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Latest comment posted at 4:44 PM EDT 21/05/08

Democrat trounces Republican in landslide for this country's affections, poll suggests ...Read the full article

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  1. Fake Name from Canada writes: How very irrelevant...
  2. Towlar 3 from Toronto, Canada writes: This story illustrates, of course, why talk of Canada becoming a 51st state is silly. We would tilt American politics so consistently to small-L liberal, non-religious, and Democrat candidates that the Xstian conservative right can simply have no interest in annexing us.
  3. Joe Canada from Kingston, Canada writes: Alright, lets get it out of the way.

    Damn that scary Harper neo-con war mongering Canada hating bush puppet scary hidden agenda world hates us lock step foreign policy mindless con sheep.

    There. First 100 posts taken care of.
  4. bruce weaver from Canada writes: If only Canadians knew. To win Ohio and Pennsylvania Obama will be promising unions and the left everything including changing NAFTA, trade barriers, you name it. McCain will be far more friendly to Canada.
  5. Jason Brown from Canada writes: Who cares. We are Canadians and have no say in this.
  6. Dana Cruickshank from Canada writes: There is no question what president is better for Canada, that is McCain. There can be no arguing that. But Canada is obviously a more liberal country and the US, and more Canadians views are probably aligned with Obama, although I would argue that McCain is considerably more centrist than most republicans.

    Also, I hope no one brings in anything more about Harper, because I don't particularly see what he has to do with it. Maybe you disagree with him, but he isn't Bush, last time I checked he was a very educated man and a scholar which is more than anyone can say for Bush.
  7. Joe Canada from Kingston, Canada writes: Whatever allows Canada to have the best opportunities, Obama or McCain. Who cares what their political leanings are.

    Democrats have historically had very protectionist trade policies....Bush has trashed the conservative brand for the next 50 years and will most likely be the reason why future conservative governments around the world will struggle for years to come.
  8. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: Mr. Weaver, if they want to renegotiate NAFTA it would be a chance for us to get better terms, which even the Harper gov't said was possible due to our advantages in the energy sector for example. If McCain got in and started a war with Iran, it wouldn't help our economy and even if it did it wouldn't be worth it.
  9. Jennifer Rollison from Canada writes: What a ridiculous poll...what difference does it make? Not our election, not our problem...how innocuous and wasteful...
  10. Jeff S from Canada writes: I prefer McCain.
  11. Greg Out West from Canada writes: I say bring back the peanut farmer
  12. Tyler Williams from seattle, United States writes: Interesting.

    JD Wood from Toronto writes that support for Obama amongst Canadians is high in part because 'we Canadians are not racist'.

    Well, there are plenty of racists in every country on the planet, including in Canada.

    Some recent Globe and Mail news reports:

    'Two Ontario men charged with hate crime' - black skeleton hung with Confederate flag in Ontario town.

    'racist graffiti scrawled on the door of the Black Student Alliance at York University in Ontario read ''nigg-rs go back to Africa'' and on the washroom door, ''all nigg-rs must die,'' inciting enough fear and anger in students'

    'Toronto's Ryerson Student Union vice-president of education Heather Kere received an e-mail with the subject head ''KKK - White Power,'' brimming with racist remarks and brazenly signed by third-year student Justin Morris'

    'Asian fishers targeted by racism' - attacks against Asian anglers in Ontario 'were motivated by racism in Ontario's small towns'.

    'Saskatchewan aboriginal leader David Ahenakew awaits a second trial on charges of willfully promoting hatred with anti-Semitic remarks'
  13. Iain Scott from Canada writes: Joe Canada - As a Canadian I cannot support the ultra-union Democrats (Hillary's crowd) or the neo-fascist neo-con Republicans (Rush, Ann, and Cheney's crowd). The two parties do not correspond to Liberal/Conservative concepts in the Canadian sense, and since they have only two parties, the American public and media are guilty of binary reasoning. As for the 1st 100 posts you refer to, only the NDP is stupid enough to equate Harper with Bush.
  14. J M from Realityville, Canada writes: What we REALLY need is an intellectual, reasoned, open-minded, Liberal politician like Dion to deal with an intellectual, reasoned, open-minded, Democratic President like Obama and the solutions to trade issues will come and we'll all win. A disaster would be Harper and McCain playing war games and trashing Canadian/American trade. Although it can only get marginally worse than it is now, we WILL have the chance to move forward, elect progressive leaders, and leave this neocon nightmare behind for good.
  15. Watcher 1983 from Canada writes: JD Wood you are regurgitating Canadian values myths. If you are smart and have a serious health problem you go to the US for care immediately. You worry about battling with giant HMOs, well try battling with only one mother-of-all HMOs like we have in Canada. Health care is rationed and behind the times in all but a few hospitals in metropolitan cities. Thank goodness for Fox News.
  16. Mark S from Calgary, Canada writes: Just a quick one. The US always goes into a protectionist mode when their economy takes a hit. The last thing Canada needs is a Democrat in power when this happens.
  17. A Canadian from Cole Harbour, Canada writes: JD Wood from Toronto, Canada writes: Canadians are not subject to the same government propaganda (AKA FOX News) and as well we have better education and social services -- and ALAS -- our health care system did not turn is into communists but provided compassionate care to those who could not otherwise afford to battle with giant HMOs. Plus we are not racist or afraid of 'secret muslims'. So it is no wonder that we do not support Mccain.

