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China vows to compensate victims in Lhasa violence

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Latest comment posted at 12:07 PM EDT 29/03/08

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  1. Levap K from Burlington, Canada writes: Victims? I am sure it will be Han Chinese. The real victims will get decades of another period living under the communist yoke.
  2. BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: Now the truth come, this is not a simply peaceful protests by the monks. This is well planning, well organizing, it take them seven years of planning in order to humiliate Chinese people at the game, and Canadian such as KATE WOZNOW, FREYA PUTT and more are take a leading role in the planning, so the Chinese government is right, the DALAI LAMA clique is behide this incident which he still try to deny. well, what this people doesn't know is, by doing this, they are not anger the Chinese government but will anger 1.3 billion Chinese people(1.3 billion people with NUCLEAR ARMS and it's surporters around the world). Chinese people today is not the weak Chinese people in the past 200 years, any movement against them will fail badly in the end. Unfortunately, the Tibetants Chinese living in Tibet will suffer even more just because of this EVIL ORGANIZATION
  3. K Z from Canada writes: Levap K, Victim? 'I am sure it will be Han Chinese. The real victims will get decades of another period living under the communist yoke.'

    How cold-blood are you? Because they died as Han Chinese, they are not 'real' victim? Actually, as far as I know, a Tibetan shop girl was burnt to death along with four Han girls, they are inocent people and I am really saddened they died so young and so tradgic. Levap, you have lost a big part of humanity because of your 'noble cause'.
  4. Levap K from Burlington, Canada writes: K Z from Canada writes: Levap K, Victim? 'I am sure it will be Han Chinese. The real victims will get decades of another period living under the communist yoke.'

    How cold-blood are you? Because they died as Han Chinese, they are not 'real' victim? Actually, as far as I know, a Tibetan shop girl was burnt to death along with four Han girls, they are inocent people and I am really saddened they died so young and so tradgic. Levap, you have lost a big part of humanity because of your 'noble cause'.
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    Cold blooded? You have a lot to learn about communism. Tibet has nothing to do with 1.2 billion of Chinese. It is about the oppressive communist system!

    Communism is as distant as Moon is, if not even more to people on this continent!
  5. Rob L from Vancouver, Canada writes: A victim is a victim is a victim, regardless whether they're Hans or Tibetants or other ethnic minorities. There were other ethnic minorities in Tibet that had their shops trashed. What do you know about communism, Levap k?
  6. Levap K from Burlington, Canada writes: Rob L from Vancouver, Canada writes: A victim is a victim is a victim, regardless whether they're Hans or Tibetants or other ethnic minorities. There were other ethnic minorities in Tibet that had their shops trashed. What do you know about communism, Levap k?
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    I guess it was just coincidence that I was born and lived in a country that was invaded by Soviets in 1968. My dad was thirty-five years old, when our country was occupied by Nazi Germany. This occupation was replaced by the Soviet occupation barely three years after the Second World War. May dad died eighty-five years old and four months before 1989 demise of communism. Such was life of my parents generation
  7. X. T. from Canada writes: Levap K from Burlington:
    I see, you are from a European tinpot otherwise called Czeckoslovakia. Sorry dude, your experiences does not represent what happens in China.
  8. K Z from Canada writes: Rob L, Do you think Dalai Lama still has sufficient inflenue on oversee Tibetans, especially on young generation of Tibetans?
  9. Rob L from Vancouver, Canada writes: I think the Dalai Lama is losing influence on the younger generation, who are more connected to the overseas Tibetan organizations. As I said in another posting, these overseas organizations do not even have the same goal as Dalai Lama, who is a moderate advocating more autonomous but not independence. Yet all these other overseas organizations are doing everything they can to antagonize the Chinese government and push for independence. These groups have totally hijacked the Dalai Lama's work. Whatever chance the Dalai Lama had of negotiating with the Chinese government, it's gone now.
  10. Jim Saxon from Canada writes: This is too late too little. THere is no doubt all victims - Tibetans and Chinese - need help. But this cycle of violence and oppression is not going to end if China keeps on occupying Tibet. THEY NEED TO GET OUT NOW! And all Chinese Communist Party apologists - go have a drink of Cool Aid, read and think about the basic principles of democracy, mull over the basic rights of life, liberty and freedom of religion (may not come easy after decades of living under Communist propaganda) and then come back and talk in this forum.
  11. Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes: The Globe and Mail wrote in another one of their article: 'Last May, the Dalai Lama's Tibetan government-in-exile put together a meeting in Brussels of all the major Tibet organizations — there are hundreds, and they're organized under a Washington-based umbrella group, the International Tibet Support Network. There, the exiled Tibetans decided that the Olympics should be the single focus of their activities for the next 15 months, and they hired a full-time organizer for the Olympic-disruption campaign.'

