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Details of tasering stripped from RCMP report

JIM BRONSKILL AND SUE BAILEY

THE CANADIAN PRESS

Latest comment posted at 4:56 PM EST 12/05/08

Mounties have stripped any new answers from a heavily censored report on the high-profile stun gun incident involving Polish immigrant at Vancouver airport ...Read the full article

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  1. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: Imagine our surprise. These guys are getting so predictable.
  2. My 2 Cents from Canada writes: Let the Arm Chair Quarter Backing begin.....I'll tell you what's predictable....all of the Cop Haters will start posting on this board...now that's what I call predictable....
  3. Tim Bryson from Claresholm, AB., Canada writes: Hey, 2 cents...its not a matter of cop hating, its a simple matter of accountability. As a small town resident, I'm on great terms with all our local RCMP. This doesn't mean I would want to give them carte blanche in their work. You need to park the rant and look at the facts.
  4. True North from Canada writes: Incredible - the RCMP claims it redacted information to 'protect the privacy' of a dead person (whom they killed) when a public inquiry into exactly that very same death will begin shortly and such information will be available without censorship.

    Binding civilian oversight for police forces now.

    Tasers kill.
  5. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: That's pretty bizarre reasoning you use there, 2 cents. If people want the RCMP to explain why they tasered somebody to death that automatically means they hate them? At 2 cents, your opinions are highly overpriced.
  6. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: This case convinces me that if the RCMP had their way we'd live in a police state.

    They have little interest in doing what the public wants or enforcing the laws our parliament passed.

    Their primary interests are self-interests: dominating and ordering around other people, handing out extra-judicial punishment at will.
  7. Honesty is the best Policy from Canada writes:
    Moratorium needed.
    Police are convinced by paid agents of the corporation that manufactures and distributes this weapon that it is harmless. This corporation sues coroners who say it contributes to deaths. The arming of our police forces is for civilians to decide not the police themselves or a corporation that makes huge profits from misinformation.

    Time for truth and proper research. Time for a moratorium till then
  8. The Oracle from Caiman Islands, Canada writes: Secrecy spreads from Harper Gov't to RCMP.
  9. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: I generally support the Conservatives, so I am a law and order kind of person.

    But how can a police force claim to enforce the law when it is incapable of enforcing the law on its own members.

    The 4 mounties either killed a panic stricken innocent man with their Taser, or by sitting on him.

    And then the RCMP lied to the public about it. Either the 4 mounties lied. Or the spokesman lied.

    In my opinion we have a clear case of manslaughter, and accessories after the fact to manslaughter, by government officials in a special position of power.

    Severe criminal penalties are in order.
  10. EJ L from GTA, Canada writes: well, now there is a reason to be skeptical.
  11. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Liberals can't duck this one by claiming it is a Harper thing.

    These 4 mounties were hired and trained under Liberal governments. So were their managers and executives.

    They were following standard operating procedures created under successive Liberal governments.

    The Liberals were in power for too long, and Canadians and immigrants are still suffering under their legacy.

    As for the NDP, we all know how wonderful the police are in left-wing extremist countries ... NOT!
  12. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: "Let the Arm Chair Quarter Backing begin"

    Police give up their right to complain about us arm chair quarterbacking them when they do it to us 40 hours a week.

    Police, crown attorneys and judges all make their livings by arm chair quarterbacking. It is their job and their duty.

    Likewise it is the job and duty or every loyal citizen to oversee and armchair quarterback our government, including the police and judiciary.

    I think it is tantamount to treason for government officials and government employees to interfere with citizens in the performance of their duties.
  13. E M from Canada writes: I have a police officer as a personal friend. (and as an ex-paratrooper, I have some knowledge of security, etc. ;-)). However, I find that police are now becoming much less accountable, and abusing their authority, with the tacit consent of Harper's government. It seems to be a global trend to be moving towards a police state, more surveillance of the general public, more abuse of the unnecessary use of tasers, etc. Canada, the new Burma, or North Korea, or whatever, in a few years if we don't pay attention and start demanding accountability and TRANSPARENCY of ALL police/military in Canada, at ALL times in ALL places, etc. And yes, I would agree that corporations are attempting to replace/intimidate/overrule governments in many, many areas. Seriously contemplate this at the next election.
  14. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: EM, Harper became PM on September 7, 2006. Are you saying the root cause of this only dates back to then?

    Tasers were in use by the Mounties before then.

    Mounties have been man-handling prisoners for decades.

    And Mounties were keeping secrets back in the days of the FLQ.

    The problems with the Mounties started long before September 2007, they started during decades of repeated Liberal governments.