    Often I make comments about the Liberal socialists believing they are morally superior to anyone who happen to disagree with their views. Well here is another prime example of this.
  18. Honesty is the best Policy from Canada writes:
    I see that the 1% of Canadian knuckle-daggers that thought Bush was the best ever all post here and support the reform party.

    Who knew?
  19. W R from Stratford, PE, Canada writes: When I hear Mr. Obama speak about Canada, NAFTA etc. I get chills. The man is so far out of his depth. He has no international experience. When he says that he would negotiate with Iran, the Taliban I'm reminded of the another naive politician who ruled Britian in 1938. Sure if he becomes president he will eventually learn but it will be a painful process for US, Canada and the world.
  20. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Great.... a has-been vs a never-was.

    Leader of the ever shrinking free world.

    How depressing.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord, no matter who he may be (or she, should Hillary manage to 'remove' all opposition).
  21. Bubbles McBubbles from Trawna, Canada writes: 'Only 4 per cent said he (Bush) was among the better ones, and less than 1 per cent called Mr. Bush the best ever.'

    And all of those post to the G&M boards.
  22. H Chu from Canada writes: What we and the world really needs is 4 more years of the same.....
  23. B W from Canada writes: Joe Canada, I already saw that same comment by you on another thread, and it is equally irrelevant in this one as it was in that one.

    This is kind of a ridiculous poll, however, I do think that international opinion of the potential US president more generally deserves some consideration since the US does have a high international profile.

    No doubt the opinions here are swayed by the biased reporting on Mr. Bush and McCain's association with him. But perhaps all this shows is that a higher percentage of Canadians watch Oprah :) I have not been fooled by Oprah and Obama - or at least i haven't been enlightened by them like some have.
  24. Mike G from Canada writes: I wonder how many of those polled realize that McCain is more friendly towards Canada than is Obama.
  25. Alberto Bayo from Canada writes: They'll both screw any nation to further U.S. interests.
  26. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: Jack Bauer, to call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people. Watcher 1983, you said 'if you are smart and have a serious health problem you go to the US for care immediately.' Didn't you leave out the most important qualification necessary, you know, the part about the contents of your wallet?
  27. H Chu from Canada writes:
    Late night comedy writers want a third term for Dubya.
  28. jack Bauer from Canada writes: Robb Scott, have you not heard, when one must resort to calling someone a Nazi thay have lost the arguement.......nice try though!
  29. edward prior from Montreal, Canada writes: Dana Cruickshank: you forgot also a control freak and anal-retentive; not the best traits for a Parliamentary democracy and a fundamental (no pun intended) reason why this country is rapidly sliding to a Star Chamber form of govt.
  30. jack Bauer from Canada writes: Paul Thompson we understand your liberal stance.....you have no money...you know the most important part of being a life long liberal is relying on a handout. Now run off to the food bank and get your dinner, don't forget your free needle at the clinic and you can get home in time for the CBC ...provided you made your payment on the TV.....
  31. The Neil-conservative from Lotus Land, Canada writes: Obama thinks Canada has a president. McCain has said that America must respect its trade relationship with Canada. McCain would be a good choice. Bush Jr showed that even Harvard and Yale combined can produce pathetic graduates.
  32. Rick C from Canada writes: What's funny is how many Canadians who deride Harper and the CPC for being too Conservative will say they support Obama.

    I guess they missed the memo that Obama's political platform is more right-wing than the CPC's.
  33. The Neil-conservative from Lotus Land, Canada writes: Rick C from Canada,

    So true, so true

    Obama opposes same-sex marriage, but supports civil unions
    Obama supports a health-care plan that would leave 45 million uninsured (according to Hillary)
    Obama has said he'd invade Pakistan if necessary (strangely enough, so did Stephane Dion)
    Obama is not a 'progressive' as he emphasizes his Christian faith to offset 'concerns' that he may be a Muslim
    Obama opposes gun control, but supports checks to ensure that minors don't get guns
    Obama's a staunch supporter of Israel

    Did I miss anything? Probably
  34. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: McCain will win.

