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Latest comment posted at 4:50 PM EDT 25/03/08

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  1. Mark H from Indy, United States writes: If you don't agree with it, complain and get it banned. Tolerance only goes one way, it seems.
  2. God Free from Kingston, Canada writes: Terrorism: 1
    Democracy: 0
  3. Ted Harrison from Canada writes: Hate speech is saying: Go out an attack this group of people for this reason.

    Free speech is saying: This collection of ideas is wrong for this reason.

    From this article it sounds like the film is free speech. As God Free from Kingston, Canada writes: Terrorism: 1 Democracy: 0 .

    If we do not stand up to these assaults on fundamental democratic rights out of fear of violence, then we're not democracies, and we deserve to lose whatever rights remain.
  4. Voice of Reason from Ottawa, Canada writes: seems to me that the terrorist have the dutch by the balls. everyone is scared to say anything that might make them mad. Isnt that what they want and why they kill people
  5. Osman Aboul-Nasr, Proud Canadian from South Carolina, United States writes: I largely agree with Ted Harris about the definitions. I also consider myself as a peace-loving moderate Muslim and far from terrorism as can be. Is it like the the cartoons, which struck me more as "Shouting 'Fire' in a crowded movie theatre" than free speech. Especially their re-publication. I have not seen the new site, neither has Mr. Harris. Could the definition of hate speech be akin to p0rn0graphy; "I'll know it when I see it."
  6. WUP 2008 from Canada writes: What was it? First it was the Africans then it was the Jews now it seems to be the Muslims. Hmmm, I wonder who's next? Hey, maybe it will be you.
  7. Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: So you can readily watch Islamic militants behead individuals yet you can't see a movie that is critical of Islam. Interesting. I disagree with the posters who state Terrorism 1 Democracy 0. When it gets to the point where everybody is afraid to post anything because they are afraid of violent repercussion then the Islamists have won. Game set and match people but I am afraid that we have lost.
  8. Sir Laifalot from Victoria, Canada writes: Anything of value must be open to questioning & critism otherwise it loses credibility, insulated by hatred is no way to win converts, if the whole idea is to make believers out of us then show us the stuff your made of, to hide behind threats of violence is no way to win the hearts & minds of an intelligent society.
  9. Victoria Rutherford from Canada writes: Whats next a dirty movie about Talmud, Torah, Gospel, or perhaps they will pick on Sikh's or Hindu's. We seen this before, it killed six million Jews and 120 000 million Europeans.
  10. A B from Saskatoon, Canada writes: I agree with (Sir Laifalot from Victoria, Canada writes: ...) in a way.

    I would really like to know if there will be one time when we can ask all the questions about all religions - not to be shut up. These are just questions, regardless how uncomfortable - all we need are answers? And debate. Not sword, jail or job loss.
  11. Ed Lewis from Sanityville, Canada writes: Victoria Rutherford from Canada writes: "Whats next a dirty movie about Talmud, Torah, Gospel, or perhaps they will pick on Sikh's or Hindu's. We seen this before, it killed six million Jews and 120 000 million Europeans."

    Ms. Rutherford, grow a brain. The film is anti-Koran not anti-Muslim. I myself am anti-Bible, but I am far from anti-Christian. One does not necessarily beget the other. It is fear mongering like you have exhibited that threatens the destruction of our democracy, not the free speech that the filmaker is trying to exercise. If the film turns out to be a piece of hate-inciting lies, then it will be recognized for what it is and dealt with. However, it has to be seen in order for that determination to be made. Until then I suggest you stop spouting pro-Islamist garbage.

    I assume you have no problem with the Islamist beheading videos that litter the net? They seek to incite hatred against Christians, Buddhists, the West, etc.. Why are you not lamenting such things? Perhaps when Muslims cease producing such trash others will lose interest in criticizing Islam. Until then, it is fair game.
  12. nick none O'yerbuisness from Calgary, Canada writes: Whatever happened to free speech? since when are we not going to publish something based on the idea that it might hurt someone's feelings? The only question that should be asked is: Does this film promote violence or hatred against muslims? No? Then it should be aired. If/when people make a bad movie about catholics (cough michael moore cough) it gets eaten up, but heaven forbid that we should take a look at what the koran actually says.
    If this specifically extols violence against muslims, by all means, stop it from being made or distributed, but if it's being pulled out of the fear that it might hurt someone's feelings... Let them try to defend the religion, talk it through like civilized people, but when they start rioting, they lose a lot of credibility in my eyes.
  13. Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: Victoria Rutherford from Canada writes: Whats next a dirty movie about Talmud, Torah, Gospel, or perhaps they will pick on Sikh's or Hindu's. We seen this before, it killed six million Jews and 120 000 million Europeans.