    (Also, it takes a real Liberal Party of Canada die-hard to blame Harper for what is going Burma and North Korea.)
  15. Slippery Slope from Canada writes: Did they actually have enough time to say "Stop or you will be hit with 50,000 volts.

    All I heard in the video is Can I tas him?
  16. Bildebergers beware you've robbed your last grave from Canada writes: NAZI's
  17. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Keith S:-- So, in your highly partisan world, there is a causal relationship between being a conservative/Conservative and being law-abiding. If this were true, Keith, the crime rate where Canadian conservatives are to be found in greater proportion should be lower. Considering also that the U.S. is generally considered more conservative than Canada, that should even mean that the U.S. has a lower crime rate than Canada. Since neither of these situations appears to demonstrate your thesis, perhaps you'd like to give it a bit more thought, or even some thought.
  18. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Slippery Slope, you are exactly right.

    As citizens we need to decide if this is a criminal act, where the people actually doing it face criminal penalties, or it is a political act directed from Ottawa by a newly elected government.

    I believe that bringing federal political parties into this is a red herring. It is a distraction.

    It is a tactic to get the mounties off the hook:

    Let the public blame the government -- and the 4 mounties that carried out the act, and the various mounties that lied in the cover-up, will get off with no criminal penalty.
  19. Bildebergers beware you've robbed your last grave from Canada writes: Well put E M.

    There seems to be a fundamental change in the way gov't views it's citezens.

    With the seemingly endless amount of trade associations like teh FTC APAC SPP NAFTA etc.. It is a wonder that teh general population has not been enslaved faster.

    What bothers me, and I don't see a groudnswell of populist defiance, is that our rights are continuing to be undersminded while that of the corporation, including the GLobe adn Mail, continue to gain a stonger foothold in determing how gov't should be run.

    BE afraid dear readers. When the police don't comply, we have lost the battle. However, the war has just begun.

    For a gretaer idea of how corporations and gov'ts interact, go to www.globalresearch.ca
  20. Bildebergers beware you've robbed your last grave from Canada writes: Keith S,

    The only way that these four criminals get their just desert is through protests and even civil diobediance. We as Canadians typically do nothing and that is what the RCMP are hoping.

    If this happened in FRANCE....look out!

    I say burn a few RCMP vehicles and stone afew buidlings; that mey get the attenion of MSM and prssure the RCMP into jailing these thugs.

    Incidently...This past week a judge, in the USA, threw out any reference to tasers being accountable in the deaths of several people (forget the state). The coroners are crying foul but the corporations are drinking champagne in celelbration.
  21. Wilma De Bruyn from Toronto, Canada writes: I'd like to get an answer to this question? How come a one man commissioner on the Provincial level investigating the Taser issue,
    when RCMP are at the Federal level???
    And whose going to protect Canada when all the RCMP are at the Olympics?
    If majority are going to be in Vancouver, while their at it they might
    as well clean up that money laundering Squamish town while their at it!!!
  22. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: diane marie You have the American definition of conservative.

    With the international definition, conservatives are law abiding and resist quick changes to law. We are laize faire. We don't believe in government intrusion. We are against police states.

    The US definition of conservatives is as you describe, the exact opposite of this. In Canada, Karl Rove would find his home in the Liberal Party.

    It is like with the colors red and blue, the Americans are the reverse of most of the world.

    But this is a distraction from what is see as the criminal acts of 4 men and their colleagues at work.

    The mounties will seek to frame this as an authorized act by 4 people carrying out their job as they were ordered to. "It is all the fault of the politicians. We were just carrying out orders."

    That is how they will get away with it.

    And my question is, what orders? Harper didn't order this. Did any of the Liberal PMs who preceeded him?

    I see this issue is the result of individual decisions to commit crimes, decisions that should be punished criminally so they are not repeated.

    Or you can blame Harper for what is going on in Burma now and what went on in Canada for the last 40 years -- and let the cops walk free.
  23. runner danchuk from Saskatoon, Canada writes: Eh Eh! Don't get so excited, I am not a cop hater and I have many members of my family are RCMP Constables. I have another member going to Regina for 6 month training in June.

    However, I think that the four burly young RCMP officers used excessive force with this Polish guy.

    His dear mother deserves to know why they stole her only child away from her at the most inopportune time.

    Canadians deserve an answer. Tasers don't kill, I'm ok with that; so who killed the Polish guy and why was he murdered? I watched the video tape.

    Please give us a reason or give us something to reinforce us with answers as to why he had to die. Thanks.

    Tasers don't kill...greatthen who killed our Polish immigrant?
  24. Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Wilma, law enforcement is a provincial responsibility in Canada. The mounties are usually just under contract to the provinces. They have to follow the orders of the provincial government where they work. Passing criminal law is a federal responsibility. So we have this separation of powers in Canada that is supposed to safeguard us from becoming a police state.