    And Hillary will become Secretary of State.
  35. pete peters from Blairmore, Alberta, Canada writes: McCain will be a far better president for Canada's economy and security, not that the boneheads surveyed in this silly poll would know or care.

    Obama would deliver Jimmy Carter's second term, with all the associated incompetance, weakness, self-righteousness and delusional hot air. Hillary would probably just give us a third Bill term without the bimbos.
  36. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    Too funny - the only thing righties here in Canada can come up with is 'Who cares, we can't vote'.

    This simply confirms what we already know, Canada is, and will always be, a left-of-centre, progressive country.

    Canada will never be right-wing.
  37. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: The Neil-conservative from Lotus Land, Canada writes: 'Obama is not a 'progressive' as he emphasizes his Christian faith to offset 'concerns' that he may be a Muslim'

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    Huh? What do being 'progressive' and religion have to do with one another?
  38. Ladislav K from (currently living in) Jerusalem, Israel, Canada writes: This poll is a huge waste of money, especially considering that polls like this cost many thousands of dollars to perform.

    Secondly, it is ironic that Canadians prefer Obama over McCain even though McCain would be MUCH better for Canada. Since McCain is pro-free market and Obama has talked about 'renegotiating' NAFTA which could have a significant impact on American-Canadian trade, in the wrong direction for Canadians.

    As for the war in Iraq that most Canadians do not support. I will eat my hat if both men don't leave most of the troops there over the next few years.

  39. Job of the book from Canada writes: Apparently Canadians are also idiots that we think our opinion really matters to the U.S. when they're voting. 'oh, canada doesn't like the guy? well then I'm not voting for him either!' Seriously... come on.

    Also, I think the Canadians polled (I'd love to know the geographic diversity and education levels by the by) don't know much about American politics. Obama's policies are not particularly good for us. he kind of wants to screw with NAFTA to take away the few ways it works to our advantage (though what he plans to negotiate with is anyone's guess. I think he missed the memo that the U.S. is in a massive recession and has not negotiating capital just now. Which I think is indicative of his inexperience. Honestly, Hillary would have been the way to go). Also, his foreign policy is week and he just strikes me as not being particularly good for the U.S. Ya, Cheney and Bush were no good, but you can't lump all of the republicans in with them, as much as we'd all like to. I don't think McCain will be all that bad for the U.S. or us. No matter what the politics over there will always be more right wing than we've become accustomed to (which is funny since we used to consider them far more left wing than we were).

    Oh, by the by, Hillary wanted to bring the people a universal health care system. If I needed to know only one thing in order to lover her, that was it.
  40. H Chu from Canada writes:
    Maybe the CPC will start sending Stevie to Fabutan .
  41. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: Watcher 1983 from Canada writes: JD Wood you are regurgitating Canadian values myths. If you are smart and have a serious health problem you go to the US for care immediately. You worry about battling with giant HMOs, well try battling with only one mother-of-all HMOs like we have in Canada. Health care is rationed and behind the times in all but a few hospitals in metropolitan cities. Thank goodness for Fox News.

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    Say what you want - Canadian health care is still ranked by the WHO as being better than the American one. You know, that whole health-care-for-profit disaster that conservatives drool over.
  42. Prairie Boy from Canada writes: This explains a lot of things. The people that are the worst for the country get the most support? That explains why the L's can claim 30% of the electorate and there isn't even a party to speak of.

    Empty rhetoric, bad voting record, rewriting history, negotiate with the enemy...yep sounds like something to vote for. Oh throw in a racist spouse..that video is coming down the pike. This honkie supports McCain.
  43. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: I am amazed at the naive idealism of Canadians and Americans who have bought into the substanceless pitch of Barack, the snake oil salesman.

    Sell hope, sell change, sell negotiation and appeasement of one's enemies, sell a "different way of doing things", sell a new America and it seems like everyone is prepared to accept that this man has the power or sway to accomplish any of these things.

    He has a lot to learn and if he becomes president will undoubtedly be as effective in delivering on his promises as the Liberals under Chretien were in scrapping the GST & NAFTA.

    There's one born every minute, apparently all in Canada.
  44. edward prior from Montreal, Canada writes: Whether or not McCain would be a good or bad president is fairly beside the point. He is too old. And, being old myself, I don't say that lightly. I mean that the pressure and stress of the job are evident in any comparison of photos of any president over their term of office. It becomes a question of: does the US population gamble on having a good president for one or two (or maybe) 4 years? Or do they gamble on another Reagan: a president with altzheimers whose wife had to whisper answers in his ear? On the other, even if he wins the nomination, is the US electorate, in general, really going to vote for a black man? It will be an interesting contest.
  45. Rob Scott from Toronto, Canada writes: jack Bauer from Canada writes: Robb Scott, have you not heard, when one must resort to calling someone a Nazi thay have lost the arguement.......nice try though!