    Wow Victoria how very noble of you to condemn something that you know absolutely nothing about. Your assumption that this movie is dirty because if criticizes the Koran shows how very irrational this whole debate has become. Anything that concerns any kind of critique of Islam has been thrown into the hate speech category without any kind of public dissemination.

    You are right in the fact that behviour like this is what led to the holocaust. People who were blind to the evil in our midst and wanted to appease them at all costs. Confronting Nazism up front may have been bloody and costly but no where near the costs of appeasing them until they decided the time was right to strike. Here we have people like you who would bend over backwards in your appeasement of Islamists all the while ignoring the horrible atrocities that are carried out in the name of Allah.
  14. Ted Harrison from Canada writes: Osman Aboul-Nasr, Proud Canadian from South Carolina, United States writes: "Could the definition of hate speech be akin to p0rn0graphy; "I'll know it when I see it." "

    I think it has to be to some extent, although reasonable people will likely disagree on where the line is. For example, for myself, the only pornography which it makes sense to ban legally is pornography that is made using people who have not or are unable to give consent.

    The cartoons struck me as essentially legitimate (the rerendering of them into more derogatory forms by people in the Middle East who wanted to incite anger against the West perhaps less so). The way to deal with such things is by explaining why they are not true, or why they are hurtful. If the latter is done with respect many people will voluntarily not cause hurt out of mutual human respect and compassion. But this is not something that law should demark.

    Only the most blantant incitement to cause physical harm should be covered by law. Everything else should be negotiated by discourse in the public sphere.
  15. frederick duquette from Edmonton, Canada writes: Free speech rights are not absolute, and citizens in a democracy should expect a balance between free speech and predictably crass provocation. Agent provocateurs treat free speech as sacred, but give no quarter on any other values held sacred by others.
    It is moderates who are held hostage by extremists on both sides. Recalling the outrage over Andres Serrano's Piss Christ, extremists focussed on its apparent blasphemy and our rights/limitations to do so. What was missed regarding an otherwise pedestrian work was its attempt to depict what society is doing to Christ.
  16. Ted Harrison from Canada writes: frederick duquette from Edmonton, Canada writes: "Free speech rights are not absolute, and citizens in a democracy should expect a balance between free speech and predictably crass provocation."

    Crass provocation may be unpleasant, and something reasonable people will denounce, but it is not something that should be made illegal. It is up to us as reasonable and rational beings not to allow ourselves to be provoked into violence by crass speech.
  17. IEM Canadian from Everywhere, Canada writes: Web site blocked ?? Isn't that a freedom of speech violation?
  18. michael hoepfner from Canada writes: We need to rid the world of all religions - hypocrisy, intolerance, violence - what a pathetic legacy humanity has dragged with it throughout the ages. I applaud the brave souls who stand against the oppressive insanity of the faithful. Unfortunately, devout ignorance seems to rule the day.
  19. Ferdous Islam from Toronto, Canada writes: It seems like freedom of free speech only goes against Islam and Muslims these days. Today the Ducth press and the crooked politicians are talking about "human freedom", "democracy", "free speech", but wait! What did the Ducth do as a colonial power around the globe? In 1619, they maruaded Indonesian capital Jayakarta, burning down the city. In 1616 they colonized Guyana, then Brazil in 1630, Chile in 1643, Surinam in 1667 introducing agriculture through Black slavery. And how many thousand "natives" they brutalized? Not a very clean history, is it? What a flip! As if they don't want to know of what they were, how rutheless they were and how they vandalized other cultures, civilization, people and their lives. Ducth politicians and press! mind your own business and repent for your own ugly history and killings. Beating drums of enlightment while nurturing deep seated colonial hatred of Islam is like the donkey under the wolf's skin. Your civization is only skin-deep.
  20. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: If this were a scholarly treatise about the Koran or any other religious tract I would deplore any attempt to suppress it or news about it. But it seems to me that some people are going out of their way to insult Moslems and then claim that they are being denied free speech. One has to take into account the sensitivity of the Moslems DUE TO THE LONG COMPLICATED MOSLEM/CHRISTIAN HISTORY.
    Sensitivity to the CHRISTIAN Bible was a part of the Christian culture not too long ago when people were burned alive for their "sins". Christendom grew out of it as democratic ideas spread.
    Ought we not to give radical Moslems or their descendants time to catch up with western ideas before we knowingly stir them up and make them even more resentful.
    CYMRO
  21. B Mac from Roachvale, Canada writes: Let's see, now...
    Osama Bin Laden et al can spew their hatred over the internet at will, (and be freely promoted by the greedy western press)....
    pediphelia and pornography floods our isp's daily....
    and some nutbar with wooden shoes can't show his film because it questions the Kuran.

