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U.S. military rejects Khadr's illness claim

OMAR EL AKKAD

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Latest comment posted at 1:31 PM EDT 18/06/08

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  1. Robert Boyd from windsor, Canada writes: Tut-tut.No job for you at the CBC.
    That 'puke' is their current poster child.
  2. kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Because he is Canadian. Being Canadian doesn't seem to mean anything to some people.
  3. Sev Scott from Calgaristan, Canada writes: Wow, we get to comment on this criminal. Good work Globe. He is another convenient 'Canadian'. We should be spending our money on those in this country that require our assistance (a hand up , not a hand out). Many have learned that when you leave this country, and get in trouble, 'you takes yer chances'.
  4. Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: kathleen Edmonds from Halifax: 'Being Canadian doesn't seem to mean anything to some people.'

    Indeed. Take the Khadrs for example....
  5. Dr Demento from Canada writes: Jan Burton; apparently Khadr has ended his relationship with his family, so I wouldn't use their behaviour as an excuse to wish him ill. From all accounts he was simply a 15-year-old in the wrong place at the wrong time . . .
  6. Sam Patel from Vancouver, Canada writes: The details leaked so far sow that the case against Khadr is very weak. It is very possible that he is not guilty of the crime he was charged with: killing an US soldier during a battle. There seems to be little proof that he was an armed combatant at the time. Even if he fired or threw a grenade, I was not aware that soldiers on opposite sides of a battle could be tried for anything other than war crimes. The mere act of killing an opposing soldier does not seem like a war crime to me. He himself was shot several times and wounded by shrapnel. If Khadr was American instead of Canadian he would most definitely be guilty of treason. But he is not.

    As a non-big shot terrorist planner or guy with intel, one wonders why the USA is wasting money trying him, especially given the weakness of the case? I assume it is political, and motivated by a desire to appease the dead soldier's widow.
  7. Gopal Bhattacharyya from Toronto, ON, Canada writes: Our law says you are innocent unless proven otherwise. To-day the US is running a system of justice which thier own supreme court is questioning. Mr. Harper has the power to pass a bill which can take away the citizenship from anyone who is suspected of terrorism. Our PM is trying hard to wash his hands off. He is expecting the flawed justice system of the US will take care of his problem. You can not have two systems, one by the government to decide and other the court of justice to follow. Our penal code can be changed to indicate that your are guilty unless proven otherwise. It may be a good way for Mr. Harper to arrange a defeat in the commons.
  8. A Guy In TO from Toronto, Canada writes: Comparing Khadr's situation to that of the Jews in Germany under Hitler is simply pathetic and idiotic. This hate-filled family has denounced Canada and all Canadians - They wish us all dead. Anyone in that family would gladly pull the trigger to murder any innocent Canadian, in war or out of it. This guy deserves to rot in the hell he has created for himself. The only good thing this Harper government has ever done is to ensure there won't be a 'Welcome Back Khadr' sign waiting for him whenever he manages to slither back to our country - not his!
  9. Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: William Doyle: 'A little history lesson to you: Hitler at first picked on Jewish residents of Germany....'

    Goodwin's law. You lose.

    Khadrs are the new Jews of WWII, huh? What sickening suggestion.

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    Proud Bin Arab from Vancouver: 'Jan Burton, you sound like a bitter indvidual.'

    Yes I can't help but feel a tad bitter over the fact that we allow people into this country who openly hate us. If you weren't so spaced out on political correctness you'd be upset too.
  10. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Proud Bin Arab - You may be surprised to learn that there are more Canadians who support Jan Burton's position than your own.

    I would think that being Canadian involves wanting to live in this country under its laws as they are and being prepared to defend its ideals. None of the Khadr family members have any such desire, and poor poor pitiful Omar was as anti western values as any of them until it became convenient to his current circumstances to denounce his family.

    I don't want people like this to be given the rights and privileges of citizenship in my country. My ancestors died defending this country and its ideals and we let in people who would see these ideals cast aside in favour of a re-creation of their own countries here.

    Let them stay where they are, and let Omar Khadr rot in jail - an American jail - because it would irritate me to know my tax dollars are supporting this anti-Canadian in a Canadian prison.
  11. William Doyle from Prince George, Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: William Doyle: 'A little history lesson to you: Hitler at first picked on Jewish residents of Germany....'

    Goodwin's law. You lose.

