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SIRI AGRELL

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 10:24 PM EDT 31/03/08

In an age when text messages and e-mail records can instantly expose untruths and land a fibber in the hot seat, why do people continue to fudge the facts? ...Read the full article

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  1. CD W from Canada writes: Boomers who never really did anything on their own but want it that way. By the way, I did something really great, and if you only knew about it the way I want you to know about it, blah blah blah. This is the kind of crap you hear from folks who want the cache of having served in some distant dangerous place, but never gave up the latte.
  2. John Miles from Burlington, Canada writes: Let's not sugar coat any of this. A lair is a liar. They're not even bending the the truth. It's a liar we're dealing with here. Everyone should know them for what they are, liars. You can't believe a word they say. Don't get me wrong, I understand these folks are out there everywhere. They can convince themselves they're right on just about anything.
  3. Eris Korenyx from The Heart of Hell, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya writes: Part of the problem is that we let liars get away with it.

    Consider a couple of Canadian examples:

    -Peter Mackay, promises and signs a document vowing not to merge the PC party with the CA party. Yet within months, he does that very thing. Today this liar sits as a federal minister.

    -Brian Mulroney, among a long history of lies, wheedles $2million out of the government based on a lie that he had no relationship with Karlheinz Schrieber. Turns out, he had secret meetings and took hundreds of thousands in cash. Today many Canadians want to let him off the hook.

    -Stephen Harper, promised not to undo income trust tax rules. Turned around and did that very thing, costing hundreds of millions. Today, he has 30 % of voters willing to back him despite this lie.

    And let's not even look to the south, where one of the biggest liars of all time is still pretending he won the 2000 presidential election.

    Dishonesty persists because it is rewarded rather than punished.
  4. Kay Ay from Canada writes: Yeah, I agree people just don't think you are going to take the time to check out their untrue claims. I guess most of them didn't grow up in my house where an offhanded remark could lead to an inquisition...and this was before the internet.
    I remember painfully trying to explain pythagoras theorem to my mother (a very intelligent woman, really) who didn't believe it was true. These days she says she was just trying to make sure "I" understood it. Right....oops a little lie there.
  5. Gavin Nettlefold from Canada writes: "Misspeaking" is one of my least favourite words because it's such a weasel word among politicians. Misspeaking is when you accidentally call your girlfriend by an ex's name, or refer to Britain's president instead of prime minister. Clinton's example is not a case of misspeaking or exaggeration, but just out and out lying.
  6. guy tozer from Saskatoon, Canada writes: Remember "Fuddle Duddle"? Now is that misspeak or what?
  7. Gavin Neil from Canada writes: Eris Korenyx: great comment, although sadly republicans and wanna-be republicans are not the only liars we let govern.

    Gavin Nettleford: absolutely! Mis-speak is a word, and it has a meaning, and it is nowhere near synonymous with "total fabrication". I have nothing against Hilary Clinton, but I hope this puts and end to the race Democratic nomination. Also, nice name.
  8. Clive Gingell from Canada writes: Trudeau promised not to impose wage & price controls. He lied.

    Chretien promised to scrap the GST. He lied.

    McGuinty promised not to raise taxes. He lied.
  9. Kim Philby from Ottawa, Canada writes: If you say you "misspoke" when you said you won last year's Nobel peace prize, you've lied twice: once about the prize, and again when you claimed you only misspoke, when in fact you lied. Misspeak: ridiculous euphism for lie.

    If you're going to be a liar, remember the golden rule: you'd better have a damn good memory.
  10. Anti Fascist from Canada writes:
    They do it because they lied all their lives and got away with it. With the blue bloods it is because they were lied to all their lives and simply can't see the lie as a liability. These are people who lead unexamined lives, to do such thing would make them feel uncomfortable imho.
  11. Alan Burke from climatechange.dynalias.com in Ottawa, Canada writes: A politician is one who believes that the worst possible thing that could happen is that he not be re-elected. He has a short memory. Let's say 5 years at best.

    A diplomat is one who can tell someone to go to Hell and make him want to go.

    We have too few of the latter and too many of the former.

    I recommend a change in Canadian democracy. Let's do a lottery. You could be chosen to sit in the House but only at random and only for 5 years.

    Would it be worse than now?