    What a crock!

    Shame on Network Solutions for cowing to the growing intellectual insurgency of Islum.
  22. Ghetto Dude from Istanbul, Turkey writes: I do not see why the film maker cannot do his own hosting job.
  23. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: Is anybody shutting down the Islamo-fascist sites as well?
  24. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: By far the stupidest comment on this thread....michael hoepfner from Canada who says "We need to rid the world of all religions" Spoken like a true "humanist" totalitarian.
  25. Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: Ferdous Islam from Toronto, Canada writes alot of nonsense about incidents that happened over 300 years ago when that was the way in which the whole of the world acted. He should also in his diatribe mention the imperialistic nature of the Ottoman empire which actually was around later than the dutch coonialism he states. How pathetic ones argument must be when you ignore the criticism that is mentioned in the article but try and deflect attention to this matter by bringing up 300 year old incidents.
  26. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: As a sign of solidarity and as a sign that they will not be bullied, every newspaper and every magazine in the free world should print the cartoons that caused such an uproar. The intimidation practiced by the radicals needs to be stared down. The only way to deal with a bully is push back. Kowtowing to them is the kiss of death.
  27. m s from Canada writes: show the video on television worldwide, it might shed some light on that horrible religion
  28. Sean L. from Toronto Center, Canada writes: Clearly, just like in Canada, free speech is dead in America. We might as well roll out Sharia law and call it a day.

    Another great victory for liberal fascism.
  29. Paul Jones from kitchener, Canada writes: He's absolutly correct - the Koran is facist. But why single one facist book out? The Bible, the Torah, indeed most holy books, are facist.
  30. Sean L. from Toronto Center, Canada writes: "frederick duquette from Edmonton, Canada writes: Free speech rights are not absolute, and citizens in a democracy should expect a balance between free speech and predictably crass provocation"

    Ja Herr Frederick. Nur Liberalen sollten erlaubt werden zu sprechen.

    Good thing that liberals like you are ready to tell us what speech is and is not allowed. I think that is what my ancestors had in mind when they fought against fascism in world war 2, so their children could watch the Magna Carta be dismanteled by the liberals.

    "I began to win men to the idea of an eternal national and social ideal-to subordinate one's own interests to the interest of the whole society. There are, nevertheless, a few incurables who had never understood the happiness of belonging to this great, inspiring community."

