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  1. bj sutherland from Victoria, Canada writes: Right now we all could use a little more hot weather. But be prepared when the global warming comes get out the mosquito nets and cover yourselves in Deet all you Canucks.
  2. The Religious Left from Canada writes:
    Queue the anti-science brigade:
  3. Antonio San from Canada writes: The Ontario College of Physician would be well inspired to educate themselves about meteorology: "A two-week heat wave in France in 2003 is cited as one startling example, when about 15,000 people died prematurely as the country was struck by intense heat." THIS is of course a complete nonsense. They would learn from Prof. Marcel Leroux, climatologist that the 2003 Heat wave had nothing to do with AGW and in fact its origin demonstarted the contrary of AGW. Anticyclone accumulations settled over Europe sign of stronger pressure field, pushing cloud coverage further south. This indeed shows a strength in these MPH that is incompatioble with AGW -that suggest warming at the pole-. Let's hope these Physicians know more about their own field otherwise, AGW or not, We the public are in trouble!
  4. George Hall from Canada writes: It would be a tragic error for this planet to deny the existence of global warming. Because you deny something it does not make it go away.
    This country is in dire need of true leadership.
    I think business and industry are willling to deal with the matter but Canada lacks leadership and the present Harper government only looks to the U S for action.l
  5. Bart Farquart from Calgary, Canada writes:
    Climate Porn installment de jour.

    One would have to admit, however, that cases of frostbite, hypothermia, weather related car wrecks, and "nasty falls" on the ice would decline.
  6. Antonio San from Canada writes: George Hall inform yourself on the subject: it's about science.
  7. Carl C. from Canada writes: Do not worry, most people know the ocnsequences of global warming, only the governments and those paid by industry pressure group don't seem to take heed of the changes that climate change will require.
  8. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Oh, so now doctors are "climate experts". Is that the same group that said the science was settled on things like stomach ulcers and forced tens if not hundreds of thousands of people to surgery only to find out that ulcers were caused by Helicobacter pylori? (I mean, after all, Robin Warren and Barry Marshall were "deniers" of the "scientific consensus" and were pilloried by their know-it-all white coated peers who were so damned sure of themselves)

    The transmission of diseases like West Nile, etc., are far more the result of the mobility of people throughout the world than of some nonsensical global warming theorem. Maybe doctors should stick to their own knitting. Far more people are likely to die from the mistakes doctors make in their own practices. Physician heal thyself.

    What a crock.
  9. Joe Canada from Kingston, Canada writes: From the article: "Physicians say too many don't realize public health risk posed by global warming."

    I have paid my dues in full for this year to the flat earth society, I am a denier, I am paid by big oil...blah, blah, blah.....but has anyone else noticed that when it's snowing and global temperatures are dropping, it is referred to as "climate change" but when the negative affects are due to temperature increase, it's now called "global warming".

    The other question I have is....what global temperature is considered to be "normal".
  10. can I vote again from around-Kingston, Canada writes: goes like...

    Patient: "doc...I'm anxious"

    Doc: "must be global warming"

    Patient: "what can I do?"

    Doc: "take this pill"

    Big Pharma: "whoo hooo!"
  11. The Religious Left from Canada writes:
    Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Oh, so now doctors are "climate experts".

    No, they are simply listening to the experts. Also when climatologists have heath problems they listen to the doctors. Both groups are well versed in science, and know that they can't possibly research the material themselves.
  12. Brian C from Canada writes: In the 1970's, climatologists werre warning us that we were slipping back into another ice age. Now they warn us that the present ice age is ending.

    How is it again that being in an ice age is good for us? And how is it that this present global climate is the best for human survival and that any change in temperature, up or down, is really really bad and that we need to pay lots and lots of money to prevent any change?

    And lastly, wouldn't preventing any change be preventing what Darwin's theory claims made humans in the first place?

    Change is coming, and change is really really bad, trust me, so be very very afraid!
  13. Joe Canada from Kingston, Canada writes: BWA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The G & M editor changed the "global warming" line after I posted my comment.

    Too funny.
  14. GM Blogger from Canada writes: The warning or advise is misplaced & misdirected. Seems to me that the Automobil industry and those manufacturers of gas guzzling automobils should be hearing this. Not ordinary people.

    Those ridiculous 300Hp 10 miles per gallon "luxurious" monsters that symbolize success to the egotistical drooling pin heads out there.

    What is the freaking point of telling helpless citizens who have no means of makin a direct impact.

    Tell it to the Auto industry. That would be a start.
  15. Lynn Cassan from Ottawa, ON, Canada writes: This newspaper report is wholly incredible - and one can only wonder as to the lack of sense of both the reporter and the action of the Ontario College of Family Physicians which may have initiated it. We all know the bad health effects of Ontario's harsh winters (of which the last is an example) and the much better health of those fortunate enough to be able to regularly winter in the South.

