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From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 10:46 PM EDT 26/03/08

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  1. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes: hahaha, keep going...

    guys
  2. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:

    Here it is: China asked to send troops to Australia to protect the torch.

    It's lucky for Canada not to have the torch run.

    Chinese troops in Australia
    http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200803/r235379_946571.jpg
  3. AU GT from Long Beach, United States writes: And so, Chinese Ambassador Lu Shumin urges us to solidify the impression that 'CHINA SUCKS'. Do these people not understand that the Dali Lama is one of the most beloved icons in the Western world? Why not attack Mother Teresa or any other beloved icon? China needs to re-assess on this one. China needs to LET TIBET GO!!!.....
  4. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    This ambassador is a crook, but his message is clear:

    no negotiations!
  5. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    Australia denying there is Chinese troops there
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/26/2199635.htm?section=sport

    haha, funny
  6. PC mg from Calgary, Canada writes: 'Regimes planted by bayonets do not take root.'

    -Ronald Reagan
  7. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: BoycottChina Now from Toronto, Canada writes:

    What you said most are true. That is why they try to crack down on this type of issue. I don't blame you not buying the chinese product.
  8. K Z from Canada writes: 'Regimes planted by bayonets do not take root.'

    PC mg, is Reagan a prophet? How did he know what was going to happen in Iraq and Afghanistan?
  9. BoycottChina Now from Toronto, Canada writes: There's a big difference between an errant contamination during normal production processes and a criminally contemplated contamination. In every case of contamination of food imported from China, it has been proven as criminally contemplated and driven by their desire to make illegal profits at the expense of the health of consumers. Recent examples include: 1) Chinese food producers lacing rice protein and wheat gluten with carcinogenic Melamine in order to artificially raise the protein level of their product so that it qualifies for export; 2) Chinese making counterfeit Colgate toothpaste and lacing it with poisonous Dyethylene Glycol (automotive antifreeze); 3) Chinese making 'baozi' (steamed buns) filled with cardboard 'tenderized' with poisonous and corrosive Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) instead of using minced pork and then selling them to unsuspecting tourists in China; http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/07/12/cardboard.food.ap/index.html 4) Chinese making and exporting counterfeit Cialis pills made with nothing but poisonous lead-based yellow road paint powder; 5) Chinese making counterfeit cough medicine that ended up killing hundreds in South America; 6) China exporting salmonella-infected sesame seeds; and 7) Deliberate poisoning of ‘holiday food’ exported to Japan and other countries: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/05/asia/AS-GEN-Japan-China-Dumplings.php Here’s a list of U.S. Food & Drug Administration Refusals of Chinese-made products and food that would have otherwise killed thousands of North Americans: http://www.fda.gov/ora/oasis/4/ora_oasis_c_cn.html Now the poisoned Chinese food chain has reached out across the world well beyond the recall of 60 million (as of now) packages of pet food: catfish illegally contaminated with antibiotics; counterfeit glycerin that is named as the cause of at least 365 deaths in Panama.
  10. BoycottChina Now from Toronto, Canada writes: ...chickens that had to be destroyed because of tainted Chinese feed; severe malnutrition in Chinese children from fake milk powder; soy sauce made from human hair; cuttlefish soaked in calligraphy ink to improve their colour, and eels fed contraceptive pills to make them grow longer and slimmer. In November of 2006, a dye Chinese farmers fed to ducks to make their eggs look fresher was found to contain cancer-causing properties and 5,000 ducks are culled and in August 2006, about 40 people in Beijing contracted meningitis after eating partially cooked snails at a chain of restaurants. The list goes on and on. Recently, Wal-Mart Stores announced a recall of baby bibs made in China after some of those bibs tested positive for high levels of lead. Last year, China found two Chinese companies guilty of exporting melamine-contaminated vegetable protein to the United States. This is a country, after all, where lax regulation and a weak legal system have allowed unscrupulous entrepreneurs to blend industrial fluids into alcoholic beverages, to sell fake baby formula and to form counterfeiting factories that pump out everything from fake car parts to copycat cigarettes. In Panama, more than 100 people have died in recent years by consuming counterfeit drug ingredients that were manufactured in a Chinese factory. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/business/trade.php It's time to show China and their corrupt ways that we mean business. BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE-MADE GOODS AND SERVICES. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING EITHER MADE IN CHINA OR MADE WITH INGREDIENTS OR PARTS THAT ARE MADE IN CHINA. TELL THE STORES WHERE YOU SHOP THAT IF THEY CARRY MADE IN CHINA GOODS THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER SHOP THERE.
  11. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    I am going to book the tickets tomorrow, I am going....otherwise no tickets left.

