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JENNIFER MACMILLAN

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Latest comment posted at 4:50 PM EDT 02/05/08

Prominent defence lawyer Edward Greenspan says his legal team will move swiftly if Brenda Martin isn't set free in the next few days ...Read the full article

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  1. rick from river city from Canada writes: .. here we go, the Martin Drama Queen Tour...great filler for slow news days. Hopefully she is out and in hiding by the time the playoffs end.
  2. John Connor from Around Town, Canada writes: Put this trash in the Entertainment Section. It reminds me of the cr@p we get with Ms. Spears.
  3. D M from Canada writes: Glad to hear that she should be out in a few days. I have no problem with our tax dollars being used to get her back home and free from injustice in Mexico.
  4. harry carnie from Northern,B.C, Canada writes: Well are the Looney Liberals happy now...or are they still whining?
  5. D M from Canada writes: Liberals are always happy when individual rights and freedoms are protected. In fact, everyone should be.
  6. TheWay ISeeIt from Calgary, Canada writes: Who ARE you guys? Whether she was complicit in her boss' actions or not, no one deserves the 'Mexican justice' she had to endure.

    However nice the beaches may be, Mexico is a corrupt, third-world country with no political motivation to reform to Western democratic standards. Kudos to our government for getting her back as soon as the opportunity was there. And the same to Mr. Greenspan for volunteering to expedite her release here if our system bogs down. (He can afford to do it pro-bono assuming Conrad Black paid his fee!)
  7. PANIC! At The Ice Floe from Canada writes: Whatever...Jut stop reporting about her! Her mission is accomplished. She's out of jail and back 'home'...Of course, home to her is now Mexico, but being a citizen of convenience, I guess she'll drap herself in the Maple Leaf for a little while before moving to her next 'home'...illegally of course!
  8. PANIC! At The Ice Floe from Canada writes: Geee...So many experts on the ins and outs of the Mexican Legal system and this particular case!
  9. albert rose from Canada writes: Funny how the media presumes she is innocent.
  10. Fake Name from Canada writes: ' albert rose from Canada writes: Funny how the media presumes she is innocent.'

    Yeah ... presumption of innocence is one of those weird quirks of non-third-world justice systems.
  11. Gail Thomas from Canada writes: I'm glad for her and her family that she is back home in Canada. Please get on with reporting new news. This weeping and wailing is somewhat tiring. I'm surprised Dan McTeague is not on TV with the next case for the media. But, please, NO MORE!
  12. Harvey Mushman from cambridge, Canada writes: Duh...'presumed innocent'...she is a convicted criminal now.
  13. The Iconoclast from Canada writes: Fake Name from Canada writes: ' albert rose from Canada writes: Funny how the media presumes she is innocent.'

    Yeah ... presumption of innocence is one of those weird quirks of non-third-world justice systems.
    -----------------------------------------------

    ..meanwhile Omar Khadr, a Canadian youth, is still being held in Guantanimo by a non-third-world country.
  14. Sara Mae Whit from Calgary, Canada writes: At Last! I wondered how long it would take Greenspan to get in on the publicity. He's been out of the public eye since Conrad Black went to jail.
    Ms. Martin already has a Canadian lawyer. Wouldn't Greenspan be poaching if he jumped in??
  15. James Young from Brantford, Canada writes: There was no mention of Edward Greenspan operating pro-bono. Kudos to him if that is the situation. This is suprising if that is the case. He usually defend the guilty rich. Brenda is not financially solvent or at least that is the preception.

    I muse about the bribe paid to the Mexican authorities. Obviously not enough or Brenda would have been found not guilty. My assumption!

    Durgan.
  16. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    This is still a story? And the ones below don't make the G&M? Which stories have the possibility of affecting Canadians more.

    1) All salmon fishing banned on West Coast:

    Salmon fishing was banned along the West Coast for the first time in 160 years Thursday, a decision that is expected to have a devastating economic impact on fishermen, dozens of businesses, tourism and boating.

    The closure of commercial and recreational fishing for chinook salmon in the ocean off California and most of Oregon was announced by the National Marine Fishery Service.

    How will this affect BC-Canada?

    2) Two parched years - punctuated by the driest spring in at least 150 years -could force districts across California to ration water this summer as policymakers and scientists grow increasingly concerned that the state is on the verge of a long-term drought.

    State water officials reported Thursday that the Sierra Nevada snowpack, the source of a huge portion of California's water supply, was only 67 percent of normal, due in part to historically low rainfall in March and April.