    (BTW, this is a test posting because I might have been cut off by the G&M). See my website if you'd like to demand that they follow their own guidelines about comments.
  12. Alan Burke from climatechange.dynalias.com in Ottawa, Canada writes: What a great choice of handle "Kim Philby". Are you trolling?
  13. Matthew McGarvey from Ottawa, Canada writes: I don't think breaking a promise and lying are identical. One might sincerely promise something, but later reneg or break the promise, without affecting the truth value of the promise or its sincerity at the time it is made. A promise is a commitment, not a statement which has a truth value to it. A statement like "I never spoke to Karlheinz Schreiber" has a truth value - I either did, or I did not. "I promise never to speak to Karlheinz Schreiber" is neither true nor false, it is a statement of present intent and future commitment. If I later speak to Schreiber, I may have "broken" my promise, but I have never (if I promised it sincerely) lied.

    Which is not to say that breaking a promise is a good thing, but it is a different sort of deception or betrayal than lying.

    A promise DOES contain an implicit message about the sincere state of mind of the declarant. Thus "I promise not to merge with the Alliance" was equivalent to a lie IF Peter McKay did not mean it sincerely when he said it. "I promise to stop eating potato chips" might be a sincerely commitment held at the time it is made, but broken later; the fact that the promise is broken does not change its sincerity when it was current, and does not change it's (non) truth value.

    As for the morality of lying and breaking promises, sometimes we are in favour of lies and broken promises, and for good reason. White lies are a necessary part of the social fabric; lying to a robber or terrorist about someone's location might save someone's life. Breaking a sincere promise when keeping it would cause a grave harm does not carry the same level of disapproval as breaking one for personal gain might. So breaking a promise about the GST might have been laudable if the alternative was economically disastrous. Same with income trusts.

    A simplistic analysis with some obvious eye-rolling examples does not paint the whole picture.
  14. Anti Fascist from Canada writes:
    Out here on the left coast, our Premier Liar is Gordoccio Campbell leader of the BC Fiberals and the BS Legislature.

    He promised not to sell BC Rail, and then did so illegally. The Attorney General his buddy "Stonewally" Opal doesn't care to investigate.
  15. D D from Ottawa, Canada writes: Schwarzenegger: "Remember when I said I'd kill you last?"

    ...

    "I lied!"
  16. Compos Mentis from in the Cold 'n Wintery West..., Canada writes: Matthew McGarvey: great post!
  17. mark bowden from Canada writes: clive gingell - all those guys you picked out are liberals. so, liberals are liars. is that your little message for this morning?
  18. mark bowden from Canada writes: matthew mcgarvey displays incredible ingenuity on lies and promises.
    it's kinda like putting skin on baloney. i guess some people buy it. you couldn't even "give it away" to me. good luck, i think you have a great political future.
  19. Rick Sieb from Edmonton, Canada writes: Ask Stephen Harper about income trusts.
  20. James Collier from Burlington, Canada writes: They lie because they CAN get away with it - by calling the whistleblower a liar. Look south of the border to see how it works. Someone catches you in a lie, and a horde of supporters claim that you are not only a liar, but partisan, disloyal, ill-informed, and stupid.

    It's becoming harder and harder to tell what's the truth anymore. Truth is becoming a synonym for "Your leader's opinion".
  21. Eric the Red from Uzbekistan writes: People, especially politicians, lie because of one thing: they give what the public wants to hear and once elected, they know they face little if zero repercussions regarding accountability.

    We don't hold them accountable to it so they get away. Period. It's a self perpetuating cycle. And what fuels this? The public.

    You dislike lying politicians?

    Flood their faxes, inboxes and telephone lines with your supposed outrage.
    Organize your fellow outraged citizens and protest.
    Spread the word, write to your MP, write the Star to explain them how wrong it is...

    -

    Oh wait. American Idol's on. Never mind.
  22. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: "why do people continue to fudge the facts?" Well, the media (including the G&M) have been doing it for decades to advance their agendas so why not?
  23. Borys Nijinski from Canada writes: Many years ago my uncle said to me: "to be a good liar you need to have a perfect memory". It made sense at the time, however, now with the internet and video evidence etc. to be a good liar means never put anything in writing, never have anything you say or do be recorded bec it will come back to haunt you. It baffles my mind why people who appear to be intelligent get caught out by records (such as phone records, e-mail trails etc.). Did no one learn from Watergate?
  24. Matthew McGarvey from Ottawa, Canada writes: Mark Bowden - I have no political aspirations. Why would you think I do? And do you disagree with what I have said? Please, give us your insightful analysis. Or is ad hominem attack and catch-phrasing all you are capable of? Hmm, who would make the good politician?
  25. K S from Fero City, Canada writes: Matthew McGarvey from Ottawa, Canada writes: "I don't think breaking a promise and lying are identical... A promise is a commitment, not a statement which has a truth value to it."