    Too bad nobody boycott it, too expensive now.

    Keep going guys
  12. CHRIS H from Canada writes: Lu Shumin is the man..~~
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    kevin o'connor from Toronto, Canada writes: Wow. Very amatuerish paranoid stuff. Seems like they are just trying to bully people into not critisizing them. Tough. We should keep on condemning the action in tibet and inaction in darfur. Let's just keep on speaking up for the needy and oppressed.
  14. PC mg from Calgary, Canada writes:
    K Z,

    Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

    -Mao Tse-Tung

    'Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. '

    -Ronald Reagan
  15. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    I am just curious, then why Reagan heavily expanded the defence and invested in star war?

    If his will is so powerful?
  16. BoycottChina Now from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Hey 'Republic of Saturn from Canada', I'll have a Tsing Tao beer and my wife will have a Mai Tai - chop chop.
  17. Yussi M from Canada writes:
    Why is Canada intefering in affairs of other countries? We are a multinational mosaic. For the mosaic to stay functional, we can't take sides in foreign conflicts. Otherwise there will always be (justifiably) dissatisfied communities back home.
  18. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: BOYCOTT CHINESE PRODUCTS...

    DO NOT SUPPORT THE BEIJING OLYMPICS OR THE SPONSORS OF THESE GAMES...
  19. Save our Planet from Toronto, Canada writes: China doesn't interfere with our mistreatment of native groups. Why does Harper think he can do the same? Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
  20. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    What Reagan did exactly proves Mao is right.

    Plain, clear, simple.
  21. Woody Forrest from Out in the Sticks, Canada writes: On a recent visit to Beijing, we couldn't get into Tiananmen Square because the Communist Party's National People's Congress was meeting at the Great Hall of the People. The buses and vehicles of the party members were sitting in the blocked off square. Tours of the GHOTP were cancelled during the party meetings.

    We discussed this with a local who considered it normal for the people to be restricted from the are during the meetings. We explained that in Canada, you could tour the Parliment buildings while the government was in session to see your representatives in action. The Chinese local thought this was really odd.

    Sorry I don't have the wit of many of the earlier posters. I can say some good things and bad things about China. Good: I was able to walk around large cities and not worry about violent crime. Panhandlers were another matter. Bad: the amount of police and army personel I saw gave me the creeps.

    Oh, and for those who hate the USA. They're going to vote soon, and change their government. China's got a lot of cool new buildings, but the people work for the government and not the other way around. When the Politburo stands for free and open elections, I'll start taking their press releases seriously.
  22. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    power grows out of the gun barrel - Mao

    This is why Soviet died, US won;

    This is why Reagan is dead, China is growing;

    This is why Tibetans is hopeless

    hahaha
  23. Keystone Provincial from Canada writes: 'At a rare press conference in Ottawa, he said the Dalai Lama is a dishonest separatist who has been 'lying for decades,' and is behind violent and criminal riots in China.'

    With this statement Mr. Lu just cements foreign notions of paranoia and propaganda, as the Dalai Lama is considered to be the embodiment of peace, compassion and loving-kindness. He has patiently and calmly striven for a negotiated settlement with Beijing for 50 years and the two parties have even made treaties which the Chinese government have not honoured at all. When will the PRC wake up and realize it has absolutely no credibility outside its borders? The world is again watching the rise of an untrustworthy regime that will try to dominate all weaker nations the way it subjugates its own peoples. New century, new continent, same old same old...
  24. Spiny Norman from Georgetown, ON, Canada writes: Yeah, quoting Regean as though he were some paragon of virtue is a little wrong, unless his Central American policy, from the Nicaraguan Contras to supporting terror in Honduras and El Salvador was virtuous.

    The question 'Why is Canada intefering in affairs of other countries?' deserves some scrutiny. Does providing foreign aid or peacekeeping forces qualify as 'interfering'? Is making a public political statement, no matter how neutered, really 'interference'? The Quislings and Isolationists of WWII would have just loved this stuff. What would be nice is to see the federal government impose economic sanctions (in the form of boycotts or removing aid) from oligarchies like China for a host of reasons, including the Tibet situation.
  25. Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes: Copy this comment from another person regarding Chinese Porducts:

    My comment: When Facts vs ideologies, I will go with the facts.
  26. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:

    Chinese ambassador is a crook, but China has guns, and money to build guns.

