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China launches media campaign on Tibet unrest

CARA ANNA

Associated Press

Latest comment posted at 9:24 PM EDT 22/03/08

With information flow stanched and foreign journalists banned, the Chinese government attempts to fill the vacuum via TV, the Internet, e-mail and YouTube ...Read the full article

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  1. Comments are Closed from Toronto, Canada writes: ''It is a clear proof that the international community is on the side of China', foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said, according to Xinhua.'

    LOL and I wonder if the mayor of Millerville is going there in person to back them up?
  2. The Oracle from Caiman Islands, Canada writes: Been there done that with Conservative governing
  3. Let me tell You How It Is from United States writes: Jean 'the sucker who believes any hard-luck story' Chretien I am sure believes the Chinese.
  4. Joe Froze from Canada writes: China is extremely unwise not letting all the foreign press to see first hand what's going on, letting resulting story-telling by all sides. Isnt Chinese officials very immature? By the way Dalai claims he's innocent of behind of riots, wonder why he's so exact at the death toll, 19 in Guangsu Province and another 80 in Tibet, as though he's physically present.
  5. K Z from Canada writes: As a person spending my life almost 50/50 in China and North America, I must say while Chinese media are pure, disgusting propaganda machines , most of Western 'free press' occupy no moral high grounds in this regards. IMHO, Chinese-style propaganda is rude, forceful, tiresome, the 'free press' approaches its audience with more subtle, sophisticated manners. Most Chinese people are aware on conscious level that Chinese government is trying hard to sell them something and intuitively reject to be brainwashed by seeking alternative sources for info, such as mouth-to mouth, internet etc., or simply are skeptical of what they read or hear. On the other hands, western public tends to put more trust on their media and accept what the media feed to them subconsciously, especially on internationally affairs which they are not so familiar.
  6. On Edge from Canada writes: No matter what, the lockdown of Tibet and refusal to allow any outside coverage, combined with evidence of great troop deployments in western areas and an endless barrage of propaganda to Chinese, all make China look like the totalitarian third world dump they try so hard not to be. Olympics indeed!
  7. Joe Froze from Canada writes: Fully agree with KZ above. If any chinese officials stationed in overseas reading this, should urge your govt to immediately allow all foreign press to get in to see for themselves the devastated riots. It's getting obvious that their story tellings are far more severe than the chinese officials'. Everybody is writing so and so on the street or in a taxi told. Should such annoymous story tellings with no pictures, no proof be put on the front page headlines and make them appear as real.
  8. Repeatedly Censored from Mini Bushland, Canada writes: Why no mention of young Chinese people who were burnt alive in the buildings set on fire during the riots? Do we still need to refer to Chinese media to get the news?
  9. Joe Froze from Canada writes: For information, China has started allowing foreign press into Tibet a few days ago but need to get organized beforehand, otherwise how can CTV able to send Steve Chao in
  10. felix balcarce from nanaimo, Canada writes: A professional journalist should report the truth and facts. Cretien is too intelligent and I think he speaks from his heart.
  11. Joe Froze from Canada writes: I do not think all journalists in the west are like that although dont deny some carry very strong anti china sentiments. However I've seen some reporting fairly unbiased. China should let both sides to fill in the picture. I've been reading alot of comments from westerners living inside china condemning the Tibetan rioters. This is what freedom of expressions is about.
  12. martha stewart from Canada writes: Steven L from Canada writes: 'Let's boycot Beijing Olympic. Beijing will boycot London and Vancouver Olympic, London and Vancouver will boycot xxx Olympic. Let's simply eliminate f**king Olympic.'

    Agreed, in principle.

    But can you imagine how unpleasant it could all get for the Tibetans if the Chinese were to blame them for this boycott. And nobody would pay attention then.

    Wonder who will take advantage of the Vancouver Olympics for their 'cause'? The possibilities are boundless. Could be China. Look how badly we treated them in BC's early days. Could be India. Same story. Could be - no, WILL be - First Nations. And environmentalists of all kinds - dressed as 'Spirit Bears' no doubt. I'm sure thousands will fly in to protest The Warming too, of course.
  13. Joe V from Canada writes: Heh. That's funny. The article talks about Chinese propaganda on the internet, and conveniently enough, we get to see it here in the comments.
  14. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    And read China Daily article's comment contributed by readers, it's funny compared with here.
  15. Steven L from Canada writes: Politik is really about which side you pick, as I read from another board. It is obvious which side western media stand. I do suggest chinese goverment shall consider opening up to foreign press in spite of not trusting them. This time many amateur videos and pictures proved some western medias did lie and their bias were exposed to public. For today's technology, it is not easy for anyone to fool others. To get mature, chinese goverment.
  16. Joe V from Canada writes: Republic of Saturn from Canada writes: 'China Daily' is running a front page story about west media report, you guys can go there. It's the main English newspaper in China.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-03/22/content_6557738.htm'