    What a joke! So the riot of the crazy monk mobs who set fire to shops and beat some innocent Chinese civillians to death WERE a well-planned and well-organized event!

    Violence should be condemned. The Government of China should be cracking down on those terrorists who staged that terrorist attack within the borders of China. The rest of the world should get out and mind their own business. I don't see the Govenment of China making suggestions to the United States for handling 9/11.
  12. K Z from Canada writes: 'Why they hate China', by Justin Raimondo

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585

    An in-depth analysis behind all the fuss about China.
  13. L Chang from Ontario, Canada writes: So the riots are not dictated by god. Wonder who fund the group as well as all the activities and travelling? I love free travel, any offer? Since I am a Canadian, I will be protected and I can cry wolf on how bad China is if anything does happen.
  14. Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm tired of others who 'lump' all persons of Chinese ethnicity into the category of 'Communist'. I was born and raised in Canada, so by no means, am I a communist. I only have a Canadian passport.
    My ethnicity is Chinese but I am a Canadian.

    What a lot of people fail to do is put into consideration the cultural and historical factors when understanding this issue. They fail to see the incredibly hard task of managing a country with 1.3 billion people (1/5 of the world's population) and think governing a country is fun and easy. The China twenty years ago, the China ten or five years ago, the China now, is drastically different from one another. A lot of people fail to recognize that China has improved its conditions for its people in economic, financial, political areas; however, change in a society takes time.

    Stop using your frame of reference to determine how the world should run. The 'norm' in the Western world is not the 'norm' in Asia. Don't pity people in the East and think they want your life here in the West. They don't.
  15. White Jade from Ireland writes: Jim Saxon from Canada writes: ..read and think about the basic principles of democracy, mull over the basic rights of life..

    Why dont you put your money where your chinese keyboard is and lobby your govt for the basic rights of the Inuit in the northern territories who are being used to bolster canada's claim on the artic, or to settle the foot-dragging land claims of the First Nations, or the peddling of guns with which to murder innocent school children by your neighbour to the south..or....to many to mention..
  16. K Z from Canada writes: Rob L, that is what I am worried, the riot has greatly narrowed, if not totally shut down, the door of negotiations. From perspective of Chinese government, if Dalai Lama is still in control of his followers, then the blame of the violent events must be on him. On the contrary, why should they negotiate with a person who are no longer in control with his people?
  17. Ed Lewis from Sanityville, Canada writes: Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes: 'I was born and raised in Canada, so by no means, am I a communist. I only have a Canadian passport. My ethnicity is Chinese but I am a Canadian.'


    'Stop using your frame of reference to determine how the world should run. The 'norm' in the Western world is not the 'norm' in Asia. Don't pity people in the East and think they want your life here in the West. They don't.'

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    And being born and raised in Canada you would be any more qualified in making this statement than any other Canadian how? You apologist/appeasers are absolutely laughable.
  18. J PAN from toronto, Canada writes: Tibet became one part of China hundreds years before European set their first foot on the North American continent. Every Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama should be recognized by the central government of China before they sworn in, even the current Dalai Lama was recognized by the government of Republic of China (at that time ROC is the central government of China).

    if you guy want China out of Tibet, you out of North America FIRST!
  19. K Z from Canada writes: Ed Lewis, how is your Chinese product boycotting going?

    A friendly reminder, when you buy a device or appliance, please not only make sure there is no made-in-China on it, but also take it apart to see any components look like made in China, though this is a quite difficult since no label or mark on parts, but I trust as smart as you are, you are able to figure it out. Oh, I almost forget, some products are made by Chinese living here, as a devotee like you, you may find a way to identify them.

    Good luck with your boycutting (sorry for my broken English).
  20. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'White Jade from Ireland writes: Why dont you put your money where your chinese keyboard is and lobby your govt for the basic rights of the Inuit in the northern territories who are being used to bolster canada's claim on the artic, or to settle the foot-dragging land claims of the First Nations,'

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    it may be slow but the native land claims are being settled.

    KUUJJUAQ, Que. -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper could end up with a remote Quebec island named after him following a land-claim deal with the Inuit of the province's northern Nunavik region.

    After almost three decades of on-and-off negotiation, the people of Nunavik will get a new national park, new resource rights, administrative controls, and $54 million over nine years.

    It's the last major Inuit land claim in Canada and, to celebrate its legislative royal assent last month, Harper flew up to the isolated northern Quebec community of Kuujjuaq on Friday.

    perhaps in the future, you could stick to commenting on the relevant article. in this case, chinese compensation to those hurt in the riots in tibet.
  21. Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes: Ed Lewis, what statement did I make that angered you? I did NOT say I am more qualified any other Canadian. Why put words in my mouth?