    Lynn Cassan
  16. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: The Religious Left from Canada says "Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Oh, so now doctors are "climate experts". No, they are simply listening to the experts. Also when climatologists have heath problems they listen to the doctors. Both groups are well versed in science, and know that they can't possibly research the material themselves." How many "climatologists" who have health problems might go to more than one doctor? You know.....second opinion and all that? Both groups are well versed in science, eh? Well then maybe you can respond to my example of the stomach ulcer issue that I raised. Oh....and did you know that anywhere between 10,000 and 25,000 people die every year in Canada due to mistakes made by doctors? Don't you think they should maybe clean up that little anomaly before they start branching out to other areas? What a farce.
  17. Vern says you're a liar from Ottawa, Canada writes: I'm starting to get a bit tired of the new political angle the Doctors are starting to come out with. They want pesticides banned, now they are highlighting Global Warming.
  18. Thomas D'Arcy McGee from Canada writes:
    Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Oh, so now doctors are "climate experts".

    Oh, so now Joe Bloggins is a "climate expert".

    Apparently.

    The reality is, of course, that the MDs have joined the overwhelming majority of scientists, trade organizations, think tanks, business leaders and politicians in The World-Wide Conspiracy To Suck Us All In To The AGW Fraud, for some unspecified, unknown motive.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot, they're all cooperating with the conspiracy so that Al Gore and David Suzuki can earn increased speaking fees. Yeah that's it.

    Gawd, even some of the oil companies (always bastions of credibility on the environment) are now acknowledging AGW. They must have an ulterior motive.

    But our very own G&M Comments posters will fight on, down to the last lonely denier.
  19. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: GM Blogger from Canada says "The warning or advise is misplaced & misdirected. Seems to me that the Automobil industry and those manufacturers of gas guzzling automobils should be hearing this. Not ordinary people. Those ridiculous 300Hp 10 miles per gallon "luxurious" monsters that symbolize success to the egotistical drooling pin heads out there." What should be done with those "egotistical drooling pin heads"? Should they be shot? Or perhaps sent to a re-education gulag run by David Suzuki? Forced to read the climate change or global warming propaganda that comes out of the Globe every 10 days just like clock work? Which of their freedoms do you recommend be taken away from them? Do tell.
  20. George Hall from Canada writes: Aleternative methods of transportation need to be more fiercely encouraged.
    The cost of owning and driving a car should be increased and the subsequent revenue used to subsidize environmentally friendly forms of transport
  21. The Religious Left from Canada writes:
    Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Well then maybe you can respond to my example of the stomach ulcer issue that I raised. Oh....and did you know that anywhere between 10,000 and 25,000 people die every year in Canada due to mistakes made by doctors?

    Science is never perfect. But if you have a better system, I'd really love to hear it. The scientific process has resulted in an amazing increase in standard of living and technology, but if you feel like discarding it go ahead. Just tell me what you are replacing it with.
  22. scamp the from Canada writes:
    Any potential for the good side-effects of climate change?

    Let us assume warmer weather is going to result in increased deaths due to heat, disease...

    How about the savings of lives. Surely people today die of cold...maybe less will die with global warming.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7240463.stm

    The number of deaths due to cold FAR FAR FAR outweigh the deaths due to heat. So if anything, doctors should be more relaxed...global warming might actually mean more lives saved (at least for canada).
  23. Antonio San from Canada writes: This is another example of opportunism linked to the AGW fearmongering: next, CBC Radio 2 changes prompted by Global warming... Haircut price up 15% due to high demand related to Global warming...
  24. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Antonio,

    is the sky blue in your world?
  25. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: I can't believe the crap that some of you global warming deniers put forth. grow up and go elsewhere with your flat earth society drivel.
  26. Beyazet Ilderim from Scarborough?, Canada writes: George Hall from Canada writes: Aleternative methods of transportation need to be more fiercely encouraged.
    The cost of owning and driving a car should be increased and the subsequent revenue used to subsidize environmentally friendly forms of transport

    I am wondering, was George a Commie in the other life? Or he is plainly mentally handicapped?
    N America was made car friendly not pedestrian friendly. Public transportation does not work in N America cities. It does work in DT Toronto but NOT in the suburbs. On the other hand, AGW is a scam and the sun spots missing in action already told the story. If media would not suppress the news related to the topic the issue would die the same way as the 70’s scare of ice age&8230;
  27. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Beyazet, I wonder if you were a fascist in another life. or are you plainly mentally deficient?