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    Pot = Kettle

    Don't like being called a Nazi? Well if the jackboot fits...

    Next time I'll call you a fairy if that's more to your taste.
  46. Let me tell You How It Effing Is from Seattle, Washington, United States writes: I never said Canadians were intelligent. Canadians favor a US politician who is protectionist and result in more Canadian job losses
  47. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: Rick C, while it may be true that Obama's platform is more right-wing than the CPC's-though I'm not necessarily conceding that point-it is arguable that the general tenor of it would constitute a vast improvement over Bush's record and McCain's endorsement of more of the same. Of course, the Americans don't care very much for what we or others think when it comes to their voting decisions, nor should they be expected to.
  48. Blaque Jacque Shallaque from Canada writes: Wow, the level of discourse here is reaching a new low, what with the fairies vs the Nazis.
  49. Joe Gopher from Canada writes: The Audacity Of Hype.....
  50. The Neil-conservative from Lotus Land, Canada writes: Comparing Canada's health care system to the U.S., Canada is 31st and the U.S. is 37th? We're behind former Soviet satellite states. I'm salivating at Alberta's health care reform, and Quebec's future plans to reform their health care system. We have the worst value-for-dollar health care system when compared to 23 European countries, and we spend more than the OECD average on health care despite the fact that public sector unions constantly complain about underfunded facilities.
  51. Wasabi Jones from Canada writes: Because Canadians, on the whole, are dumb-dumbs. They favour liberal style, identity politics and empty pie-in-the-sky rhetoric over substance, and then end up electing dolts like Pierre Trudeau who ruined the country for generations with his mandatory bilingualism policies, unsustainable multiculturalism policies and other social engineering tripe. I'm not surprised at all that they favour O'Bama. I'm just glad that they don't get to vote in US elections.
  52. Kevin McDougald from Winnipeg, Canada writes: No surprise here. Canadians have been polled on how they would vote in a U.S. election since at least 1992. The Democrats have always finished well out in front.

    The Neil-conservative writes: "Obama is not a 'progressive' as he emphasizes his Christian faith to offset 'concerns' that he may be a Muslim"

    There's something that's been nagging me about Obama's professed Christianity since his half-sister contradicted him on the question of their mother's faith. (He claims their mother was Christian. She claims their mother was something of an agnostic who encouraged her children to incorporate the best of all religions and theological viewpoints.)

    Could it be that Obama is a "nominal Christian", along the same lines of Ronald Reagan, who effectively courted Christian voters in spite of being indifferent to religion in his private life? Or that it's an effort not to counter rumours that he's Muslim, but rather to counter the more likely probability that's he's agnostic, humanist or an independent spiritualist who sees no need for a middleman?
  53. Big Cayman from Canada writes: *Tyler Williams from seattle, United States writes:* Tyler please put you remarks in the proper context: (For full text http://www.ryersonline.ca/articles/2479/1/Ryersons-rep-tarnished/Page1.html) "bizarre e-mail to members of the RSU and the campus press titled “KKK-White Power.” Justin Morris, the e-mail’s author, said the title was only meant to draw attention to his message, which protested the visit of Black Panther Muhammad Ahmad to Ryerson on Feb. 27. But RSU vice-president of education Heather Kere saw it as a “racist threat” and the United Black Students at Ryerson are angry over the e-mail. Saron Ghebressellassie, vice-president of UBSR, said Morris’s e-mail is both hurtful and racist. “We take it very seriously,” she said, explaining that the mention of the Ku Klux Klan conjures up “horrific memories” of violence against blacks that took place only one generation ago. Kere is in the process of filing a complaint with the police and has already spoken with the school’s administration. “It speaks of a larger environment at Ryerson where someone can feel comfortable saying these things,” she said. The UBSR sought public apologies from Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory and Prime Minster Stephen Harper after learning that Morris was a member of the Ryerson Conservative Club." As mentioned before please read the rest of the article if you are interested, maybe what this thread and article demonstrates is that you will find more racism or bigotry in Conservative circles than Liberal (in the case of the Canadian context). While I can't know exactly what JDWood actually meant by his post, I gather he believes that the US is more racist, whether or not this is true, neither one of these deductions is anything new. Whether you like Obama or McCain there certainly is no confusing the two, it makes for very interesting discussion on both sides of the border, so why not discuss it.
  54. Paul Thompson from Canada writes: Blaque Jacque Shellaque writes: "Wow, the level of discourse on here has reached a new low, what with the fairies vs. the Nazis." You aren't helping much, Jacque.
  55. Martin Reid from Hamilton, Canada writes: (Obama) would not have no problem (sic) come come G&M where is your grammar
  56. Martha K from Canada writes: I'm not sure how the Canadian Press came up with these numbers and I'm not a statistician but this article would have been better presented if they showed the true nature of the Harris Decima poll. I went straight to the HD website and found this statement as part of their own press release:
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    "A plurality (39%) hope Barack Obama becomes the next US President, followed by 30% who prefer Hillary Clinton, and 8% John McCain. The rest offered no opinion."
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    To me, that sounds like just under 40% of Canadians hopes he becomes the next president, not 56%. Hillary Clinton comes a close second with 30%. How does this article extrapolate to 56% for Senator Obama?
  57. JD Wood from Toronto, Canada writes: Kevin McDougald, you are trying to stir the pot by suggesting that Obama might be an elitist secret muslim. Let us just imagine that he were -- why would that be such a problem? So what if he incorporated the best values etc. from all faiths... wouldn't that be a good thing? Why does he have to be a christian? I can only pray that he does not hold some sort of anti-science anti-rationalist anti-enlightenment view of reality like John McCain.
  58. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Quite an "interesting" (??) thread.