    I was merely talking about people who lump all people of Chinese ethnicity into one category. Are you one of those people?

    I never personally attacked you. Yet you have chosen to call me an 'apologist/appeaser' and labelled me as 'absolutely laughable.'

    Can you please try to focus on the discussion and not start any personal insults? I hope we can have a civilized discussion, not just an attack of words.
  22. White Jade from Ireland writes: Ed Lewis from Sanityville, Canada writes: Canadian Chinese..

    So Ed Dude, anyone who speaks against the rioting thugs is an 'apologist' for the PRC? These labels are part of the smear tactics of those who are against freedom of speect and everything the West stands for - you just dont want another viewpoint to be aired.
  23. Repeatedly Censored from Mini Bushland, Canada writes: Globe, 'How Three Canadians Upstaged Beijing' points to something silly and counterproductive, and you obviously know it ('comments closed'!...)
  24. White Jade from Ireland writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes:...perhaps in the future, you could stick to commenting..

    dude, i dont need a sermon from you on what is relevant to this post or not. You obviously didnt read the post i was responding to. next time myob if you dont care to follow the trail.
  25. Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes: I have to clarify, I was guilty of using my own frame of reference to view others in the past. I used to think people in China would want to live my life here in Toronto. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I failed to ask the people of China what they think.

    This is a comment I have posted beforehand ---- 'Stop using your frame of reference to determine how the world should run. The norm in the Western world is not the norm in Asia. Don't pity people in the East and think they want your life here in the West. They don't.'

    I am guilty of this too. I need to get off my high horse. I shouldn't blindly believe that because we value certain things here, that should automatically means other people in the world value or want the same things!

    Good thing I can read Chinese (thanks to my parents for making me take Chinese classes). Now I have the privilege of going onto Chinese websites to learn more about the thoughts and feelings of people in China (some, not all).

    I'm so lucky I have the privilege of knowing the two most common languages in the world -- English and Chinese. It makes it so much easier for me to compare issues in the East and the West, since I know the language!
  26. BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: Anyone who speak against the rioting thus is an ' apologist' for the PRC, ANY DIFFERANCE view point to the rioting thus' surporters is evil, it's very clear that this rioters and thier backers are worst than communist.
  27. White Jade from Ireland writes: Repeatedly Censored from Mini Bushland, Canada writes: Globe, 'How Three..

    Yep, I saw that...there were some good posts there too. Now here's an article where the globe unexplicably was lauding a bunch of bums who were inciting a riot in Lhasa and have been planning this for 7 years. If the muslims were planning something like this against canada's hosting of the next G7 summit, i wonder how the globe would describe them.
  28. Rachel L from Canada writes: To all activitists out there, sometimes a cause you stand for might be noble in your eyes, however, what you may fail to realize is that the heads of governments in the world are just using you in their game of politics. Whoever thinks 'free Tibet' was just about 'free Tibet', you are wrong. In the stage of world politics, the 'free Tibet' cause is just a pawn.

    Justin Raimondo's article on the anti-war.com website is a great read. http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585
    To K Z from Canada, thanks for this amazing article you posted!

    We should all be promoting anti-war and work on finding a win-win solutions.
  29. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'White Jade from Ireland writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes:...perhaps in the future, you could stick to commenting..

    dude, i dont need a sermon from you on what is relevant to this post or not. You obviously didnt read the post i was responding to. next time myob if you dont care to follow the trail.'

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    what jim saxon wrote was at least china related. you may not like it, and if so respond to it in a way that is relevant. instead you decided to bring something into the discussion that's not even remotely connected to the article. and people wonder why these china related articles turn into nothing but mud slinging..... but do carry on.... i wont comment on your writing further.
  30. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: by the way, this is not a globe and mail article lauding anything. this article is from reuters.
  31. Ms. Dolittle from Canada writes: The truth behind the Western reaction to the Tibetan riots is that they want to keep the exotic Shangri-La for themselves, yet the dog-eating Chinese now have it. A few days ago, Columbia University's Tibetan specialist Robert Barnett suggests that in order to reduce the Tibetan resentment, Chinese government should prohibit mass tourism and replace it with 'elite tourism'. If Chinese government adopts his idea, average Chinese will not be allowed to travel to Tibet. Tibet will be open to foreigners (re: white people), people with lots of money, 'scholars' like Robert Barnett himself, 'artists' like Bjork only. Believe, those 'freedom' lovers in the West won't consider this idea authoritarian and undemocratic because they benefit from it. Also, I'm not too sure it will have positive impact on Tibetan economy.
  32. L Chang from Ontario, Canada writes: To K Z from Canada: I also thank you for referring this article.

