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TIM WHARNSBY

From Friday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 6:33 PM EDT 16/05/08

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  1. Pat Billings from CDN, Canada writes: All that whining about the officiating finally paid off for the Flyers. Similar to the game #4 of the Stars/Wings game, the officiating breaks all went to the 0-3 team. The Pens only got two PPs despite the Flyers spending the whole night initiating after-the-whistle scrums and continuing their streaks of cheap shots (i.e. Upshall).
    Therien should make better use of Laraque.
  2. dan vanman from Canada writes: This just makes the Pens fans happy. Now they can close out the cross-state rivals at home. Philly just prolonged the inevitable.
  3. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: Flyers win tonight is a result of reverting to the club's history. Hit the opposition at every opportunity and have the zebras sort out the legality. Worked in the past and there is no reason why the club should not try it now.

    I expect Sunday will see even more as the current edition of the Flyers attempt to don the mantle of the Bullies - which will be unsuccessful, but will make for an interesting game.

    I am still trying to figure out how Pat Billings is an anagram for Sucking Lemons.
  4. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Quit whining about the refs... as for after the whistle crap both teams are seriously guilty of that. As Cherry said... give the participants 10 minute misconducts and that chit will go away.

    Agreed Dan... inevitable... both series.

    Unfortunate really... there was a possibility of the cup being awarded (to the wings) in May for the first time since 91.

    Cheers
  5. greg panke from Canada writes: I wasn't sure if it was just me, but it seems most hockey fans think the same thing, the refs give the Flyers a lot of breaks. It really would be interesting to know how much instruction the refs get from the league to call the games with a particular result in mind.

    The Flyers and the refs tonight are an embarrassment to the league.

    A bit of Karma in the game was how Shero Junior lost to the same, albeit milder, tactics that his father used to help the Flyers "win" their undeserved Cups.

    I think a retroactive removal of the Flyer name from the Cup and have it replaced by the 2nd place teams should be considered. If the steroid users in the Olympics can lose their medals, the Flyers should be able to lose their "vicories" too, the only difference was that the cheating in the NHL was league sanctioned.
  6. Matt O from Canada writes: What's with Cole and his love for the Flyers' fans? I thought before it was just because he hated the Habs, but every time they get going he gets all giddy and weird. I think they have to send his pants out for dry cleaning after every Flyers home win, if you catch my drift.
  7. dan vanman from vancouver, Canada writes: Wow greg...thats quite the list of serious grievances you have put on the Flyers.

    Look, they aint my fave either, but I doubt there is any league sanctioned hanky panky.

    If its about all the whining...geez, do you remember Gretzky?

    He was a world class whiner...on just about every call. Especially when he was with the Oilers.

    Putting the onus on the ref to make the call, playing borderline...is a lot different from collusion with the league. That is pretty far fetched.

    The retroactive thing was pretty funny too. Got any more far fetched ideas? I could use another laugh!

    Peace.
  8. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: I thought the refs let a lot go tonight. I thought last nights game the officials were brutal....

    That said... so what.

    The refs aren't putting the puck in the net (taking it out sometimes).

    The team that should have won did win. Comparing this Philly team to Philly teams of old is ridiculous.

    For the record... I hate the Flyers.... have since 74.... only cheered for them once and that was the year they became the first expansion team to win a cup.

    Cheers
  9. Pat Billings from CDN, Canada writes: Loucks. 10 mins would surely solve the problem. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen because it always involves one of the Flyers top players. No way the refs throw those guys out for 10 mins at a time.

    What Upshall and Richards did at the end of the game was completely classless (yet completely expected by a Flyer). Sadly, there is nothing the Pens can do to retaliate without incurring a penalty. There is no downside for the Flyers to play this way. These guys are protected by the rules (instigator) and by the refs (who let it happen without any meaningful repurcussions).

    If anything, the first regular season game between those two next season is going to be a must-see. Therien has a long memory and loves to resort back to the "junior stuff".
  10. Guido Sartucci from Flin Flon, Canada writes: Crosby looked like a whining dorc tonight.
  11. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Billings.