    Of course George Bush will go down as the worst President of the USA. One just has to try and list his accomplishments both on the national and international arenas and the answers are quite clear. ZERO!

    Pre 9/11, he had already been deemed a "vacation" President with limited intellect. History will also treat Jean Chretien the same way when one googles "Accomplishments!"

    Perhaps in some indirect, unconscious way, this poll of Obama preference is more of a certain "Hope and Change" that he projects--something that maybe we Canadians are also looking for in a Party/ Leader as DR.Savoie clearly stated yesterday.

    Our present Party leaders leave so much to be desired-dull, boring, no progressive thought, pandering to core or special interest groups, no vision, no solutions or ideas concerning core issues...

    Was the poll a waste of money? Of course it was, if we just look at the superficial, yet perhaps a wake-up call to our own politicians about what we Canadians are looking for;

    Change-True transparency-Vision Hope vs. Same old and war mongering!
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  59. an astute commenter from Canada writes: R. Carriere, George W. Bush won't go down as the worst President in history - Jimmy Carter beat him to that honour.
  60. J.C. Davies from Canada writes:
    Canadians support the US candidate who would close the border to Canadian goods. Another example of the lack of political maturity of Canadians.
  61. an astute commenter from Canada writes: JD Wood, you ask why that would be a problem. Instead, why not ask the 2900 people who died on September 11, 2001 what their opinion of that would be?
  62. jack Bauer from Canada writes: Come on Rob Scott, I never really said being called names bothered me, I just wanted to remind you it does not fit well with the liberal value system you profess to have and yes also to once again inform you that I have won, really now I grow tired of you....little boring Rob...nighty night
  63. John Smith from Ottawa, Canada writes: an astute commenter from Canada writes: R. Carriere, George W. Bush won't go down as the worst President in history - Jimmy Carter beat him to that honour.

    No, there are others. Franklin Pierce. Andrew Johnson. Warren G. Harding certainly contends for the worst. And George W. Bush is generally looked upon as a disaster far worse than Carter. A new generation of historians think that Woodrow Wilson deserves the honour of worst. But Carter as worst? Give me a break.
  64. Honesty is the best Policy from Canada writes:
    J.C. Davies from Canada writes:
    Canadians support the US candidate who would close the border to Canadian goods. Another example of the lack of political maturity of Canadians
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    Homeland Security (under W) has already brought the border to a standstill.
  65. Kevin McDougald from Winnipeg, Canada writes: JD Wood writes: "Kevin McDougald, you are trying to stir the pot by suggesting that Obama might be an elitist secret muslim."

    No. I'm suggesting that, based on past history, there's a good possibility that there might be a difference between the "public Obama" and the "private Obama" in these matters, and that people should avoid taking candidates for high office at face value. (They still do anyway; the ultimate triumph of hope over experience.)

    (My suspicion is that the private Obama is probably not very religious at all, but is also intelligent enough to know that to be non-religious publicly could easily cut five or ten points off his vote share. The same could just as easily be true of John McCain.)

    "Let us just imagine that he were -- why would that be such a problem?"

    No problem at all. Much ado about nothing.

    "So what if he incorporated the best values etc. from all faiths... wouldn't that be a good thing?"

    As a good agnostic myself, I think his mother imparted a very healthy attitude to her children by encouraging them to learn rather than to believe. I wish more parents did the same.

    "Why does he have to be a christian?"