    shrug So, some papers got captions wrong. Big deal? There are hundreds of people dead, and the best you can do is nitpick at reporters' mistakes? Even if some of those mistakes were intentional, they are nothing compared to the manipulation propagated by the Chinese state media.
  17. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    I would say Chinese propaganda machine is learning very fast, they become more sophisticated every day.

    They will be at par with the west very soon.....
  18. chalres hapgood from Canada writes: as a canadian, i an certainly in favour of this move.

    china must solve its own internal problem
  19. George Masters from Canada writes: It is certainly in the Canadian best interest to leave the problem to the China solving. I would not wish the economy to be in peril from this issue.China are large trading partner for Canada.
  20. Rangzen Bhu from Toronto, Canada writes: Tom in Canada from Canada
    Mx Lin from Brampton

    watch below link:
    http://www.stoptibetcrisis.net/photos.html

    Another interesting thing PRC has said that it gained broad international support for China's bloody crackdown and lists dozen or so countries who has stood resolutely with China violent action.

    Most of these countries are either governed by dictator or are sham democracy and many of themselves are in civil war for last two decades.

    The names goes like North Korea, Seirra Loinne, Nepal, Bangladesh, Syria, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Zambia, Vietnam etc
    Lesotho, Cote d'Ivoire Benin, Belarus, Fiji, Kyrgyzstan and Singapore

    Only Singapore is credible among the list. China is using all to to face saving mission of its poor record.

    actioncountriescountry
  21. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ...message to the Chinese Leadership....a pig, even with a fresh coat of lipstick is still a pig.....
  22. K Z from Canada writes: Steven L, I agree with you. Ironically, the western media have been discussing how new technologies such as internet, cell phone will dilute and even ruin Chinese government's proproganda campaigns. As matter of fact, the new technogyies are double-edged swords, which actually damage credibility of 'free press' even more in the Tibet events, definitely among Chinese people.
  23. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes: K Z

    Western medias are caught pant down this time.

    Hope they can improve next time, competation is always good.....
  24. George Masters from Canada writes: Pant down media! hA HA. This very true. I am the canadian glad to havethe media pant down. This is the laugh
  25. John John from Canada writes: Obviously Chinese gov't media campaign is so primitive compared with some of so called 'Conscientious' western media. It needs skill and techniques to make people believe. Learn from CNN, Fox and some of G&M.

    What? China has support from from North Korea to Sudan and Tonga?

    Axis of evil !!! Our troops should be sent their without pulling back from Afghanistan !!!
  26. Mike McFee from Ottawa, Canada writes: I am not quite sure they know the war is over....
  27. s like from Canada writes: Tom in Canada and Mx Lin

    Just wondering if either of you are paid by the Chinese government to post comments ?
  28. K Z from Canada writes: Republic of Saturn, don't be so graphic, children restricted :)

    Chinese government surely learns a lot this time, But I can't wait to see how they handle the predicted harrassment during the Olympic games.
  29. Dr. Doolittle from Ontario from Canada writes:

    Tibet reminds me of Canada- a peaceful country who wrongly thought that rhetoric and example would save the day. But the Chinese were on a different wavelength when they rolled the tanks over the Tibetan boarder some 60 years ago. It's interesting that many smug Canadians would rather share a boarder with China than the U.S.
  30. Jim Mohagan from toronto, Canada writes:
    Once you read the article headline all you have to do is come here to the comment section and watch the stooges work in real time. Great feature G&M!
  31. John John from Canada writes: s like from Canada writes: Tom in Canada and Mx Lin
    Just wondering if either of you are paid by the Chinese government to post comments ?
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    I wonder what the news will be like if you are the editor. You don't need fact to 'make you news', you can just imagine news. Nobody suspected you are paid by by those mobs.
  32. martha stewart from Canada writes: I thought the picture the G & M used last night - the one taken in India with the fake blood - was very colourful.

    Fox News warned me about propaganda. So did the CBC. LOL!