    Public transport does not work in N. American cities???? are you insane? So I guess you have never taken the metro in Montreal or Toronto? Keep filling up your Hummer with our nonrenewable resources and denying that we are all having a negative effect on our environment. perhaps you like living with your head firmly ensconced in the oil sands.
  28. Stan L from Canada writes: Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: I can't believe the crap that some of you global warming deniers put forth. grow up and go elsewhere with your flat earth society drivel.

    Yeah, you are right which is pretty much why we can't have sensible debate about this anytime there is a discussion....one has to wonder what the deniers are protecting?....the right to pollute at will?....the right to believe that big industry is out there looking out for our best interests?.....the right to hold a contrary view no matter how ridiculous?.....Makes you wonder what is the matter with people.
  29. GlynnMhor of Skywall from Canada writes: Check the actual temperatures. They have not shown warming for six or more years now.

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/g17.htm
  30. Vern says you're a liar from Ottawa, Canada writes: Scared Yet Courageous : You make me laugh. You come on the thread, throw 3 insults out and wonder why we can't have intelligent debate here.
  31. S Rankin from Canada writes: Reviewing comments for articles posted by the G&M on Global Warning is really becoming quite tiresome as they always seem to attract the same knuckle draggers and flat-earthers. I'll bet some of these same posters think that man walked with the dinosaurs like our joker chief denier and prime minister. What a bore. If one is interested in reading this shyt why not just go direct to the source and read the propaganda and disinformation on some of the big oil and coal web sites and maybe tune in some faux news and rush limbaugh for a goof heapin helpin of crap!
  32. Liberals Steal from normal hardworking, Canada writes: Who are these people and why are they meddling in politics?

    The eradication of Malaria is NOT a climate driven process. The countries mentioned do NOT have or not have malaria due to their climatic conditions, the climate there and here is enough to support malaria - public health efforts are what has controlled malaria where it has been controlled. Malaria in Canada is and will be a travel-related disease just like it was 200 years ago when we built the Rideau Canal and lost many to Malaria.

    Further, since they dropped "Global warming" for "climate change" we can assume fluctuations that result in average temperatures going either up or down depending on micro conditions - thus the emergence of colder average temperatures is as likely as warmer ones (like this "climate change" winter almiost passed) , certainly at this latitude, what is the effect of a one degree cooling?

    This is nothing but politics. Doctors should stay out of politics.
  33. Stewart Pid from Canada writes: Don't forget the swarms of millenium bugs & killer bees which will infest us due to the GLO-BULL warming which seems to have stopped of it's own accord. Likely lots of crop circles to destroy the wheat crops too!!
    We just closed out the ski season at Fernie with record snow & it is still falling ... no spring skiing this year.
    Must be climate change ... right scare mongers??
  34. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: The Religious Left from Canada says "Science is never perfect. But if you have a better system, I'd really love to hear it. The scientific process has resulted in an amazing increase in standard of living and technology, but if you feel like discarding it go ahead. Just tell me what you are replacing it with."

    Oh, it's not the scientific "process" I have a problem with. It is simply that science itself has been highjacked by politics and so the stench of politics has polluted science. But I thought, Religious Left, that the "science was settled"? (Or at least that is what we are always told by the G&M and other global warming alarmists.) Does that align with your belief in the "scientific process".
  35. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Yeah, you are right which is pretty much why we can't have sensible debate about this anytime there is a discussion....one has to wonder what the deniers are protecting?....the right to pollute at will?....the right to believe that big industry is out there looking out for our best interests?.....the right to hold a contrary view no matter how ridiculous?.....Makes you wonder what is the matter with people.

    perhaps its a lack of any type of awareness (intellectual, social, emotional, or spiritual) on their parts. I don't know about anyone else, but even if carbon dioxide emissions are not affecting our climate due to countervailing forces, I would much rather be wrong about that and as a result, have a less polluted world and one which utilized renewable resources without as much harm, than the other camp who end up being right (which they are not) about climate change but we still end up with an increasingly polluted world and animal extinctions due to the processes by which we extract resources and destroy habitats.
  36. Stephen R from Canada writes: That's right!!! come home from your vacation, drive yourself to the hospital in your hummer and get diagnosed with dengue fever and then wonder why.
  37. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Vern,

    I would love to have intelligent debate about this issue. Can you tell me where I can get it as I am not finding here from your side?
  38. Vern says you're a liar from Ottawa, Canada writes: Scared...You are now 5/5 and are deemed a troll.
  39. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Stephen R from Canada says "That's right!!! come home from your vacation, drive yourself to the hospital in your hummer and get diagnosed with dengue fever and then wonder why." Wow....now THERE's a bright bulb. Making the connect from driving a hummer to dengue fever. Hey Stephen, tell us the truth....is your recess just about over?
  40. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Stewart Pid from Canada writes: Don't forget the swarms of millenium bugs & killer bees which will infest us due to the GLO-BULL warming which seems to have stopped of it's own accord. Likely lots of crop circles to destroy the wheat crops too!!
    We just closed out the ski season at Fernie with record snow & it is still falling ... no spring skiing this year.
    Must be climate change ... right scare mongers??