    End of story
  27. X. T. from Canada writes: Here's sth from Washington Post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/26/ST2008032603290.html
  28. m. r. from Canada writes: so what did you expect him to say? I would bet that the Chineese Government is worried that the Tibet riots will blow up in their face prior the the Olympics. I think they are trying to bully other governments not to punish them for such actions. 'saving face' is part of the Chineese culture but I dont think their esteem should come at the price of Tibetan subjugation. Chineese leaders should look at Russia to see that a bully policy to its subjects has resulted in
    many negative outcomes. it is not a positive way to the future.
  29. Scotia Rae from Canada writes: China is a two-bit, backwards police state. China has no grounds to tell Canada or anybody in this country how to act in the world. We should not be trading with this criminal regime who abuses its own people. Since your government is so paranoid I hope you are reading this Mr Chinese Ambassador! Get B@nt!
  30. Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes: Repost due to technical problem...

    Copy this comment from another person regarding Chinese Porducts:

    I dare you to live a week without any goods that is made in China like so many people before you have already tried and you will know it is already a lost cause. The federal and provincial governments are not telling Canadians the truth about our economy for fear of widespread panic. I was invited to a Senate Committee forum last fall and when I saw the data it was pretty scary, we basically have only 14.6% of jobs in the manufacturing fields and 10% in primary materials and the rest of 75% or so in the service sectors. In about five years, there won't be too many Canadians who can afford any of the services when they have no jobs. We have become a nation of peddlers selling and servicing products that is made oversea with 90% coming from China. The only people that are getting away with it are greedy businesses and corporations marking up their food and products at 5000% to 8000% while the dumb European and North American public focuses on bashing China !

    My comment: When Facts vs ideologies, I will go with the facts.
  31. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:

    Chinese just canceled Celine Dion's Olympic performance - the latest news.
  32. Henry Wysmulek from Winnipeg, writes: Tibet, Taiwan are a part of China!

    Austria, Sudetenland, Böhmen & Mähren, Memel, are part of Germany!

    Sound familiar?

    Every Made in China dollar you spend goes to support this.

    Who to believe, are communist or a Spiritual leader?
  33. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: Tibet is a part of China.

    Changing that would require major military force.

    Next article... Best Regards.
  34. Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada writes: 'Copy this comment from another person regarding Chinese Porducts:

    I dare you to live a week without any goods that is made in China like so many people before you have already tried and you will know it is already a lost cause. The federal and provincial governments are not telling Canadians the truth about our economy for fear of widespread panic. I was invited to a Senate Committee forum last fall and when I saw the data it was pretty scary, we basically have only 14.6% of jobs in the manufacturing fields and 10% in primary materials and the rest of 75% or so in the service sectors. In about five years, there won't be too many Canadians who can afford any of the services when they have no jobs. We have become a nation of peddlers selling and servicing products that is made oversea with 90% coming from China. The only people that are getting away with it are greedy businesses and corporations marking up their food and products at 5000% to 8000% while the dumb European and North American public focuses on bashing China !

    My comment: When Facts vs ideologies, I will go with the facts'
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    So what you normal Canadian do about it? may be stone government, businesses and corporations to death, burn them alive like Dalai people in China Tibet.
  35. John O'Cauley from Edmonton, Canada writes: China's treatment Tibet is not just but it is self-righteous for Harper or any past Canadian prime minister to be condemning China on this. If we as Canadians are serious about talking about China's human rights abuses we need to start by speaking out and doing something about Canada's mistreatment of Aboriginals. Canada was one of only 2 member countries to vote against the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in June 2006. I guess it's not okay to block the rights of Indigenous people in China but it's okay in Canada! Out of sight, out of mind!
  36. H Chu from Canada writes:
    China rejects criticism.... period.

    So what else is new with totalitarian regimes..
  37. Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada writes: 'BOYCOTT ALL CHINESE-MADE GOODS AND SERVICES. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING EITHER MADE IN CHINA OR MADE WITH INGREDIENTS OR PARTS THAT ARE MADE IN CHINA. TELL THE STORES WHERE YOU SHOP THAT IF THEY CARRY MADE IN CHINA GOODS THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER SHOP THERE.'