    What about the NAFTA water issue? The price of produce this winter?
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  17. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: Of course Greenpan got a whiff of the free media exposure that involving himself with this case could expose him to.
    Typical lawyer.
  18. John G from Ottawa, Canada writes: The media's adoring treatment of Brenda Martin can only mean one thing.

    Say hello to the next 'star' Liberal candidate.
  19. Opinionated One from Canada, Canada writes: I cannot believe how many people actually believe that Brenda Martin was wrongly convicted just because the whole thing took place in Mexico. Reading between the lines one gets the impression that our superiority complex and prejudices lead us to believe that there's no such thing as a Canadian criminal abroad, only third world, bad, unjust countries. Sad.
  20. William Ross from Victoria BC, Canada writes: who cares ...
  21. ah sails from Canada writes: innocent or not..it is good that we've helped her get out of a seemingly messed up Mexican legal system...BUT...she should be required to pay back the bail and flight costs, that's only fair
  22. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: The way I see It,
    Brenda Martin is not a complete idiot.
    She lived in Mexico,illegally for 8 years.
    I'm sure that she was quite aware of it's legal system,and yet she chose not only to leave her home Country,but also to beliitle it,as well our Govt.
    As well as break the law,by working without a permit,and paying taxes,like any citisen is required to do.
    She paid no taxes to Canada or Mexico,as she was working'under the table' for 8 yrs.
    If she thought,as many posters here do,that Mexico was 'corrupt 3rd world Country',then why was so fond of remaining there?
  23. Tristram Shandy from london ontario, Canada writes: Presumably if she was found guilty in Mexico, and she is now here in Canada, then the verdict has been 'legally' accepted, and there is no appeal.

    Brenda Martin is guilty, and there is no changing that.

    I think her long time in a Mexican prison, just waiting for a decision, is a travesty from a Canadian perspective, but partly attributable to the Harper government's lack of initiative and experience about international issues.

    So now that part is over. And, I suspect, that she gets double time credit for time served.

    So she was sentenced to 5 years, and she may have 'served' 4 years. and I am not particularly surprised that Greenspan and his ilk are suggesting that she should immediately be fast tracked for parole, or even sainthood.

    I wish we would not rush this, the normal procedures should apply, I am pleased that the Harper government, Canada's 'new government screw-ups' finally got off their duff and looked after a Canadian properly, but that is the end of any sort of (even slightly) special treatment.

    The woman is guilty, and she should serve her time. And Greenspan should back off of his pressure tactics. Let the system do its job.
  24. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: Tristram Shandy,
    So by your logic,any Mexiacn sitting in a Cdn. prison,whether guilty or not,should be realeased,as long as the Mexican Govt. says so?
  25. Ricky for a Centrist Canada from Canada writes:
    Boy the people who are tired of hearing about her sure get to these articles and discussion threads about her awfully fast.
  26. Mike Z from Saskatoon, Canada writes: As several people have comment on earlier, I also find it amazing that so many of the posters here seem to be legal experts on Mexican law and the Mexican judicial process.

    And for those proclaiming her innocence -- it seems your only reason for this is some sort of idea that no justice could be had in Mexico. Please state your reasons for this, because so far you just sound shrill.
  27. Proud Canadian from Canada writes: Glad to hear she's back in Canada, glad that she will be out and free again. Mexico is nothing short of a Banana Republic, Ive had the opportunity to vacation there once, since the Ianaro case (murder of the couple last year) and others, forget it. I am a clean citizen, Ive never had a criminial charge, the last thing I want is a Banana Republic, a partner in the books of George W. Bush, pushing me around for nothing. All Canadians should feel the same and not go to that country for anything. U cant hurt anyone unless u do it in the pocket book. And to hurt the Mexicans in the wallet is the only way to get a message across.
  28. William Ross from Victoria BC, Canada writes: Hey Tristram : I take it that you have not thoroughly researched this particular file because if you had you would discover that the consular staff bless their patient little diplomatic hearts bent over backwards the last few years to help this lady whose own behaviour was a factor in her extensive detention as she was offered several avenues out of her problems that she repeatedly refused and twice fired her lawyers insulting the mexican and canadian officials involved trying to help her so frankly I really do not care about her one way or another though I do hope that not too much of my tax money was involved let's cap the bill right now where it is. Case closed.
  29. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: First of all,I'm displeased with the fact that if convicted in Canada,your sentence time really means nothing.
    If an 18 yr.sentence really means that you only have to serve 6 yrs,then why not just say it already.
    Why is it that you only have to serve 'mere' one third of the sentence?There may be more outrage if people saw that murderers and rapist were actually getting their 'true' sentencing,which is a third of what the press reports.
  30. Bruce Gerrard from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm really tired of this story and all the sob story press that it is receiving, although not surprising.
    But I do have to comment that this lady has now spent about as much time in prison as Karla Homolka.....
  31. Slippery Slope from Canada writes: What a joke. This lady (and I use the term loosely) cried like a baby to get the consular attention she deserved. But then she continued to cry like a baby until we flew her home on a government jet. Now she gets almost immediate release.
  32. Charles Brown from Vancouver, BC, Canada writes: NOW THAT SHE HAS ALREADY GOT WHAT SHE WAS WANTING ALL ALONG (V.I.P. CHALLENGER JET TREATMENT) WHYtf IS SHE STILL IN THE NEWS. CAN THE GLOBE & MAIL AND THE CTV GO OUT AND FIND SOMETHING REAL TO REPORT?
  33. Liberals Face Criminal Charges from Canada writes: Returned to Canada in Government of Canada Challenger Jet. How ridiculous!!
  34. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: Time to turn her over to 'Big Al' at Revenue Canada. Best Regards.
  35. rick from river city from Canada writes: Ricky for a Centrist Canada from Canada writes:
    Boy the people who are tired of hearing about her sure get to these articles and discussion threads about her awfully fast.