    Justin Raimondo's article on the anti-war.com website is a great read. http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585
  33. K Z from Canada writes: Rachel L, I am glad that you like the article. Justin Raimondo's wisdom and cynicism amazes me. Contrarily, some mainstream media are shaming themselves into a propaganda war with Chinese government on Tibet events and claim they have moral high ground on this.
  34. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'Ms. Dolittle from Canada writes: The truth behind the Western reaction to the Tibetan riots is that they want to keep the exotic Shangri-La for themselves, yet the dog-eating Chinese now have it. A few days ago, Columbia University's Tibetan specialist Robert Barnett suggests that in order to reduce the Tibetan resentment, Chinese government should prohibit mass tourism and replace it with 'elite tourism''

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    have you got a source (link) for what mr barnett said? i'd be interested in reading that myself.
  35. BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: it is very stupid for the people who are barking to boycott the OLYMPIC game, they just don't know, a lot people in China now are talking to CANCELL the game altogether because the game is not for China alone, it is for whole world. Why should China have to subsidizing billions of dollars to host the game?? China get any benefits from it? NO. Ask other country which host the game before, they still in deep DEBTs long after the game is over,like the one held in Montreal back in 1976, go ahead, boycott the game, so China can save billions of dollar and spend that on weapons.
  36. Andy X from Canada writes: 'I see, you are from a European tinpot otherwise called Czeckoslovakia. ' X. T.

    X.T., my man, why is that your 'Ah Q' spirit does not even show a rudimentary sign of waning?
  37. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: it is very stupid for the people who are barking to boycott the OLYMPIC game, they just don't know, a lot people in China now are talking to CANCELL the game altogether because the game is not for China alone, it is for whole world. Why should China have to subsidizing billions of dollars to host the game?? China get any benefits from it? NO. Ask other country which host the game before, they still in deep DEBTs long after the game is over,like the one held in Montreal back in 1976, go ahead, boycott the game, so China can save billions of dollar and spend that on weapons.'

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    the money for the olympics has already been spent by china. if the games are cancelled as you suggest, then the only money being saved will be by foreigners who wont be going to beijing in august. thats money lost for china.
  38. Tesla Pupin from Canada writes:
    BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: it is very stupid for the people who are barking to boycott the OLYMPIC game, they just don't know, a lot people in China now are talking to CANCELL the game altogether

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    I think this is exactly what's going to happen, along with some serious downgrading of trade and cooperation with the West.
  39. B Lam from Canada writes: Levap would probably think that the best thing to do right now is nuke China and kill all Chinese on earth. The earth will have forever peace.

    The killing of the 4 Han Chinese was just a right start.
  40. BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes.................. James C, there still plenty of money save, the money save from security on hundred thousand of police, these police resource are better use if indeed the game are cancelled, the money save on hundred of thousand of volunteers who take time of from work, money save from energy use ,etc.
  41. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: So, it is now fact that those TI'ers planned and staged the riot in Tibet.

    I have nothing but to say that we should lend our full support to Chinese government on this riot.
  42. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: Ms. Dolittle from Canada writes: '... Chinese government should prohibit mass tourism and replace it with 'elite tourism' '. So this is the so called 'Human rights'.
  43. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: James C: you haven't answered my question on another thread,

    'When lacking sources, can journalists cook a news report?' , please answer this.
  44. B Lam from Canada writes: K Z from Canada writes: Ed Lewis, how is your Chinese product boycotting going?

    Just a friendly reminder to all boycott China supporters. Before you mention anything on this thread about boycott China, please make sure your keyboard, monitor, computer are not made in China. Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself already. Also, be careful of catching a cold while you read the G&M naked.
  45. SpringFire in Forest from China writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'the money for the olympics has already been spent by china. if the games are cancelled as you suggest, then the only money being saved will be by foreigners who wont be going to beijing in august. thats money lost for china. ' Chinese government used to spend billions on telling us how sinister the anti-China force is. We thought this was not real. Now we know the truth. Chinese government can cut back on this spending, I guess.
  46. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: US allies, please open dialouge with Bin Laden, we hope people in the world live peacefully.............
  47. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Tesla Pupin from Canada writes:

    'I think this is exactly what's going to happen, along with some serious downgrading of trade and cooperation with the West.'

    If West wants to trade with us, it is fine. If West wants cooperation from us, we will think about it....
  48. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: James C: you haven't answered my question on another thread, 'When lacking sources, can journalists cook a news report?' , please answer this.'