    Stewart, please tell me that you aren't relying on one harsh winter which was dominated by a very strong La Nina on which to base your conclusions. Come on, really...grow up and grow a brain.
  41. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis...go here. http://www.climateaudit.org/ That should get you started. If you can't read it, have your mommy help you.
  42. Sandor Langos from Austria writes: So cute!!!
    People in N America are still debating whether there exists a global climate change or not?
    Well, interesting news from my part of the planet:
    We already answered the question an DO something to reduce it!

    PS: I will gracefully ignore stupid and/or insulting replies since this is a discussion and not a kindergarten.
  43. Diane Schweik from EDMONTON, Canada writes: .

    Sandor

    No doubt you haf vays of making us listen.
  44. Sandor Langos from Austria writes: Oh Diane,

    What did I say about the kindergarten?

    And BTW, thanks for your issue-related comment!
  45. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Sandor Langos from Austria says "Oh Diane, What did I say about the kindergarten? And BTW, thanks for your issue-related comment!" And what Sandor, exactly, is your "issue-related comment"?
  46. S Rankin from Canada writes: GlynnMhor of Skywall from Canada writes: Check the actual temperatures. They have not shown warming for six or more years now. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/climon/data/themi/g17.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Before you post crap like this you should check the information provided in your link. If you had done that you would have noted that the web site that you have provided also provides a link to "Climate Change Myths" from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia' which owns the data that you (non scientist) believes shows the earth as cooling. (click on the CRU hyperlink) . Fact # 1: Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it, Fact # 2; Temperatures are continuing to rise , Fact # 3: The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle, Fact # 4: Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone, Fact # 5: If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix, Fact # 6: Climate models predict the main features of future climate. MYTH # 1: The intensity of cosmic rays changes climate The link is here: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/index.html The website also helpfully explains that "there are also a number of misunderstandings which are recycled, often by non-climate scientists, and portrayed as scientific fact" which is a precise description of many of the denier comments on this and other comment boards on global warming.
  47. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Sandor Langos from Austria writes: Oh Diane,

    What did I say about the kindergarten?

    And BTW, thanks for your issue-related comment!

    Hi Sandor, ignore these neanderthals. Most Canadians understand the real threat of climate change. There are always the embarrassing few who do not want to look at the real evidence and rely on pseudoscience to back their flimsy claims. The fact is that global warming is happening and 99% of scientists support this. The other 1% are either not real scientists or if they are, work for the big oil companies.
  48. Geoffrey May from Canada writes: The evolution of climate change stories in the media is interesting .Twenty yeas ago there was a debate in the stories themselves , now the nay sayers are restricted to the unlettered using fake names in the comment section.I suspect climate change denial is a new form of mental illness.
  49. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Vern,

    being deemed a troll by the likes of you is a compliment.
  50. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis....first of all, the more people educate themselves on "global warming" or "climate change", the more they realize it is a fraud. So I realize why you and those like you have to resort to histrionics. Polls have clearly showed that up time after time. As for the "great work" that is being reported by our friend Sandor Langos from Austria...check this out Carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in the United States fell by 1.8 percent in 2006, compared to a 0.3 percent increase in emissions in the European Union (EU), according to newly released data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration. The new data confirm the continuing success of market-oriented, voluntary greenhouse gas emissions programs in the U.S. versus European cap-and-trade mandates. The stark difference occurred even though the two economies grew at a near-identical pace in 2006, roughly 3 percent for the year. 2006 data show the EU is failing to live up to its Kyoto promises. According to the European Environmental Agency, 13 countries of the EU-15 have increased emissions over the past 16 years.
  51. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis....first of all, the more people educate themselves on "global warming" or "climate change", the more they realize it is a fraud. So I realize why you and those like you have to resort to histrionics.

    Joe Blockhead, where pray tell, are people getting educated about global warming. From some guy's blog page? I would much rather base my beliefs on the overwhelming evidence by a majority of scientists rather than those cherry picked by you. Let's put the whole global warming issue aside for one second. Noone has ever answered my question. What would you prefer from the following two scenarios:

    A. You are correct. The increasing levels of CO2 have no effect on climate. However, the continued burning of fossil fuels and rising prices brings economic collapse, increased pollutions, continued destruction of animal and plant habitats, etc.

    or

    B. You are wrong. The increasing levels of CO2 have a measureable effect on climate. We start getting a handle on it and in the meantime, due to our exploration of alternative and renewable resources, we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels, reduce pollution, create whole new sustainable economies, and protect wildlife.