    However, I this was an international airport, and I thought that international airports and indian reservations were exceptions to this rule.

    Bildebergers, I saw that too. I hope the medical examiners in the USA take some kind of action.

    And you are so right, if this was France, the UK, Belgium, Holland, the USA, or Germany, there would have been demonstrations in the street ab out this.

    I'm not in favor of violent demonstrations. What I did when this occurred was write various MPs and ministers, and BC ministers, a letter urging criminal prosecution and a fair trial for those responsible. It is the Canadian way, but writing letters is clearly becoming kind of inadequate isn't it.
  25. The Skipper from Canada writes: "All the animals are equal but some are more equal than others."
  26. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Keith S:-- What a complete load of drivel. Conservatives in Canada only pretend to be interested in civil liberties. Well, more accurately, they are interested in the liberty to force their idea of a society down everyone's throat, as they simultaneously remove any chance that those who don't agree with them can be heard. Witness the NGC's cancellation of the court challenges program, the increasingly difficult access to information, and the decline in accountability and transparency. If the NGC is given the opportunity, Canada will have an even larger jail population, despite there being little evidence that a larger rate of incarceration has any effect on crime (though you seem to be of the belief that it does). You suggest that politics be removed from this issue, and yet it is you who introduced it at 7:25 and then 7:28.
  27. Vote NDP in the next federal/ provincial election from Toronto, Canada writes: the RCMP is just like having a large police state where coverups, censoring and/or blacking out documents.

    When will the RCMP be honest and accountable and release everything to the public. If they dont release it then I suggest disbanding the RCMP altogether since they won't learn from their mistakes
  28. Denis Love from Victoria BC, Canada writes: One should agree that since the RCMP spend a lot of time in courts seeing crooks lie like sidewalks, so they do the same. My God, tazering a 82 year old man, in a hospital bed attached to a oxygen system. Three times. Whatever happened to cops using their skills to talk down a client. Heck no, it's more fun to tazer them so they don't have to spend much time on the case.Coffee break coming up. Three supposedly trained people to subdue a old guy who had a small pen knife in his belongings is amost sureal. They are getting very good at writing reports showing them as always being the victim. Now we have transit cops tazering folks who try to get on the train without buying a ticket. What is this country becoming?
  29. Kevin Desmoulin from Toronto, Canada writes: Slippery Slope from Canada writes: Did they actually have enough time to say "Stop or you will be hit with 50,000 volts.

    All I heard in the video is Can I tas him?

    Well I never heard that either, and I do not have the video to review?

    I think they went completely overboard and shows a serious lack of ability to handle one individual.
    May a few wild protests may help I doubt it, but this continued use of tasers and this operational procedures really tend to cast a shadow on this tragic event.
    Such a public display of what happened in Vancouver last October should placed a end on the use of them until more information was brought to light is what I think now.

    I am afraid that the decision on tasers as already been made people.
  30. Peter Cromerovich from Erehwon, Canada writes: It ought to be clear to even the dullest of observers that there is a correlation between an agitated state, taser use and death. Tests "proving tasers are safe" on healthy people in a calm state are meaningless. As such there ought to be a strict and immediate moratorium on taser use in any circumstances except those where a gun would be used.

    None of this "he might have thrown a stapler" or "he might have this or that" nonsense. And yes, as police officers you do get paid to put yourself in some level of danger. If you can't do your job without pulling a taser out at the drop of a hat and hiding behind it then you are in the wrong job. Most of the police officers I have met were professionals and used the least amount of force necessary. It seems the RCMP have much lower standards and attract the bullying kind of yahoo, one with contempt for most other Canadians. With notable exceptions here and there they are, in my opinion, a disgrace to Canada. That there is no moratorium on tasers or search for a safer technology is an even sadder statement on Canada's descent.
  31. Likeable Loser? Vote Liberal! from Canada writes:

    The Mounties are tazering strippers now?
  32. Action Jackson from Canada writes: Disband the RCMP. Fire them all. Build a new police force from scratch.

    Bert Russell: Nice attempt at distraction.
  33. Kevin Desmoulin from Toronto, Canada writes: Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:Ironic how most of the posters critical of the Police are Liberals. The same Liberals who allowed Canada and our Immigration laws to run amuck. These same Liberals allowed Corporations to take power from the Government under Chretien and Martin and place it in boardrooms.
    Generlizations that crime under the Conservatives should be less because Conservatives are tougher on crime are a red herring. It is going to take years to correct the Liberal permissive policies and lack of support for our traditions and values.

    Dosanjh and his disgracful attempt to Politicize this incident and distract Canadians from customs and treatment of minorities in his community.

    Umm Who is politizing this tragedy?