    The moral of this story is its a free country, sort of. You are free to get jerked around all you want, or not.
  33. K Z from Canada writes: s Like, the Chinese government is so cheap to pay people posting here, do you want to pay me as your mouthpiece? Give me a quote, I'll consider.
  34. D F from Canada writes: Free Tibet, Boycott China.
  35. Mahatma Gandhi from Calgary, Canada writes: The agents of KAOS are at it again, of course. To quote one of them, 'it is the laugh'.

    And I don't blame them. This is dangerous for the Chinese regime. The Dalai Lama is getting his message across, that he doesn't want independence, but autonomy. Let Tibetans decide on their political system, on cultural and religious matters, but as a part of China. China can take care of defence and foreign relations. Just like Hong Kong.

    If Tibet achieved autonomy like Hong Kong, how many regions of China would want the same? So what is at stake here is not Chinese sovereignty, but the rule of the Communist Party. Two completely different things.

    Hence all the foot soldiers delightfully mangling the English language, giggling about 'pants down media', and peddling youtube videos. I'll say this for them: If we don't take them too seriously, they do provide comic relief. It is the laugh, indeed.
  36. Spar Brampton from hollier and hornier than thou, Canada writes: all you little insignificant people are focusing at the Tibet. but this is only a tiny part of geopolitical games. behind this is an internatioanl chess game of national interests. we have to look at the big picture to understand this whole fiasco. the western media is not unclear what is going on in Tibet. one only need to look at who will benefit and who will be damaged from this event at this particular time. Dalai Lama and his clique of tibetan separatists have all the motives and benefits to stir this up right before Beijing Olympic. and the CCP government has zero to gain at this moment. in fact it is a big headache to them. the western media can't be this stupid not knowing this. Let's look at the big picture: 1) china is rising and has a potential to compete with the top dog; 2) US's secondary mortgage crisis is causing stock market crashes; 3) US doallr is tanking and international lenders (Japan, Saudi, Singapore, Chnia, Russia...) are not lending their excess cashes to US; 4) huge gornment deficit and US is in recession now. 5) international capitals are redirected into China and India due to economic growth and expected Chinese Yuan appreciation. 6) all this causes short supplies of credit in US. 7) China's long term development depends on oil import from middle east and africa. in view of this. the short term needs is to a) stop international capitals flowing into China b) redirecting them back to US. the long term needs: a) control iraq, and iran. block sea line. cut the life line b) station troops in afganistan to control any land pipelines. c) rattle tibet and Xingjiang d) keep Taiwan as the big headache for CCP. Once you look at the big picture, you know what really this is about. Tibet riot is just a little trouble to keep China embarassed. In international politics, there is no hig moral value, now human right, not right or wrong, no justice. there is not one thing, natioanl interest.
  37. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: s like from Canada writes: Tom in Canada and Mx Lin

    Just wondering if either of you are paid by the Chinese government to post comments ?

    ==>

    Does it means that CIA paid for your comment??

    If their comments is wrong, correct it. No personally attach please.
  38. Spar Brampton from hollier and hornier than thou, Canada writes: canada is just a JV tring to play the Varsity game
  39. Harbinger from Out West from Prince George, Canada writes: Death to China. The Great Satan II. This has a nice ring to it. Don't it? Let's see if it catches on, shall we? After all.....
  40. job canada from Canada writes: it doesn't hurt and won't take long to get some shocking truth:

    to know how Tibet looked like under Dalai Lama's ruling before 1959, please visit website:

    http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2007/10/dalai-lama-hero-in-western-world.html
  41. Nathan Cool from Toronto, Canada writes: ' chalres hapgood from Canada writes: as a canadian, i an certainly in favour of this move.

    china must solve its own internal problem'

    Ahahaha!

    If you Chinese shills want to pretend to be Canadians, you should learn English first.

    FREE TIBET!
  42. J PAN from toronto, Canada writes: Everyone in China know that Chinese government is sincere want to help Tibetan to develop economic, improve their life, let me tell you something to prove it:

    1. each year Chinese central government pour in billions dollar to help Tibet

    2. each developed province in east coast of China (like Shanghai,Guangdong,Fujian etc) is given a task by the central government to help a select region in Tibet, they give money, send professional worker to build school, road, power station, theater etc.; accept Tibet students study in their province. developed province pays all these cost.