    Cretien (when confronted on the GST broken promise by a voter on a televised meet & greet) : "I didn't make that promise." - LIE.

    Harper (after promising to honour the Atlantic Accord and then making changes to it): "I didn't make that promise." and then: "I didn't make changes." - LIE. LIE.

    My mother (on Easter morning some 30-odd years ago): "The Easter Bunny left this chocolate for you." - LIE.

    I think it's a good thing we can more easily decipher lies from truth. Cretien got embarassed big time when the person produced written proof in the little red book. My mother also admitted the truth eventually. Harper? There's written proof on both those accounts but then ... there's what people want to know and then there's what people want to believe. One of the other commentators has it right - lies and the lying liars who tell them are rewarded more often than punished. That's why people keep doing it, personally, professionally, and oh yes definitely publicly.
  26. Clive Gingell from Canada writes: mark bowden says clive gingell - "all those guys you picked out are liberals. so, liberals are liars. is that your little message for this morning"?

    My 'little message' was in response to Eris Korenyx's post where he posts examples...all conservatives.

    Odd that you didn't take HIM to task....but perhaps that's your 'little message'.
  27. mark bowden from Canada writes: matthew, where did you get the idea i disagreed with you? please, please, it was an "observation." why would i attack you? i don't know you. please accept my humblest apologies. i shall sacrifice a small, helpless animal to placate you. such ire. are you a conservative? just asking. sir (cringe) (shuffling sounds) i bow to you and leave this thread moving backwards so as not to expose my back to you.
  28. mark bowden from Canada writes: clive gingell, i don't remember stating anything about conservatives. i did ask you if that was your little message for the morning?
    is that your little message for the day?
  29. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: Joe Bloggins: An astute observation and comment. I couldn't agree more.
  30. Eris Korenyx from The Heart of Hell, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya writes: Matthew McGarvey, in addition to the anaylsis you provided, I would say that a promise ethically invokes not merely the promiser's intention at the time it is made, but also imposes an obligation for the promisor to continue to make it true. The promisor is the party who, by virtue of the promise, takes on the duty to make the promise good. So it is not sufficient to simply say 'I meant it then'. If a promisor real does mean it then, it means he while do what it takes to make good.
  31. mark bowden from Canada writes: matthew, is a treaty a promise? if i signed a treaty not to invade your land and meant it when i signed it and two days later i invade, is that breaking a promise.
    some of these clowns bought your convoluted logic, but i still think it's baloney. and yeah, i read it again and pretty well hit the floor laughing.
  32. Clive Gingell from Canada writes: mark bowden from Canada writes: clive gingell, i don't remember stating anything about conservatives. i did ask you if that was your little message for the morning?
    is that your little message for the day?

    OK...I'll type slowly because you appear to have a difficult time comprehending. Eris posted 'examples' which were all Conservatives. To balance things off, I countered with an equal number of Liberal 'examples'.

    Then, totally ignoring Eris's post, you make some snide LITTLE comment regarding my response.

    Why? Is it because people who appear unable to locate the upper case key are naturally snotty?

    And THAT'S my little message for the day.
  33. Matthew McGarvey from Ottawa, Canada writes: Mark Bowden - I'm a vegan (although very occasionally I cheat and eat a bit of dairy or seafood; hence, I may have lied when I said I was a vegan, but it is MOSTLY true, if there is such a thing as a degree of truth - see, I told you the conceptual ground was complex; and I like baloney if it is vegan, skin or no skin, but I do not like baloney vegans), please sacrifice a carrot instead.

    And you've added insult to insult suggesting I'm a conservative. Thank goodness you didn't accuse me of being a Conservative, or I'd be really upset. And I suppose I am a liberal, although definitely not a Liberal. I'd join any party that made sense and mostly told the truth. Call me if you hear of one.