    'BoycottChina' what a f* you are talking about?! If you couldn't do it yourself, don't ask other people to do it. If you can, prove it. First I would suggest you stone your Computer to 'death'
  38. Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes: Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada writes: So what you normal Canadian do about it? may be stone government, businesses and corporations to death, burn them alive like Dalai people in China Tibet.

    _______________________________________________________

    Hell no, that is why I have never supported those Tibetan criminals in Lhasa from the beginning.
  39. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:

    I am interested in gun barrel debate. Seems like I run into a dumb gun.

    I quit.
  40. Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada writes: Tibet is a part of China.

    Changing that would require major military force.

    Next article... Best Regards.
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    You bet, here is the prove:
    2007 Chinese Military and Its Duties
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pxn7hVJ5D5o

    Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

    Chinese cities 2008
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=WwfRz8eOZaA
  41. J Chan from Canada writes: BoycottChina Now from Toronto, Canada writes:

    'Hey 'Republic of Saturn from Canada', I'll have a Tsing Tao beer and my wife will have a Mai Tai - chop chop.'

    Hey BoycottChinaNow, you're on a roll with your other posts (whether I agree or not) - why stoop to such a low level with this one? You can do better.
  42. Steve C from Canada writes: Comparing Tibet to Nazi Germany?! First rule of debate: never compare anyone to Nazi Germany - it trivializes what they stood for and the atrocities they committed. As for his assertion that Tibet was a backwater place, guess what? So was China as it transitioned between the Qing Dynasty and the founding of the Republic of China. It was a country split by warlords and preyed on by western powers. It wasn't a proud time for China and has been used by the communists to justify their activities and racism against anyone but ethnic Han. Selective memory is typically communist. Shame, shame, shame.
  43. Chris W from Canada writes:

    That's not news. That crazy girl has been condemened by millions of Chinese on internet years ago; Some other people even wanted to find her out and let people know who is this crazy girl. Remember, China has 1.3 billions people. Couple people tortureing animal are not accepted by all others. And you say this goes in China everyday? If you think people will believe you then you are crazy.
    look at this then:
    http://www.hsus.org/protect_seals.html

    Some of Canadian hunt seals, should I say all Canadian kill seals everyday?
    Of course not, becayse I am not as crazy as you.

    Boycott China? yeah, start from taking off your undies babie.
  44. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/26/ST2008032603290.html
  45. H Chu from Canada writes:
    You could certainly compare Mao to any tyrant of history.
  46. james schauer from Toronto, Canada writes: Our Chinese ambassador should move back to China, seems that's where his alliances are! ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC to CRUSH a relatively PEACEFUL people, 99% of whom WANT CHINA OUT!!! That makes CHINA THE CLEAR BAD GUY!! Boycott the games!!!
  47. Ed Andrews from Edmonton, Canada writes: I'm going to say it. . . . . . . .. . . lets do a Jimmy Carter on the games.
  48. Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: Anyone who criticizes the Chinese govt. is a 'LIAR' to China. Such remarks coming from a ambassador are truly deplorable. If an ambassador can make remarks like this, one can't expect anything better from the ordinary people defending the Chinese position on this forum.
  49. P W from Toronto, Canada writes: James Schauer: the Chinese Ambassador's allegiance is to China. That's by definition.
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    Western Canadian from West of Winnipeg, Canada writes: He should offer free tour of Tibet to our journalists with town meeting inclusive of local monks and Tibetans to discuss the Tibetan realities.
    But it is too dificult to imagine that.
  51. Steve C from Canada writes: james schauer from Toronto, Canada writes: Our Chinese ambassador should move back to China, seems that's where his alliances are!

    Wow that's a pretty silly comment to make - of course the Chinese ambassador is loyal to China - he's the Chinese ambassador. Imagine a Canadian ambassador not being loyal to Canada?! C'mon! Anyhow, what he said still doesn't make sense but he has the right to make his case. And we have the right to not believe him. That's why Canada is the best country in the world.
  52. Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    The Cultural Revolution was an abbatoir disguised as tyranny.
    20-40 million Chinese were murdered.

    The Great Leap Forward.

    This happened in the 60s.