    The rule today is that the refs send one of them off for 2 minutes.... stupid rule. Cherry was suggesting they send all involved off for 10 minutes.... it used to be they all went off for 2... players didn't care.

    10 minutes automatic (delay of game) would stop it. Players don't like sitting for 10 minutes.

    As for Upshall and Richards.... I'd take those guys on my team anytime. In fact... I can't think of too many teams in the league that wouldn't... maybe on Detroit and Pittsburg they would be 3rd/4th line players.... nobody else.

    Agreed the first game next year will be something to watch. Therien and Stevens coached against each other in the AHL as well.

    Cheers
  12. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: Following Billings' logic, Sid should have been tossed for ten minutes and a game following the altercation in the face-off circle. White towels are provided in all NHL rinks to wave and dry your tears (Roger sitting above us bemused by how waving white towels became a standard feature of the playorrs).

    Philly scored more goals this game and hit everything in sight. They have extended the series to 5 games.

    I don't think we will be discussing a sixth.
  13. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Agreed Mariposa.

    This Flyer team almost blew it up tonight. They may have Coburn back... but I unless Biron stands on his head it will be over.

    Of course I would love to be proved wrong on that prediction. :)

    Cheers
  14. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: playorrs should read playoffs.

    combination of touch typing and 70's reminences.
  15. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Relax all...

    I didn't see tonight's game as I was on the ice myself, but juding from the comments, this is nothing other than the inevitable Pickett's charge that I would have been expecting from a desperate Flyers' team all along...

    I don't see what anyone would want players like Avery, Downie and Upshall on their team, but the answer for the Pens right now doesn't really lie in Georges Laraques.

    It lies with Crosby, Malkin, Hossa and Fleury.

    Pens should close this one out at home in Game #5...

    Perhaps Malkin just has to spend a little time being forced to watch the films of Flin Flon's Bobby Clarke breaking Kharlamov's ankle with that slash way back when to turn him back into the raging bull that he can be...

    Cheers.
  16. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: I'm sensing a little too much single malt in Orillia... no?
  17. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Geez, Ex-3M Belle:

    Did you just have a stroke or did your spell check just die?

    Or was it Loucks 12:06 AM suggestion?

    What were you trying to say at 12:02 AM again?

    Cheers.
  18. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: Scot - blended until the finals. At that point you switch to reveal the true essence of the team.

    It was good to see Philly come back and win this game, if only to give another lesson to the Pens as they progress.

    This may cause Insufferable to choke on his lobster but I see Wings in 5 for Stanley.
  19. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Mariposa;

    As you probably know that is exactly my bet with Mr. Martel.

    Thinking about it today.... if the Wings win in 6 or 7 its a tie.

    I figure I can't lose ... only win or draw.

    Cheers
  20. Mariposa Belle from Leacockland, Canada writes: Miller - spellcheck did not die, it never existed on this computer.

    Excuse me, the hamster running this thing needs another injection of steroids and 'Tasty Pellets (tm)".

    I'm running the same program with the same equipment MLSE has given to whoever is the Leaf's GM.
  21. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: To the Obviously hostile former 3M employee -- Belle:

    "Wings in five???"

    That's an even crazier post than whatever you were trying to say at 12:02 AM... And to speak about MLS&E in the same breath as the Stanley Cup Finals.... sacrilege!

    Please write back when your hamster has been adequately "juiced" or you regain the feeling on the right side of your body... Maybe you will make more sense after both Game #5s.

    Cheers.
  22. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Ok.... I am now officially scared of both of you.

    Hamsters??????
  23. Ian m from New York (via Vancouver), United States writes: Scott Loucks, you keep saying you are "not a Flyers fan" but gawd, this team has little right being in the semifinals and they exhibit pretty much all that sucks (very little mind you) about NHL hockey. This after the whistle cr*p is their bread and butter. Let's get these clowns gone and enjoy a great final.