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    i didnt see your question. would you mind giving me some context for it.
  49. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: B Lam from Canada writes:

    'Just a friendly reminder to all boycott China supporters. Before you mention anything on this thread about boycott China, please make sure your keyboard, monitor, computer are not made in China. Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself already. Also, be careful of catching a cold while you read the G&M naked. '

    The West will not damage their own interest, for sure. Those dead Han (and Tibetan) Chinese and exiled Tibetans are collateral damage.
  50. James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes: 'BRAMPTON ON from Canada writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes.................. James C, there still plenty of money save, the money save from security on hundred thousand of police, ... the money save on hundred of thousand of volunteers who take time of from work, money save from energy use ,etc.'

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    most of the money spent on the olympics was on infrastructure costs though - stadium/athletes village/other facilities/relocating tens of thousands of people who were living on what became the olympic sites. the IT/communications at the beijing olympics reportedly cost $400 million. all that money has already been spent.

    much of what you list above are costs that will be incurred whether or not the games happen - police/military/security, they get paid their salary regardless of what happens. any savings will be minimal and will be more than offset by the losses of tens of thousands of foreigners who wouldnt be spending money in beijing if the games were cancelled. not to mention advertising contracts that wont be fulfilled. where did you hear the olympics might be cancelled?
  51. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    The biggest spending is for transportation, new subways and new airport terminals, but yes they have less to do with the game.

    The apartments built for athletes are scheduled for sale anyway.

    So actually very little was spent on the game itself.
  52. Angela C from Armstrong, Canada writes: 'norm' in the Western world is not the 'norm' in Asia. Don't pity people in the East and think they want your life here in the West. They don't.

    If that is true then why are so many of them immigrating here? When I am travelling in asia why do so many people tell me how lucky I am to be born in a western country? Why is it so difficult for people in many parts of Asia to get a tourist visa to come here? Why do so many who do get tourist visa's choose to stay here instead of going home? How many Canadian's apply for refugee status in China?
  53. Rachel L from Canada writes: The Toronto Star had an interesting article by Bill Schiller, which included comments from human rights activitists. The following is an excerpt from: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/349659 ----------------------------------------------------- Sharon Hom, head of Human Rights in China, a New York-based group formed in March 1989. Despite her reputation as a tireless human rights campaigner, Hom doesn't support a boycott. 'We don't support it, nor does the Dalai Lama,' she says, adding that there's no advantage in an 'all or nothing' approach. 'What we need is discussion – engagement.' ---------------------------------------------------- Susan Brownell, a Fulbright scholar and guest professor at Beijing Sports University, strongly opposes any boycott. 'I personally feel that a boycott would be a terrible idea,' she says. 'It would be similar to what happened after June 4, 1989 (the Tiananmen massacre). A boycott would set China's interconnection with the West back another seven to 10 years.' Brownell, who has been travelling to China for more than 20 years, says the Olympics have already had a positive impact. 'They're changing China even as we speak,' she says. 'But not in ways that make headlines.' Countless human interactions, corporate sponsorships, Games' organization, academic conferences and educational exchanges have increased 'exponentially' during her time. All of that has sped up the 'internationalization' of China dramatically, she says. Because of the negative results of past boycotts, 'the sentiment against boycotts within the International Olympic Committee is stronger than ever. They didn't accomplish anything positive.' ----------------------------------------------------
  54. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: Ms. Dolittle from Canada writes: '... Chinese government should prohibit mass tourism and replace it with 'elite tourism' '. So this is the so called 'Human rights'.
  55. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes:
    'Tibet's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has once again appealed for China's leaders to engage in 'meaningful dialogue' over the issue. -- BBC News'

    Can someone enlighten me why do we want talk to him? He denied any link to this riot. Can he be trusted on this?
  56. White Jade from Ireland writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China ....

    James C your pomposity is laughable...saxon's article was about 'basic democratic rights' which applies to everyone and not just china. another one of your feeble attempts to weasel out of accountability for the west's own brutality. The article I referred to was by Doug Saunders chief of G&M european bureau - again you show your amateruish investigative abilities..I hope you keep your word and dont comment further.
  57. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    No, you don't talk to somebody who can't control.
  58. K Z from Canada writes: Chinese Canadian, 'When lacking sources, can journalists cook a news report?'

    Your question may establish an equivalence with another question raised by to TI activitists here who always shunned answering:

    When feeling oppressed, are you justified to kill, beat and root innocent civilians?
  59. tulip7 R from woodbridge, Canada writes: L Chang from Ontario, Canada writes: So the riots are not dictated by god. Wonder who fund the group as well as all the activities and travelling?

    I have the same question. Who behind this?