    A quote from Trudeau? The liberal red book? Could have been, but in fact it is a quote from a man cut from the same cloth as you frederick - Hitler.
  31. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Paul Jones....it is a state that is fascist....not a religious book. Let's not forget that it was not the nazis who implemented fascist (and socialist) policies, but the german STATE.
  32. SN Dream from Canada writes: Great surprise, don't you know, freedom of religion only cover the freedom to believe it, but not the freedom for not believe it.
  33. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Paul Jones from kitchener, Canada writes: He's absolutly correct - the Koran is facist. But why single one facist book out? The Bible, the Torah, indeed most holy books, are facist.
    ****************************************************
    I am not sure that "fascist" is the right word. But I get your point.
    Christians (and Jews) conveniently forget that much in the Bible which if taken as a prescription forthe good life is pretty ghastly stuff. As an exChristian atheist who accepts people of all religions I know my bible well. Most Christians would be very unhappy if nonChristians baited our fellow citizens who are Christians in the same way that Moslems are being baited. If a literal interpretation of the early books was treated in the same way that many mischief makers in the West treat concepts in the Koran. Both books were put together many centuries ago. So to the Moslem baiters I say,"When the other shoe drops, as I am sure it will at some time, feel happy that you made your contribution to whatever rotten thing happens. I repeat that as an exChristian atheist I accept and try to understand the point of view of people of all religions.
    CYMRO
  34. Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: If a literal interpretation of the early books was treated in the same way that many mischief makers in the West treat concepts in the Koran. Both books were put together many centuries ago. So to the Moslem baiters I say,"When the other shoe drops, as I am sure it will at some time, feel happy that you made your contribution to whatever rotten thing happens. I repeat that as an exChristian atheist I accept and try to understand the point of view of people of all religions.
    CYMRO

    If Christians and Catholics were to follow the teachings of the Old testament versus the teachings of the new Testament. Every Catholic or Christian should know that the New Testament(the teachings of Jesus) supercede the teachings of the Old Testament where god was seen as being a more cruel god. I don't know the structure of the Koran but I am under the impression that it is purely the Koran and doesn't have one section that you are to adhere to more closely.
  35. D M from Canada writes: "Most Christians would be very unhappy if nonChristians baited our fellow citizens who are Christians in the same way that Moslems are being baited"

    True. But they do not blow up movie theatres that show "The Last Temptation of Christ". They protest, as is their right, but they do not force Martin Scorcese to live in hiding and have 24-hr bodyguards for life. If they do, then they are rightfully criticized and marginalized, and not pacified through appeasement.

    "He's absolutly correct - the Koran is facist. But why single one facist book out? The Bible, the Torah, indeed most holy books, are facist"

    Could be, and I would love to see your documentary on how the Bible is facist. For real. It might go against my beliefs, but I would still see what your opinions are. Remember, though, you have the freedom to criticize the Bible (and hey, maybe even get government funding if you keep it Canadian-content), but not the others. That's the problem with all this...
  36. Jake Richardson from Kingston, Canada writes: What happens when Richard Dawkins puts out a book called the God delusion? A few Christians get upset and put out books that attempt to counter his arguments. Salman Rushdie puts out a book critical of Islam? FATWA! Behead him!

    It doesn't take a genius to see which side is in the wrong. I'm interested to see this movie.
  37. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: If Christians and Catholics were to follow the teachings of the Old testament versus the teachings of the new Testament. Every Catholic or Christian should know that the New Testament(the teachings of Jesus) supercede the teachings of the Old Testament where god was seen as being a more cruel god.
    Jesus said,
    "I HAVE COME, NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS BUT TO FULFILL THEM", "Case closed", as Archie Bunker used to say.
    CYMRO
  38. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: D M from Canada writes: "Most Christians would be very unhappy if nonChristians baited our fellow citizens who are Christians in the same way that Moslems are being baited"

    True. But they do not blow up movie theatres that show "The Last Temptation of Christ".
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    You make a good point, However as I said before "Both books were put together many centuries ago". We have had our problems in the West in the past especially with the church afraid of losing its power.
    Then as the industrial revolution spread and democratic ideas triumphed over tribalism and increasingly oer the nationstate (EU)we became more enlightened. Islam is currently the religion of the developing world. You will discover that most Moslems who have adapted well to our way of life and do not find it difficult to follow their religion in western countries especially those with education and skills. As for the others in Pakistan, Arabia, Iran etc and the thankfully few Moslem fanatics among us, give them a century or two and stop congratulating ourselves on how far we've come in a century or two and how nice we are now.
    CYMRO
  39. WUP 2008 from Canada writes: Hey Dan and Ed: Victoria is much brighter than you. She is absolutely right and spoken like a human being. Anyway, why are most of you relating the Koran to terrorism? Better change your light bulbs. Will there ever be a time in history when persecution is not felt necessary by some and hypocrisy will no longer exist?
  40. Air Nav from No Fixed Address, Canada writes: Will the same Muslim groups lodge a complaint against Al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri when he tells Muslims all over the world "to strike Israeli and U.S. interests"?
  41. WUP 2008 from Canada writes: Air Nav: Will Americans and Canadians lodge a complaint against selling guns, bombs and military equipment to Israel for the sole purpose of overpowering neighbouring countries?
  42. Mark H from Indy, United States writes: "Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: If Christians and Catholics were to follow the teachings of the Old testament versus the teachings of the new Testament. Every Catholic or Christian should know that the New Testament(the teachings of Jesus) supercede the teachings of the Old Testament where god was seen as being a more cruel god.
    Jesus said,
    "I HAVE COME, NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS BUT TO FULFILL THEM", "Case closed", as Archie Bunker used to say.
    CYMRO "