    Makes you all warm and fuzzy, don't it?
  53. Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: The Chinese claim to be the saviors of Tibet; how they rescued the Tibetans from the miserable lives they were leading 50 to 60 years ago. If this were true, shouldn't the Tibetans be happy living under Chinese control. The truth is that we Tibetans are really unhappy about the illegal occupation of Tibet by China and want an independent country, so that we can govern ourselves.

    The Chinese have a bad habit of always talking about the past. Talk of the present and at present we Tibetans want the Chinese out of Tibet.
  54. Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes: Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    The Cultural Revolution was an abbatoir disguised as tyranny.
    20-40 million Chinese were murdered.

    The Great Leap Forward.

    This happened in the 60s.

    Makes you all warm and fuzzy, don't it?

    ___________________________________________________

    Wow, how about WWI and WWII, very horrify too… Oh wait a minute, today is March 27, 2008. Hitler and Mao were already dead long time ago.
  55. Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: The only difference being that Hitler is not talked about or praised anywhere in Germany, but Mao is still worshiped like a god in China.
  56. Fred Smith from Canada writes: The Ambassador from China is an example of the dishonest, corrupt government in power in China ..

    China should not have been given the Olympic games ...
  57. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    The Great Leap Forward.

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    The Great Leap Forward is introduced because China is isolated by other country. Chairman Mao declared that China did not depended on outside world. At that time, it made sense. Although it was a mistaked.

    It was a policy error and not a polictic issue.
  58. Richard Thompson from Winnipeg, Canada writes: I don't at all agree with boycotting China. People who suggest a boycott have their heart in the right place, but I don;t think the really understand the ramifications of what they're proposing.

    Boycotts and sanctions usually have the effect of punishing the people of targeted countries rather than their leaders. The people running China will continue to be rich and powerful whether or not the Olympic games are boycotted. Also, any general boycott - if successful - would essentially drive China and the rest of the world apart socially, politcally and economically and increase the chances of confrontation. Chinese people riding the economic boom would be the first to suffer in such a situation. The resulting disorder would result in more brutal crackdowns as government tried to quash the unrest.

    Besides, why should China be ostracized for doing the same sorts of things every other evil country does? Will Canadians ever boycott the US because of its criminal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Will Russia even be punished economically for its brutal and constant war against Chechnya? If we are so concerned about civil rights, will Canada ever do anything about our 'ally' Musharraf in Pakistan who suppressed all civil rights a few months ago, sending his troops to arrest judges and beat people in the streets? Of course not, and this is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that drives opposition to the global ideals we all want.
  59. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: Blue Nose from CB, Canada writes: Well, before u guys trying to put your dirty finger point at others, maybe take a look at yourself through a mirror. Oh, for some of you here, make sure the mirror is not 'made in china'
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    It may be a big problem. It is difficult to find one which is made in the last 5 years. May be looking at the window in the evening.
  60. e c from toronto, Canada writes: lets boycotte the canadian and uk games because if we talk of evil...lets be honest. what the chinese have done is a traffic violation compared with the slaughter in afghanistan and iraq. shame on canadians for being so terribly stupid! to say nothing for their support for the racist acts in palestine that are supported by both Canada and the UK.
    throw not stones...pick up a credible text book.
  61. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada:

    Sir or Madam -- Welcome to Canada, a country which freely permits you to call me names like 'idiot' and I am allowed to say...

    'BOYCOTT CHINESE PRODUCTS...

    DO NOT SUPPORT THE BEIJING OLYMPICS OR THE SPONSORS OF THESE GAMES...'

    What a great country that we live in, eh?
  62. Mark Orr from Toronto, Canada writes: I think the west is facing a watershed moment. In the past we may have had the grounds to criticise China, but with the west now occupying 2 countries, ignoring the US, and in the business of torturing, imprisoning and executing people, to claim we are much better is really a sick joke. (and yes I include Canada in that ). When we seen China's brutality, we are looking in the mirror, and it's not pretty.
  63. Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: Pretty positive Rocky road, ever seen the humongous portrait of mao hanging near the tianamein square? Also, the memorial dedicated to mao near the same place.
  64. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Blue Nose from CB:

    You seem to be new to these G&M threads? You are not one of those angry 'newphies' that have been showing up on these China threads lately... Are you?