    Khadrs are the new Jews of WWII, huh? What sickening suggestion.....................I am ONLY suggesting that ALL people should be treated the same. In Germany Hitler said Jewish people were non citizens and had no rights. Today you Jan Burton are suggesting that Mr Khadr should not be treated to a fair trial and that he has no rights because you despise his family. Have a good long look in the mirror Ms Burton!!!
  12. The Wight from Canada writes: A Guy in TO:

    'This hate-filled family has denounced Canada and all Canadians - They wish us all dead.'

    Yes, his FAMILY has, but last time I checked, we aren't held responsible for someone else's ignorance, even close family members. Thank goodness or my younger brother's antics would have had me in jail.

    Do you remember what it was like to be 15?

    He grew up in Canada and was moved by his father to Afghanistan as a 13 year old, so as a young adolescent, he was moved from a country of relative affluence to one of the poorest on the globe. How happy do you think a 13 year old was at this move? Yes, he COULD be a brain-washed terrorist child soldier, but given that he attended Canadian schools for 8 years and sat side by side with kids of all stripes, what are the odds that he's just some normal kid who got caught up in events bigger than he is? Pretty good, I would say.

    At the bare minimum, there are enough questions that he warrants a fair trial.
  13. William Doyle from Prince George, Canada writes: Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Proud Bin Arab - You may be surprised to learn that there are more Canadians who support Jan Burton's position than your own.

    I would think that being Canadian involves wanting to live in this country under its laws as they are and being prepared to defend its ideals. None of the Khadr family members have any such desire, and poor poor pitiful Omar was as anti western values as any of them until it became convenient to his current circumstances to denounce his family.

    I don't want people like this to be given the rights and privileges of citizenship in my country. My ancestors died defending this country and its ideals and we let in people who would see these ideals cast aside in favour of a re-creation of their own countries here.

    Let them stay where they are, and let Omar Khadr rot in jail - an American jail - because it would irritate me to know my tax dollars are supporting this anti-Canadian in a Canadian prison.

    Mr Loblaw, all that I am asking is that Mr Khadr should have a fair trial. Did Canadians not fight and die in overseas wars that ALL could be free and have a free trial and have rights and privileges. If Mr Khadr had a free trial ( where evidence received under torture was not used against him) I have no trouble with that.
  14. Naomi Jackson from BC from Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: kathleen Edmonds from Halifax: 'Being Canadian doesn't seem to mean anything to some people.'

    Jan Burton says: 'Indeed. Take the Khadrs for example'

    You are most certainly the example I am referring to.

    .. The fact is Khadr is Canadian and a child. Some are so filled with hate that they have lost touch with what being Canadian really is.
  15. Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: William Doyle:

    'I am ONLY suggesting that ALL people should be treated the same.'

    But all people are NOT the same, William. Don't try to tell me that a peaceful family who immigrates here to give their kids a better life, and cherishes every minute in this country, is somehow the same as a pack of jihadi dogs like the Khadrs.

    They are NOT THE SAME and we should stop pretending that they are.
  16. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jan Burton:

    So you are saying that even though he is Canadian, he is not the same as Canadians? Paradox????
  17. Fred Forest from London, Ontario, Canada writes: If being in the wrong place at the wrong time is like being in a bank that's being robbed while you're wearing a balaclava and carrying a gun and yelling at the teller to give you the money.. then yeah.. I guess he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  18. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jan Burton:

    Are you being Canadian?
  19. Daniel Cunningham from Victoria, BC, writes: Well then its a good thing you are neither an immigration judge or a criminal judge for that matter eh Jan Burton. However vile Khadr's family happens to be, they are Canadian citizens and as such entitled to due process under our laws. The same goes for Omar.
  20. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    Nice way to start a trial... lie. Seems like either Khadr, or his counsel, is being less than honest already.
  21. 100% Conservative from Victoria BC, Canada writes: The moment Khadr went to Pakistan and Afghanistan supplied weapons (as he stated on record) to The Taliban\Al Qaeda, then joined the fight ... he abrogated all rights to any claim outside of that which we automatically due for Canadians elsewhere. He deserves no special treatment and certainly should not under any circumstance be bought back here to be either incarcerated or god forbid a trial. There is no question of guilt as he was plucked off a battlefied for crying out loud. Who cares whether he threw a grenade or even hid under a rock he was there plain and simple, he was into obtaining weapons for them by his own words.
  22. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville:

    ... Did shoulda, coulda, woulda, ever help you to stop or start anything? A wise fellow told me once: 'don't give advice unless asked.'