    You're grossly misinterpreting Mathew 5:17. Your view would contradict most everything else in the NT (See Romans 10:4, for instance), see the symbology present when the curtain ripped in two during the crucifiction, etc. At best you have a limited understanding of that passage; at worst you're being intentionally dishonest. Either way, you are incorrect.
  43. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Air Nav from No Fixed Address, Canada writes: Will the same Muslim groups lodge a complaint against Al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri when he tells Muslims all over the world "to strike Israeli and U.S. interests"? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe they did and we didn't get to hear about it. I don't read Arabic or subscribe to newspapers read by Moslems. Would the the "western media" carry such a story. It'd be better reading than road accidents or the latest political scandal. That is my opinion but would the editors or program directors think so. Would it sell advertising space? There is writer and broadcaster (Moslem), Irshad Manji on TVO and other stations who routinely criticises much that she thinks is bad Islam or material even wrongfully interpreted by this or that Imam. There are millions of Moslems this side of the pond and if they agreed with the leader Ayman al-Zawahri the man you mention we would be in a mess but obviously we are not they don't. I ask myself the same question about the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. Well there is a healthy and vocal opposition to this policy within Israel but we never get to hear about it in Canada. And THAT is a FACT. CYMRO
  44. Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Mark H from Indy, United States writes: "Better to light a small candle than to sit and curse the darkness from Canada writes: Dan Van Gageldonk from Toronto, Canada writes: If Christians and Catholics were to follow the teachings of the Old testament versus the teachings of the new Testament. Every Catholic or Christian should know that the New Testament(the teachings of Jesus) supercede the teachings of the Old Testament where god was seen as being a more cruel god. Jesus said, "I HAVE COME, NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS BUT TO FULFILL THEM", "Case closed", as Archie Bunker used to say. CYMRO " You're grossly misinterpreting Mathew 5:17. Your view would contradict most everything else in the NT (See Romans 10:4, for instance), Well then, Mark H, why don't YOU interpret the words of Jesus for me and set me right? I don't think I am the fount of all wisdom and am always willing to learn. Am I misinterpreting Matthew or Jesus? I will await your reply. You know when you attempt to refute one scriptural passage with another we can go in ever decreasing circles and you know what happened to the Jujubird up in the cold Arctic regions. Anyway I don't think Paul was the last word on Christianity. CYMRO
  45. Akarsh M from Canada writes: Censoring the internet ?

    Yay... the fascists have finally succeeded in controlling the last outlet of truly 'free' speech.
  46. brian bishop from Brantford, Canada writes: I await the release with antic......ipation "Tim Curry pun".

    You want something to awaken your belief system watch or download Zeitgeist!

    http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

    It sheds a new light on religion, all religions!
  47. Albin Forone from Canada writes: Re "fascist" I'll meekly suggest almost nobody here would want to live in a country governed by the Wilders party, for which the film is a self-promotional stunt. Of course, the same applies to the lovely jihadis who see in Wilders a cheap and embarrassing amusement park mirror of themselves and their own chance for their own self-promotional stunt.
  48. Felis Catus from London, Canada writes: It is true that freedom of expression is not absolute. For example, people do not have the right to tell deliberate lies about your mother, parade around naked on Yonge Street or to put up an obscene billboard featuring Jesus of Nazareth and a sheep. Just try it and see what happens.