    Richards is a real piece of work but a good player, despite him and Biron and Briere, this team is a bunch of hacks and the sooner this is finished the better.

    What I would love to see is laraque tear a strip off a few of these cheap shot artists.
  24. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Ian M;

    I am not a fan of any of the teams that are left. I am a Leaf fan.

    I bet on Philly prior to finding out that Timonen was out.... I bet on Detroit from the beginning.... although I also thought it would be a Detroit/San Jose conference final.

    Picked a Philly/Pens conference final though.

    If I was a kid and was picking one of the last four to be a fan of .... I would probably pick the Pens... but I'm not a kid and I'm a little sick and tired of all the hype about Crosby.

    He is a really good (Canadian) player. He plays with the heart of a lion. He is definitely a special player.

    But he is not the best player in the league... maybe not even the best Canadian player in the league. I doubt that he will captain the 2010 Olympic team... but I guarantee he will be on that team.

    Players that are older but better... and I have seen them play "live".... Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Iginla, Datsyk, Lecalvier.

    Sid the kid is only 20 years old... he is going to get even better. But the hype is awful.

    Cheers
  25. dan vanman from vancouver, Canada writes: I hear you Scot...and to a lesser degree I can agree that Crosby is overhyped. The NHL made the kid the face of the league, so some hyperbole is expected.

    But a lot of that is warranted. He has done things on the ice that I haven't seen since Gretzky.

    I do have to pick the Pens over the Wings though. I am willing to have a little cross country wager on that too, but I understand if you are overtaxed by all the money (and other things!) down on the Final out there.

    Let me know if you are intrigued...
  26. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Scot Loucks from Pickering:

    You need to accept the fact that Ian M from New York, United States is 100% correct on his assessment of players like Downie, Upshall, Hartnell as well as his assessment of the Philly team, in general...

    There should be no place on the roster for players like that on Team Canada 2010... It's time to put the actually talented Canadian kids out there...

    Cheers.
  27. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Most definitely intrigued dan vanman..... lol

    My email is first name underscore last name at hotmail.com

    If the pens beat the wings I deserve to be embarrassed cross country.

    Cheers
  28. Alex Dunnigan from Canada writes: Wow .. what a Penguins love-in. So many Phillie haters. Is there any objectivity in this thread?
  29. Bill Weston from Grand Rapids, MI, United States writes: Scot Loucks, on behalf of Red Wing fans everywhere, I sincerely hope you win these wagers. I understand that the details of the bets have been passed along to the Wings managment and coaching staff who will share them with the players (once they get by Dallas) as extra incentive for them against the Pens. Hopefully it will be that one extra key indredient that ensures the Cup returns to Michigan. Thank you for your faith in our team.
  30. Mike Expat from Dunboyne, Ireland writes: There's a lot of precious indignation about the Flyers here! Come on, post-whistle hand-bags aside, there's lots to admire: players like Briere, Biron, Richards, Lupal, and Umberger, and the grit and mental strength to stave off what everyone (even their fans! See their faces after Staal's 2nd goal?!) except them reckons is the inevitable. And I'm a Habs fan -- we had a good look at Philly in our own series. (Like Scot, I temporarily liked the Flyers in 74, jumping aboard in the hopes they'd punish the Rangers for eliminating Montreal). But some of you guys need to be a little more fair. If the Flyers were playing in the Western Conference, their style would provoke little comment. If they were chosen to play an exhibition against Russia you'd be buying orange tees. Hard to see it otherwise than Pens going to Finals. However, I for one would love the Flyers to steal on in Pittsburgh just to make it a little more interesting.
  31. There's a War between those who say there's a War and those who say there isn't from Canada writes: The last ten minutes were pretty exciting - Penguins showed what they can be like under pressure