    I would rather be wrong and do the right thing than be right but do nothing.
  52. Duncan Munro from Canada writes: A much greater threat than West Nile, will be a dramatic increase in the number of Lyme Disease cases, with dire consequences for those infected.
  53. Alastair james Berry from Nanaimo BC CANADA, Canada writes:
    In Europe(Scotland) for the first 24 years of my life I can never remember being warm, but I CAN remember being chilled to the bone and suffering the torments of the damned with chillblains on my toes and even my knees! I can remember going to bed with all my clothes on!(Is it any wonder that Leprosy has only been recently eliminated from Northern Europe?)..........Needless to say with cold water only my personal hygiene was not the best and I suffered from BOILS AND CARBUNCLES and I was bitten all over by my resident population of fleas!!

    At age 17 I vowed to leave that God Forsaken land for warmer climes so now I'm in BC, an improvement with out a doubt, but I would still like it to average 5 C warmer each and every day of the year!!

    BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR IN THE WAY OF A COLDER CLIMATE...............GOD MIGHT ANSWER YOUR WISH SOONER THAT YOU EXPECT!
  54. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis...that so-called "blogger" you talk about has shown Mann to be a fraud and has caused NOAA and NASA to review their work and make numerous changes. The IPCC itself has shown itself to be a fraud. A mere "blogger" has torn apart the "science" of your scienctists and laid it bare for all to see. Except for idiots like you.
  55. Terry F from Edmonton, Canada writes: The biggest threat to humans well being in a warmer climate will be the increase in Speedos and lime green mankini's a la Borat that would pollute the beaches. Oh, the humanity.
  56. r b from Calgary, Canada writes: Perhaps, but frostbite cases will be way down.

    Three or four writers on the Globe staff must be near panic: the daily barrage of global warming scare stories are down to a trickle, perhaps out of fear of bricks being thrown through their office windows as Canadians slowly de-frost from a brutal winter.

    No worries though.

    First hot day in Toronto this summer and you can all resume the "sky is falling" coverage, your jobs will be saved.

    If however, it is a cool summer, well then, the world needs burger flippers too you know.
  57. Stan L from Canada writes: OK so I don't have to read this anymore.....global warming is not literally about the day to day tempertaures we see on the weather channel.....there is a difference between weather and climate.........please get them straight ...The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time. Weather is what conditions of the atmosphere are over a short period of time, and climate is how the atmosphere "behaves" over relatively long periods of time

    OK flat earthers fire away......
  58. The Bubble from Canada writes: You people who deny this is happening are pathetic and an embarrassment to Canadians.
  59. Vern says you're a liar from Ottawa, Canada writes: Enlightened ones...If you are so certain of your position, why do you have to resort to name calling? Some might see it as a sign of weakness (and immaturity).
  60. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Here we go again, daily rants - Global Warming. How about this coldest winter in Michigan hisory creates huge ice waves NEVER SEEN in North America before ; http://posted.woodtv.com/photos-view.php?ID=1786085

    How about record snow in the Ottowa alley, 125 year snowfall record broken in Bathurst Nb. Oh I forgot, Global warming predicts all this cold weather events, it also predicts Spring Summer and fall - just not winter. Get a grip folks all these threads are leading to over hyped, sensual overload. You are going to loose the audience with daily apocolyptic rantings, but is sure sells paper - er sorry trees...
  61. guy tozer from Saskatoon, Canada writes: WoooHooooooo!!. We can save some money, by not having to buy winter clothes any more, if this keeps up.
  62. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: The Bubble from Canada writes: You people who deny this is happening are pathetic and an embarrassment to Canadians.

    Hey Bubs, where have been? Nice cheap shot "people who deny" What -that Climate is changing, and does so on a daily/ monthly/ yearly/ Century and millenea basis? It does who's to deny the Climate. What I get my underwear in a knot over are the people who deny that water vapour in the atmosphere has as much or more than CO2 emissions. Unless that's inconvenient a truth - still is true...
  63. J Alfred Prufrock from Calgary, Canada writes: I am cynical about climate change discussion, not because I believe it's not happening, but because I believe that we're demonstrating absolute conceit by believing that we are a.) causing it and b.) able to affect it. I will be utterly impressed when the discussion expands to how we're going to cope with it. A good starting point might be how we're going to deal with these health issues once they start appearing, because it's certain that we won't be able to prevent them.
  64. Stephen R from Canada writes: Joe bloggins writes--- Stephen, tell us the truth....is your recess just about over?
    ------------
    Ok my recess is over. It doesn't take an intellectual to make the connection between our addiction to oil (gas hog SUV's) and global warming. In fact my 7 year old understands this concept.
    and since global warming may be causing folks to get weird diseases.
    Hence my connection between SUV's and Dengue fever.
    Our earth has a delicate balance and if we push it over the edge, we might be in for a hell of a surprise.
  65. K St-Pierre from toronto, Canada writes: Building an Ark- And what do you think would lead to an increase in water vapour? Wouldn't an increase in temp lead to an increase in evaporation which would lead to an increase in water vapour which would then lead to a further increase in temp?
  66. Walt Robbins from Canada writes: I'm very surprised and dismayed by the medical people going out on a limb and ignoring the real and present health threats brought about by air, water and land pollutants. Many of their patients, including myself, have significant respiratory tract problems, which are often worse during summer and fall. Many die each year from conditions brought about by the chemical soup in the air; particularly from smog producing substances and particulates, including sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide as well as other volatile organic compounds.