    It is fair that Muslims not have their noses rubbed in the things that they hate, just as minimal limits on obscenity are reasonable. But religious sensibilities cannot be enforced on consenting adults. There is no point in pretending that bigots who cut off heads are on a moral level with people who print cartoons or question religious dogmas. People have to be able to publish inquiries, to criticize or ridicule this or that sacred figure for the eyes of anyone who chooses to be informed.

    The fact that open inquiry into the sources of the Koran has been hindered is one reason why Islamic nations are stuck with so many backwards religious zealots. Yet citizens who are forced to stay ignorant at least have some excuse. Canadian fundamentalists who just cannot be bothered to educate themselves about Bible scholarship since the 18th century are somehow more blameworthy.
  49. francis mercer from Canada writes: are we that "cowed' by the muslim threat of their form of justice, murder!
  50. Eye Sore from Dog Pound, Alberta, Canada writes: Censorship is and has been the Canadian way for decades now. Our leaders have created human rights commissions to police the thoughts and words of Canadians, who of course cannot be trusted to handle free speech all on
    their own, but require Big Brother to intervene. While the 10-minute video
    may the product of a Dutch politician, read sh*t-disturber, the banning of his video is as Canadian as maple syrup.

    O Banada, we stand on guard for thee
    true North strong and sometimes free
  51. Eye Sore from Dog Pound, Alberta, Canada writes: Felis Catus from London, Canada writes: "It is true that freedom of expression is not absolute. For example, people do not have the right to tell deliberate lies about your mother, parade around naked on Yonge Street or to put up an obscene billboard featuring Jesus of Nazareth and a sheep. Just try it and see what happens."

    Participants in Gay pride parades have, on occasion, paraded buck naked down Yonge Street with complete impunity.

    I'll get back to you on the other items asap....
  52. Syed Abbas from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Ted Harrison:

    " ..... If we do not stand up to these assaults on fundamental democratic rights out of fear of violence, then we're not democracies, and we deserve to lose whatever rights remain....."

    You are right.

    The country can not find 1,000 soldiers to fight for these freedoms. Merely 80 have died and the knees are buckling.

    Canadians should learn from the Americans and Pakistanis how to defend your freedom. It costs lives.
  53. Syed Abbas from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Albin Forone:

    " .... I'll meekly suggest almost nobody here would want to live in a country governed by the Wilders party, for which the film is a self-promotional stunt. Of course, the same applies to the lovely jihadis who see in Wilders a cheap and embarrassing amusement park mirror of themselves and their own chance for their own self-promotional stunt ..."

    Well put.

    The laughable joke is that both will use Democratic background to sort out their differences.

    Why not draft Wilders hand him a gun and send him to the Afghani Front where he can sort his difference with the Jihadis mano a mano.
  54. Syed Abbas from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Better to light a small candle: Greetings

    People will read the same sentence, but understand differently.

    What they infer depends upon whether their inner self is clean or dirty, peaceful or violent, noble or mean.

    You can spend ages trying to tell them what you mean, but where there is no will, there is no way.
  55. steve allan from Welland, Ontario, Canada writes: It's basically a hate site which is why it's been shut down.
  56. Free Spirit from Paradise, Canada writes: Despite attempts at censorship, the film seems to out there:

    http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-movies-918310.html

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  57. Mac the Knife from Canada writes: As has always been the case throughout history and with all cultures....hate-filled old men fill the empty heads of idealistic young men with nonsense, then stand back and watch the mayhem. It's the old men we need to silence, not the books they deliberately misinterpret.
  58. Syed Abbas from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Ghetto Dude: Greetings

    As I said in my 6:39 PM post, what you infer reflects your inner self.

    " .... How to exercise and wash yourself, given the environment is an Arabic desert in the 6th century..."

    Islam is not ritual, but socio-economics. In Mecca, Mohammed the small businessman trader faced Big Business, Bankers, Trade Monopolists, and Judahists, with all their wealth, glory, power, and weaponry. With superior strategy and tactics he thumped them and lived to tell how to do it in the Koran.