    And I suppose the fact that he IS Canadian doesn't mean anything to you either?
  23. John Fedup from Canada writes: Daniel Cunningham from Victoria, BC....sorry Daniel, I forgot to add your name to the cave invitation. You certainly will fit in.
  24. Mister G. from Halifax, Canada writes: Proud Bin Arab from Vancouver, Canada writes: Jan Burton, you sound like a bitter indvidual. My advise to you to immigrate to be among your own kind to either The US or DownUnder. You comments make me ashamed to know you are a CANADIAN. Focus your anger on something constructive.--------------------------------------------------

    Wow how constructive of you.
    Typical bleeding hearth lefty.
  25. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel - When you researched your family tree what did you find out about your uncle Joseph Stalin and illegitimate Fuerher father?

    Are you proud of your roots Frau?

    Is Woodville near Nuremburg?

    Do your friends put on their white hoods in the barn or in their pickup trucks before the cross is torched?
  26. John Fedup from Canada writes: jodi chartreuse from Windsor...ok, you can go to the cave to. It is bad enough that the rest of his vermin family is in Canada. He can rot in Cuba at the U.S's expense.
  27. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: jodi chartreuse - then perhaps Khadrs country of origin will see fit to rescue him from Gitmo.

    Where are they from anyway? Algeria? Sudan? Pakistan? Syria?

    He'd do much better sitting in one of their jails, except that on arrival back home they'd make him president for killing an American.

    No wonder they call us useful idiots.
  28. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Mister G. from Halifax, Canada: 'bleeding hearth lefty'

    ... The appropriate terms would be morals and social conscience.
  29. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: 'Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel - When you researched your family tree what did you find out about your uncle Joseph Stalin and illegitimate Fuerher father? '

    NO, I found honest, hardworking, progressive and successful men and women who did a lot of good works and HAD NO TIME FOR CARRYING HEAVY CHIPS ON THEIR SHOULDERS ALWAYS TRYING TO GAIN SYMPATHY FOR THE SAKE OF IMPROVING THEIR INDUSTRY's WEALTH.
  30. John Fedup from Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Mister G. from Halifax, Canada: 'bleeding hearth lefty'

    ... The appropriate terms would be morals and social conscience.

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    Just like your Taliban buddies Kathleen.
  31. Mister G. from Halifax, Canada writes: The way that the US is treating this child combatant is an outrage. They should have killed him when they had a chance but now that they got him, he should be afforded every rights a Canadian is entitled to when committing crimes against another country. A fair and timely trial.
    The US would expect nothing less of us.
  32. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: John Fedup:

    ... It appears that we have the Taliban right here on this post, now don't we? No doubt you'd lead.
  33. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel - 'Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel - When you researched your family tree what did you find out about your uncle Joseph Stalin and illegitimate Fuerher father? '

    NO, I found honest, hardworking, progressive and successful men and women who did a lot of good works and HAD NO TIME FOR CARRYING HEAVY CHIPS ON THEIR SHOULDERS ALWAYS TRYING TO GAIN SYMPATHY FOR THE SAKE OF IMPROVING THEIR INDUSTRY's WEALTH.

    All the while singing 'Deutschland Uber Alles'.

    Did they join the Wehrmacht or the SS?
  34. John Fedup from Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax ....get back in the cave pinko.
  35. Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville, Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville:
    ... Did shoulda, coulda, woulda, ever help you to stop or start anything? A wise fellow told me once: 'don't give advice unless asked.'
    And I suppose the fact that he IS Canadian doesn't mean anything to you either?'

    Oh, I think being a Canadian is a valid reason why Harper should do something for this 'child soldier' who has already been imprisoned and tortured for 6 years. BUT I ALSO DO NOT THINK THAT because he has Muslim relatives he should be treated differently. I have a lot of Jewish friends who are ashamed of some of their relatives. We cannot be blamed for what all our relatives decide to do in life.

    And you are giving advice also??????
  36. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: John Fedup says: pinko ????

    ... That explains the low IQ folks.
  37. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel from Woodville:

    ... Sorry about that, I was addressing Jan.

    I don't think he should be given special treatment either. But I do believe that because he is Canadian and a child that he should be treated as such.
  38. Mister G. from Canada writes: John Fedup from Canada writes: Mister G. from Halifax...They should have killed him when they had a chance ----------------------------------------------- Well, you got that part right. ------------------------------ LOL, The rest of my statements was heavily influenced by my wife's views. The US is wrong in the way they are treating this guy. Period.
  39. Jakub P from Canada writes: Someone should read a book, or watch the CBC interview with the Khadrs or maybe the 60 Minutes episode where this 'poor victim' was documented building bombs and buying guys for the Taliban. That someone is anyone who advocates bringing him to Canada. Our snipers were in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban. That means he was fighting Canadian soldiers. That makes him a traitor. Thus, no protections of our society. How anyone can defend this man (and yes he is a man at 20 years of age) is beyond me.
  40. Let me tell You How It Effing Is from Seattle, Washington, United States writes: 'defense lawyers, who stated the day previous that the imprisoned Canadian is too ill to attend his court hearing'

