'truth'. Is this the 'freedom of speech' what some of you claim?

    http://club.6park.com/bolun/messages/49644.html
  45. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Duart Maclean FROM MONTREAL,

    Well said! These aren't games, MEDIA SHOW ME GAMES! Culture, Shmulture! Its all foreign/GREEK to me! How dare the Tibetans get themselves shot at, at this time!
  46. D S from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: ...I mean what is it that really makes us 'ADVANCED' societies? Our economic status or is it our HUMANITY, if not then what ED????
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    How 'advanced' a society is, used to be measured by the amount of energy it consumes. Yeah, really wierd, within the context of our energy and global warming issues. It's probably different now - but that was a train of thought during my anthropology studies a few years ago.

    The term 'humanity' is far too subjective to be measurable, in my opinion. Each culture has it's own humanity meter - nations fight wars over it.
  47. H Chu from Canada writes:
    The US has Iraq, Russia has Chechnya now China joins in with Tibet. You all get on the medal podium for all the wrong reasons.
  48. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: 'NANJING MASSACRE!' was good for the Japanese, China should do the SAME! I know, I know the Chinese say it was 'BARBARIC' of Japan but China is a 'MODERN' 'ADVANCED' people right, isn't this what all 'MODERN' SOCIETIES DO?!?!?..... CHINA you have the 'POWER' why not COPY the NANJING MASSACRES on the un-Chinese Tibetans?
  49. tiffany fox from Canada writes: there is no justification for the massacre that is imminent no matter how many spins you want to put on it.

    i hope the people have some notice about what is coming so they may hide their women and children.

    shipping out all the witnesses (who 'matter')

    these olympics must also be boycotted along with the canadian olympics to be held on unceded native land
  50. Joseph T from Victoria, Canada writes: Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: If the Olympics are cancelled, the regime FALLS.

    >>Unlikely.
  51. Joseph T from Victoria, Canada writes: Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: I think it hurts Han males knowing that they are the most unattractive men on the planet.

    Buy a house and a car, get a date, eh boyz!

    >>Yup. And you are one of them Taiwan boy!
  52. Rangzen Bhu from Toronto, Canada writes: TO: Ed Robert from Canada

    Problems in Tibet were created by Chinese occupation and suppression of the Tibetan for the last 59 years.

    60% of Chinese landmass is stolen from minorities by Han Chinese who makeup 90% of the people. 25% of Chinese landmass belong to Tibet.

    Why should Tibetan live as second citizen in their own home and speak alien language in their daily lives.

    Why Tibetans are paid much less than Han Chinese fir the same job in Tibet.

    Why atheist Chinese have to interfere in religious affairs of monks and lay people.

    Why Tibetan are minority in their ownland.

    Why Tibetan are discriminated in their own land.

    Why Party secretary is always Han Chinese in Tibet.

    There are so many whyyyyyyyyy
  53. White Jade from Ireland writes: tsk, tsk, tsk, Clarky the Mite, still suffering from small man syndrome...how are the Palm sisters? did you try this site yet adultfriendfinder.com?
  54. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: You won't see this on CBC or CNN or BBC. Five girls (Tibetans and Han Chinese) who worked in a fashion store were killed after a mob of Tibetans lit up fire in the store.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZngrkgPVMVM
  55. Adam Masrshall from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me... or does it seem like the Chinese government, or government interests, are using the electronic media as a very potent propaganda tool with what's currently going on in Tibet?

    I have read some very misleading and confusing comments in this comment section, and in others such as the NYT, which I just get this 'feeling' are being submitted by very biased, non-public sources. Same with sites such as YouTube - where there are some very inflammatory and suggestive video's against the Tibetans, which very subtly confuse and obfiscate the issues in a very effective, but downright scary manner.

    I wonder why The Globe or other major news outlets don't pursue this tangent as a possible story? Sounds like a good one to me.... If true, then it would be real irony that the Chinese government is trying to manipulate public opinion via very democratic, liberal outlets such as media comment forums and public video file-sharing sites.

    The fact that the leader of China can publicly suggest to international news outlets that the Dalia Lama advocates violence - and that no media questions the validity of that statement - is absurd.
  56. White Jade from Ireland writes: The Chinese authorities have a right to restore law and order to protect the lives of innocent civilians and property from being vandalized by thugs, egged on by unemployed western activists.
  57. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: I guess Globe and Mail is just too 'right', ofcoz some of its readers are too 'right' as well.

    John Kenwood is a 19-year-old backpacker from Canada who flew into Kathmandu.