    There is virtually no doubt that these health issues are caused for the most part, by human activity. This is the urgent top priority environmental health issue of our time, (all around the world).

    Shame on those who killed the proposed Canadian Federal Clean Air Act to score political points.
  67. John Connor from Canada writes: The Bubble from Canada writes: You people who deny this is happening are pathetic and an embarrassment to Canadians.

    Bubble, take a long hard look in the mirror. Don't shy away at the sight of the wool covering your body, that's common in sheep. Since the Goracle does your thinking for you, it would not surprise me in the least if you and yours take the evolutionary jump, and join the Lemming Brigade.

    That you could make such a judgemental comment above make ME embarrassed to be a Canadian. Here's an idea though, MOVE.
  68. K St-Pierre from toronto, Canada writes: Building an Ark- Yes record snowfall there, which would fit with increased water vapour in atmosphere. I have friends who live there and this was the mildest winter in the 4 years that they have lived there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Joe Bloggins- Concerning SUV's, all gas pumps should be installed with weight scales. Any vehicle over a certain weight should be charged more per litre. Why am I paying the same price per litre as someone else who is consuming 3 to 4 times what I do? That would help without being to much like US post you know what.
  69. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Stephen R from Canada says "Ok my recess is over. It doesn't take an intellectual to make the connection between our addiction to oil (gas hog SUV's) and global warming. In fact my 7 year old understands this concept." Oh, I'm sure your 7 year old understands this concept. Seven year olds (and their profoundly ignorant fathers) are easily fooled and brainwashed. Tell me Stephen (seeing as how you have obviously researched the "science" so thoroughly), what warmed the earth before our "addiction to oil"? As for "weird diseases", it has far, FAR more to do with human movement than anything else. You know, if the "science" were so solid, why do the AGW alarmists have to result to out and out lies, data manipulation and the like?
  70. Tony Mareschealle from mississauga, Canada writes: Dengue fever is already a problem in the Caribbean (Barbados just to name 1) so am not sure the point that is being made here. To the extent that climate change encourages the breeding of mosquitoes etc, then yes it could become more problematic, however it is expected that these regions will become more arid, not wetter.

    Many of the problems experienced in the caribbean, are not from the general climate, but from citizens carelesssly throwing containers out in garbage to collect and the become full of stagnant water. That has nothing to do with climate change.
  71. Stan L from Canada writes: Joe Bloggins.....why are you so vehemently oppsed to the notion that a changing climate brings changing health risks.....? Humans have travelled for a long time now and the increase of travel over the last several decades has indeed brought us into contact with more than we have ever expereinced before....BUT, if that were the only things doctors were refering to all they would be doing is issuing more stingent travel information.......do you not think that an increase in climactic activty expereinced over time will have an effect on people?....ie: heat waves do indeed trigger asthma incidents and stroke.......add to that more prolongued heatwaves more frequently and you have something to be concerned about......where did you get your medical degree?
  72. Stewart Pid from Canada writes: Attention BOZOs .... why is it that my reference to a cold winter ( below normal temps ) is forbidden but the good docs can reference a warm summer & lay blame on it for thousands of elderly folks dieing???
    Talk about a double standard.
    GLO-BULL warming is toast ... it is cooling again.
    Live as environmentally pure as you can but do it for the right reasons & not the sky is falling CO2 scare mongering.
  73. Stan L from Canada writes: Stewart Pid from Canada writes: Attention BOZOs .... why is it that my reference to a cold winter ( below normal temps ) is forbidden but the good docs can reference a warm summer & lay blame on it for thousands of elderly folks dieing???

    Because they are talking about climate change and you are discussing the weather......get it straight and then reflect on the article.
  74. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis...that so-called "blogger" you talk about has shown Mann to be a fraud and has caused NOAA and NASA to review their work and make numerous changes. The IPCC itself has shown itself to be a fraud. A mere "blogger" has torn apart the "science" of your scienctists and laid it bare for all to see. Except for idiots like you.