    This Canadian's illness is a mental one called 'anti-social schizophrenic anti-American Psychosis' ... with the highest incidence and prevalence found in people who inhabit the lands north of the 49th parallel called Canada.
  41. John Fedup from Canada writes: Jakub P from Canada ......How anyone can defend this man ....that's what bleeding heart (bleeding brains might be more approipate) leftist do.
  42. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jakub P from Canada: Hello??? You're getting your info from TV.

    ... His is a child, he is Canadians. He was fighting Canadian soldiers that are there fighting too. Did it ever occur to you that 'as a child' he may see it as self-defence????
  43. Mr. Justice from Canada writes: So THIS is where the meeting of the Association of Barstool Commandos is being held . . . .
  44. John Fedup from Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax .....you are GD right I hate the khadr family but that is not being racist.
  45. William Doyle from Prince George, Canada writes: I think that we should demand that our flag on the parliament buildings be lowered to half mast on Canada Day because of the shame that our present and past government has brought on Canada for supporting George bush keeping a young Canadian in his Guantanamo Bay Gulag. What is so wrong with a free trial for Mr Khadr? Are some of you afraid that if there is a free trial he may be found innocent? Are you not concerned that the 'former land of the free) now under bush allows evidence received under torture to be used in court? How can we as a nation ( fast becoming a banana republic) not find our backbone just like other western nations who brought their nationalists home from the bush torture chamber in Guantanamo.
  46. John Fedup from Canada writes: jodi chartreuse from Windsor.....I fail to see what the big problem is in simply bringing this CANADIAN man home and trying him in our own courts

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    The problem is another terrorist residing in Canada at taxpayer expense once some wimp judge dismisses all charges in order to maintain political correctness.
  47. John Fedup from Canada writes: William Doyle from Prince George....indeed, a Cdn trial with you on the jury should certainly result in a not guilty verdict....maybe you and Kathleen can adopt him so he doesn't have to return to his mother and her nest of vipers.
  48. Voice of Reason from Ottawa, Canada writes: why do keep putting up a picture of a boy,..he is a man, one with a very long beard and hair. and one of two where in a compound of Taliban fighters who killed an American service man. This guy is guilty as hell. They prosecute gang members here , younger than this guy was. And what was he doing in Afghanistan? He should be tried in Afghanistan…not here.
  49. John Fedup from Canada writes: Voice of Reason from Ottawa.....He should be tried in Afghanistan…not here.

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    Wow, if that were to happen, I can hear the bleeding hearts whinning already.
  50. jodi chartreuse from Windsor, Canada writes: John Fedup, you're throwing the word 'terrorist' around pretty freely here. Yes, Khadr was involved in an armed combat situation (to what extent is still to be determined). But being a soldier in combat is not the same as being a terrorist. When the US forces blow up entire villages in Afghanistan because they think there may be one or two or twenty Taliban fighters in there amongst the civilians, I'd be interested to know whether you would also classify that as terrorism. Or if not, why not. I'm not trying to attack the US here. All I'm saying is that words have meanings, and how you use those words (and whether you use them correctly) matters.
  51. John Fedup from Canada writes: jodi chartreuse from Windsor....his father was a terrorist and he brought his son to Afganistan. He may not be a terrorist but he was not a soldier (as defined by the Geneva Conventions).

    As for US forces blowing up villages without any regard for civilians is BS. If the statement were, it would be a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Civilians are killed in combat because Taliban forces use them as shields (another violation of the Geneva Conventions) and yes there are cases of targeting errors. In war, $hit happens, hopefully not often.
  52. jodi chartreuse from Windsor, Canada writes: Not soldier. CHILD soldier.

    '1977 Additional Protocols to the four Geneva Conventions and the Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989): Both use a 15-year minimum age for recruitment and participation in hostilities. Article 38 of the Convention is derived from Article 77(2) of Additional Protocol I of 1977 to the four Geneva Conventions of 1949. It states:

    1. States Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for rules of international humanitarian law applicable to them in armed conflicts which are relevant to the child.

    2. States Parties shall take all feasible measures to ensure that persons who have not attained the age of 15 years do not take a direct part in hostilities.

    3. States Parties shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of 15 years into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of 15 years but who have not attained the age of 18 years, States Parties shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.