    So what would be your solution?
  34. Joe Gopher from Canada writes: The scariest part of the whole story is that we would never have heard any of the truth about it if it wasn't for the video.
    The RCMP have thrown their reputation in the toilet with their lies.
  35. siren call from Canada writes: Bert Russell Paradox, thank goodness for your contribution.

    I was worried the Mounties were running amok. How nice to know that it is just the fault of Liberals and the liberal media.

    So glad the Conservatives will get this all under control.

    I wonder which aspect of tasering an unarmed immigrant is part of our Canadian traditions and values -- or that the Liberal part?
  36. Ruth Walker from Edmonton, Canada writes: I think we all agree on the inferences that can be drawn from RCMP censorship. It is entirely obvious that the RCMP thinks we are stupid.

    The RCMP is a rogue police force comprised of self-serving, lying bureaucrats at the top, and unquestioning automata at the bottom.

    It has been a very long time since the RCMP served the public good, rather than their own. The force may need to be dismantled before it can be fixed.

    As for the taser, ban it until we can trust those who are authorized to use it. Nothing short will work so far as public safety is concerned.
  37. Zug Zwang from Canada writes: What angers me is the VISIBILITY BIAS which exists amongst far too many readers.

    Mistakes are over scrutinized and taken as the 'norm', yet the good deeds done are ignored for the VERY FACT they were prevented and have never made it to the FRONT PAGE.

    Seriously, they may not be perfect, but perfection is impossible to attain. I for one, would prefer a nation with an RCMP than without one.
  38. True North from Canada writes: Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Liberals can't duck this one by claiming it is a Harper thing. These 4 mounties were hired and trained under Liberal governments. So were their managers and executives.

    **
    Incorrect as it was after the RCMP Commissioner Elliot was appointed by Harper that the RCMP relaxed the standards for using a tazer in BC

    Welcome to Harper's New Canada.
  39. C J from Canada writes: You know you've done something you shouldn't when you have to hide it.
  40. mike sty - from Canada writes: Details of tasering stripped from RCMP report
    --------------------

    Harpers world of cover-ups, scandals, lies, misdeeds and other slimey things done in the middle of the night.

    Cops $uck, especially the Really Corrupt Mounted Police
  41. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Mr. Elliot was supposed to begin the repair of a "horribly broken" RCMP. Instead, he has become the RCMP's apologist by being tasered (and surviving under a controlled experiment for media purposes). What will it take? Zug Zwang suggests that we over-focus on errors as evidence that they represent the norm. Perhaps that is true, but if a system or organization can't learn from its errors, it never improves what anyone would recognize as the "norm". There is no evidence that the RCMP intends to make learning part of its organizational culture. Perhaps it IS learning, but as an organization purportedly in service to the public, it has to publicly demonstrate a dedication to that iterative process instead of hiding the evidence that it even needs to learn.
  42. The Last Honest Conservative from Western, Canada writes:

    I smell Harper .................
  43. The Last Honest Conservative from Western, Canada writes:
    My 2 Cents from Canada wrote:
    I'll tell you what's predictable....all of the Cop Haters will start posting on this board.

    Sorry 2 Cents:
    There are still no posts from James Rosko, Curtis Dagenais or any of the other cop hating gun nuts ..................
  44. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    I'm afraid...

    !Heil!
  45. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    What does this have to do with Harper?

    He created the RCMP?

    That's nuts...
  46. D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada writes: Why are the RCMP members on the 'front lines' so willing to use Tasers in almost every conceivable or inconceivable situation? They bear as much blame as anyone else. 'He's the universal . . . and he really is to blame, his orders come from far away no more, they come from here and there and you and me...'
  47. Al Maki from Burnaby, Canada writes: I've thought for a number of years that the RCMP had gone off the rails but censoring Dzienkanski's name for "privacy reasons" seems to me a sign of people who have completely lost touch with reality.
    The RCMP seems to have become what the Post office was twenty years ago.
    It's a pity we haven't had a parliament in the last twenty years that's been willing to deal with this and it won't get any better till we do.
  48. The Last Honest Conservative from Western, Canada writes:
    Dennis sinneD wrote:
    What does this have to do with Harper ?

    Yes Dennis......... you must be nuts
    Harper is a politican who promised open government and now censors everything .
    ............... after being elected PM with a lot of help from the RCMP.
  49. The Last Honest Conservative from Western, Canada writes:
    Al Maki,
    That is because the Conservatives were running the post office 20 years ago .............
  50. k w from Regina, Canada writes: "True North from Canada writes: Keith S from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Liberals can't duck this one by claiming it is a Harper thing. These 4 mounties were hired and trained under Liberal governments. So were their managers and executives.