    Check the following too links to see how Globeandmail and TimesonlineUK quote this same guy's words. Totally two different stories.

    This is sick!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3578941.ece

    theglobeandmail.com
  58. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Ah yes here we go, no one allowed to witness the 'Purge' about to take place. Monks were on a slaughter - ya and must have provocated the peacefull soldiers. The truth will not be told, China controlls the truth - and don't bother sending links as the agents will close these down. This is closer to 1984 than Orwell ever dreamt. Though police are chasing China controls, and journalists are not allowed lest the soldiers shoot someone other than a Tibetan...what a shame, China returns to murder...
  59. Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: White Jade from Ireland writes: The Chinese authorities have a right to restore law and order to protect the lives of innocent civilians and property from being vandalized by thugs, egged on by unemployed western activists.
    _______

    How'd you steal a passport, coward.
  60. Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: Adam Masrshall from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me... or does it seem like the Chinese government, or government interests, are using the electronic media as a very potent propaganda tool with what's currently going on in Tibet?

    I have read some very misleading and confusing comments in this comment section, and in others such as the NYT, which I just get this 'feeling' are being submitted by very biased, non-public sources. Same with sites such as YouTube - where there are some very inflammatory and suggestive video's against the Tibetans, which very subtly confuse and obfiscate the issues in a very effective, but downright scary manner.

    I wonder why The Globe or other major news outlets don't pursue this tangent as a possible story? Sounds like a good one to me.... If true, then it would be real irony that the Chinese government is trying to manipulate public opinion via very democratic, liberal outlets such as media comment forums and public video file-sharing sites.

    The fact that the leader of China can publicly suggest to international news outlets that the Dalia Lama advocates violence - and that no media questions the validity of that statement - is absurd.

    _____________---Yup, it's how fools like jade from ireland afford rice.
  61. Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes: Tom inCanada from Canada writes: Your link doesn't work.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZngrkgPVMV

    Please post the right link. Thanks.
  62. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: Adam Masrshall from Toronto, Canada writes:

    I wonder why The Globe or other major news outlets don't pursue this tangent as a possible story? Sounds like a good one to me.... If true, then it would be real irony that the Chinese government is trying to manipulate public opinion via very democratic, liberal outlets such as media comment forums and public video file-sharing sites.

    \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
    Actually it's your Globe and Mail is trying to manipulate the story. Check out my previous comments.
  63. H Chu from Canada writes:
    Tom has just been reprimanded by central control.... too funny.
  64. White Jade from Ireland writes: Adam Masrshall from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me....

    Yes it is. When the 'other' side says it, you call it biased, when 'your' side says it, you imply it's impartial. Where are these pictures York keeps referring to in a previous article? Notice every post ignores his statement that '...their authenticity cannot be confirmed' or the source 'tibet centre for human rights and democracy' - notice how they get their funding...must be budget time.

    Adam thinks since he lives in the 'free' west he's not subject to indoctrination by his own media and government.
  65. Eric Kirkpatrick from Vancouver, B.C., Canada writes: The Chinese can spin all they want on this one but it's still going to be the loser. During the Vietnam War the Yanks tried to spread the anti-commie propaganda thick and far but they still allowed the press and tourists access to Vietnam. I can remember watching nightly the lively debates between the various networks (U.S. and foreign) along with very vivid footage of the action in 'Nam. What has China to fear from the presence a free press?
  66. White Jade from Ireland writes: Clarky the Mite, otherwise known as 'One Nut' has been exposed as a Taiwanese nationalist in a previous post....thus explains his abject hatred of all things chinese....coz, he wishes he was one! Try that site Clarky, it'll relieve your pent up pressure.
  67. Joseph T from Victoria, Canada writes: Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: Adam Masrshall from Toronto, Canada writes: Is it just me... or does it seem like the Chinese government, or government interests, are using the electronic media as a very potent propaganda tool with what's currently going on in Tibet? I have read some very misleading and confusing comments in this comment section, and in others such as the NYT, which I just get this 'feeling' are being submitted by very biased, non-public sources. Same with sites such as YouTube - where there are some very inflammatory and suggestive video's against the Tibetans, which very subtly confuse and obfiscate the issues in a very effective, but downright scary manner. I wonder why The Globe or other major news outlets don't pursue this tangent as a possible story? Sounds like a good one to me.... If true, then it would be real irony that the Chinese government is trying to manipulate public opinion via very democratic, liberal outlets such as media comment forums and public video file-sharing sites. The fact that the leader of China can publicly suggest to international news outlets that the Dalia Lama advocates violence - and that no media questions the validity of that statement - is absurd. _____________---Yup, it's how fools like me from Taiwan afford rice.
  68. White Jade from Ireland writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Ah yes here we go..

    sounds similar to the policy of embedding journalists in Iraq and the Falklands to me..
  69. Joseph T from Victoria, Canada writes: Rangzen Bhu from Toronto, Canada writes: TO: Ed Robert from Canada

    Problems in Tibet were created by Chinese occupation and suppression of the Tibetan for the last 59 years.