    3. send professional worker like doctor, engineer to work in Tibet. You know the natural condition in Tibet is terrible, nobody want to work there, so the developed province government use all kind methods like :pay them triple or more high salary, promise promotion after they return, half year work in Tibet -half year vacation to encourage them go to work in Tibet
  43. K Z from Canada writes: According to CBC, China will cancel live broadcasts on Tiananmen Square during Olympics. I am wondering if this is another paranoid move with fear of 'lose face' on-site? I don't blame them after the Tibetan incidents. But is really there no other measures to ensure live broadcasts go smoothly?
  44. one thinker from Canada writes: Reading between the lines one can conclude that the rise of power in China is going to make it possible for the rest of the world to have 2 types of mass media trying to convince us of the 'truth'. The western monopoly on the news finally gets broken. Albeit, western news have decades ahead of China news but if what expert say is true then is inevitable that in the future China news is going to be as influential as today's western news, or should i just call it brainwashing news. Anyways, mass media is the new war front and all of us are the target.
  45. Steven L from Canada writes: J PAN:
    Money does not alway buy hearts. Chinese goverment does need to learn from this riot. Maybe stop subsidizing those who involve in riot and let them starving for sometime, they will then learn to be grateful. I saw this from what I observed in Canada.

    No wonder the former canadian foreign minister claimed there were more than a thousand chinese spies in Canada. Anyone who here said anything positive about china is one of the spies.
  46. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: Steven L from Canada writes: s like from Canada:
    There are thousands of chinese spies in Canada (:>), beware they are watching you and spying you. I suggest you hunt them catch them so you won't have nightmare.
    ========================>
    Shame on you if you are a Chinese. First, I don't like the current Chinese government and is the reason that I staied in Canada. Most Chinese in this world knew what happened in china during 1800-early 1900. Most of us will never want China to be broken in 56 country with the influence from other countries.
  47. Jim Mohagan from toronto, Canada writes: Mahatma Gandhi from Calgary, Canada writes:
    'The agents of KAOS are at it again, of course. To quote one of them, 'it is the laugh'. Hence all the foot soldiers delightfully mangling the English language, giggling about 'pants down media', and peddling youtube videos. I'll say this for them: If we don't take them too seriously, they do provide comic relief. It is the laugh, indeed.'

    Yes, posts are quite the entertaining.
  48. martha stewart from Canada writes: Spar Brampton - Interesting analysis. Probably closer to the truth than any post I have seen here yet.

    But I disagree on one point. Except at the very tip top, the media can be this stupid. They are just being fed, and the days of real investigative journalism seems to have died in Watergate.

    At least they didn't quote Britney Spears on this...
  49. John John from Canada writes: Nathan Cool from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Ahahaha!

    If you Chinese shills want to pretend to be Canadians, you should learn English first
    --------------------------------------------
    Impaired language is certainly better than impaired mind. Remember, he or she is a Canadian if he or she has a Canadian citizenship. Wake up man!
  50. 2008 fly2dasky from Toronto, Canada writes: According one of the article I have read in The Journal of Aisian Studies, I learned when Dalai Lama exiled in 1960, US started providing him a subsidy of $15,000 per year. At the same time, US also sponsored 23 Tibetans to ateend Cornell University, in order to help them setting up the exile government. By the way, Tibetan exile's first constitution was written by a guy called Ernest Gross back to 60's and it was based on the US constitution while we thought he took the ideas from Tibet traditions and religion. I wonder what role does the US play in this whole situation, just as if Saddan Hussein did not came to power by himself, he was supported by the US as well. I recalled few days ago that Dalai Lama told the media that he would withdrawal from Tibetan exile thing if the situation worsned in Tibet, but what I know is that he talked abou this withdrawal thing back to May, 1990s and May 1991, as well as March 2001. Jesus Christ, how many times is he need to mention this. When I was in the university, professors constantly told us not to use the stuff from media as quoting sources when backing up the essays, because they said that there are bias. Often times we need to judge the sources. This whole reporting thing proved that, yeah, now I really understand that...haha...I gues the truth is really unknown or at least hard to discover the TRUTH which means that it's better not to jump to the conclusion or judge the book by its cover.
  51. 2008 fly2dasky from Toronto, Canada writes: According one of the article I have read in The Journal of Aisian Studies, I learned when Dalai Lama exiled in 1960, US started providing him a subsidy of $15,000 per year. At the same time, US also sponsored 23 Tibetans to ateend Cornell University, in order to help them setting up the exile government. By the way, Tibetan exile's first constitution was written by a guy called Ernest Gross back to 60's and it was based on the US constitution while we thought he took the ideas from Tibet traditions and religion. I wonder what role does the US play in this whole situation, just as if Saddan Hussein did not came to power by himself, he was supported by the US as well. I recalled few days ago that Dalai Lama told the media that he would withdrawal from Tibetan exile thing if the situation worsned in Tibet, but what I know is that he talked abou this withdrawal thing back to May, 1990s and May 1991, as well as March 2001. Jesus Christ, how many times is he need to mention this. When I was in the university, professors constantly told us not to use the stuff from media as quoting sources when backing up the essays, because they said that there are bias. Often times we need to judge the sources. This whole reporting thing proved that, yeah, now I really understand that...haha...I gues the truth is really unknown or at least hard to discover the TRUTH which means that it's better not to jump to the conclusion or judge the book by its cover.
  52. Steven L from Canada writes: Interesting to see that 'brainwashed' has so often been used to describe a chinese from mainland. Yes, they indeed been brainwashed. They were told by chinese goverment to learn everything good from western society (is it the true meaning of open-up policy? correct me if i am wrong) inlcuding science and social management and political theory. Today, chinese society is much less ideological than canadian society from what I observed on this forum and what the Harper goverment did. A simple fact, everybody is brainwashed by what he/she read. If you only read G&M and watch CBC, you were brainwashed by them. Remember how your brain was washed by CNN before Bush bombed Iraq. Now you believed Bush is spreading democracy in Iraq. Do you believe everyone here said anything good about China is paid by Chinese goverment? Whose brain is washed?
  53. Steven L from Canada writes: P cheng:

    It is ironic. See my next post.
  54. P Martin from St. John's, NL, Canada writes: Makes little difference. Look what happened when the US attacked Iraq. There was no international response to that illegal and unsanctioned attack. How hypocritical it would be of our 'community' to say much about what China is doing. Personally, I strongly disagree with the Chinese response to Tibet. But it shames me how Canada responded to the US attack of Iraq.
  55. job canada from Canada writes: How pathetic - G&M, CNN, CBC, FOX......

    it's really hard for them to mislead and brainwash the public nowadays thanks to internet. they know less than their customers!
  56. Ed Lewis from Sanityville, Canada writes: Hmmmm....China invaded Tibet 60 years ago, a pretty short time span. As such, how can anyone support China's attempt to keep Tibet in its embrace? They are an occupying force. As such, there should be NO question that Tibet deserves our support. BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS!!! BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS!!!
  57. brian silva from Canada writes: so the chinese kill a few more... mao was responsible for the deaths of at least 75 million, so what's a few more.
  58. job canada from Canada writes: to argue Tibet not part of China, please visit website:

    http://newschecker.blogspot.com/
  59. Steven L from Canada writes: Ed Lewis:
    Are you losing your job recently? You are living a global village. BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS??? First, those wal-mart employee will stone you. second, your EI can no longer keep you going. Third, you most likely has no computer to access G&M anymore.

    Don't blame china for losing your job. You are hurting those chinese worker' feeling as they just make 50 cents a hour to maintain your canadian life standard. Instead, be grateful to them.
  60. Freedom Liberty from london, Canada writes: Good Idea Ed Lewis get your local Walmart to ship goods back to China. Get them where it really hurts - A boycott of Chinese Goods and the Olympics is what is needed. It should be done by all North Americans not by just Canada which is a miniscule power by any Standard
  61. Linda Dial from Calgary, Canada writes: Boring coverage. Boring! Gong! Gong!
  62. brian silva from Canada writes: Steven L from Canada writes: Ed Lewis:
    Are you losing your job recently? You are living a global village. BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS??? First, those wal-mart employee will stone you. second, your EI can no longer keep you going. Third, you most likely has no computer to access G&M anymore.

    Don't blame china for losing your job. You are hurting those chinese worker' feeling as they just make 50 cents a hour to maintain your canadian life standard. Instead, be grateful to them.

    _______________________________________________________

    Steven L >>> maybe if you love china so much you should move back there...just an idea.
  63. Kevin Wells from United States writes:
    Chinese spies cost Canada billions: Harper

    'Today the former head of the CSIS Asia desk confirmed reports from defectors that close to 1000 Chinese government agent spies have infiltrated Canada'

    'Harper quoted the former CSIS official, Michel Juneau-Katsuya, as believing Chinese spies cost Canada $1 billion every month through industrial espionage.'

    'Juneau-Katsuya oversaw the CSIS Asia desk during the mid-1990s. He told reporters that China is a serious threat to Canadian security.'