    The roits give a lot of trouble to the Chinese goverment. But they do not realize is that Chinese government is a very strong government has the ability to deal with everything. Also actually what they do definitely help the Chinese in the whole world getting closer to the Chinese government.
  60. P DF from Canada writes: James C from Chaozhou, Guangdong, China writes:
    most of the money spent on the olympics was on infrastructure costs though - stadium/athletes village/other facilities/relocating tens of thousands of people who were living on what became the olympic sites. the IT/communications at the beijing olympics reportedly cost $400 million. all that money has already been spent.

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    Government spending on infrastructure (or war for certain countries) is not necessarily a bad thing. It boosts economy when domestic demand is weak. The Chinese used to be afraid of spending (in some cases wasting) money, but they have learned from the west recently that spending some times is good for the economy.
  61. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    If Dalai says he can not control, then no talks, no point to talk.

    And boycott or something like that is out of question, unless you want to see your products boycotted first in China.

    We are seeing the end of the event, nothing will change.
  62. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: 'Tibet's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has once again appealed for China's leaders to engage in 'meaningful dialogue' over the issue. -- BBC News' Can someone enlighten me why do we want talk to him? He denied any link to this riot. Can he be trusted on this? Yes, exactly, if he has no control on his follwers, then Chinese Government has no need to have any dialogue with him. On the other hand, if he still have influence and control over his followers, then his first thing nedd be done is to take the responsibility of the riot
  63. Fifay Chu from Canada writes: Yes, this is a good one 'How three Canadians upstaged Beijing'. Now, we know that three women including a daughter of slave owners upstaged the riot that has killed innocent people. You certainly got your fame via violence. Now, we know that Tibetans are not peace loving people. Instead, Tibetans love “freedom” of killing, looting and burning properties.
  64. Richard N from Ottawa, Canada writes: they should compensate families of the hundreds of thousands of tibetans too who died after tibet was 'liberated'. also the teenage tibetan nun who was shot and killed in sep 2006 fleeing across to nepal when chinese paramilitary shot her and other unarmed refugees 'in self-defence'
  65. Tesla Pupin from Canada writes:

    SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Tesla Pupin from Canada writes:

    'I think this is exactly what's going to happen, along with some serious downgrading of trade and cooperation with the West.'

    If West wants to trade with us, it is fine. If West wants cooperation from us, we will think about it....
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    Yes, that's how I understand the situation too.

    I also think the whole Tibet 'crisis' has very little (if anything) to do with Tibet itself.

    Look at the big picture and read the small print.
  66. P DF from Canada writes: SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes:
    'Tibet's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, has once again appealed for China's leaders to engage in 'meaningful dialogue' over the issue. -- BBC News'

    Can someone enlighten me why do we want talk to him? He denied any link to this riot. Can he be trusted on this?

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    It might be true that he does not have direct link to the riot, which shows that he may not be able to control the action of his followers. If that's the case, why would the Chinese government want to negotiate with him?
  67. Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:

    The compensation thing is a very powerful message sent out:

    The dead Han families will be compensated, but dead Tibetan rioter's don't have it.

    Think about it next time you want to riot, a pretty stunning message.
  68. Richard N from Ottawa, Canada writes: tibetans will suffer more now thanks to han racism whipped up by ignorence and hatred promoted by the Chinese Communist Party. Most han have never been to tibet and certainly few would know any Tibetans, yet they claim it is the west that doesn't know the true situation there. If anybody knows its the tibetans, but they have no freedom of expression. China of course, couldn't care less about its own citizens
  69. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: Tesla Pupin from Canada writes:

    I also think the whole Tibet 'crisis' has very little (if anything) to do with Tibet itself.
    Look at the big picture and read the small print.

    Yes, you pointed out the right spot........Cold war never ended!!!!
    Tibetan are only pawns in fighting China
  70. Richard N from Ottawa, Canada writes: Chinese citizens are the real pawns. Why do you think the CCP has managed to stay in power so long. Think about it.
  71. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: G&M, please open comments section on thread:
    'How three Canadians upstaged Beijing',

    Let discuss who are really behind this tibet Riot. CIA wad behind 1959's,
  72. K Z from Canada writes: Richard N, your assumption that most people here haven't been to Tibet can also be applied to most TI activitist here.
    Ironically, a few years ago, when a group of American Tibetan women went to Beijing to attend the World Women Conference, they criticized of human right abuse in Tibet in English and argued with a group of local Tibetan representives who retorted the accusations. The local women asked ' most of you don't even speak Tibetan langague, how could you speak for Tibetan women?'
  73. Tesla Pupin from Canada writes: Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: Cold war never ended!!!!