    60% of Chinese landmass is stolen from minorities by Han Chinese who makeup 90% of the people. 25% of Chinese landmass belong to Tibet.

    Why should Tibetan live as second citizen in their own home and speak alien language in their daily lives.

    Why Tibetans are paid much less than Han Chinese fir the same job in Tibet.

    Why atheist Chinese have to interfere in religious affairs of monks and lay people.

    Why Tibetan are minority in their ownland.

    Why Tibetan are discriminated in their own land.

    Why Party secretary is always Han Chinese in Tibet.

    There are so many whyyyyyyyyy

    >>Whynot?
  70. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: White Jade from Ireland writes: sounds similar to the policy of embedding journalists in Iraq and the Falklands to me..

    How astute, however it's easier and cheaper to send thousands of agents to hack sites such as this. What has China got to lose by allowing reporters and the truth to show itself? Er sorry I just realized the truth is controlled by Beijing, thought crimes - Orwell - you know the rest - Citizens lay dead - China is absolved as always...
  71. White Jade from Ireland writes: Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: John Kenwood is a 19-year-old backpacker..

    Excellent find Ocean13!
  72. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: Eric Kirkpatrick from Vancouver, B.C., Canada writes:
    What has China to fear from the presence a free press?

    Too me, reading a biased newspaper is as bad as without a free press. Yes, I am talking about the one you are reading right now. You won't admit that some of you guys were brainwashed by these kinda media.

    Check out the following two links about how Globeandmail and TimesonlineUK quote John Kenwood, a 19 yrs old Canadian guy's words. Totally two different stories.

    This is sick!

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3578941.ece

    theglobeandmail.com
  73. w w from Canada writes: Clark The Mighty from Canada writes: White Jade from Ireland writes: The Chinese authorities have a right to restore law and order to protect the lives of innocent civilians and property from being vandalized by thugs, egged on by unemployed western activists.
    _______

    How'd you steal a passport, coward.

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    Your words only show that you are a coward. It's amazing to see how some people don't tolerate different voices if they are not what they want. Is this your so-call democracy and free speech?
  74. D S from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: Several posters keep asking why doesn't the governments do or say anything substantial. Our policitians, for all their flaws, at least have (or should have) far better objective updates from their diplomatic channels than the news agencies provide us.

    It could very well be that the Governments around the world have reviewed the facts, and have concluded that the Chinese Government acted properly and within its' rights. Today, the Harper Government (and the Harper Government has never been friendly towards China) changed its' diplomatic language to be more positive towards China and her UN recognized/sanctioned possessions of Taiwan and Tibet.
  75. White Jade from Ireland writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: How astute...

    Look mom! It's chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!
  76. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Yeah well stated w w from Canada, really I say 'Nanjing massacre' you think 'JAPANESE', You say 'Lhasa' riots I think 'PRC'.

    If the PRC eliminates the Tibetans maybe the Japanese motives were just like the PRC!?!?......

    PLEASE SPEAK UP PRC SUPPORTERS!
  77. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: White Jade from Ireland writes: Look mom! It's chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

    Huh? What are you smoking W Jade? I think though after reading your post I agree. Embedding journalists in a war zone is wrong, however is this now a war zone? Has China declared this on their own people, I think the first casualty of war is the truth - China is shinning brightly in that regard at this moment...btw put down your pipe...
  78. Eric Kirkpatrick from Vancouver, B.C., Canada writes: Ocean 13 what the hell are you talking about? Do you claim ALL press is biased? Then why listen to the Chinese state controlled media or your two links? That's why you have a varied number of sources and ones with creditable reporters and history, something you don't wish to do.
  79. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Yeah well stated w w from Canada, really I say 'Nanjing massacre' you think 'JAPANESE', You say 'Lhasa' riots I think 'PRC'.

    If the PRC eliminates the Tibetans maybe the Japanese motives were just like the PRC!?!?......

    PLEASE SPEAK UP PRC SUPPORTERS!