    **
    Incorrect as it was after the RCMP Commissioner Elliot was appointed by Harper that the RCMP relaxed the standards for using a tazer in BC."

    What an absolute surprise Keith S. hasn't apologized for lying about this. Typical Klanservative, no better than a Lieberal booster. B.S. and hope no one calls you on it, and run and hide when they do.
  51. Mark P from Saint John, NB, Canada writes: Truly disgusting. Our national police farce is running off the rails and no one in the government will step up to take control.
  52. Allan b from Haliburton, Canada writes: I think one of the major things about this case that disturbs me is the fact that MP lied until they found out that someone had video taped the whole episode I am so glad that someone did video the incident. This really shows me that not only the MP but all police fources in this country LIE.
    In saying this if you are in a situation where say a police officer holds a grudge against you and decides to charge you with some bogus charge YOUR BEET. Cause in a court of law the police officers word is taken as gospal truth.
    I no for sure that if any of us were even remotly connected to causing the death of any indavidule we would be in JAIL period. Waiting if aloud to make bail.
    Its a sad state of affairs and something really needs to be done now.
  53. Dana Dana from Canada writes: Can we call them the state police yet?
  54. Allan b from Haliburton, Canada writes: This notion that police officers have a dangerous job is wareing a little thin . To me taxi drivers in the city of TO or any other major city have a much more dangerous job. After all there not armed with anything.
  55. globefan Eh from Canada writes: Transparency in the Harper era..simply amazing, the most secretive government in Canadian history.
  56. Carl White from Canada writes: "Zug Zwang from Canada writes: What angers me is the VISIBILITY BIAS which exists amongst far too many readers.

    Mistakes are over scrutinized and taken as the 'norm', yet the good deeds done are ignored for the VERY FACT they were prevented and have never made it to the FRONT PAGE."

    When we make such mistakes, they're called crimes and we're prosecuted for it.
  57. Allan b from Haliburton, Canada writes: Right on Carl could not have said that better myself
  58. Elmo Harris from Niagara, Canada writes: It's time to get rid of the RCMP once and for all. These guys are living off of a reputation that was forged almost a 100 years ago without adding any new creditable reasons for their continued existence. B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba should form their own provincial police forces. Given their new-found prosperity, I see no reason why the rest of us should be footing the majority of the bill to provide this service to provinces that can now afford to do it on their own.

    As it stands now, the RCMP are out of control and no longer serve the interests of the people that pay their bills. Instead, their self-interest is constantly put ahead of the public good. They no longer serve the purpose for which they were originally formed and do not adequately serve the purpose which they now claim.
  59. Jesse Winger from Calgary Southwest, Canada writes: I'm not a cop hater. My uncle served with the RCMP for many years 'til he retired. He was a good cop.

    However, this death-by-taser of a humble, innocent man by four Mounties stinks to high heaven and every Canadian with a sense of decency and fairness knows it. Yet the coverup (like that battery bunny) goes on, and on, and on, and on...

    The truth would set the Mounties free of this debacle but they're so deeply entrenched in the coverup that now they can't.

    That's why a full public inquiry is necessary in this case. Are you at all listening to ordinary Canadians any longer, Mr. Day? How about you, Mr. Harper?
  60. Harper-approved lies are scripted talking points from Canada writes: Give the Mounties AK-47s. If anyone dies from being shot by one of them, it must be because they had a "pre-existing condition" that made them susceptible to bullets.
  61. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Bob Robinson:-- Assuming, and it's not a reach, that Elmo Harris pays income and consumption (GST) taxes, then he does indeed pay for the RCMP from his pocket, as do we all. The incident in question was not an "accident", but an obvious misuse of power and authority. Not one of us has not made a mistake. If we are fortunate, that mistake is something that we can simply berate ourselves about. If we are unfortunate, that mistake results in greater harm. Nevertheless, if we aren't open to confronting our mistakes, we do not learn from them - and that goes for our institutions. I perceive from the tenor of your post that you are opposed to such examinations and that you would prefer, rather, to simply attack those who suggest that our institutions should either learn from their mistakes or suffer the consequences of their failure to do so. The consequences are the loss of the public's trust and the self-respect that derives from knowing that one deserves it.
  62. p m from Canada writes: The national police force has gone even further with the Mr. Dziekanski report, deleting information it routinely releases in other cases.

    The national police force have lost me.

    They used to be an icon of Canada.

    They are now a national disgrace.

    they have no ethics
    they have no morals.
    they are NOT professional

    Ihope that they are disbanded and that a truly educated, professional, highly trained force in put in place.