    He doesn't have to be. But I expect that he (and Sens. McCain and Clinton, not to mention some previous presidents and presidential candidates) see some political value in being "public Christians" in the U.S.
  66. Dick Nails from Canada writes: I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    Too funny - the only thing righties here in Canada can come up with is 'Who cares, we can't vote'.

    This simply confirms what we already know, Canada is, and will always be, a left-of-centre, progressive country.

    Canada will never be right-wing.

    >> Sure, sure. Our president, as you would call him, is the devil incarnate and only slightly better than bush43. So that would make him a, as you would call it, rightard. So goes the PM so goes the country. We chose Harper over the loser so that logically makes Canader right wing.

    Cue the foaming nutbar responses.....
  67. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: "the survey suggests he would not have no problem with them in Canada."

    Even in the Globe & Mail, we have to suffer the double negatives ?
  68. Dick Nails from Canada writes: I don't think...
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    Say what you want - Canadian health care is still ranked by the WHO as being better than the American one. You know, that whole health-care-for-profit disaster that conservatives drool over.

    >> Oh, as long as Canader is better than the evil Americans in one thing. 30th place for health care and 2nd in hockey. The US is 37th. Damn, we are soooooooo much better than the evil US of A.
  69. E. Biggs from Canada writes: That is because we are stupid and work strictly on emotion.
  70. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    an astute commenter from Canada writes: R. Carriere, George W. Bush won't go down as the worst President in history - Jimmy Carter beat him to that honour.

    John Smith from Ottawa writes, No, there are others. Franklin Pierce. Andrew Johnson. Warren G. Harding certainly contends for the worst. And George W. Bush is generally looked upon as a disaster far worse than Carter. A new generation of historians think that Woodrow Wilson deserves the honour of worst. But Carter as worst? Give me a break.

    Evening Astute: Perhaps beauty or ugliness is in the eye of the beholder.

    John Smith from Ottawa,: Evening JS

    Others may say and agree with JS that it was Woodrow Wilson who allowed the Federal Reserve Bank (privately held by the Rothschilds-Rockefellers-Carnegies...) to allow the private sector people( even today) to control the federal purse strings, lending rates, and money of the USA back in 1918(?)

    The Federal Reserve Bank IS NOT controlled or owned or a government arms length institution of the US federal government! It is a PRIVATE Institution where supposedly the president OK's the Chair-(joke)
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  71. l m from Canada writes: The stupidity of Canadians never fails to amaze. Nor does their hypocrisy. Sorry, but Canadians would never, ever vote for a half-breed whose primary mentor is a race-baiting fool. A fool who, at the very least, sympathizes with a black theology which teaches that the white race is the creation of an evil angel some 35,000 years ago. And let's not even start on Obama's racist wife who openly despises both her country and white people. They're free to believe what they want but don't tell me that this guy is going to be a reconciler and don't hand me the BS that Canadians would vote for him if he were running in our country. Wouldn't happen.
  72. CD W from Canada writes: These would be the same canadians who lobbied to own guns in florida, but wont let other canadians own guns in ontario. Charming.
  73. Denny Martin from great white north, Canada writes: Dana Cruickshank from Canada writes: Also, I hope no one brings in anything more about Harper, because I don't particularly see what he has to do with it. Maybe you disagree with him, but he isn't Bush, last time I checked he was a very educated man and a scholar which is more than anyone can say for Bush.

    Huh? "very educated and a scholar"? Are you kidding? By what standards?
  74. J R from Vancouver, Canada writes: JD Wood, you seem to have as distorted or dishonest view of Canada as Michael Moore's. Canada has plenty of racism problems. Althought we do not get Fox News on regular cable, we also do not have an ACLU or an NAACP to raise hell about what is wrong in Canada. All sorts of hideous crimes can be, and are, easily swept under the carpet in Canada. As for Canadian "education", I am not too sure if it is superior. I find the Americans I know usually far better travelled and more educated that the Canadians I know. I also find American politicians far more informed about the issues, and more eloquent when speaking about their positions. We get Seattle's KCTS PBS in Vancouver. CSPAN is also a good source for it, though it has not been approved ordinary Canadians.
  75. Kat Wilson from Canada writes: that 1 per cent who love Bush? No teeth, lolling tongues, crazed eyeballs, low productivity. This poll makes me feel better about Canadians...we're largely not dumbasses.
  76. David Lorne from Canada writes: Well, Mr. Bush is not on the November ballot. That said, Mr. McCain is considered by many to be a liberal candidate, so one way or another it will be a Democrat that's elected. Hopefully it will not be Obama.
  77. Kat Wilson from Canada writes: btw, people who raise Canadian health care as a symbol of what's wrong with Canada would do well to remember that public health care is tanking it's because governments are doing their dayumdest to privatize it. Reducing transfer payments, cutting budgets is the reason it's doing so poorly. Us older folks remember how great it was before the liberals and conservatives started us on the two-tier path.
  78. Kat Wilson from Canada writes: David Lorne, what are you smoking? McCain has embraced Bush and is promoting every single policy he holds from corporate tax breaks to prolonging the war in Iraq to nuking Iran. He's now on a roll about Cuba...that would take us back to the cold war. McCain is not a liberal, he's a neoconservative. Try and be honest, ok?
  79. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    l m from Canada writes: You sound frustrated and very mad at something. Everything alright?