    Additional Protocol II (applicable in non-international armed conflicts) is similar. Article 4(3)(c) states:

    'children who have not attained the age of 15 years shall neither be recruited in the armed forces or groups nor allowed to take part in hostilities.'

    The Convention's Article 38 is an anomaly in using a 15-year age minimum; in all other respects, the Convention's general definition of a child is any person under the age of 18 (unless under the law applicable to the child, majority it attained earlier).'

    Khadr was 13 when his father took him to Afghanistan. And by the way, I haven't heard anyone in this thread advocating that Khadr be found innocent or set free or set up in a luxurious taxpayer-funded penthouse and fed an endless supply of chocolate milk and cookies. A fair trial could just as easily end in conviction as it could exoneration. All people want is for it to be fair.
  53. jodi chartreuse from Windsor, Canada writes: Whoops, sorry. Forgot to cite my source.

    http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/crp/int-law.htm
  54. Comments are Closed from Toronto, Canada writes: 'home to Canada'? Give me a break. He's where he belongs now. I wonder if his friend Mr. Cretien will help him out again?
  55. John Fedup from Canada writes: jodi chartreuse from Windsor.....was he not 15 when he was captured? Since his father was the recruiter, it would be difficult to define when he actually became a child soldier. In any event, there are other articles he violated. Just because his father may have violated article 38 it does not give the son a walk on his violations.
  56. John Fedup from Canada writes: Comments are Closed from Toronto, Canada writes: 'home to Canada'? Give me a break. He's where he belongs now. I wonder if his friend Mr. Cretien will help him out again?

    I believe it was khadr's father that the $hit from Shiwinagan managed to have released. This is a fact all the Harper haters love to bury.
  57. Comments are Closed from Toronto, Canada writes: In any case, a proud Canadian family, eh? The film of them sitting around the campfire assembling landmines to kill Americans is touching. It's not a stretch of the imagination to figure that Canada could do better.
  58. Mark Levy from Canada writes: Whatever happens to this young man, his parents should be indicted for child abuse. They are not just a shame to Canadians, they are a shame to their own people, to law-abiding peaceful Muslims, and to parents everywhere. The Khadr family seems as well to be a treasonous nest of vipers who were allowed to remain in Canada erroneously. That might well be another legal issue.
  59. Dennis Farrell from Surrey, BC, Canada writes: Canadian or not, Khadr and his family do not exemplify Canadian values with their actions. Cudos to the government for not repatriating him, let the Americans deal with him.
  60. Nite Owl from Calgary, Canada writes: What next, The Canadian government will only help you if you're a card carrying Conservative? This is akin to free speech. You can't pick and choose who's free speech you'll allow.
  61. Duorp Naidanac from Canada writes: Voice of Reason from Ottawa, Canada writes: why do keep putting up a picture of a boy,..he is a man, one with a very long beard and hair.

    I wondered about that too. Why the picture of him at 15 all the time? It's a man on trial now.
  62. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: He's NOT a Canadian. He made his choice and that choice was Afghanistan. He fought AGAINST Canadian troops. That's called treason people. Don't give me this crap about him being 15 either. At 15 if you don't know right from wrong, who's side your on and your listening to your parents (yeah, like that happens with 15 year olds) then you have serious intelligence issues and belong under constant medical care. I don't care where he was born, he chose Afghanistan as the country to fight for. He's not a Canadian. If they bring him back to this country then he should be tried for treasonous acts.
  63. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Yvonne Wackernagel - Your knowledge of Jewish religious behaviour and practices is very limited and innaccurate, and your beliefs respecting the 'occupation' is straight from the pages of that other Jew hater Jimmy Carter.

    Besides we are talking about your hatred of Jews, specifically your comment that it was Jews who 'bought' John Tory and had him push for faith based funding. We aren't talking about Israel, but when you leap from one of your hates to the other you just further confirm your overt anti-semitism.

    Come on Yvonne, instead of beating around the Bush why don't you just 'make the statement'. Everyone who reads your relentless rants about covert Jewish behaviour, the 'world wide conspiracy' etc. etc. knows what you are made of.

    That you consider your thinking 'progressive' is beyond comical, and unfortunately endemic to a significant swatch of self-righteous self proclaimed social progressives situated somewhere in the far left near the Jack Layton and Sid Ryan neighborhood.


  64. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds - Sorry I missed your 4.26 post.

    You are right - my comment to Yvonne was a nasty shot. I do not apologize however, as I have been reading her vile anti semitic commentary for quite some time, and I find nothing more disgusting than a low life bigot and racist who feels it necessary to tell the board that 'some of her best friends are Jews' while she disseminates her hate filled lies.