    They should go enlisted to muck oout the stables, as that seems to be the level of their training
  63. Harbinger from Out West from Prince George, Canada writes: It took just 34 seconds between the RCMP arriving and the tasering. I wonder if the Mountie who tasered the guy at the airport needs pharmaceuticals to fall asleep at night. I have no respect for the Mounties anymore. Or for that matter most professionals these days. Sports, politics and entertainment also.
  64. BaB OmimO from Canada writes: RCMP scumbags...

    I am very angry.....
  65. Allan b from Haliburton, Canada writes: Bob Robinson Hmmm I didn`t no murdering someone could be misconstrude as being an accident . intersting
    I hope the police forces stop using tasers soon cause they sure are having a lot of accidents.
  66. John E7 from Salt Spring Island, Canada writes: It wasn't the taser that killed the victim - it was the victim's weak heart. It wasn't the bullet fired from the gun that killed the victim - it was the loss of blood. Its the victim's fault never the device!
    We have too much control freak in our 'system' and far too many weak minded who can't see past brute force as a solution.
    We are devolving as a culture!
  67. runner danchuk from Saskatoon, Canada writes: Yeah, well, you may not remember how RCNP Zacarelli put Ralph Goodale's name in history, and helped elevate Harper to his PM post, both owe each other more than we could ever imagine. I can't even imagine how 4 police officers decided to kill Polish Deizjowly and take him from this earth. To me, this is murder, actually premeditated murder, which would be murder in the first degree. Stockwell dy and Harper see it as justice being served because those 4 RCMP officers lives were at risk. I saw the video, I heard the a witness attempt to come to his rescue, I saw what observed and analyzied what happened after the 4 RCMP made the decision to taser Polish D. How in the world could Stockwell Day justify and lie to Canadian Taxpayers about this injustice to the dearly beloved mother who so frantically tried to retrieve her son. Today is Mother's Day, he was her only child. Wow, My empathy goes to her at this time and on this day of her personal grieving and the loss of her son. By the way, I am no way a 'cop hater', as I said, I have many family members in the RCMP organization. I strongly believe they would not have murdered Polish D. What's up with the Harper Cons and the RCMP...Hidden Agenda...Who will the RCMP Commissioner Wilson target when the election is called? Anybody care to guess. We could start a contest and it could be fun. I say they'll target Dion. He seems to be a real threat to Harper for some reason. Secondly, they'll try to silence Bob Rae, thirdly, they will try to muzzle Iggy, fourth probably Ken Dryden. How many Lawsuits can Harper's government even expect hardworking, law abiding Canadian Taxpayers to pay for legal costs associated with muzzling Liberal and NDP MP's? Bring it on Harper, I have nothing, therefore, I have nothing to lose. God Bless You and God Bless Canada on this beautiful Mother's Day.
  68. Jerry Cutler from Delta, BC, Canada writes:

    What a disgusting bunch of dishonourable thugs!

    Canadians should be ashamed!
  69. Action Jackson from Canada writes: "Because some guy died accidently after an encounter with them does not mean the whole Force is bad. It was an accident. We in the west are very ...." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  70. runner danchuk from Saskatoon, Canada writes: Bob Robertson, I am from the West and I have many relatives as members of the RCMP force. No, this was no accident, Polish D was murdered less than a minute after the decision was made to taser him.
    Tasers don't kill, people kill. And in this case the RCMP member killed Polish Deikowzkie.

    This is usually looked upon as murder in the first or second degree.
    I'm from the West, and the father who just murdered his three darling children should use the defense 'well, it's the kiddies fault' because they wanted to grow up and be independent? Is this what you believe.
    Just an accident, kids shouldn't have looked so scared, kids shouldn't have looked so happy, kids shouldn't have been there?
    If you believe the RCMP officers involved were victims, I guess you are welcome to your opinion.
    I agree that most RCMP would act or react more humanely. They have become a very valuable safeguard in most communities.
  71. MQ9 Reaper from Canada writes: As the RCMP repeatedly flaunt their contempt for any accountability, the next time the force loses one of its members to real criminals, the last thing they should expect is public sympathy.
  72. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    Diane Marie: you a born again Liberal talking about misuse of power and authority - Liberals and the Liberal connected media (your beloved GM) and CanWest have sensationlized this whole issue. The Liberal parasites which have been previously mentioned have focused their angst and hate against the Conservatives and trying to blame the RCMP for their losing of the election when corruption within the Liberals and dysfunction through several terms is actually what did them in.
    The men and women of the RCMP are trying to do the best in a difficult job only to be broadsided by a Liberal appointment Commr Zacci and other Liberal embedded executives. (What of abuse of authority and power by the Liberal there?)
    As far as the public and the media not being priviledged to names and other private information (check the Bill of Your Rights) Diane if you decided to kick over the traces one night and had to be tasered with your new found partner - would you want the Police releasing your name along with your drunken lover? It is none of anyones business, public or media.
  73. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    Information given to the media is for statistical purposes only ... not for their journalist hacks to speculate and try to write stories around. CTV GM and Can the West .. dig up your own tabloid speculation ... why should Police Forces provide the media with private details so the media can turn around and sell papers and advertising?
  74. Jesse Winger from Calgary Southwest, Canada writes: Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada: Nobody on this forum is suggesting the police don't have a difficult job.