    In the global world today, the battle lines are the same. The Corporate West rightly fears that small business efficient Islam using Koranic tactics will trounce them again, and it will.

    "It is Economy, Stupit!" not washing and exercise. If it was only prayers and rituals why would the West worry about Islam. No, it hits where it hurts, the pocket. Islam threatens the gravy train of huge obscene profits.
  59. Ghetto Dude from Istanbul, Turkey writes: How to live longer? Do not mess with empty headed idealists, especially when they are young. After having been left outside of the university gates, they are now here to attack you being encouraged by the same old poorly worded handbooks you have never given a damn to.
  60. Mac the Knife from Canada writes: In the march of history, idealistic young Islamists, the expendable pawns, will disappear into oblivion like the idealistic hordes who have gone before them. The fire that burns in them today will be cold cinders tomorrow and they will have wasted their lives. Good brains obsessing about the fairy tales of imams and mullahs, brains which might have found a cure for cancer, are instead focused only on destruction and a domination they will never achieve.
  61. Toby Plumb from Canada writes: Syed,

    "Islam is not ritual, but socio-economics. In Mecca, Mohammed the small businessman trader faced Big Business, Bankers, Trade Monopolists, and Judahists, with all their wealth, glory, power, and weaponry. With superior strategy and tactics he thumped them and lived to tell how to do it in the Koran."

    You forgot to add that the first thing the false prophet did in arabia at the beginning of his reign of terror was behead 1000 jewish men in front of their children, for not converting, raped their women, and repeating this model of "proselytizing" many times over.

    Be afraid West, be very afraid. Islam advocates peaceful coexistence only as long as they are not the majority--observe the rights of christains in saudi arabia or the sudan for instance--what happens to them if you they convert from islam to another religion--all sanctioned by this vile book.

    The koran, like the communist ideology, is more akin to global/political conquest, and has little to do with true spirituality.

    Please read: "the sword and the prophet" by trifkovic.

    Don't fall for the liberal dominated news bits of moral relativity.
  62. A. McDonough from Canada writes: Hate speech is the vilification of Jews that goes on in the mosques of the Middle East and so-called Muslim religious leaders like Nasrallah of Hezbollah who threatens to kill Jews and calls for the destruction of a country.

    Criticizing the Koran and calling the ideas stated therein is criticism just like criticizing the bible, be it the Old Testament of the Jews or New Testament of the Christians. We should have the freedom to criticize and critique the words of the book. Where hate speech comes in is where you call for the death of Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. The only hate speech I ever see is at the Muslim rallies with the
    Death to the Jews", "Death to the Danes", "Death to America" signs. The current Iranian regime is based on hate -- that is what is dangerous, not some movie that criticizes the views in the Koran.
  63. Felis Catus from London, Canada writes: Eye Sore says: Participants in Gay pride parades have, on occasion, paraded buck naked down Yonge Street with complete impunity. **** Point taken, Eye Sore, I have seen the parades too and I don't get my beads in a knot. The fact remains that there are some reasonable limits on offensive self expression. The boundaries will always be messy, but as long as people who hate the movie can avoid watching it I see no case for banning it. More critical reasoning about religion would be a good thing I think.
  64. B M from Calgary, Canada writes: Veterans of the world wars will roll in their graves when we give up our freedom in fear from fascist threats of violence like this. Fascism doesn't have to come from under a jack boot, it can come come from warm fuzzy "political correctness" too.
  65. Pik Man from Canada writes: Religion is a farce. Period!
  66. Toby Plumb from Canada writes: " Pik Man from Canada writes: Religion is a farce. Period!"

    Period?? You sound adamant. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Can you disprove the existence of God?
  67. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Actually, Network Solutions, which chickened out of hosting Wilders' site and movie, is currently hosting Hizbollah.org.

    Irony? hypocrisy? Oil money talking? take your choice.
  68. aniphylactic shock troops from Victoria, Canada writes: Somebody wrote: Free speech rights are not absolute...
    Then it isn't free speech, it's limited speech, aka censorship.
  69. Ghabbar Singh from Chambal Forest, India writes: Syed: Hello!!

    ...What they infer depends upon whether their inner self is clean or dirty, peaceful or violent, noble or mean...