    Sorry, but under such circumstances it is necessary to fight filth with filth, notwithstanding the absence of propriety or political correctness.

  65. jan bakker from Canada writes: With all the 'bleeding heart ' sentiments posted here I can well see why there's thousands of criminal deportees and so called 'refugees having a hay day in Canada at the taxpayers expence no less. A Canadian? sure why not, we could use a few more terrorists such as this idiot. Whats the matter with you people?
  66. George BrownIII from Christmas Island writes: Shame, that the greatest super power cant sent a 15 year old kid to jail in 7 years. Bush justice in Gitmo has not sent a single person to jail yet.
    Please don't hold the kid responsible for the sins of his parents and siblings. And what has harper done?
  67. George Stone from Canada writes: Are there any Conservatives out there who would have this young person brought home for a Canadian trial? Or do you all side with these, 'Let him rot in jail' mob? Let's hear from you.
  68. Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: J R from Vancouver: 'Nonetheless, you are the one spewing hate toward your fellow Canadians and Canada by refusing to aknowledge the full citizenship...'

    I and the majority of my fellow Canadians do not feel that the Khadr animals are Canadians. So feel free to accuse me of 'spewing hate' towards Canada while you defend the scum who openly hate us. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the hilarious irony.

    But don't get me wrong; I'm all for giving them a fair trial - in Pakistan!

    'Personally, I wish you and the likes of you would be deported to a very far away place, regardless of what the law allows.'

    NOW look who's disrespecting Canada's laws, huh? LOL!
  69. Dr Demento from Canada writes: Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: 'You may be surprised to learn that there are more Canadians who support Jan Burton's position than your own.'

    I would be even more surprised if you could substantiate such a statement . . .
  70. jan bakker from Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes:

    I and the majority of my fellow Canadians do not feel that the Khadr animals are Canadians. So feel free to accuse me of 'spewing hate' towards Canada while you defend the scum who openly hate us. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the hilarious irony.----
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    Count me in as part of the majority of Canadians who don't want these type on our soil.
  71. Nite Owl from Calgary, Canada writes: When you find yourself arguing with an idiot make sure they're not doing the same thing.
  72. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jan:

    And who are you exactly that you are speaking on behalf of all Canadians?
  73. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Dennis Farrell from Surrey, BC, Canada writes: Canadian or not, Khadr and his family do not exemplify Canadian values with their actions.

    Dennis, so you're saying that denying a Canadian their rights is more representative of Canadian values?
  74. Jack Wilson from Toronto from Canada writes: Dr Demento from Canada writes: You may be surprised to learn that there are more Canadians who support Jan Burton's position than your own.'

    .. If that's the case, which I don't believe it is, our children are going to look back at this case in a few years and think of us as hyenas.
  75. Anti Fascist from Canada writes:
    And as for a trial, there is no need as the kid has not done anything for which he should be charged.

    The USA position is obviously trumped up, just to make any uppity Canucks eat crow. What a load of crap, he takes two slugs in the back, is asking to be martyred and instead the fascist rat bags decide to use him in a political show trial. 'merican justice? HAH! Bunch of liars.
  76. Kathleen Degelder from Canada writes: William Doyle: Tell that to little Zachary Smith.---Victims in Canada are just collateral damage. In memory of Jordan Manners (black) Jane Creba.(white) If you are an Amnesty International lawyer, the usual 'myopic' or a an immigration lawyer---more victim impact statements are needed to remind people like you of the 9/11 victim's. And if you are incapacited due to a mind altering substance and short term memory loss consequence thereof. I will remind you again. 9/11 happened before Iraq in 2003!!! I will remind you again of Air India 182. Everyone points fingers at everyone in lawforces. Underestimating the cunning and 'double faces' of terrorism.
  77. Robert Loblaw from Canada, Canada writes: Dr Demento - I can't, but then neither can you provide evidence refuting the contention.

    Perhaps if the media were to hold a write in vote? However in fairness, to eliminate the obvious sympathy factor, you know, he's just a kid the bad Yanks are torturing, let them run current photos of Omar the Jihadist.

    Betcha that'd initiate a change in the temperature.
  78. Hmmmer ? from Recovery, Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes:
    But all people are NOT the same, William. Don't try to tell me that a peaceful family who immigrates here to give their kids a better life, and cherishes every minute in this country, is somehow the same as a pack of jihadi dogs like the Khadrs.

    They are NOT THE SAME and we should stop pretending that they are.

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    So what will you demand that 'we' stop pretending about next Jan, the rule of law?