    PS... What's the weather like in Cape Breton right now? Are you in the Highlands?
  65. Spar Brampton from hollier and hornier than thou, Canada writes: regarding olympics, what i keep hearing is that china tries to use this opportunity to showcase china's achievement. it sounds a bit funny to me though. when you got $1.2 trillion dollar stashed, whatelse do you need to showcase?

    peopel really shouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill...
    face it, just a bunch of steroids pumped-up dumbheads competing for what? give me a break. be real, guys, it's just a game.
  66. e c from toronto, Canada writes: if you think Canada should support China then I wrote you would be stupid not to all support a boycotte to the UK and Canadian Olympics. Lets not have double standard like the Canadian Army that doesn't bother to count the people they butcher but do everything to save their own. Yes boycott them all then. The last time I look at the exchange rates one Tibetan was still worth one Afghan and same for Iraqis.
    Simple Canadians are once more being manipulated by the press. China such an unfree country revealed so much brutality. Why don't we see Canadians and Brits massacring innocents? Sensorship by Western gov'ts. Do think...
  67. what ? from VANCOUVER, Canada writes: Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: but Mao is still worshiped like a god in China... I don't think so.
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    I think so. Chinese still read Mao's 'Red Book' everyday.

    Crazy, huh?
  68. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: John O'Cauley from Edmonton, Canada writes: China's treatment Tibet is not just but it is self-righteous for Harper or any past Canadian prime minister to be condemning China on this. If we as Canadians are serious about talking about China's human rights abuses we need to start by speaking out and doing something about Canada's mistreatment of Aboriginals. Canada was one of only 2 member countries to vote against the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in June 2006. I guess it's not okay to block the rights of Indigenous people in China but it's okay in Canada! Out of sight, out of mind!
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    The only difference is that Communist is BED (period)
  69. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: LOL

    Well, I see the trolls from China have, at least, moved their level of debate slightly higher than the comic book comments of yesterday about 'crushing' and 'crossing swords'...

    They have still got a long ways to go though... I'll be back another day when some of you have grown up !!

    In the meantimes,

    BOYCOTT CHINESE PRODUCTS ...

    DO NOT SUPPORT THE BEIJING OLYMPICS OR THE SPONSORS OF THESE GAMES...

    Good night!
  70. Patrick Matheson from Canada writes: Dear Mr. Ambassador...

    Until your country is open to the eyes of your citizens and that of the citizens of the world, as long as your government hides, misinforms and prevents the opportunity for open dialogue... many folks will have very large doubts about your government pronouncements and explanations.

    Forgive us if we do not believe your view and explanations...
    Let us see for ourselves, let us hear and speak directly with your citizens.

    All governments (including mine) have issues and most have things to hide and lie about.. however the Chinese government worries many of us, especially how it treats its citizens and particularly the country of Tibet.

    Your recent history give us pause to wonder and to worry. Very heavy handed. It is not what we know that we are concerned about... although killing people for protesting against the government (or their occupiers) is generally frowned on...

    What worries us more is what we do NOT know and will not ever know.
    This is never a good thing

    Respectfully
  71. Steve C from Canada writes: Blue Nose from CB, Canada writes: Oh, by the way, China should also boycott 2010 winter Olympic since disgusting human rights record on Quebec, acadien, and first nation, even today, first nationa still don't have clean water to drink~~~ What a great country who cares human rights so much!!! So you admit that the things that were done to Aboriginals and Acadians a few hundred years ago are as bad as what's happening in China today. So why repeat Canada's mistakes? As for Quebec human rights record, what planet are you from?! Quebeckers have been Prime Ministers from 1980 until 2006 with the exception of two 4-6 month breaks! I was born and lived in Quebec until a few years and I didn't face any human rights abuses. Dude if Canada is as bad as China, you'd be labelled as a liar and disrupting social harmony and you'd better run and hide before you 'surrender' to authorities and then disappear because that's what the communists do, regardless of whether you are Han, Manchu or any of the other 50 ethnic groups in China. Only you're not in China, you're in Canada and you can say and criticise whatever you want, including Canada's historic mistreatment of Aboriginals and French-Canadians. Proof that Canada is nowhere close to China when it comes to human rights.
  72. Spar Brampton from hollier and hornier than thou, Canada writes: the problem with people protesting china is that they didn't know that china has never been a listener. china is a doer.

    a poor country cannot afford the luxury of too much democracy.

    look at the NYC subway line, 20 years past, meetings after meetings, nothing happened, taxpayer's money.

    in china, 20 years they can build a brand new city from scratch... not very democratic though, but saves tones of money.

    what else they can do? after all china is poor, US is rich.
  73. e c from toronto, Canada writes: Do something nobel...boycott Israel, UK and USA!
  74. SN Dream from Canada writes: Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes: The only difference being that Hitler is not talked about or praised anywhere in Germany, but Mao is still worshiped like a god in China.
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Breaking news.