    good point Ricky. Since I 'got' (?) to go first I will now refrain from another post on Ms. Martin.... not ;-)
  36. Liberals Face Criminal Charges from Canada writes: Dion wants more women to run as Liberals in the next federal election--Brenda Martin would be perfect! She could be the Justice critic.
  37. Compos Mentis from Toronto, Canada writes: Isn't her 15 minutes up yet.....puleeeeese.....
  38. Johnny Canuck from Canada writes: Did you see the VIP treatment Corrections Canada gave this woman? A new Challenger Jet to fly her from Mexico to Kitchener? It seems Vancouver would have been much closer and cheaper and a smaller jet could have been hired. Just more public service whackos with government money to waste. It's pathetic & appalling behavior by Canadian prison officials..
  39. Mario Lagacé from Canada writes: Mrs Martin should be thankful her name is not Jihada MacKadhr, in which case she would still be in Mexico for a very, very long time.

    A two track justice system you say? No, make it a five or six track system.
  40. Jack Napier from Ottawa, Canada writes: She is being released for one reason and one reason only. The left wing Canadian media, looking for yet another way to bash the Harper government, has applied so much political pressure that the Government has to release her regardless of her guilt. Ask yourself how reasonable her story is. She moved to mexico from Canada to work as a cook for someone who happened to be running a multi million dollar fraud scam, which she, of course, knew nothing about. Gee, sounds like a proud, law abiding canadian to me. Send this scum back to Mexico!
  41. Midtown Bob from Toronto, Canada writes: One thing for sure, I'll never go back to Mexico. Screw em!
  42. Lorrie Naylor from Stratford, Canada writes: Ms. Martin’s claim of innocence is utterly plausible. Unfortunately, so, too, is the claim of the Mexican government that she is nothing of the sort.

    Firstly, she worked in Mexico illegally, accepting money ‘under the table’, knowing that meant she flaunted Mexican law in doing so. Secondly, she re-invests a portion of that illicit cash back into an operation that is proven fraudulent. Thirdly, the only character-witness attesting she had no foreknowledge that the operation was fraudulent, is now a convict, one who just happened to be in charge of the scam, as well as being her employer.

    Reverse shoes for a moment: Canadians would do no less than has Mexico to ensure that the laws of the land are respected by foreigners. Nor should the Mexicans have granted Ms.Martin bail either, the flight risk being so great– certainly true, if the contempt both she and her supporters showed for Mexico’s laws and due process are any indicator.
  43. Fake Name from Canada writes: " Harvey Mushman from cambridge, Canada writes: Duh...'presumed innocent'...she is a convicted criminal now."

    And under such a legitimate process, too. Snort. Look, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that her conviction had more to do with saving face than with any real evidence against her. It would have looked terrible for them to have to hold her for two years with no real evidence and then have her acquitted in the end, because its an admission of an error that ruined someone's life. They basically had to convict her to protect their tourist industry - doing anything else would have made it look like a scary place to travel.

    " The Iconoclast from Canada writes: ...meanwhile Omar Khadr, a Canadian youth, is still being held in Guantanimo by a non-third-world country."