    Philadelphia - wanted it more (or needed it more) and it showed.
  32. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Well I can see from last night's postings that there is growing interest in the Martel versus Loucks toe-to-toe slugfest that will begin officially once both the Pens and the Wings have removed the irritants standing between them and the Finals series. I was right in not placing the motherlode into the hands of Mariposa. Had I done so, she would have switched to the single malt for this series leaving only chips on the plate for the victorious wagerer at the end of the next series. Mr. Miller disdainfully disses Toronto cod but probably because he is unaware of the new irridescent species found only at the outflow pipes of the Pickering nuclear reactor - a truly phosphorescent glow as you eat treat. Mr. Loucks is already demonstrating lack of conviction in his choices for the Finals, explaining to Mariposa that the worst he can do is tie. Spoken like a true Leaf fan who never call ties overtime losses and there is no one point awarded in this case. Glad to hear from Mr. Weston that this wager has made its way to the Wings dressing room. That added pressure will make Osgoode perform sub par in the Finals and give my fledgling Pens a better chance of victory. Remember the Pens motto - "Until you spread your wings, you have no idea how far you can walk". Cheers
  33. P McLean from Canada writes: I have to wonder what Richards could do on another team. ie. one that doesn't have him playing in such a way that he hacks at the opposing centreman 4 times off the drop of the puck to try and start something(you have a serious imbalance problem if you think "both" players caused the skirmish.) Or thinking in such a way that when he misses his check he sticks his skate up in the guy's face to hold him back....Jeff Carter is the only guy on that team that I would want among the skaters(Biron is pretty good.) Richards is a waste of talent playing an idiot's game.
  34. Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada writes: Billings, Miller, and McLean - wouldn't, by chance, be Habs fans, would you?

    What is with all the ragging on Richards? Yeah, you must be right, poor little Sidney had nothing to do with that little skirmish...

    Richards is a quality player, just watch him play. He is a true leader.

    Have to agree with some of the above posters, the hype around Crosby nowadays is ridiculous. I heard a seagull sh@t on Crosby the other day....must have been a Flyers fan...no class! Easy to use the Flyers' style of play as a scapegoat when the Nova Scotia kid (Miller, thanks for a daily reminders of his province of origin...are you Crosby's overly proud aunt or something?) loses one.

    I'm no Flyers fan, but really, give them some credit where it's due.
  35. Mike Expat from Dunboyne, Ireland writes: Like I said, I'm a Habs fan, but I'm with you on this one Ryan. At the same time, re. hype: we can't blame the Kid for the fact that the league is riding his bus. His only interest is playing and winning. I was glad to see him tough it out with Richards.
  36. Pat Billings from CDN, Canada writes: Both Richards and Upshall (less so) are solid players. Still, it doesnt excuse the boorish behavior they displayed last night. Upshall took a cheap "Downie-esque" headhunting run at Stall with 5 seconds left. Then Richards, hacked the crap out of Crosby on the final faceoff until the kid had no choice but to stand up for himself. I don't know what Therien was thinking, I would have had Laraque and Ruutu on the ice to close that one out. Sadly, that's prototypical Flyers hockey and the refs allow it to happen. It's unbelievable that the Pens only got 2 PPs last night despite all the after-the-whistle scrums the Flyers initiated.

    I still stand by my statement that the only toughness these Flyers have is after the whistle and through cheapshots. Most of the time they get outplayed and outhit. Only when the play is whistled dead can they actually make physical contact with an opposing player. The other reason I can't stand this Flyers team...the constant whining about officiating. They're putting Pat Quinn's leafs team to shame with their level of whining.