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1118953947201_114363147/?hub=TopStories

    Geez, just Google 'Chinese Spies Canada' and see if you think there are chinese spies in Canada.
  64. richard steven from Canada writes:
    Yes, BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS!!! After this post, I will turn off my computer. because I know almost components in my computer made in china, like motherboard, cpu, cards, power, cable, keyboard, mouse.
  65. Gopal Indur from the beautiful, Canada writes: I'm sick of having too many Afghanistan, Iraq or Tibet for Canada.

    It's almost nothing to do with us. It's a waste of our time, money and even soldiers' lives.
  66. Joe Froze from Canada writes: Spar Brampton's anaylasis is interesting. I really feel sorry for some of the poor Tibetans being used by the politicians. After Olympic is over, everybody's life back to normal who is going to really care for these poor fellows. If US finds bare, remote Tibet of any strategic value it would have supported Tibet's independance long time ago. Not only that Tibet is resourceless and remote in its location, the lamas do not work throughout their lifetime and live on the monastries which are heavily funded by the govt. US and Europe are fully aware of the situation, afterall supporting a territory's independance is not a charity given that the place itself is not self sufficient and has no meaningful resources. What a coincidence that Dalai lately travelled alot around the world pleading countries including Canada to take in more exiled Tibetans as refugees. All of a sudden there're Tibetan rallies everywhere around the globe. Dalai is indeed a very clever politician.
  67. Jeff Pritchard from Canada writes: Don't the Chinese have better things to do than oppress their citizenry?

    Where else are we supposed to get our supply of toxic pet food and pharmaceuticals?
  68. harry carnie from Northern, B.C., Canada writes: What China needs are some 'spin specialists' from the Western world.
    Look the CRAP swallowed(by the public) in Canada and the U.S...in the name of 'truth'
  69. Steven L from Canada writes: brian silva:

    See big picture. Canada does lose some job to China (Boycot China, it will go to Vietnam). This is globalization actually initiated by western countries such as US and Canada. On the other hand, trading with China or other countries creat jobs. As a reader of G&M, you certainly know canadian economy are crteating more jobs. It simply means lost jobs are replaced by other new jobs. Blaming China has no use and it is unfair. Wal-Mart has better than ever profit. Comsumer is always right.
  70. Kevin Wells from United States writes:
    'The watchdog group Reporters Without Borders ranked China 163 out of 168 countries in its 2007 index of press freedom.'

    Canada was ranked 18th.

    China 163 managing to beat out only: Burma, Cuba, Iran, Turkmenistan, North Korea, Eritrea.

    So, just keep listening to the Chinese on these boards who are trying to convince you that the Chinese media is no different than Canadian media.

    Geez, some of you Canadians are SO GULLIBLE; drinking the Chinese propaganda kool-aid.

    Try googling 'Chinese Media Control' and educate yourselves. Right after you google 'Chinese Spies Canada'.
  71. brian silva from Canada writes: Joe Froze>>> ha ha ha ha nice try and nice monicker by the way - trying to pass your chinese a$$ off for english. too bad you write like a chinese shill.
  72. Kevin Wells from United States writes: Sorry, forgot links:

    http://www.cfr.org/publication/11515/

    http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025
  73. martha stewart from Canada writes: Kevin Wells - Where did the U.S. rank - just so we Canadians know where we stand?

    Yes, propaganda everywhere. As long as you know that, it doesn't matter so much.

    But you forgot to mention Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC or some of our absolutely objective Canadian parrots.
  74. Joe Froze from Canada writes: Will anyone here in favour Quebec go independant?
  75. martha stewart from Canada writes: Joe Froze from Canada writes: Will anyone here in favour Quebec go independant?

    Yes.
  76. Steven L from Canada writes: Freedom Liberty from london:

    Boycotting chinese good is really not scary for China. Bottom line it is only 50 cents a hour. Having zero cent or 50 cents in pocket really does not make big difference for chinese as they have been poor for long and do not care to be poor longer. The real loss is wal-mart and all its employee and consumers.
  77. brian silva from Canada writes: Steven L from Canada writes: brian silva: See big picture. Canada does lose some job to China (Boycot China, it will go to Vietnam). This is globalization actually initiated by western countries such as US and Canada. On the other hand, trading with China or other countries creat jobs. As a reader of G&M, you certainly know canadian economy are crteating more jobs. It simply means lost jobs are replaced by other new jobs. Blaming China has no use and it is unfair. Wal-Mart has better than ever profit. Comsumer is always right. _______________________________________________________ well steven, what you write may be correct. at the same time, many are not as angry about chinese products (though there have been some embarassing situations lately) as they are with the regime of gangsters that runs china. more importantly, people are very apprehensive when the chinese gov't consistently insults or tries to insult western intelligence by spouting off such nonesense as 'all news media has been removed because of safety concerns' and then spews off its own propaganda to support its stance. westerners are not as naive as your gov't appears to believe. and then there is that matter of industrial and military espionage that your government so loves to engage itself in, and then passes it off as its own - so let's cut the cr@p and lose your chinese superiority complex, and perhaps people will start listening.
  78. Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:
    China has its supporters:

    'Beijing has released tallies of statements of support from foreign governments – 100 of them, it said, from North Korea to Sudan and Tonga.'

    North Korea, Sudan, Tonga - the great democracies of the world.
    Kind of China's version of 'The Coalition Of The Willing' - 'The Coalition Of Third World Dicatorships Bought Off'.

    &8220;It is a clear proof that the international community is on the side of China&8221;, foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said, according to Xinhua.

    Well, it's clear proof that the worst human rights violators on the planet are on the side of China. Check the list. You can bet tht Myanmar (Burma) and Zimbabwe are on their too.
  79. Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes:
    I came from China to study at the U of T in 1988. In 1989, after the 'Tiananmen Massacre', I coordinated the campaign of faxing newspaper reports to various parts of China to tell them what had 'truly' happened in Beijing.

    At that time, like most Chinese people in Canada and many Chinese people in China, I trully believed in the objectivity of the Western press and didn't trust the Chinese government's propaganda.

    This time, seeing how the Western media reported the Tibet riots in comparison to foreign tourists' eyewitnesses account of the riots, I begin to suspect that perhaps, back in 1989, the Wetern media did a similar thing, 'erroneously' distorted and exaggerated facts.

    The Western media and many Western people seem to hold an inherent negative sentiment towards China and the Chinese people.

    Any Chinese who posted here with words supporting the Chinese government's crackdown on the riot is discredited as not speaking their own mind, but rather, speaking as a paid stooge. This is an insult to the Chinese individuals' intelligence.

    Such insult reveals some Westerners' inherent distrust and contempt towards the Chinese people and China.
  80. Joe V from Canada writes: Joe Froze from Canada writes: 'Will anyone here in favour Quebec go independant?'

    Although no polls have been done on it for political reasons, Canadians west of Manitoba are quite supportive of Quebec separation. So hey, since you PRC stooges seem to have ample free time on your hands, maybe you can convince Quebec to leave?
  81. Kevin Wells from United States writes:
    Xiaoping Li:

    You see a bias against China.

    You think it is unfair.

    Have you considered one other possibility?

    China really is a totalitarian dictatorship and some of us think that is an important distinction between your country and ours?
  82. Q Lee from Markham, Ontario, Canada writes: I am immigrant from Sichuan, China, and now from Toronto, Ontario. When we look at what is happenning in Tibet now, please also pay attention to who is setting the fire on the stores, who is breaking car, who is beating the old man who just looks like Chinese ... I just bielive whoever, Han people or Tibetian, if they damage the properties,kill a human being, should be brought to the justice. I have relatives and friends who get married with Tibetian and working there, their safety is concern to us too. My friend get married with a Tibitian girl in the area where a lot of Tibet people and Han people living together .... Take a fairly thinking and think about all ...... Thank you and God bless all,all, alllalallallll
  83. brian silva from Canada writes: Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes: I came from China to study at the U of T in 1988. In 1989, after the 'Tiananmen Massacre', I coordinated the campaign of faxing newspaper reports to various parts of China to tell them what had 'truly' happened in Beijing. At that time, like most Chinese people in Canada and many Chinese people in China, I trully believed in the objectivity of the Western press and didn't trust the Chinese government's propaganda. This time, seeing how the Western media reported the Tibet riots in comparison to foreign tourists' eyewitnesses account of the riots, I begin to suspect that perhaps, back in 1989, the Wetern media did a similar thing, 'erroneously' distorted and exaggerated facts. The Western media and many Western people seem to hold an inherent negative sentiment towards China and the Chinese people. Any Chinese who posted here with words supporting the Chinese government's crackdown on the riot is discredited as not speaking their own mind, but rather, speaking as a paid stooge. This is an insult to the Chinese individuals' intelligence. Such insult reveals some Westerners' inherent distrust and contempt towards the Chinese people and China. _______________________________________________________ well when you have chinese people such as Joe Froze (Joe Froze from Canada writes: Will anyone here in favour Quebec go independant?) try to pass himself/herself off as english in order to spread chinese gov't propaganda, of course you're going to have some inherent distrust and contempt...
  84. martha stewart from Canada writes: Xiaoping Li from Toronto - For real vitriol, try questioning global warming. This seems rather mild by comparison.