    Ok, I will try to make the logic simpler so you could understand better. Tibet is part of China. Don't agree? Then you need to consult either current Canadian PM or UN. Japanese invaded China and did 'Nanjing massacre'. It's between two countries. Riots in Tibet happened inside China. Mobs of Tibetans did something really bad, so goverment stopped them. Darn, I have already made this too complicated for you maybe.
  80. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: It could also be they see the PRC like a 'rabid' dog that will attack first ask questions later! Come on now any one who follows international politics (facts) can see the temperment of the PRC. For all the claims of 'Super Power' or 'advancements' the PRC can a ruthless regime that will 'swipe' at any thing that stands in its way. I know that world leaders are nervous to confront the PRC - I would be too if your like an ABUSIVE SPOUSE gone mad - I would get in your way if you were abusive in front of me, regardless of any risk! Not every nation is going to do the same toward the PRC!
  81. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: White Jade from Ireland writes:Look mom! It's chicken little, the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

    Actually no W Jade, the sky is not falling, the sound you here are Tibetan's falling from bullets. How is the weather on the Emerald Isle you are up awful early in defence of your Masters!
  82. Ocean 13 from Toronto, Canada writes: Eric Kirkpatrick from Vancouver, B.C., Canada writes: Ocean 13 what the hell are you talking about? Do you claim ALL press is biased? Then why listen to the Chinese state controlled media or your two links? That's why you have a varied number of sources and ones with creditable reporters and history, something you don't wish to do.
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    Did I mention any Chinese state controlled media? 'ones with creditable reporters and history', do you mean Globe and Mail? To me, G&M missed the guy's words intentionally so it's not a creditable media.
  83. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: Ocean 13 sorry slow down here, I think its the CHINESE TOOTH PASTE I used, or cleaning up my kids lead painted MADE IN CHINA TOYS. I am coughing, maybe its the bird flu? SARS? Could be the pesticides from the bottled fruit juice? I don't know???.....So what your saying is the problem with the NANJING MASSACRE isn't NOT so much as WHAT HAPPENED but WHO WAS INVOLVED. OK I understand now 'Ocean 13' The problem isn't that a massacre took place but that it involved foreign LIBERATORS/INVADERS! - you are indeed an 'advanced' people.
  84. nobel savage from Montreal, Canada writes: YEAH I REMEMBER THE G&M doing a whole weekend issue on CHINA just last year! A whole issue multiple sections on 'THE NEW CHINA' promoting modern advancements etc.etc. That doesn't sound like the smart thing to do if the (as YOU CLAIM) have a vendetta against the PRC! Thats like a 'evil' Dalai Lama who takes 40-50 years to cause one-two riots! Thats 1 every 20 years.

    Ocean 13 maybe you've been playing with your kids MADE IN CHINA TOYS TOO! You make ZERO SENSE!
  85. CHRIS H from Canada writes: Everyone look at the video on CNN..this is from a Australian tourist

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/19/tibet.video/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

    An Australian tourist captures video of protest riots during a visit to Lhasa, Tibet from CNN.
  86. The Wight from Canada writes: The PRC stooges are out in force and, judging by the sheer volume of their posts in here, most of the smart folks who see right through this have given up even bothering to counteract the propaganda. It's all the yahoos preaching to the choir in here, now. I'm surprise that Clark and nobel savage even took the time. Guys, you really aren't going to change the PRC stooges minds, so why bother. They don't listen to reason and now they've even come up with a rationale for the media blackout that, gasp, BLAMES THE WEST. Yeah, the reason they shut it all down is because of those biased western reporters. Suuuuuuuuure.

    I agree with Adam's post earlier. Following up on where all these new accounts came from, what IP they were posted from, etc. would be very, very interesting. I'll bet there is a pretty clear pattern.

    Globe? You own the databases ...
  87. miko . from ulan bator, Canada writes: EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE TRUE RULER OF CHINA AND TIBET IS MONGOLIA. NO ONE CAN DENY THAT HISTORICALLY CHINA WAS A VASSAL STATE TO OUR VAST LAND EMPIRE, THEIR FEUDAL LORDS SQUIRMED UNDER THE MIGHT OF OUR SUPERIOR CULTURE AS WE LIBERATED THE BACKWARD HAN.