    It will be good to see them lose to their biggest rival.
  37. P McLean from Canada writes: Ryan M, I'm not a Habs fan. Far from it. But I can tell you this: I hate the Red Wings more than any team, but their players have never done anything that would remotely make think about them what I think about the Flyers. If you want to call Richards a true leader, then I feel sorry for your warped view on things. He has the talent to be a quality player, no doubt. Whether he is following orders or not, only he and the coaches know, but more and more Richards shows himself to me to be just a little above a Steve Downie with more talent, or Sean Avery with just a notch below on the level of the antics. Give credit where it's due? Maybe to Martin Biron. All but two of Philly's penalties came when Penguins wnet o the box as well. In a game like this, they hang on for dear life to a 3-2 lead, when they've been killed in the first 3. The difference in the first 3 games? The Flyers, a team that commits penalties, were actually penalized for them. Forced to skate witht eh Pens, they didn't have a chance(although I will admit the call on Hatcher in game 2? was weak....but considering all the headshots that haven't been called.) I stand by what I said at the beginning of the series: The Flyers, playing their game, give the refs at least 30 opportunities a game to send them to the box. The less the refs blow the whistle, the better the Flyers' chances. If they actually have to play hockey, they have no chance, like the first 3 games showed.
  38. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada: Before this post, can you point out to me on this particular thread where I even mentioned that Crosby was from Nova Scotia? However, let's review some of the actual history of this fictitious entity known as "Crosby hype" that has become the theme of the latter part of this thread. All of a sudden, everyone in Canada realized that Lindros was not going to live up to his expectations as the "next one." Thus, Gretzky decides to say some unknown fifteen year old in Nova Scotia will be the future heir. Of course, that's Crosby's fault. At seventeen, Crosby scores from behind the net in an absolutely meaningless QJMHL game. Cherry has his typical taxpayer funded, national, temper tantrum and decides that Crosby is a "hot dog." Invites his pal, Brendan, to come on the air to share his views. That's Crosby's fault too. Further, nineteen year old Crosby wins the Hart trophy and the scoring title in his second year of play. Again, Crosby's fault. Anyways, those who talk about "Crosby hype" merely represent those Canadians who hate to see someone succeeding in their chosen field of endeavour. Glad that gullible people like you suck up the jingoistic antics of the Flyers and their faithful-- That's their goal, genius!
  39. Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada writes: Miller, none if it is Crosby's fault. The kid is incredibly talented, no question. It's not Crosby's fault that Cherry dislikes him (Cherry has a love/hate following in this country). None of what you pointed out is Crosby's fault...but any athlete with so much talent and promise will face such scrutiny from the media and fans alike. And people who talk about 'Crosby hype' are talking about exactly that, and do not necessarily represent 'those Canadians who hate to see someone succeeding in their chosen field of endeavour.' Don't pretend that it doesn't exist. But you're right, I must incredibly gullible to 'suck up' the antics of the Flyers and their faithful. Hilarious! I'm a Sens fan, go figure...excuse me, I jsut have to go order my Downie jersey online...just trying to call it like it is, folks! And please, you have mentioned several times that Crosby is a Nova Scotian...it just gets a bit tiresome. We get it. Not to slag the east at all....my father is from PEI and I have a lot of relatives 'down east'...fantastic people, friendly, and more welcoming than many other places you'll visit. Anyways, enjoy game 5, everyone! Should be a battle. I'm thinking the Pens take it...they came back nicely last night, I expect they'll show the same determination, especially in front of the home crowd.
  40. Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada writes: BTW Miller, loved your story about the Norwegian national team, sounds like it was a great time...good on them for having fun and giving back to fans who were there.
  41. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada:

    In the past, Cherry did the exact same thing to Gretzky that he currently does to Crosby because for the most part Canadians eat that kind of garbage up... The theatrics of the "blue collared" coach in the bad suit sticking it to the star plays to our basest instincts...

    Rather than celebrate the top players in the game, Cherry has his love in with the Shayne Corson and Darcy Tucker types of the league who we, "average joes" can better relate to.

    The perspective of the average Canadian hockey fan gets so warped that we start to be unable to even recognize who is talented and who is not...

    In three sets of Winter Olympic games since professional players were allowed to compete, Canada has only won once because we continue to refuse to send our most talented younger players.

    Team Canada 2010? Downie, Upshall, Hartnell, Avery???? Gimme a break!

    Cheers.
  42. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Ryan M from Ottawa, Canada:

    re. IIHF World Championship...

    It was great having Team Canada play here.