    How can you doubt what happened in 1989? George Bush's father said so, and he had 'slam dunk' intelligence. Read his lips...
  85. Joe V from Canada writes: Xiaoping Li writes: 'This is an insult to the Chinese individuals' intelligence.'

    If you support authoritarian dictatorships that censor the media and eliminate political dissent, you are insulting your own intelligence.
  86. job canada from Canada writes: Steven L from Canada writes: Ed Lewis: Are you losing your job recently? You are living a global village. BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE PRODUCTS??? First, those wal-mart employee will stone you. second, your EI can no longer keep you going. Third, you most likely has no computer to access G&M anymore. Don't blame china for losing your job. You are hurting those chinese worker' feeling as they just make 50 cents a hour to maintain your canadian life standard. Instead, be grateful to them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess he just lost his pants.
  87. brian silva from Canada writes: Kevin Wells from United States writes:
    Xiaoping Li:

    You see a bias against China.

    You think it is unfair.

    Have you considered one other possibility?

    China really is a totalitarian dictatorship and some of us think that is an important distinction between your country and ours?

    _______________________________________________________

    they also seem to forget about their great mao who was responsible for the deaths of at least 75 million people...and his good comrade stalin, who did a little bit poorer, but well nonetheless, coming in with 30 million on his hands...
  88. martha stewart from Canada writes: brian silva - It is not fat!!!
  89. Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes: Kevin Wells from United State,

    Yes, I agree with you that Canada and US are more democratic than China.

  90. brian silva from Canada writes: ok martha, it is not fat...
  91. aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: B-O-Y-C-0-T-T
  92. aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: And since someobdy asked: Yes, if Quebec wants to leave, go right ahead. I'll drive it to the airport.
  93. 2008 fly2dasky from Toronto, Canada writes: Before one boycott the products from China, one should definitely stop CONSUMING the news about China. Nowadays, even news are considered as products that everyone could consume. World full with consumerism.
  94. martha stewart from Canada writes: brian silva - Thanks. I'll take that as a compliment.

    You can call me a commie or a NeoCon or whatever, but there's a limit...

    And you really think our American friends have nothing to do with this? That would be most unusual.
  95. Joe Froze from Canada writes: We keep complaining there's no freedom of press inside China, but isnt it the same for some people in here. When these people lack analysis and facts to substainiate their claims, they turn senselessly bashing and calling names like ruthless kids. Perhaps one has to be ruthless and vulgar in order to qualify a separatist rioter. A warning to Quebec !
  96. Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Joe V from Canada,

    In no where in my message did I mention that I supported a totalitarian dictatorship over a democratic government.
  97. CHRIS H from Canada writes: US, France UK etc.. sending more troops to Afghanistan and iraq is fight for peace...and US army just killed 6 innocent people.. while China send troop to its privince to cool down the riot .. and it is fascism...
  98. aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: No, I'll happily keep consuming the cheap crap the factories in China pump out. I mean we should boycott the Olympics. Let's not dignify this murderous regime.
  99. Joe V from Canada writes: aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: 'And since someobdy asked: Yes, if Quebec wants to leave, go right ahead. I'll drive it to the airport.'

    That's just a plane crash waiting to happen. There's no way a plane could take off carrying the largesse of the Quebecois.
  100. martha stewart from Canada writes: I'm being redundant here but... about this boycott idea... even if it would work, which I doubt - Everyday Low Prices!!! at Walmart tend to trump ethical considerations - the problem is that the Chinese would blame the Tibetans for their resulting hard times - for the workers, not for the Commucapitalists - and that would make it much worse for the Tibetans. Its a Catch 23 or something.

    And if they started dumping their trillion or so US$...
  101. Xiaoping Li from Toronto, Canada writes: martha stewart from Canada writes:

    I don't doubt what happened in 1989. I had a former classmate running away from Tiananmen Square and saw a cyclist falling down after being shot. I only suspect that the Western media had 'erroneously' distorted or exaggerated some facts.
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