    After purged from government by Mao, Deng Xiaoping reemerged as leader of China and embraced Market Reform.

    Oh wait, the newspaper is from 1976, never mind. Tashi, you better check with the self proclaimed incarnation of the passionated wisdom on getting more updated information.
  75. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: Mx Lin from Brampton, Canada writes: -------------------
    So what you normal Canadian do about it? may be stone government, businesses and corporations to death, burn them alive like Dalai people in China Tibet.
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    Canada can rely on EI/Union funding and other soical assistance. That is why all the dirty jobs are done in china because they are no assistance there and people needs to work to feed the family there.

    I try to some importing business and find that the manfacture company in US offer almost similar price as Chinese manfacutre. Including the freight cost, it is cheaper to get the product from the state. 5 years from now, we may see a lot of made-in-USA product in the store. At that time, we will hear the voice about boycott USA. Stop buying USA product.
  76. SN Dream from Canada writes: e c from toronto, Canada writes: Do something nobel...boycott Israel, UK and USA!
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    Now that's just crazy talk. The CPU I am using right now is designed by US company and Fabbed in Israel. I am not going to stop using computer.

    Beside, US is the one who Freed Iraq, Bush is the greatest president ever!!!! Free Iran like we free Iraq and if we have time, we should free Tibet too.
  77. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: Blue Nose: A Cape Bretoner tends to have shoulders wider than their height (or close).

    I am one of those.

    Nobody in their right mind would ever consider messing with highlanders.

    True, some have made this mistake, starting with the Roman Legions.

    The result is always the same. Best Regards.
  78. Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes:
    Why do you have a memorial for a person that killed 20-40 million of your own people? R u people retarded or something.

    Time you read our 'Red Book' again, so that u contain ur knowledge of the world to what is written in the book.
  79. Chris Lalonde from Singapore writes: Blue Nose from CB, Canada writes 'Who cares canada support China's Olympic or not? Canada cannot even gain a medal~~~~
    Oh, by the way, China should also boycott 2010 winter Olympic since
    disgusting human rights record on Quebec, acadien, and first nation, even today, first nationa still don't have clean water to drink~~~'

    Gosh, what a horrible country Canada is! You better flee from it now!!
  80. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada:

    Your 11:32 PM post should be read by all Canadians as it one of the more intelligent posts on this entire thread. Without realizing it, you have actually made an excellent argument as to why the current policy of how Western countries currently deal with China is absolutely insane one... Western consumers should refuse to be a willing participant in supporting this repressive regime in China and refuse to buy toxic products from China.

    Thanks!

    BTW... 'When facts vs ideologies, I will go with facts...'

    Really?
    What about tanks vs human rights?
    Where do you stand on that one?

    Good night again...
  81. SN Dream from Canada writes: what ? from VANCOUVER, Canada writes:
    I think so. Chinese still read Mao's 'Red Book' everyday.

    Crazy, huh?
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    Not crazy enough to believe in that. I bet red alert is more popular than the red book right now.

    * For those who don't know, red alert is a RTS PC games.
  82. s3 c from Canada writes: Boycott and withdraw Most Favored Nation trading status.
  83. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: Some incredibly bad English on this forum. Best Regards.
  84. SN Dream from Canada writes: Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes:
    Why do you have a memorial for a person that killed 20-40 million of your own people? R u people retarded or something.

    Time you read our 'Red Book' again, so that u contain ur knowledge of the world to what is written in the book.
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    For the last time, Mao is no longer worshiped in China and only historian and ultra left read the red book anymore. Just because your faith of Lamaism believe in a living god and some 'Holy Books', doesn't mean everyone else believe in similar things.