    However, the down side of that story is that my 8 year son wouldn't let me use the Easton Synergy composite stick that the player from Team Norway gave him for my game last night... :(

    Cheers.
  43. Frank Smith from Canada writes: R Miller ... you make some valid points ... but, with respect, you're wrong about the "fictitious entity known as "Crosby hype"... and making this into a case of 'you guys just hate successful players' is a intentional distraction that misses the point ... which is that all of the endless and very real hype naturally leads to people growing tired of the player. This was pointed out in a previous thread ... same goes for Tiger Woods, A-Rod, et al.

    As much as I'm not much a Cherry fan, his perspective does provide some balance in the debate ... a team is made up of all sorts of players, not just the superstars ... we need the "plumbers" too and, from time to time, let's give them both some credit ... and some exposure too!

    Sid will hoist the Cup someday and all Canadians will be happy for him.
  44. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Frank Smith from Canada:

    I absolutely agree that there needs to be a balance between the superstars and the plumbers.... The NYR are a perfect example of that. Before the salary cap came into existence, the Rangers were always the most expensive NHL team to repeatedly not make the playoffs because none of their stars would do the necessary grunt work.

    However, my real point is that Crosby did not author his own "hype" -- likely Tiger Woods doesn't do so either. These guys just play their game, and as a fan, I just choose to celebrate the players that are among the top of their game instead of applauding those who continually denigrate them...

    BTW I have been equally glowing of Malkin, Roberts, Fleury, Orpik in these threads for the last week or so.

    Cheers.
  45. Frank Smith from Canada writes: Fair enough ... yes, there's denigration but it's rooted in exhaustion from all the hype. Doesn't make it right I know.

    Agreed re: your comments on the other stars, not just Sid ... but, after his double slewfoot, my opinion of Malkin declined significantly in the Rangers series. Stevie Y would never have done that. There was so much hysteria when Avery did his silly dance ... but, for the most part, Malkin got a pass BECAUSE he's a star. A double standard?

    Gary Roberts can play on my team any day.
  46. Proud Canadian from Canada writes: Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: "If the pens beat the wings I deserve to be embarrassed cross country". Note that one posters, no matter what the price of gas, we all should make it to Loucks favourite bar and embarass him in front of his peers. The whole night. Then leave the poor guy there to defend himself. Would be a great laugh.. Scotty, ur burrying yourself in the mud, u may just eat your words.......... Cheers.
  47. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Gary Roberts can play on my team any day as well !

    Cheers.
  48. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: R. Miller; I guess I'm the one who started it as far as Crosby hype goes.. (1:23am).

    I should have said media hype.... and a great comparison is Tiger Woods.

    The only fault you can lay on either of those athletes are that they are very good at what they do..... but to listen to the broadcasters and the other media go on and on can be very tiresome.

    Anyway.... I meant no disrespect to Sid... he is a great player and is only going to get better.

    PC; LOL Claude.... The Fox goes Free... Kingston road in Pickering.
    Bring it on :)
    But as you should know by now.... I have no peers :)

    Cheers
  49. ERIC THOMAS from Broomall, Pa, United States writes: To all my friends in Canada, Flyers fan from Phila area calling. Wow it
    really bums me out with all the Flyers hating. We love our team and it's style of play. If they played for you, love would be in the air! We
    like spunky, hard nose hockey. It's not dirty. It's just gritty. The odds
    are against us and that's what we like. Remember Rocky! It's not over just yet. Let's not talk about Wings-Pens final so soon. Dismissive talk bred's determination!
  50. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Eric Thomas from Broomall, Pa, United States:

    Of course, there is good and bad everywhere, but as one G&M poster pointed out earlier this week, one's reputation tends to follow one around for life. Montreal fans are fickle.... Toronto fans are delusional.... Philly fans are jingoistic.

    There is really nothing gritty about breaking someone's ankle or breaking a goaltender's fingers with an after the whistle chop with a hockey stick. In fact, these are cowardly actions and yes, that is, in fact, dirty.

    Speaking of "determination," do you really think Crosby and co. would wish to return to Philly for Game 6 after the antics of Game #4?

    Cheers.

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