    *****

    Nope, and from what I can see it's about to get even colder then before.
  74. Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:

    When I first read the headline on this article I thought that it meant that the Communist dictatorship that has been brutalizing its own people and the innocents of Tibet for the last half-century were going to compensate all the Tibetans (and their surviving families) whom they have arrested, detained, imprisoned, tortured, murdered and stolen their country from.

    But then I read the text and, of course, they only mean to compensate those Chinese whom they had moved into Tibet to economically exploit the Tibetans and execute China's policy of cultural genocide.

    It just goes to show that a casually read headline can be misleading.
  75. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Richard N from Ottawa, Canada writes:

    'also the teenage tibetan nun who was shot and killed in sep 2006 fleeing across to nepal when chinese paramilitary shot her and other unarmed refugees 'in self-defence' '

    This is news to me. Any link to it or third party verified report on this?
  76. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Richard N from Ottawa, Canada writes:

    'tibetans will suffer more now thanks to han racism whipped up by ignorence and hatred promoted by the Chinese Communist Party. '

    Now it is clear that some anti-China force is behind the riot, why should we blame our Tibetan brothers on this? You are not make any sense.

    'Most han have never been to tibet and certainly few would know any Tibetans, yet they claim it is the west that doesn't know the true situation there. If anybody knows its the tibetans, but they have no freedom of expression. China of course, couldn't care less about its own citizens'

    If all of us go there, there won't be enough space for everyone. But I personally had a driving trip with several of my friends. It is really beautiful. Very impressive. I did not sense any hatred towards us.

    It is true that some government officials do not care enough about the citizens...but I believe that this is a different issue. Do you agree with me?
  77. Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:
    Chinese Canadian From Canada:

    I notice that in your post of 12:15 pm you said, of China talking directly to the Dalai Lama, quote: '...why do we want talk to him?'

    Why do you refer to yourself and China as 'we'? You identify yourself and the Chinese government as one but you describe yourself as a Canadian living in Canada. Is your loyalty to China or Canada? I see that you have many posts on this site when the issue involves China but none on Canadian issues.

    Why do you live in Canada if China has your first loyalty?
  78. Angela C from Armstrong, Canada writes: Here is a link to a story about the Tibetan nun being shot:

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061014/videotibetans061014/20061014/
  79. Tesla Pupin from Canada writes: Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes: It just goes to show that a casually read headline can be misleading.

    ********

    But of course...A carefuly read article can very often be as misleading. Isn't this the essence of today's mainstream media?
  80. Andy X from Canada writes: 'It might be true that he does not have direct link to the riot, which shows that he may not be able to control the action of his followers. If that's the case, why would the Chinese government want to negotiate with him?' - P DF

    I was waiting for someone to say something like that. They said exactly the same about Arafat or Abbas, and look what they've got themselves.

    Turn Tibet into Gaza. Make China the pariah.

    Don't talk or negotiate. Keep plowing ahead - after all, who needs Dalai's Middleway when we got our own state religion: the religion of relentless progressivism, the religion of twenty-years-of-'stability-and-development' at-any-cost-will-get-us-another-Singapore - only a thousand times bigger and better, the religion of unfettered social darwinism mixed with 'the son-of-heavon is always right'.

    Tibet? Peasants complaining about pollution? Falung gong? House churches? What bloody distraction and nuisance - roadkills on the Motherland's UNSTOPPABLE march toward the 'peaceful rise' to our destiny. How can these gravy-train riders be so short-sighted? Don't they realize that they'll be 'rich' once we are all 'rich'? Oh right, they are saboteurs! Everyone of them CIA-sponsored maggots! They all want us to lose, to be poor, to suffer, to lose face, to look bad ...

    We must not talk to Dalai, we must forge ahead uninterrupted by anything, or anyone, even if they can help to save us in the end. What do you mean by saving us? No, if we Chinese folks have only gotten one thing, we have our PRIDE - and that is OUR RELIGION and the only thing matters and the only thing sustains us, isn't it?
  81. Global Citizen from Canada writes: The report 'How three Canadians upstaged Beijing' gives credence to Chinese governments accusations that the riot in Tibet was a well-planned and organized effort. Although I have to differ on pointing the blame to Dalai Lama who seemed making a genuine effort in breaking connection to this group's violent method. He can foresee the much suffering by all victims down the path.

    This plan and actions have been seven years in the making and hatched soon after the award of the game to China. The escalation of violence will serve non other than further alienating China and its people towards the West. Dalai has been steadfastly supporting the game in Beijing for this reason, Condoleezza Rice has also decided against boycotting the game for not to be seen as humiliating the Chinese people.

    The action of these 3 Canadians is irresponsible and immature, it will backfire on them when their volatile actions turned much more violent, and lose the public support in the West?