    Well said!!!
  70. Mei-Xing Xu from Canada writes: Imagine if this was an anti Torah film, would the lgf tossers and Canadian republicans embrace it as they do this film, of do they have a face that looks like a hypocrite.
  71. Joe Gopher from Canada writes: Allow the film to be shown, if it does indeed promote violence against anyone, charge them, if not, suck it up and debate the film with logic and facts.
    Perhaps if the religion of peace would quit killing everyone who criticizes it this film wouldn't be made.
  72. Winston Churchill from London, Canada writes: Mei-Xing: there are lots of people who don't like Torah. By another name, its the old testament, and the God depicted is rather accommodating. Kill all the Midianites? Pause, two, three. I take thy silence for direction: thy will be done. I'm a Christian (not a very good one) and have no particular objection to people playing rough with me, provided they don't mind a rough response. Its the only way to stay sharp, and prevent intellectual laziness. An unexamined belief has, more than most, a good chance of becoming something ugly.

    Odd, however, that you can find donkey shows on the same server (probably) and that Google search wages legal battles to defend the search patterns of users (I doubt they are interested in defending political or religious extremists), but that the line is drawn here.

    Syed: if Islam is so efficient, why does the entire Arab world (less oil) have the GDP of Finland? Muslims might sell things (check out any 7/11) but they sure don't make them.
  73. BiB AmomA from Canada writes: Big deal..... I get stuff blocked all the time.... by this news service...

    so what's new?
  74. Dave of the North from Canada writes: Toby Plumb from Canada writes: " Pik Man from Canada writes: Religion is a farce. Period!"

    Period?? You sound adamant. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Can you disprove the existence of God?
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    That's getting pretty old Toby: "do you know something the rest of us don't" infers Pik stands alone which is hardly the case. And really, it is the idea of a god or some such entity that YOU promote that we find laughable. So it is up to you to prove that which you believe: the existence of a god. Anything 'COULD' exist... That's called having a theory, which is a good thing. It ends there if you do not back up your theory with anything.... like testable evidence, which conveniently theistic types place their gods above.
  75. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: Some religious nutbars get upset about the exercise of freedom of expression and get various private entities to ban showing of something that they find to be "ungodly," and now they're trying to use the court system to enforce a ban, too.

    Gee . . . religious nutbars AGAINST freedom of speech ? WOW. This is so shocking. . . . Hard to believe, really.
  76. Gail Thomas from Canada writes: The problem is not with religions, but with the extremists within/and outside religions. It is the lack of respect we show oneanother. It is not knowing the difference between right and wrong and the lack of personal responsibility for one's actions. It is not thinking clearly before one speaks or takes action. Like mad scientists, we destroy ourselves/others and we continue creating monsters of fear and intimidation even as we try to discuss our environment.
  77. Gordon Brain from Canada writes: This is a ready made issue for asserting freedom of the press. Any media outlet which purports to support press freedom should publish, print, disseminate and use any other means to get these these "so-called objectionable" items to the widest possible audience. This would preempt future efforts by these extremist groups to muzzle a free press.
  78. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: This will get religious nutbars "all upset," but . . . if you want to see "those" cartoons, all you have to do is GOOGLE "Mohammed Image Archive".
  79. Deas, She Wrote from New York, United States writes: What everyone needs to remember is - the Islamists only claim to be "insulted" and to have "their feelings hurt" because they know that politically-correct Americans and Canadians are trained to stop what they're doing when they hear those phrases.

    Stop letting yourself be played.

    PS - I called Network Solutions and complained.
  80. Katherine Hortenstine from Canada writes: I am appalled by this decision. I called Susan Wade and let her know. I suggest you do as well 703-668-4600.
  81. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: Actually . . . SOME Muslims get offended whether or not "politically-correct Americans and Canadians" are paying attention. The same goes for other religions; the reaction (violent or not, silly or not) depends on when in a particular religion's history what level of self-righteousness and self-delusion is in vogue. Welcome to the Wonderful World of Religion, folks.
  82. MR. oz from Canada writes: who is running Holland? the Dutch people or a bunch of foreigners {aliens}?

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