    As MC 900 Foot Jesus once sang, Truth Is Out of Style. (Look it up, it's a great song.)
  34. Matthew McGarvey from Ottawa, Canada writes: Mark, a promise is a promise, a lie is a lie. A treaty is an agreement. It involves mutual promises which are contingent on the other side's maintaining conditions of the mutual agreement. If I breach the treaty and you invade, then NO, you have not violated a promise because you made a contingent promise, and the precondition has failed. If you sincerely intended it but invade for other reasons, then NO, you have not lied, you have violated a treaty and broken a promise. Does it imply you can't be trusted to keep your promises? Yes. Is that identical to lying? No.

    You should consider a course or two in analytic reasoning to assist you in understanding language and logic. You seem to love the ad hominem argument (which of course is the simplest of fallacies to dismiss). Reading things several times when you don't understand them does not help you.
  35. mark bowden from Canada writes: sorry mark, you're not a vegan.
    "i'm a christian, but occassionally i smack down a poor beggar. that doesn't mean i'm not a christian, heh heh, y'know what i mean?"

    you are or you're not. enjoy the baloney.
  36. mark bowden from Canada writes: mark is my pseudonym. i meant matthew. try john hosper's "an introduction to philosophical analysis". i don't need driving lessons from some drunk who thinks he's doing a splendid job.
    don't worry matthew, some are buying it. remember what lincoln said about fooling people?
  37. mark bowden from Canada writes: clive, bye.
  38. mark bowden from Canada writes: eris korenyx clearly understands basic, unembellished logic. sometimes we call it truth. like a swim in crystal water. refreshing.
    matthew, try it sometime. ah, you'd probably hate it.
  39. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: Internet? Fact checking? bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
  40. H M from Canada writes: As my grandpa always said: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!"

    As long as you know it's a story, and everybody else knows it's a story.

    Lying for lying is bad, but we're supposed to lie to be nice. No honey, you don't look fat.
  41. larry hallatt from Canada writes: The difficulty with the great lies is they often work as the Nazi's and the Bush/Blair regimes have proven. 40% of US citizens believe today that Saddam was involved somehow with 911 even though it has time and time again been proven 100% false. (Even the US Congress has stated this.....although never the President) 20% of US citizens still don't know who Bin Laden was/is.......and yet even though official US propaganda states Bin Laden organized the 911 event, the US Congress made up of Democrats and Republicans have never actively organized a special bounty hunting group to capture him. Needless to say many North americans still believe Elvis is alive. Every election, we vote for those that continue to lie to us....why do we believe any of the platforms or statements, we have been lied to every year since Confederation are we slow learners...obviously. We have had far to few Parliamentarians over the year, but many politicians of every stripe and smell.
  42. John E. Boy from Canada writes: "No, sweetie, those pants don't make you look fat!" haha
  43. Zando Lee from Vancouver, Canada writes: ,,,an appropriate headline for the Neocon minority in Ottawa...caught lying again today....
  44. michael morris from Prescott, Canada writes: All politicians are liars - that is the first requirement of being a politician, whether they be the NDP, Liberals or Cons, if hey told the truth, one ordinary Canadian would vote for Them.
  45. The graying pundit from Ottawa, Canada writes: "I misspoke". Bullshit. You got caught in a lie
  46. J K GALBRAITH from Canada writes: I guess I am in the minority on this one but I am willing to give Hilary Clinton the benefit of the doubt on this one. Memory can be a deceptive thing and many of us "create" our memories of how a certain event occurred. The fact that she was actually at the airport she referred to and there was a threat of sniper fire indicater memory is off on the specifics rather than lying. I encourage all of you to think of a significant event in your life from 12 years ago and ask 3 other people who were involved how the events occurred. You will probably be surprised to find out how their memories of the actual events are different than yours. The Robert Irvine situation where he claimed to do things that he was never involved with is clearly lying.
  47. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: "In an age when text messages and e-mail records can instantly expose untruths and land a fibber in the hot seat, why do people continue to fudge the facts."

    Hmmmm...... I dunno..... because they are politicans, perhaps?

    It is a good question though... why don't we ask the Bilderberg group?
  48. J S from Toronto, Canada writes: Everyone lies. It's life...
  49. Not Ripley from Canada writes: When the things we see don't match the things we hear, we stop listening. It's that simple.
  50. Tony Mareschealle from mississauga, Canada writes: Just learn to write like a politician or a lawyer, then what you wrote is not really what you wrote, has been misinterpreted, misread and is out of context.