    You write, " Sorry, but Canadians would never, ever vote for a half-breed whose primary mentor is a race-baiting fool."

    "Half breed?" Are we talking about dogs, or human beings here? My mom was English-my dad was French-Do you consider me a "Half breed?" A decrepit human because I am a "half breed?" Maybe you do-that is your "Right!"..I think

    Perhaps a skin colour is important for you, yet why do all "white" people hang out in the sun and want a "tan?" To look like a "Half Breed?"

    You write, " And let's not even start on Obama's racist wife who openly despises both her country and white people."

    Hmmm... I have followed this race closely and perhaps have missed Michele Obama's " despises both her country and white people."

    I have Googled it and come up empty. Can I ask you a favour and point me to a site/article that shows where Mrs. Obama hates her country and white people?

    Or are you just pulling our legs to get some responses? There is a name for that....
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  80. Dave T from midwest, Canada writes: John Smith: You have singled out Franklin Pierce, Warren Harding, and Andrew Johnson as contenders for the worst President in US history. Based on what?
  81. JD Wood from Toronto, Canada writes: an astute commenter from Canada writes: JD Wood, you ask why that would be a problem. Instead, why not ask the 2900 people who died on September 11, 2001 what their opinion of that would be?

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    Obviously some people think that certain lives are worth much more than others. We could also ask the more than 1,000,000 dead Iraqis who had nothing to do with Sept. 11, including, by the way, Saddam Hussein. This does not even include the illegal Afghanistan war. Such a shock that in this day and age people think that an American life is worth more than any other life by a ratio of about 1:350... if anything it is the reverse due to the fact that Americans exploit the environment much more heavily than anyone else.
  82. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: l m from Canada writes: "The stupidity of Canadians never fails to amaze. Nor does their hypocrisy. Sorry, but Canadians would never, ever vote for a half-breed...."

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    A half-breed? Well there's no need to read the rest of your nonsense, that's all we need to read to know where you stand.

    Let me guess, you still carry your Reform party membership with you, right?
  83. David Lorne from Canada writes: Kat Wilson, I smoke nothing. McCain is a liberal Republican according to many Republicans.
  84. Dave T from midwest, Canada writes: I am wondering if people like Obama because they see the kind of potential that comes along once every twenty years or so.
  85. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: J R from Vancouver, Canada writes: JD Wood, you seem to have as distorted or dishonest view of Canada as Michael Moore's. Canada has plenty of racism problems.

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    Yup - most of it from Alberta or rural places. Either way it's a vast minority.
  86. Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: Kat Wilson from Canada writes: David Lorne, what are you smoking? McCain has embraced Bush and is promoting every single policy he holds from corporate tax breaks to prolonging the war in Iraq to nuking Iran. He's now on a roll about Cuba...that would take us back to the cold war. McCain is not a liberal, he's a neoconservative. Try and be honest, ok? ---------- LOL. America has one of the highest rates of corporate taxes in the industrialized world. Only Japan has higher corporate taxes in the OECD. Hint: that means our corporate tax rate is LESS than in America. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_232/ai_n24963603/pg_1 As for prolonging the war in Iraq, do you mean like winning it after spending oodles and so many lost lives? Are you saying Obama plans on cutting it short and letting Iraq slide into total anarchy, ruled by Iran? On a roll about Cuba? McCain merely called Obama on talking to a communist tyrant. And, last time I checked, that gives McCain the Florida vote. Oh, and Obama just back-tracked on talking to tyrants and terrorist-supporting nations. They call that a flip-flop. Anyhow, Clinton today just said that she is going to take the fight to the Convention. BWAHAHA. Recreate 68! http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/clinton-willing.html
  87. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Dave T from midwest, Canada

    Evening Dave T (good guy-did you happen to see my Jerry jones Dallas Cowboy new stadium response?)