    Entirely different scenario. Brenda Martin wasn't caught red-handed fighting for one of canada's enemies, and against an ally. As far as I'm concerned, whether he killed the marine or not, he's a traitor, and the american's are welcome to do whatever they please to him. Considering that Canada hasn't got the guts to apply the traditional punishment for treason (a noose), I think it's better that he stay in Gitmo.
  44. bob saunders from Belleville, ON, Canada writes: She can use her celebrity status to whinge free drinks at the Royal in Trenton and regale fellow drinkers with tales of Mexican prisons and how she pulled the wool over people eyes. She certainly seems like someone from north of 7, or a girl from the county.
  45. Alastair james Berry from Nanaimo BC CANADA, Canada writes:

    Is this to be the" norm" now, if I get nicked in Thailand on a trumped up sex charge 'shakedown'?

    What is good enough for Ms Martin should surely be good enough for me......particularly if I get a lesser sentence.

    Looks like a precedent has been set.......PRISON OF FIVE YEARS LESS........the fine paid by Her Majesties Canadian Government AND A CHARTERED JET HOME............

    Interesting........WHO AUTHORIZED THIS AND WHY????

    LET'S FIND OUT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE(so that we all know which ropes to pull if we get into trouble)
  46. Old Fart from Edmonton, Canada writes: Sara Mae Whit from Calgary, Canada writes: "At Last! I wondered how long it would take Greenspan to get in on the publicity. He's been out of the public eye since Conrad Black went to jail.
    Ms. Martin already has a Canadian lawyer. Wouldn't Greenspan be poaching if he jumped in??"

    Don't worry, Sara. I'm sure old Eddie would help pro bono ... ;-)
  47. SY GIL from TO, Canada writes: This is outrageous that Canadian taxpayers have to dole out $5K/hour for a chartered plane to bring her home. She chose to live and work in Mexico and I doubt she paid any taxes to the Canadian government. The fact that they managed to bring her back in less than a month after the verdict was rendered is a reflection of the tremendous effort on the Harper government part. Now she has a high paid lawyer calling for fast-tracking of her request to leave jail.

    There is also another issue. We have too many "Canadians" who haven't put a foot on Canadian soil for years. At the first sign of trouble, they cry for help from their government.
  48. prospector from blackfly country from Canada writes: Now that Brenda Martin I is home and about to be freed, the media can start with Brenda Martin II who is stuck in Sudan. Let's beat that one to death until Canada flies that alleged terrorist home on our dime.

    Give us a break from all these dimwits.
  49. Jim IIII from Canada writes: Fast Eddie Moneyspan must have found out she has a bag of money stached somewhere,,, She is a Liberal poster for "Crime Does Not Pay"
  50. Paul Byer from Canada writes: There is obviously a lot of money left over from her frugile severance pay from her 'employer' to attract such attorneys. I know my last 10 years of savings couldn't pay the retainer, let alone any legal work. Must have been some cook.
  51. John Connor from Canada writes: Let's add this up.
    Since she has paid no Canadian taxes, provincial or federal, has no job, and likely no prospects, how will she be paying back the fine we so quickly paid for her?

    I suppose we will now find her on social assistance until CPP kicks in @ age 60, when she can retire and begin her golden years Scott Free in her native land.

    Is this a great country or what?

    Meanwhile, John and Jane Average have paid their dues, and hers.

    Figures don't lie, but liars sure figure.
  52. spicydoc--That'll do, spicydoc, that'll do... from Canada writes:

    How many Canadians are currently imprisoned outside of Canada? I heard over 1000.

    Are these people less deserving of amnesty than BM? How do we know?

    The part about the BM case that bothers me isn't whether or not she broke Mexican law--I doubt we will ever know.

    What bugs me is that it seems that being rescued from a foreign jail hinges on having an MP and/or the media make noise about you.

    This isn't fair. There are probably genuinely innocent people who don't have loud advocates making noise to help them.

    To be fair Canada should simply demand that every Canadian citizen imprisoned abroad be repatriated and released. This includes Khadr and the Sudan guy.

    Why not?? The whole thing would cost less than the Lebanese rescue. Let's assume every Canadian imprisoned in foreign countries is innocent and deserves our help.
  53. Don Jenkins from Canada writes: This is not an opinion piece. Respected legal institutions in Canada are the named source in this article. The reason we have a justice system is to protect people from the ignorant small-minded mob mentalities shown on this board, at home and abroad. Brenda Martin has done her time, guilty or not, is what they're saying. Nice you don't think the justice you yourself are entitled to is good enough for your fellow citizens.
  54. Don Jenkins from Canada writes: spicydoc--That'll do, spicydoc, that'll do... from Canada writes: "Let's assume every Canadian imprisoned in foreign countries is innocent and deserves our help."