    Anyone who has paid any attention at all to the ongoing farce at Guantanamo Bay could not reasonably conclude Khadr or any other 'enemy combatant' will get a fair trial.

    All you have to do is look at the story of the Marines in Iraq, who dragged an innocent man out of his house dumped him from his wheelchair and murdered him in cold blood in front of his family.

    They got off because their commandant said, something like, 'these soldiers were in a tough environment, sometimes these things happen'.

    Should we stop pretending Khadr's gonna get a fair trial too?

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  79. Voice of Reason from Ottawa, Canada writes: Khadr should get the same trail he gave the american service man before throwing the granade.
  80. Voice of Reason from Ottawa, Canada writes: someone died here and this is not discussed. Yes he was young, but he chose to go with his father. His father will rot in hell with his 72 virgins.
  81. Hmmmer ? from Recovery, Canada writes: jan bakker from Canada writes:>> Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes:

    I and the majority of my fellow Canadians do not feel that the Khadr animals are Canadians. So feel free to accuse me of 'spewing hate' towards Canada while you defend the scum who openly hate us. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the hilarious irony.----
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    Count me in as part of the majority of Canadians who don't want these type on our soil.<<

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    Wow, you two are...vehement!

    I can just see you two at some 1936 National Socialist meeting, pre-war Germany, screaming your freakin' heads off.

    Jan Bakker and Jan Burton would you like a fair trial?

    What if, the majority of Canadians you claim, wanted you two tried for angry bitchiness?

    You both should just chill out!

    steve W. and his (minority) conservative committee is only trying to appease george so he'll come up for one last visit.

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  82. jan bakker from Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jan:

    And who are you exactly that you are speaking on behalf of all Canadians?
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    I don't know which Jan you are addressing, but this JB knows that even if I were the PM, it would not change the 'bleeding heart' sentimental ideology of too many who are short of common sense.
    Any successfull business or company knows to keep out bad apples in order to retain order, harmony and continued success. Our success as a nation is and has been in a downward trend because of too many bad apples, not to mention the bad influence given by leftist 'logic'?
  83. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: jan bakker from Canada:

    So how do we get rid of you bad apples and keep the ones that have a moral and social conscience?
  84. Paul Jay from Canada writes: Because the Tories have so badly mishandled the Khadr file the little guy is slowly becoming a hero. It would have better to bring him home years ago and let the matter settle into obscurity.
  85. Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: Kathleen Edmonds:

    I don't claim to speak for all Canadians. Never in a million years would I claim to speak for the loony left.

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    Hmmmer ? from Recovery:

    I'm all for giving the Khadrs a fair trial. In Pakistan!

    'I can just see you two at some 1936 National Socialist meeting, pre-war Germany, screaming your freakin' heads off.'

    Wow - two different Goodwins in a single thread. I'm impressed!
  86. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes: 'I don't claim to speak for all Canadians. Never in a million years would I claim to speak for the loony left.'

    ...Well then, I guess we should be thankful.

    ... BTW, we only allow people with a moral and social conscience, therefore you'd never have the opportunity to speak for us.
  87. Sev Scott from calgary, Canada writes: The Apple does not fall from the tree. The problem with prisons, all prisons, is that criminals go in and become better criminals. This fellow's formative years were spent with in a racist, bitter, west hating family. Whabbi muslim to the core. Can he be reformed? Well, anyone who has ever spoken with a criminal in jail, will tell you that they all find God, all love their fellow man, and all will leave on the staight and narrow. Rarely does this happen. Has he been scared straight? Sounds like he is as manipulative as his old man. But alas, he is only 15. In any event, I wish we could have his whole family in Gitmo. He is a convenient Canadian and I am sick and tired of it.
  88. Hmmmer ? from Recovery, Canada writes: Jan Burton from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Wow - two different Goodwins in a single thread. I'm impressed!

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    Wow, I bet you're only impressed with yourself and you're the only one impressed with yourself.

    There are some good, clear thinking Progressive Conservatives, you are probably ruining it for them.

    Hey everyone, Jan's a majority isn't that nice?!