    Okay Joe, I'm an idiot. whoopie. thanks for the comment. you have succeeded in changing my views. Yes, the earth is flat. thanks for clarifying. Now I can be just like you. one question...when are you going to answer my prior question about the choice between two alternate ways of dealing with human activity and its effects on world climate and environment?
  75. Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis, NB, Canada says "Okay Joe, I'm an idiot." Agreed.

    He then goes on to say "One question...when are you going to answer my prior question about the choice between two alternate ways of dealing with human activity and its effects on world climate and environment?"

    Pretty infantile attempt, there Scared.....You are proposing a false dilemma and you only pose two choices when there are a variety of possibilities. Granted, your limited intelligence may make it appear that way to you.
  76. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Joe Bloggins from Canada writes: Scared Yet Stupid from Quispamsis, NB, Canada says "Okay Joe, I'm an idiot." Agreed.

    He then goes on to say "One question...when are you going to answer my prior question about the choice between two alternate ways of dealing with human activity and its effects on world climate and environment?"

    Pretty infantile attempt, there Scared.....You are proposing a false dilemma and you only pose two choices when there are a variety of possibilities. Granted, your limited intelligence may make it appear that way to you.

    well Joe, I bow down to you, the greatest mind of our approximately 6000 year world history. I am sure Adam and Eve would be proud of you.
  77. Theo Lichacz from Kawartha, Canada writes: Now the climate/warming alarmists have a new propaganda tool. Whenever a new disease rears its ugly head or a general outbreak of any disease anywhere in the world the Enviro-alarmist will point the cause being the "changing climate" and offer up a pseudo-scientific explanation to strike fear in the ignorant masses.
  78. Dick Nails from Canada writes: The Bubble from Canada writes: You people who deny this is happening are pathetic and an embarrassment to Canadians.

    >>I am Canadian bub and pathetic embarassments are the exclusive theatre of eco-zealots, like you.

    When things change again and the world gets colder, we will choose the temperature of revenge.
  79. Scared Yet Courageous from Quispamsis, NB, Canada writes: Joe,

    so what are your alternatives? I would love to know.

    Oh ya, I want to thank you for your mind numbingly intelligent insults. I am really enjoying them. I haven't laughed this hard in a very long time. My goodness, the next Jim Carrey.
  80. Steven Koning from Bloomfield, ON, Canada writes: Medical consequence: No more frostbite problems...
  81. Paul Meyer from Trail BC, Canada writes: I'd refer many of you to Bjorn Lomberg's work that shows a warmer earth results in far fewer climate-related deaths. Canadians of anyone should recognize that cold kills far more people than heat.

    Keep in mind, that even a couple of degrees warmer is a pretty minor change in any one area. So what happens, Vancouver becomes more like Seattle or Portland? Ottawa's weather is more like Toronto's and Toronto's is more like Detroit's? It's not as if they're dropping like flies in Detroit (or Atlanta for that matter) from weather, and I'm sure Torontonians can cope.
  82. Common sense is BACK! from Canada writes: .

    Too funny... nothing like reading comments from people who are afraid of the science behind climate change.

    Nothing like sticking your head in the sand...

    Thankfully climate-change denialists are a fringe element and a minority.
  83. Common sense is BACK! from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: "How about record snow in the Ottowa alley, 125 year snowfall record broken in Bathurst Nb."

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    Excatly - it's called climate change. Weather extremes on all side are affected.
  84. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Common sense is BACK! from Canada writes: .Too funny... nothing like reading comments from people who are afraid of the science behind climate change.

    Here's the second part of that Joke, most people when polled state a Motherhood position - who wouldn't want to help when it comes to something as sacred as the Environment. Now the tough love "if everyone in Canda turned out all the lights and stopped emitting any greenhouse gases at all, the effect would be less than two months worth of emissions from China." Campbell MACLEANS 7 Apr.

    You want humour - next time someone tells you you've got to eviscerate your livelyhood, any chance your children might have to own a house, raise kids of their own, ask them where is your dollars being exported to? Er sorry I guess Kids are out - too tough a measure for this Planet...
  85. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Common sense is BACK! from Canada writes: Excatly - it's called climate change. Weather extremes on all side are affected.

    Sorry Common, you're not making any sense. I grew up in the 1970's in Montreal in we had epic snow from 1972-74 was that extreem or are you too young to remenber flooding of the St. Lawrence back then? Climate changes - better get used to it ...
  86. Stan L from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: .......Climate changes - better get used to it ...

    No weather changes, climate evolves over the long term in a fairly predicatble pattern.....the fact that the pattern has become unstable as seen by extreme weather phenomena increases over a period of time is a good indicator that global warming is beyond natural and preditable influences.
  87. Paul Meyer from Trail BC, Canada writes: Further to the whole "Change is bad" scenario.