    If you mean that, it's the first reasonable thing I've ever seen you post here, so reasonable I wonder if someone's hijacked your moniker.
  55. spicydoc--That'll do, spicydoc, that'll do... from Canada writes:

    Don Jenkins--

    Let's repatriate the Sudan guy, Khadr, the Montana guy on death row, the pedophile in Thailand--all of them. Then release them into the Canadian public to resume their virtuous lives.

    It's the only way to be fair.
  56. Chris Edwards from Canada writes: Any mention of the fact she was working illegally is a straw man argument - it has no bearing on this case.

    Any one who believes you do the crime, you do the time, needs to understand the government intervened because a flimsy case and decision of guilt was made on evidence that wouldn't have come close to bearing up under Canada's reasonable doubt clause.

    Anybody who thinks she wasn't held in deplorable conditions because they saw one video and a few photos where she looked well kept or think weekly phone calls and occasional media visits are luxuries should bear in mind that she was forced to live in a 10ft. by 13ft. cell with 10 other adults and a baby without being charged for over two years.

    Finally, a person who permanently disabled a baby by shaking it was sentenced to nine months in prison today. How can you say a five year sentence was fair even if she was guilty of playing a minor role in a fraud scheme she did not mastermind of benefit greatly from?
  57. Chris Edwards from Canada writes: John Connor - You've been trying all day to pin something on Martin and seem willing to use any straw man argument or ad hominem attack to do so. You told me in an earlier thread to "get over it." Why don't you just get over the fact you are wrong?

    Nancy Wilson - Why don't you just shut your cakehole? I shut you down once today after you called me out twice and you are still at it with your own straw man argument and facts twisted to suit your opinion.

    You are a bunch of mean spirited pricks and nothing more. Karma is a powerful thing. Be very careful.
  58. John Connor from Canada writes: Don Jenkins from Canada writes: This is not an opinion piece. Respected legal institutions in Canada are the named source in this article. The reason we have a justice system is to protect people from the ignorant small-minded mob mentalities shown on this board, at home and abroad. Brenda Martin has done her time, guilty or not, is what they're saying. Nice you don't think the justice you yourself are entitled to is good enough for your fellow citizens. Don: Canadians who commit crimes on Canadian soil, are entitled to Canadian justice. Canadians who commit crimes on Mexican soil, are entitled to Mexican justice. The two are not necessarily equal, but that is not up for debate. She was illegally living and working in Mexico. She was arrested, and held under their laws, like them or not. What's the problem, and why should she think she is entitled to special treatment simply by virtue of being a female in a foreign jail, after living and working in that foreign coiuntry for 8 years? Sorry Don, but you've been conned worse than those that got caught up in her bosses' deals. If you think the "S" on your forehead stands for Superman, look again, 'cause I have a newsflash for you man. It stands for Sucker.
  59. John Connor from Canada writes: Chris Edwards, please drop back into whatever watering hole you poured out of. You make no sense tonight. The act of living and working illegally in a foreign country is hardly a straw man argument. It's fraud.
    And you my freind are an apologist tool. Sorry about the ad hominem, but if the truth hurts, tough.
  60. mike sty - from Canada writes:

    What do Brenda Martin and 67 Harper Conservative MP's have in common..........all are accused of money laundering.
  61. Brian Amyotte from Canada writes: May be way off base here but I thought I heard somewhere that Ms. Martin said she did not want to live in Canada because it was too cold. But she now weeps for Canadian support. After all this will she even stick around?

    Brian
  62. Duane Freemantle from writes: This is the second time in the last year that a parole board has seem to act political in nature. Mr. Greenspan is doing his job as a lawyer, to get his client to serve the minimum time possible. It is understandable that Brenda Martin's time served in Mexican prison be taken into account to determine how long she should spend time in a Canadian prison. However, this does not mean that she should get a 'get out of jail free card'. Reading about her current prison conditions having continue to send a six months to a year would not seem unreasonable. The lesson learned her is get yourself a good lawyer, and a lot of support.
  63. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: I am not aware of any Canadians that have ever been charged with a crime and jailed in Peru.