    He also mentioned Wilson, to which you did not reply, but I cautiously did? Any thoughts about Wilson?
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  88. Kat Wilson from Canada writes: David Lorne, um, those Republicans are so out there in wingnutland, they may as well be on another planet. They also have zero chance of ever being electable again in the foreseeable future, after the crime, corruption, and treason of the Bush administration. If you support those folks I well and truly feel sorry for you (see my comment about the 1%).
  89. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    David Lorne from Canada writes: Kat Wilson, I smoke nothing. McCain is a liberal Republican according to many Republicans.

    Evening David; You are exactly correct! McCain is a right-leaning centrist! He has a lot of heat on him to choose a right wing VP such as Romney or even Huckabee. If he even comes close to choosing a centrist like himself, the right and strong wing of the party will stay home....and give the Oval Office to a Democrat with a landslide! Watch his choice-or perhaps others to move his Presidential "perception" to the "right!"
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  90. Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: . Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: You write, " And let's not even start on Obama's racist wife who openly despises both her country and white people."

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    The rumour on the right (and confirmed by insiders) is that the Republican Party (and the Hillary camp) has a videotape of Michelle (not Barack) sitting in on one of Rev. Wright's anti-"whitey" rants and nodding in approval. Apparently, this is why Hillary is sticking in the race until the Convention.

    BWAHAHAHAHA.

    But, in the interim, you'll just have to do with this quick google "Michelle Obama" and "proud of America".

    HAHAHAHA

    First Lady material!
  91. Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    David Lorne from Canada writes: Kat Wilson, I smoke nothing. McCain is a liberal Republican according to many Republicans.

    Evening David; You are exactly correct! McCain is a right-leaning centrist! He has a lot of heat on him to choose a right wing VP such as Romney or even Huckabee. If he even comes close to choosing a centrist like himself, the right and strong wing of the party will stay home....and give the Oval Office to a Democrat with a landslide! Watch his choice-or perhaps others to move his Presidential "perception" to the "right!"

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    Lumping all conservatives together is a bit disingenuous. Romney is a fiscal conservative; Huckabee a social conservative. Big difference.
  92. bob saunders from Belleville, ON, Canada writes: don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes:
    Huh? What do being 'progressive' and religion have to do with one another-------------------------- you are correct the two words should not be spoken in the same sentence.
    We will have to deal with whatever person the Americans vote in and Mr Harper being pragmatic and intelligent will deal with that person better than Dion.
  93. Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada writes: This article reinforces the fact Canadians remain the most ill-informed people on the planet. So dumb are the masses in Canada they are to lazy to even review the policies of the US political candidates. They rely on the CBC and the Toronto Star to help them form their respective opinions. They have been spoon fed by the State for generations and have lived in an unrealistic bubble. Obama and Clinton have spent the last six months out bidding each other with unrealistic policies. Either one of them if elected will be lucky to survive one term in Office. The terrorists are sitting back just waiting to pounce.
  94. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: . Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: You write, " And let's not even start on Obama's racist wife who openly despises both her country and white people."

    Hans: First, I was quoting another poster-those are NOT my thoughts!

    Second: Have you a link for that? have you ever actually listened to Wright in his entirety vs the "sound bites" and cheap interpretations of the MSM.

    Look, the man has a mission-but paint him the way you want ONLY WHEN you listen to the totality of his messages-Then if you are confused-call him for clarification- He may just pick up the phone....or call back.....Deal?
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  95. Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada writes: This article reinforces the fact Canadians remain the most ill-informed people on the planet. So dumb are the masses in Canada they are to lazy to even review the policies of the US political candidates. They rely on the CBC and the Toronto Star to help them form their respective opinions. They have been spoon fed by the State for generations and have lived in an unrealistic bubble. Obama and Clinton have spent the last six months out bidding each other with unrealistic policies. Either one of them if elected will be lucky to survive one term in Office. The terrorists are sitting back just waiting to pounce.

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    Well, if I were a member of Hamas, Hezbollah or AQ, I would choose Obama. Actually, the head of Hamas already endorsed Obama, if you can fathom that. I'd be a bit concerned about Hillary and McCain though.
  96. Hans Ulster from From the Canadian Oilsands, Canada writes: R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes: I have seen the sermon videos, and they are appalling. What is more appalling is that Obama would lie and say he had no idea what the good Rev was mouthing off from the pulpit. The church publication (The Trumpet) makes for VERY interesting reading too.
  97. Dick Nails from Canada writes: bush43's boys called Chretien 'dino'. An anagram of 'dino' is ...

    And 'I don't think' (obviously, you show it in every post): you are a bigot. "Yup - most of it from Alberta or rural places. Either way it's a vast minority. " You are in the majority then.

    And Kat, after Nixon the (R)'s were thought to be dead. Twernt so. Don't count on Obamalama winning. I don't care either way, I can't vote but I am just saying.
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