    BOTH TIBET AND CHINA MUST IMMEDIATELY RESUME TRIBUTE TO ULAN BATOR, OR WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR TEMPER TANTRUM AND POUT UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD AGREES TO INDULGE OUR PATHETIC FANTASIES!
  88. Nite Owl from Calgary, Canada writes: In our dealings with China we are building a Frankenstein's monster and one day that monster will be dictating terms to us. If this is how their leaders describe a a man of peace like the Dali Lama I can just imagine the words they'll use to describe us when it suits them. Our manufacturing infrastructure is fast disappearing in our rush for the quick buck and our money is used to build up China's military at the rate of over ten percent a year. If importers could go back to manufacturing goods here there will of course be modest price increases if manufacturers are willing to settle for a reasonable rate of return. As one who lived through the changeover from North American to Chinese manufactured goods I noticed a dramatic drop in quality of even the simplest things. I for one wouldn't mind paying to get that quality, not to mention those jobs back.
  89. Social Justice from Calgary, Canada writes: For a detailed report on how ow the Chinese authorities are trying to obstruct foreign journalists from covering the demonstrations in Tibet, check out this link to the Reporters Without Borders website, that outlines the tactics the Chinese government is undertaking in Tibet, o including their outrageous claims and railings about the "Dalai Lama clique", their jamming of international radio stations within Tibet and the reports the Tibetan press is relaying about violent statements by Chinese officials. http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?idarticle=26290

    For those who believe that what they read on Chinese newsnets is unbiased, please read this detailed report from Reporters without Borders about the Chinese government's Internet filtering, censorship and surveillance activities that keep news within China strictly censored with approved Chinese government content/propoganda, see this link on the Reporters without Borders website http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id    article=20779
  90. aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: B-O-Y-C-O-T-T
  91. Suey Generous from Canada writes: some really excellent posts here - the real story is how the PRC reacts when faced with an internal challenge - now we are getting a sense of what China will be like as it moves into superpowerdom - faced with responsibilities that are open to the world all the information tools are put into play - fascinating!
  92. Snow Lion from Ottawa, Canada writes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rA2U8cIjNws

    Origins of the turmoil, perhaps?

    Why such a disproportionate number of cops at what started as a peaceful demonstration by unarmed monks?
  93. bob saunders from Belleville Ontario, Canada writes: Namys From Canada from Toronto, Canada writes: Canada must resolutely support China in its cracking down the Tibet terrorist independence movement. And why not? Canada supports Israel in its fights against Palestinian terrorists in their fight for independence. What's the difference between Israel and China? None whatsoever. Each pursue their national interests - hence, why apply double standards? Let's stop being hypocrites and let's be consistent--------------- YOU ARE THE HYPOCRITE. There is a huge difference. The Palistinians were on the largest and best portion of the area of dispute. THEY didn't want to share it with Jews and have been trying to drive the Jews out since, they just haven't succeeded. Tibet has always been a wartorn area. Tibet has invaded China several times. China has controlled Tibet more or less for the past 200 years. Historically regardless of what the Chinese government says Tibet was not part of China anymore than Korea was part of Japan.
  94. Kevin Wells from United States writes:
    An authoritarian dictatorship controlling all media outlets.

    A nation of over a billion unwilling to come to terms with its own history in which HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of its own citizens killed.

    See GREAT LEAP FORWARD, CULTURAL REVOLUTION, ETC...

    Sending thousands of spies to the West to steal technology.

    Uncontrolled piracy of West's technology.

    Massive military buildup - with more lies and secrecy hiding amounts actually spent.

    Flooding sites for free speech in West (like G&M) with spies.

    Can Anyone, does Anyone have the will and the means to stand up to the Chinese?
  95. Raymond P from Canada writes: What we need to do to support China in its dire moment is to buy more Chinese made crap. This way China has more money available for extra paramilitary personnel to kill these trouble making monks. For hundreds of years these monks have been nothing but trouble causing peace all around the world.To paraphrase Mr. Bush the best way to support China is spend and attend the Olympic games.
  96. Jake McSnake from Ottawa, Canada writes: I agree with everyone here, China will use this to leverage it's evil agenda.
  97. W L from Canada writes: The Wight from Canada writes: The PRC stooges are out in force and, judging by the sheer volume of their posts in here, most of the smart folks who see right through this have given up even bothering to counteract the propaganda. It's all the yahoos preaching to the choir in here, now.

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    Well, frankly, this is democracy. Strength in numbers. The majority rules. The smart ones haven't given up. They simply turned smarter and learned to respect the fundamental rule of democracy right here in the comment section - that demonstrations in Lhasa have turned violent and the government needs to step in to restore peace. After all, what's the point of pushing democracy on China if you don't believe in it yourself?

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