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, achtung baby!
  89. Jack Robertson from Toronto, Canada writes: Every time I read one of these sob stories about the poor 'Canadian' Omar Khadr, I shed a tear and then let the onion drop from my handkerchief. Why do the media sob sisters not weep for the young, unarmed American medic who was murdered in cold blood by the poster child of Canada's chattering classes? Ironically, Mr. Khadr and his ilk would cheerfully slit the throats of the same 'politically correct' Canadians who are clamoring for his release from prison. He committed a truly heinous crime and will deserve the justice meted out to him at Guantanamo. Unfortunately, the worst that might happen is that he could be sentenced to a long prison term. It is too bad that the U.S. military will not give him eternity in paradise.
  90. Hmmmer ? from Recovery, Canada writes: Jack Robertson from Toronto, Canada writes: Why do the media sob sisters not weep for the young, unarmed American medic who was murdered in cold blood by the poster child of Canada's chattering classes? Ironically, Mr. Khadr and his ilk would cheerfully slit the throats of the same 'politically correct' Canadians who are clamoring for his release from prison. He committed a truly heinous crime and will deserve the justice meted out to him at Guantanamo. Unfortunately, the worst that might happen is that he could be sentenced to a long prison term. It is too bad that the U.S. military will not give him eternity in paradise.

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    How do you know the medic was unarmed?

    I'm not clamoring for his release from prison, speak for yourself!

    I would like to see him get a fair trial though.

    You say, "He committed a truly heinous crime and will deserve the justice meted out to him at Guantanamo".

    You are a liar, he hasn't been convicted yet, even in georgie's kangaroo Bay court.

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go hmmm?
  91. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Sev writes: 'He is a convenient Canadian'

    ... No Sev, he is Canadian and that is a fact.
  92. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Sev, hello: Hopefully the run cleared your head, LOL.

    The fact is he is Canadian and should be treated as such. He is entitled to the same rights as you and I regardless of how you may 'feel' about it. To me being Canadian means many things that we have fought long and hard for.

    .. You are tired of being used? Do recall the reasons Canada has brought immigrants into this country ie. labour. Perhaps they may be tired of being used.

    .. We are using immigrants once again are we not? Now we are bringing immigrants into the country to fill our schools.

    ... You blame the Lebanese for wanting to get out of a being bombed by Israel, supported by our weapons? I completely disagree with that statement. And yes, a Canadian citizen should be treated as a Canadian citizen, nothing more nothing less.
  93. Mike Sumners from Toronto, Canada writes: Why do the Canadian media keep reporting on this story? There are no Canadians involved.
  94. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Sev, hello: Hopefully the run cleared your head, LOL.

    The fact is he is Canadian and should be treated as such. He is entitled to the same rights as you and I regardless of how you may 'feel' about it. To me being Canadian means many things that we have fought long and hard for.

    .. You are tired of being used? Do recall the reasons Canada has brought immigrants into this country ie. labour. Perhaps they may be tired of being used.

    .. We are using immigrants once again are we not? Now we are bringing immigrants into the country to fill our schools.

    ... You blame the Lebanese for wanting to get out of a being bombed by Israel, supported by our weapons? I completely disagree with that statement. And yes, a Canadian citizen should be treated as a Canadian citizen, nothing more nothing less.
  95. William Doyle from Prince George, Canada writes: I feel so sad for the thousands of Canadian troops who gave their lives in WW11 to defeat Hitler. They died so we could have a FREE country and having a free country includes having free trials. bush the draft dodger does not believe in free trials, he believes in show trials just like Hitler did. In memory of our soldiers who fought and died for freedom we demand thatour gutless government demand the return of Mr Khadr so he can have the free trial in Canada that the USA under the war criminal bush regime will not give him.
  96. Sev Scott from calgary, Canada writes: Hi Katheen, Canada is a hotel for many people. Canada would have played no part in his history had he not been arrested. Many people come here and get their papers and leave, only to use Canada when it serves their interest. On that basis, I call him a convenient Canadian. Just like those in Leb that plead to Canada to bring them back in the event of war, and once it is over, head back over to Leb. Don't get me going on my ex German girlfriend. Now off for a jog.
  97. Hmmmer ? from Recovery, Canada writes: Sev Scott from calgary, Canada writes: Hi Katheen, Canada is a hotel for many people. Canada would have played no part in his history had he not been arrested. Many people come here and get their papers and leave, only to use Canada when it serves their interest. On that basis, I call him a convenient Canadian. Just like those in Leb that plead to Canada to bring them back in the event of war, and once it is over, head back over to Leb. Don't get me going on my ex German girlfriend. Now off for a jog.
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    Sev, did you just fall off the stupid truck?

    He was born here. That makes him Canadian, "on that basis"!

    You say, "Don't get me going on my ex German girlfriend".
    Why? Did your girlfriend beat you up or something?

    Hmmmer. Things that make ya go, hmmm?
  98. Kathleen Edmonds from Halifax from Canada writes: Reading the text on 'the stages of moral development' helps to understand some comments by the 'Jan type' on this forum:

    ... Most people never get past the third stage.