    Why are there still polar bears? It was warmer during the Medieval Warm period (~800 AD to 1300 AD) than the IPCC predicts it will be under the worst case scenarios. Why didn't all the polar bears go extinct then?
  88. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: "...the fact that the pattern has become unstable as seen by extreme weather phenomena increases over a period of time is a good indicator that global warming is beyond natural and preditable influences."

    Might seem unstable, perhaps we have more Humans, postioned ever increasingly to report events that until last century would not end up on camera/print or media. How many reporters/ humans witnessed the great collapse of the Idaho/ Flathead ice dam that changed the landscape of the Panhandle - Columbia river system? Geology does not care about these blips in time, only your Gorical feeds you new terms like "tipping point" I've got a tip - when you are being fed crap, look around to see the Bull...
  89. Stan L from Canada writes: Paul Meyer from Trail BC, Canada writes: Further to the whole "Change is bad" scenario.
    Why are there still polar bears? It was warmer during the Medieval Warm period (~800 AD to 1300 AD) than the IPCC predicts it will be under the worst case scenarios. Why didn't all the polar bears go extinct then?

    Paul, (as taken from BBC) There have been many periods in Earth history that were warmer than today - if not the MWP, then maybe the last interglacial (125,000 years ago) or the Pliocene (three million years ago). Whether those variations were caused by solar forcing, the Earth's orbital wobbles or continental configurations, none of those causes apply today. Evidence for a Mediaeval Warm Period outside Europe is patchy at best, and is often not contemporary with the warmth in Europe. As the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) puts it: "The idea of a global or hemispheric Mediaeval Warm Period that was warmer than today has turned out to be incorrect". Additionally, although the Arctic was warmer in the 1930s than in the following few decades, it is now warmer still.
  90. Stan L from Canada writes: Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: .......Might seem unstable, perhaps we have more Humans, postioned ever increasingly to report events that until last century would not end up on camera/print or media. How many reporters/ humans witnessed the great collapse of the Idaho/ Flathead ice dam that changed the landscape of the Panhandle - Columbia river system? Geology does not care about these blips in time, only your Gorical feeds you new terms like "tipping point" I've got a tip - when you are being fed crap, look around to see the Bull...

    I give you fact and you give me guesses? Talk about being fed crap....what are you afraid of if you are wrong?
  91. K St-Pierre from toronto, Canada writes: Builiding an Ark- Your agenda seems pretty clear. Your concern ends at the tip of your nose. Why are you so concerned about loosing your job/reducing your take home pay? Are u admitting corps would rather gut your job than reduce their own profits? Kinda proves the point what the real problem is, no? If GW is happening is not in question. How, only to a few. The real discussion should be what to do now. By denying and waiting we are only shifting the burden from the polluters (corps, they also make money off of polluting) to govt and our children. Makes no sense. The irony is that the same corps who made billions destroying the enviroment will then preserve maybe .001% of enviroment then make billions charging us to look at what the earth used to look like!!! Now thats bull:) Another funny note, if u care to actually think of the problem, is that predominatly conservatives are against any type of acknowledgment of enviromental concerns and the carbon tax yet that is the one thing which would help reduce the difference btwn cost of production here vs India/China. Makes u wonder who they really work for.
  92. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: Stan L from Canada writes: I give you fact and you give me guesses? Talk about being fed crap....what are you afraid of if you are wrong?

    Wowe easy Stan, I like your style, crap is what Gore is selling. It's very interesting you point to earlier warm arctic climates. Indeed many mariners including the ill fated Franklin expedition saw almost ice free conditions in the late 1800-early 1900's in the NW passage. Climate or normal cycles? Check your Wikipedia on the great Panhandle flood - no crap it happened, not due to Global warming - most certainly to Climate Change. BTW not afraid of anything, lest it's posturing that teters our economy down the hill to oblivion, check out the help wanted in Michigan lately?
  93. Building an Ark from Eastern Slopes, Canada writes: K St-Pierre from toronto, Canada writes: "is that predominatly conservatives are against any type of acknowledgment of enviromental concerns and the carbon tax yet that is the one thing which would help reduce the difference btwn cost of production here vs India/China. Makes u wonder who they really work for."

    K - I Love your enthusiasm for more taxation. Just what the GTA and Toronto Star thinks will save this mess. Facts are we depend on OIL. Second to that - do without that in Agriculture/ medicine/ and transportation, humm kinda hard to do in an Arctic Nation of 33M. Try doing Earth hour Jul-Aug in the GTA best of luck. I again point out no-one is trying to do less than our share - I do point out there are no cost efficient alternatives that would not have us returning to sod-huts. So now that you have established the high moral ground - what are you prepared to give up? I'm trying to finish the Ark - wind power will get me to dry land...