    By the way, although he didn't kill those people, but Mao's hunger for power are what ultimate caused their death. So I do agree with you for once about the stupidity of still having his portrait and memorial in the capital. But talk about the irony about urging your previous feudal overlord back to his gigantic palace, totally make all those European and Asian palace look like town house. I mean that thing must cost a fortune even if you ignore it's on top on a mountain and with a relatively small population, wonder where all the money coming from.
  85. Roady Woods from Toronto, Canada writes: Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes,

    If you say buring down shops and killing people on the street is representing Human Rights, I will go with tanks.
  86. Robin Hannah from Canada writes: I could be outdated, but as far as I know President Sarkozy of France is the only world leader who has yet put forth a plan of how to deal with The Olympic Games. He threatens to boycott not The Games, but the opening ceremonies, unless China agrees to at least begin negotiations with Tibet. Sounds like a diplomatic start to me - and a fine way to respect our athletes.

    Our athletes (and we) would miss out on the pomp, unfortunately, but at least they could compete. And a strong message be sent to China. Imagine - while the world looks on - only a few stragglers for the opening ceremonies? That is how bullies get the message.

    Good for Harper, for defending the Dalai Lama.
  87. what ? from VANCOUVER, Canada writes: SN Dream from Canada writes: Tashi T. from toronto, Canada writes:

    For the last time, Mao is no longer worshiped in China and only historian and ultra left read the red book anymore.
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    It is NOT true. I have talked to some locals (Chinese people) when I was in that country.

    They always claimed how wonderful he was...They always talked about his poems. A large number of Chinese can recite his poems very well. I often heard those poeple said, 'Oh, our wonderful Chairman Mo said such and such...'

    Come on! You Chinese love him. Just admit it.
  88. SN Dream from Canada writes: Robin Hannah from Canada writes:
    Our athletes (and we) would miss out on the pomp, unfortunately, but at least they could compete. And a strong message be sent to China. Imagine - while the world looks on - only a few stragglers for the opening ceremonies? That is how bullies get the message.
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    Why stop there, let's boycott the US too. Or are all those people dying in Iraq propaganda from China too?
  89. SN Dream from Canada writes: what ? from VANCOUVER, Canada writes:
    It is NOT true. I have talked to some locals (Chinese people) when I was in that country.

    They always claimed how wonderful he was...They always talked about his poems. A large number of Chinese can recite his poems very well. I often heard those poeple said, 'Oh, our wonderful Chairman Mo said such and such...'

    Come on! You Chinese love him. Just admit it.
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    I don't know what your self proclaimed living god told you but since you are on the internet, just google it and see for youself, I am not arguing with you on silly topic like this.
  90. Robin Hannah from Canada writes: Though I will add, Mr. Harper, that the world needs more than just defending the Dalai Lama. Right now, through The Olympic Games, and into the future. China has plans - big plans - and we all know it. And their grip is getting world-wider and tighter.

    Meanwhile, as for the near future, I would like to know - how do our Canadian Olympic athletes feel about all this? And how would THEY like their objections - and/or their country's objections - to be demonstrated? If at all - ?
  91. Robin Hannah from Canada writes: 'SN Dream from Canada', I'm not talking about Iraq, I'm talking about The Olympics.
  92. Concerned Citizen from Vancouver, Canada writes: Toronto should have been awarded the games not Beijing. Canada has a multi-cultural society and is free and open. We deserved it and were shut out. China will deserve it one day in the future when they are a free and an open society-- not now--and see what has transpired.
  93. Marc C from Calgary, Canada writes: kevin o'connor from Toronto, Canada writes: Wow. Very amatuerish paranoid stuff. Seems like they are just trying to bully people into not critisizing them. Tough. We should keep on condemning the action in tibet and inaction in darfur. Let's just keep on speaking up for the needy and oppressed.

    My sentiments exactly. The Chinese ambassador is not going to sway many Canadians with his venomous tirade about Canadian 'interference' and his hateful lies about the Dalai Lama. He conveniently ignores the fact that he is freely allowed to say such things in Canada, but Tibetans and Chinese who criticize their government are jailed or executed. China is losing all credibility with its propaganda war, at least in the civilized world. And thanks for mentioning Darfur, Kevin. China's shameful support for the genocidal regime in Sudan must NOT be forgotten, it is one of many other good reasons why we must keep relentless pressure on China. Meanwhile the IOC does absolutely nothing...
  94. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Blue Nose from CB:

    Man (or woman)...

    I have roots in Cape Breton and you sure don't talk like any Cape Bretoner that I have ever met before...

    So, are you in the Highlands or Industrial Cape Breton?

    Meat Cove, perhaps?

    Watch out for the Cape Breton moose -- I hear they are kind of randy at this time of the year if you know what I mean...

    ROFLMAO!