    Never spell it out - always sit on the fence.
  51. aging oldtool from Canada writes: I remember parts of a little ditty we wise-a$$ young teens used to chant way back in grade 8.

    I won't repeat it all because it won't see the light of day if I do anyway.

    The first line was " Peter Murphy had a dog, a dirty dog was he."

    Somewhere there was a line that went "Ask me no questions and I'll tell no lies."

    The rest of the poem? Don't even ask. But I'm sure a politician had a hand in formulating it.
  52. Alastair james Berry from Nanaimo BC CANADA, Canada writes:

    Is it a lie when you say you can't remember? My wife says I never hear (or listen to) what she says. Now if I say "I can't remember that" , am I lying?

    I raise this point because of the number of witnesses at inquiries, parliamentary and otherwise, who seem to remember some details quite clearly yet seem to (conviently?) forget other details that might possibly incriminate them personally.

    I often wonder why Politicians lie....Surely their response could be equally effective to say NO COMMENT - NATIONAL SECURITY might be jeapordized. The word 'might' encompasses 99.999% of all possibilities so it would be a true statement.
  53. Andrew Toth from Oliver, Canada writes: Liar, Liar 101, is taught in Law School folks. Ask the BC Attorney General, ask the BC Law Society, ask the Canadian Justice Department, ask the RCMP, ask the British Columbia Ombudsperson. Ask Lawyer Valerie Bonga. Perjury is not even looked at in Canada as a serious offence, yet you sign a Bank Signature Card for an Bank in the USA and right there on the form is the word Perjury.
    And before you sign your name clue yourself into what it means, in the USA
    perjury is procecuted. The reason being is because if your able to comitt perjury, you can't be trusted for anything. Is Perjury even a word in a Canadian Law dictionary anymore, I doubt it.
  54. I. M. Al Wayswright from darn it's winter again, Canada writes: IMHO who has never said a lie should through the first stone. LOL
  55. Andrew Toth from Oliver, Canada writes: Yes, that is my point; no big deal to lie. No big deal to lie in court under oath. This is the way to advance a court order from a Supreme Court judge in Canada. No big deal. Yes sorry state of affairs; but that's no big deal. Course 201 teaches two lies than make a right; and in the end oh just apologize when all the deception has played itself out. Take note citizens of the world; perjury no big deal in British Columbia, Canada. Oh sorry but when I made that statement I believed it to be true...and true...and true....and true. This is the present state of affairs and it draws laughter; amazing.
  56. National Action Committee on the Status of Elvis in Canada from Ottawa, Canada writes: Actually, what I am more worried about is the trend by the media and other assorted rogues using spiders, web crawlers and text analysis software to go through the statements that public figures have made over their careers and look for inconsistencies,mistakes and mistatements and report them as lies or gaffes. I live in Ottawa and I see it happen all the time in this city.

    Who cares if 99.95% of what the public figure/government agency has said is true and sensible? Who cares if the 0.05% was quoted out of context?

    All this has a chilling effect on public discourse: public figures and everyone in life who makes a positive contribution to our political, economic, social and cultural life now have to think about "covering their rear end." Now, instead of putting information out on the web to inform the public, public figures and governments will conceal information or dress it up with the knowledge that someone from the media with technology will be sifting through their material, looking for a story.

    So in this case, the media will have a pernicious effect on transparency and discourse in public life.
  57. Chuck the Canuk from Kanada, Canada writes: I find it disturbing that the G&M never listed Obama's big lie about never hearing the racially hate filled speeches by his pastor. This guy lies through his teeth and everyone seems to forget it. Interesting, because a presidential candidate is supposed to be above that crap. Apparently Hillary is better fodder for the media and the Obama loving G&M. So much for journalistic integrity.
  58. National Action Committee on the Status of Elvis in Canada from Ottawa, Canada writes: Chuck the Canuk from Kanada, Canada writes: I find it disturbing that the G&M never listed Obama's big lie about never hearing the racially hate filled speeches by his pastor.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Actually, what I find disturbing is the tendency of some people to focus on media stories like the Pastor Wright statement and completely the ignore the issues facing the world: the oncoming recession, the mortgage crisis, oil prices, food prices, the looming energy shortage, global warming, the US federal deficiit, the horrific US trade deficit, the high Canadian dollar that's crippling exporters, health care...