    The RCMP must be held accountable for their actions - particularly in this dreadful case. Otherwise we descend into a police state - like modern Zimbabwe or South Africa was in last century.

    After all: I saw the video - did you?
  75. zaphod beeblebrox from CesspoolisEdmonton, Canada writes: The censoring of data is akin to the ghestapo or KGB. Not even any real proof that the taser killed him. I suspect that fact that one of the officers put his full weight on the guys throat is how they murdered him.
  76. Boreal Moose from Canada writes:
    I'm more shocked and disturbed by the arrogance and disregard for the public shown in this stupid act of censorship than I was by the tasering of the poor guy.

    The RCMP must come to understand they are best loved when they are overseen and controlled by the people, not when they attempt to oversee and control us.
  77. Boreal Moose from Canada writes: Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:...why should Police Forces provide the media with private details so the media can turn around and sell papers and advertising?

    Its called accountability. If they routinely release information in other cases which is not released in this instance, they are clearly doing so only to avoid public scrutiny and embarassment in light of a clear overreaction by their personel. And in the end they simply appear arrogant and stupid because it is so obvious and ham-handed.

    What is truly sad is that the only action the RCMP probably regret is not having confiscated all the cellphones of everyone who was in the airport!
  78. M Willmax from St. Andrews, Canada writes: R.C.M.P.
    Royal Coverup Misinformation Mess
  79. Still Learning at 77 from Canada writes: Boy are we ever getting closer to a police state.

    Have a good day everyone and may the grease money be returned to us
  80. Jeremy K from vancouver canada, Canada writes: the RCMP need to realize that the greatest problem they face is that the public has zero confidence in anything they say because they are far too secretive and getting information that should be in the public realm is like pulling teeth. simply put - they have no credibility and numerous polls testify to the fact that the public no longer trusts the cops. To put out a heavily redacted report is basically the cops saying. F*** you Canada we dont give a damn what you think.

    too cheeky by far and its not solving their credibility issues.
  81. Fake Name from Canada writes: Hahaha ... if they're censoring the report to 'protect public confidence' in their work, that's as good as admitting they found something that should cause us to question our confidence in them.

    Still, the guy did throw a table and a computer across the room before being tasered. Its not like he was some poor non-violent victim who did nothing to provoke the officers to think he needed to be subdued.
  82. mike b. from Toronto, Canada writes: What else is new. The RCMP knows it screwed up when it killed Robert Dziekanski and will go to extraordinary lengths to obfuscate, block, delay and deny information to protect itself. A private citizen employing the RCMP's methods could be charged with obstructing justice or even perjury and certainly conspiracy. But for the RCMP, it's just another day at the office. Can you spell A P P E A L? Let's hope the CP and CBC's lawyers appeal and force the RCMP to reveal information that rightfully needs to be in the public domain. Did the RCMP drain the batteries of their taser on Dziekanski and are they hiding what could then be construed as torture or an execution? The Freedom of Information Act request is the starting point. Don't let it go.
  83. Toby Maloney from Canada writes: Not that I'm defending the RCMP, but Elmo provincial forces have their own issues and are hardly a solution to the problem. The Surete drastically ramped up the Oka stand-off, the OPP shot Dudley George, the Winnipeg Police Department shot JJ Harper, Toronto cops ran the drug trade etc. etc. There are more recent issues that show the conditions that led to these events have yet to be resolved.

    The issue, coast to coast, is the absence of rigorous civilian over sight to confront systemic problems such as the consistent failure to objectively and adequately investigate police malfeasance, or entrenched racism, or the failure to respond to community policing priorities.
  84. Randy D from Canada writes: Just more evidence that as India and China lead the way in the entreprenurial spirit we are being over-governed to the extent of becoming a police state, consistent with third world status.
    These are the same people that the blonde employment equity bimbos have deemed to be 'heroes' perverting the word beyond recognition.
  85. Dave M from Canada writes: The RCMP's great image in the old days was based on the fact that unlike most police forces, they tempered law enforcement with common sense and compassion. That's almost all gone now, what we saw in the Vancouver airport were thugs in the guise of armed bureaucrats.
  86. Wilma De Bruyn from Toronto, Canada writes: Dana Dana from Canada writes: Can we call them the state police yet?
    Posted 11/05/08 at 11:08 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment

    Unfortunately not yet, but perhaps soon we will call them "Global Police Farce" due to the fact we will become North American Union, as
    us of a was always a Corporation, not a country, under the British Rule, and us of a country is only the property around the White House. (The Biggest Secret by David Icke)
    We are the cattle building a new world order for the elite rich.
    (check out concentration camps in us of a and Canada)(Radio Alchymy.com)Super highways will all be tolled.
    Previous to Hitler, guns were also confiscated, is history repeating itself??? I would say yes. Are we a police state, I would say definitely!!!This commissioner of tasers is a total farce, it is only for
    formality sake to pacify the public. It will just continue as before.
  87. Sean L. from Toronto Center, Canada writes: "In a letter accompanying the form, the RCMP says it invoked exemptions under the Access to Information Act to protect the privacy of the person stunned"

    News flash guys, you might have missed this under all your censored lines in your report, but the person stunned is dead, so he has no privacy expectations.

    It looks like we need to replace the replacement leader of the RCMP.
  88. john brett from Canada writes: Denis Love from Victoria BC, Canada writes: One should agree that since the RCMP spend a lot of time in courts seeing crooks lie like sidewalks, so they do the same. My God, tazering a 82 year old man, in a hospital bed attached to a oxygen system. Three times. Whatever happened to cops using their skills to talk down a client. Heck no, it's more fun to tazer them so they don't have to spend much time on the case.Coffee break coming up. Three supposedly trained people to subdue a old guy who had a small pen knife in his belongings is amost sureal. They are getting very good at writing reports showing them as always being the victim. Now we have transit cops tazering folks who try to get on the train without buying a ticket. What is this country becoming?
    ___________________________________________________

    Denis, The knife was not in his belongings but in his hand. He had attacked some of the nurses at the hospital with it, they called hospital security b/c they could not handle the situation. He attacked hospital security too, they called the police. He then attacked the police. The taser was used in touch mode to get him to drop the knife. FYI It was not a pen knife. Even so if it was 2 inches of a knife blade is more than enough to kill a person. But I suspect that you are one of those who think Police officers should expect to be injured on the job. Just like firefights should expect to suffer third degree burns, after all, fire is just part of their job.
  89. Sean L. from Toronto Center, Canada writes: "Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes: Diane Marie: you a born again Liberal"

    Bert, I am a conservative, and disagree with just about every lunatic post made by Diane in most other articles excepting this case.

    For me, as with most conservatives, to us good government means small, fiscally prudent and accountable (although Diane seems to think conservative = christian fundamentalists).

    I do not want a nanny state, or its twin sister the police state. They are both facsist states were individual rights are oppressed by the all-seeing eye of omnipotent big brother. It just happens that policing is the one area where liberals desire for state control is overruled by their hippy era fears of cops - which are in this case justified.

    If you want unaccountable public officials, please don't claim to speak for us conservatives.
  90. Inga Himeson from Pineville, Canada writes:
    The main problem is not only with a couple of taser wielding cops drunk on power, the cavalier use of this glorified high voltage electrical cattle prod, the portable miniaturized deadly components of an electric chair that sometimes by ''accident'' exterminate the unfortunate innocent victims who come in range of this murderous weapon.

    The central problem lies one level further up in the food chain. It is an inherently faulty decision/policy making system that puts tasers in the hands of police. The problem is shared by the aggressive marketing of tasers that boundlessly glorifies it, selling a faulty sense of security like snake oil and the law enforcement managers who are mislead and allowed to be fooled by the hypnotizing, glittering advertisement.
  91. Peter Cromerovich from Erehwon, Canada writes: Having just read of the RCMP triple zapping by taser of the post bypass surgery and pneumonia suffering delirious 82 yr old in a hospital bed I am beginning to wonder. Is it now standard procedure item 1 for the RCMP to taser somebody whenever responding to a call?
  92. Bert Russell Paradox, BC from Canada writes:
    It seems CTV GM doesn't want to admit that they alledged the tasering at the Richmond Airport led to the death of Mr. D. If they didn't then why do most people believe it? Why wasn't that made clear by GM.

    Sean L: perhaps you misunderstood my comment? Us Conservatives? Do you speak for all Conservatives as Diane does for Liberals?
    I expect the RCMP to be completely accountable, but the Bill of Rights imposes some limitation because of privacy. This is not about a Nanny State or a Police State (give your head a shake). I expect the media to be accountable as well, their tabloid trial and judgment of the Richmond incident is not being objective or accountable. It is American inspired trial by their right wing Media. If the GM is objective and credible why don't they report facts about the Middle East and Israel. In my opinion they are controlled by policy, not unlike China free press!!

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