    But then, most Canadians are smart enough not to get into trouble in the first place, or are smart enough to deal with it on the spot...

    However, some 200 foreign tourists get caught at Lima Airport trying to smuggle drugs out of the country every year, and they receive stiff sentences.

    "Honestly, I didn't know that there was 20 kg of cocaine in my suitcase" doesn't work very well...

    For those that laugh at foreign justice systems, I tend to laugh at the Canadian justice system, and the crack-pot lawyers that will try anything for a buck... Best Regards.
  64. halcyon days from Canada writes: Why a private jet ?? (and a Challenger yet) . . . many folks are deported on scheduled services with one or two escorts. Perhaps in this case: Gaudalajara - Mexico City - Toronto and then surface to Kitchener or wherever. Herer, the private jet departs Canada empty to Mexico and back to Kitchener, and then off empty (again) to wherever it's based . . . any idea of the actual cost of this ?

  65. Johnny Canuck from Canada writes: P Martin? Is this the lady who got $26,000 severence pay for being a cook in Mexico for 10 months? I suspect Pat martin would have difficulty selling her story to Revenue Canada.
  66. Mahatma Gandhi from Calgary, Canada writes: Of course she must be innocent. (a) She's Canadian, (b) she says she's innocent, and (c) she was convicted in a Latin American country.

    Every time I hear about corruption in other countries, I remember Brian Mulroney receiving cash-filled envelopes in various hotel rooms from a professional scoundrel.
  67. Jim Shepherd from Lima, Peru writes: I do agree though that Brenda Martin should have been immediately released, from the Challenger jet somewhere over the Gulf of Mexico.

    That not being the case, let "Big Al" at Revenue Canada deal with her.

    Although I have never been a big fan of Revenue Canada, I respect them to the letter of the law, and have no intention of ever being sodomized by them.

    Poor little Brenda has played her justice cards, but the PMO has little influence in tax matters, and there is still the minor detail of filing 8 years of tax missing returns...

    Rot in hell. Best Regards.
  68. Mary Quite Contrary from Canada writes: If she doesn't spend the rest of her sentence in a Canadian jail, I hate to be the next really innocent person who gets in trouble in Mexico. Did not our government agree that she would serve our the rest of her sentence in a Canadian jail? And if she is now released, would not that insult the Mexicans? And would they not in the future refuse to release Canadians to the Canadian government knowing that it would break its word? Of course, this has not crossed the minds of the Lefties. If they do have minds at all.
  69. Chris Edwards from Canada writes: " John Connor from Canada writes: Chris Edwards, please drop back into whatever watering hole you poured out of. You make no sense tonight. The act of living and working illegally in a foreign country is hardly a straw man argument. It's fraud.
    And you my freind are an apologist tool. Sorry about the ad hominem, but if the truth hurts, tough."

    Not a strawman? Sorry for the ad hominem? Give it a rest. All either thing means to me is you couldn't win this argument based on facts. The only test is this - she was not in jail or on trial for living and working illegally in a foreign country, so any argument that attempts to draw this fact in is straw man. Full stop. Deal with the charges and evidence or lack thereof, or shut up.

    Your argument fails this very simple test, so you either don't know the meaning of the word, or you are simply mean spirited and obstinate. I suspect it is equal parts ignorance and ego.

    Hope it helps you sleep tonight.
  70. PJ C from Victoria, Canada writes: Just a note to say that the "Parole Board" has made no decision whatsoever on this case. The people at the Kitchener women's prison will have to do an evaluation of her release plans, which will have to be agreed upon by the area where she wants to go, then Kitchener will submit a report to the Parole Board. On paper she certainly qualifies for Accelerate Parole (first federal, non-violent offences) so I expect to see her sprung fairly shortly.
  71. Chris Edwards from Canada writes: Save for Don Jenkins, are an angry and pitiable lot who deserve one another. Please continue to feed off each other's rage at whatever short comings you were dealt in your own lives - it will make it easier for karma to catch up with you. Keep telling yourselves you are happy and proud of your anger until then. People with attitudes like yours are very close to base animal instinct, near total unconsciousness. Your minds are not complicated at all, and I know each of your minds well enough to know you hate yourselves more than you hate Brenda Martin.
  72. Me Again from Toronto, Canada writes: I am not in the least bit surprised by some of the attitude displayed, here - Canada good, Mexico bad. I thought liberals were proud of breaking away from their colonialist mentality but it seems you scratch deep enough and you get an arrogant know it all who only believes that the rule of law is only possible in a land where they are the watch dogs.

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