    Funny how G&M should close the comments on that article, there were already 76 comments when I was reading the first page - there is not black and white, but different shade of grey in censoring?
  82. tulip7 R from woodbridge, Canada writes: Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: G&M, please open comments section on thread: 'How three Canadians upstaged Beijing',
    Let discuss who are really behind this tibet Riot. CIA wad behind 1959's.------------------Yes, That is a 8 years plan. Who is behind this?
  83. Levap K from Burlington, Canada writes: THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMN TO REPEAT IT!
  84. K Z from Canada writes: Chinese Canadian: Let discuss who are really behind this tibet Riot. CIA wad behind 1959's

    The below article may be a starter for the discussion:
    Tibet, the 'great game' and the CIA
    By Richard M Bennett

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html
  85. Levap K from Burlington, Canada writes: Sorry it runaway on me:
    THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMN TO REPEAT IT! (George Santayna)

    It is basically what history is about. Will we ever learn? I don't have too far to go, and I can see how many of you are bound to repeat. Try to remember what George Santayna said!
  86. Tom inCanada from Canada writes: ' Canadian Chinese Girl from Toronto, Canada writes:

    What a joke! So the riot of the crazy monk mobs who set fire to shops and beat some innocent Chinese civillians to death WERE a well-planned and well-organized event!'

    Anyone want an objective/non-biased mind would have to know this riot is well planned ahead of time. Howcome only non-tibetan shops/houses were destroyed? Howcome graffiti signs appeared on non-tibetan shops before the riotes begin and almost all signed shops got destroyed/burned? And howcome Tibetan shops have white scarfs hang to it and they were not damaged?
  87. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Angela C from Armstrong, Canada writes:

    'Here is a link to a story about the Tibetan nun being shot'

    I can access www.ctv.ca but not the link. Could you repost it?
  88. K Z from Canada writes: The Chinese demonstration at Yonge/Dunas, Toronto is now on, there are more than 1000 people there. They sung 'O Canada' at first.
  89. Chinese Canadian from Canada writes: Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes: I love China the same as I love Canada. I don't have to love one and hate the other. This is freedom and human rights.
  90. CHRIS H from Canada writes: For China it is a real dilemma... If the riots caused talk to dalai and caused compromise to his return to Tibet for leadership...

    then the violent protest can be a option for a part of XinJiang and inner Mongolia's muslin chinese and Mon chinese to do the samething to make some spot light. If Xinjiang and inner Mongolia do the same as tibet..then China facing a country break up issue which is more important for the PRC govement than the olympic game.. If the country facing break up as Soviet Union...they will not care the olympic game and they will do anything to keep the country united..
  91. Angela C from Armstrong, Canada writes: Do a search for Tibetan Nun Shot CTV and the story will come up.
  92. Andy X from Canada writes: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html

    I read that article the day if was published. CIA was involved in everything from Tibet, Taiwan, Singapore's separation from Malaysia, to Eritrea. This is consistent with USA's self-described global interest and global reach. There is little need in my mind to debate that. We know it was, and is still involved, in different manners at different stages.

    It would be surprising to me if the CIA wasn't involved in ANY way.

    It must mean something to someone that in this article, even when the CIA top dogs folded their Tibetan operation 'officially', there were enough rank-and-filers on the ground who felt that the Tibetans had enough of a cause that warranted these agents 'turning to prayers learned from their days with the Dalai lama'.

    Are they all hardened China-hating Rambo-worshippers who got nothing better to do than fighting for some nobodies in the Himalayas? As I said before, this isn't about the CIA, or the monks, or Dalai himself.

    Everything on this Tibetan debate is about China.

    There are indeed some even in my own family who believe that the West only respects strength and there is no right or wrong but only interest at stake. Very British perhaps. Unfortunately, GWB and his neocon company made matters infinitely worse. But even before this sorry lot came to power, top-echelon Chinese technoautocrats in the post-Mao era have been such unrepentant believers in Social Darwinism that calamity is only a matter of time, IMHO.

    China needs Dalai more than Dalai needs China.
  93. P cheng from ottawa, Canada writes: Republic of Saturn from Canada writes:
    The biggest spending is for transportation, new subways and new airport terminals, but yes they have less to do with the game.

    The apartments built for athletes are scheduled for sale anyway.

    So actually very little was spent on the game itself.
    ================>
    Interesting comment? Why we need to spent hundred million dollar by the cnd government. Some one cook the book. We need an INQUIRY.

  94. SpringFire in Forest from ShengZheng, China writes: Angela C from Armstrong, Canada writes:

    'Do a search for Tibetan Nun Shot CTV and the sto