    And we're worried about 30 seconds worth of statements from a Pastor I've never heard of and will likely never hear from again. Give me a break: focus on the real issues.
  59. I. M. Al Wayswright from still waiting for spring, Canada writes: National Action Committee on the Status of Elvis in Canada, excellent posting,
    Andrew Toth from Oliver I just get a kick out of all the self-righteous people who are so outraged, like they have never said a lie. It's funny.
  60. Andrew Toth from Oliver, Canada writes: Waiting for Spring: I am talking about, perjury! The lie predicated under a sworn oath. I'm not talking about who took the last cookie, at a kindergarden table. You find discussing, that the ability to comitt perjury is funny? Well, I can't change that. So you might also have trouble grasping the term used to describes Ms. George's transgression there a few weeks back and the term used was in "Contempt of Parliament." I see, that is also funny to you. She saw it funny also, she pretty much gave the Canadian Parliament the "Middle finger". lol
  61. Russ Barth from Ottawa, Canada writes: liberals lie like this : "Oh, no, it isn't like that. you misunderstand!"

    Tories lie like " Well, we don't see it that way. We interpret the facts differently."

    admit nothing
  62. Pepper Gee from Toronto, Canada writes: Matthew McGarvey - you are NOT a vegan - not even a sort-of vegan - you are not even a vegetarian - - you periodically eat seafood, by your own admission. What kind of a vegetable is seafood? You are not even a lacto-ovo vegetarian - or a lacto vegetarian. You are a fraud and even if you admit that here, stop referring to yourself as a vegan (who sometimes cheats) - no such thing. But at least you are a liberal. (sort of)
  63. Andrew Toth from Oliver, Canada writes: So we deserve the lawyers, politians and police force we have; because the public accepts lieing as business as usual. Pretty sad state of affairs. We have a few church buildings, but fewer and fewer attend. You see in Canada, what is taught in church is not played out in real life. oh well. We will be juded by our peir group; other countries.
  64. John Doucette from Manotick, Canada writes: Siri, is that your real name? Are you fudging the facts?
  65. pran manga from ottawa, Canada writes: Hillary lied, she did not misspeak. It is time for us to use simple and clear language for what people do instead of covering it up with euphemisms and weasel words. Worse , Hillary lied repeatedly even after she was corrected and questioned about her lie twice before. So she is hardly the kind of leader Americans should want because her credibility is rather low. Bill Clinton was not trusted much either, and Bush is famous for hi Bushit . It is high time for the US to a more honest president.
  66. Kay Ay from Canada writes: I guess Brenda Martin can be classed as having "misspoken" now that it's been revealed she refused to meet with Canadian representatives in Mexico and helped caused her own extended stay in prison.
  67. edward prior from Montreal, Canada writes: Matthew McGarvey: I liked your analysis, but would like to add two other aspects to the nature of a promise: the first being intent: That is, no matter what the speaker's level of sincerity, was the promise made in order to curry some sort of favourable response. The second aspect relates to a promise made, even if sincere, when the speaker has absolutely no idea of how to even start to bring it about or, worse, knows full well that it can never be fulfilled. In respect of lying itself, is it a lie to keep the truth to onesself knowing full well that, by doing so, another is being misled?
    Cheers
  68. MR. oz from Canada writes: Politicians do lye! I believe K. H schre... .s words more than that of a certain politicians words
  69. A. Dreemer from Canada writes: If only people who never lie could enter politics, we'd have no politicians.
    Now that sure would be great.
  70. Andrew Toth from Oliver, Canada writes: Look at it on the surface folks. You know when you have heard a lie. You get a feeling things just don't feel right. So then for example, a parliamentary comittee goes back and checks the states made by Ms. George. Why did they? Ever ask yourself that? Yes they had a felling things didn't line up, so they checked her stated facts, haha, facts, and found them false. So she is in Contempt of Parliament. Otherwise, she gave them B.S. No doubt she probably thought she got away with it. Such as a Ms. Valeria Bonga, lawyer in Penticton. B.C. has probably thought by apologiing for her little transgression she has set things right. Well she hasn't, set things right, she is caught up in a lie, under sworn oath and that ladies and gentleman is Perjury.

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