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ERIC DUHATSCHEK

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Latest comment posted at 9:33 AM EST 04/07/08

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  1. Daniel Sturgis from Morocco writes: I hope this is the beginning trickle of a flood toward Europe. I, for one, am enthralled by the prospect of having rival leagues and eventually international tournaments. I also like to think players have an option, and that a competitive European team is more attractive than, say playing in Phoenix, for example.
  2. Jeff Gulley from Toronto, Canada writes: I agree Daniel. The market is not in the USA.
  3. Professional30smthg in TO from Canada writes: Take him Avangard, please. Most overrated player ever.
  4. Sean O'Reilly from Kitchener, Canada writes: What a surprise! Jagr's dedication to the game will not be missed by the NHL, he has a proven history of being not a passionate professional and has been critized for it.

    Its no surprise that he leaves for the money, no team knowing his history was willing to give him another large contract, only to get modest returns and a high maintenence tight @$$.

    Daniel, you may like the idea of a rival league, but the NHL has the Stanley Cup and all the best athletes will still play in the NHL. The rival league will only take the modest 3rd or 4th line talent that will get stupid money thrown at them the NHL will not. The NHL will only throw so much stupid money, LOL!

    Besides, give an athlete a choice between Europe in the winter and Phoenix, I am thinking a warmer climate is a better option than freezing my rear off in the middle of no where.
  5. Nathan Cool from Vancouver, Canada writes: Overrated?? Haha.. look at his numbers. If he was Canadian he'd be the second coming of Christ.

    I think we have some xenophobic posters here. Watched too much Don Cherry.
  6. Wally Grisold from Toronto, Canada writes: Hey Jeff, don't tell Gary Bettman where the market is.
  7. Andrew Bisson from Ottawa, Canada writes: Nathan - Numbers are one thing. Winning is another; what did he win after Mario left? How many nights did he take off?
    Bon voyage Jagr. Now if only Hasek, Chelios, Maltby, and Holmstrom would leave, all of my most hated players would be gone!
  8. G S from Toronto, Canada writes: I love a good argument about Europe Vs. Phoenix!

    The days of the NHL owning players is over - the Russian Super league (albeit a long way from 100% perfect) is going to start attracting more and more players who are in the prime of their careers - because it's about money and lifestyle. The Russian Super League plays 50 or so games a season and by the end of it - if you go all the way - about 70 games a season - with two practices a week.....Basically a player over their has to be on the ice about half the time they are here and gets roughly the same pay.....Hmmmmm decisions, decisions....oh and for Jagr and a lot of other guys, the lifestyle is the lifestyle they are accustomed to, not the lifestyle that WE make them adopt!

    I would never defend Jagr's superstar/lacklustre NHL career, because I found him to be a major disappointment as did a lot of people, but in the end I think his move to Russia is great for that league and similar moves in the future will make the NHL look long and deep at themselves to relaize they aren't the only game in town!
  9. T J from Canada writes: Off to the Big Frozen Apple.........good luck!
  10. Tom h from Canada writes: Sean O'Reilly from Kitchener, Canada writes:

    Besides, give an athlete a choice between Europe in the winter and Phoenix, I am thinking a warmer climate is a better option than freezing my rear off in the middle of no where.

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Really?? You think continental Europe, relative to Phoenix, as 'the middle of nowhere'???? Wow, maybe you should travel to Europe sometime, if you're currently under the impression that a sprawling asphalt oasis in the middle of the desert is more civilized than Europe.
  11. asdf asdf from Canada writes: Jagr is anything but overrated. He's 9th alltime in points.

    I don't know why people are criticizing Jagr for going to Russia for money when money is the biggest reason Europeans come to the NHL in the first place. I'm sure for some of them playing closer to home is appealing, and we shouldn't be of the attitude that the NHL is entitled to bleed the european leagues of their best players.

    Personally I agree with Daniel that it would be great if the european leagues developed into a league of comparable talent to the NHL. I would love to see inter-league tournaments.
  12. Rick C from Canada writes: Thank God...the rumour yesterday was that my Oilers were trying to sign him. When Jagr is motivated he is probably the best player in the world or at least one of them. The problem is he is rarely motivated these days.

    A friend of mine went to Vegas in May and saw Jagr walking around. He said Jagr looked about as depressed and sad as a person could look. We figured he must have had a bad day at the craps table.
  13. Rick C from Canada writes: asdf asdf from Canada writes:

    'Personally I agree with Daniel that it would be great if the european leagues developed into a league of comparable talent to the NHL. I would love to see inter-league tournaments.'

    I disagree. All that will result in is watered down competition and a less entertaining game to watch.
  14. J. R. from Halifax, Canada writes: tom h: take a look at a map, Omsk is in Siberia. I think that qualifies as the middle of nowhere.
  15. Bryce Will from Canada writes: The NHL is so messed up it isn't funny. NO ONE watches hockey because the product has been destroyed so much. Its a real shame..
  16. asdf asdf from Canada writes: 'I disagree. All that will result in is watered down competition and a less entertaining game to watch.'

    Immediately yes, but if successful leagues in Europe motivates more kids to play hockey, and the increased lucrativeness causes more kids to consider a professional career in hockey, it would increase the talent pool and eventually produce better quality hockey.
  17. Antonio San from Canada writes: J.R , Avangard is one of the most successful Russian hockey team and won their Stanley Cup equivalent in 2004 and Omsk is almost 3 times the population of your own hole. It's a majore refinery center. When did Halifux win anything?
  18. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Ummm.... What planet are some of you from?

    Jagr is one of the best players (if not the best) that the NHL has seen in the last decade...

    Be critical all that you want, folks...

    However, I seriously think as the economies of North America continue to take on hits, more and more players will be looking to play in the newer leagues of the IIHF and Russian Super leagues...

    After all, the NHL taught many of these guys the idea of simply following the money...

    Might this be a reason that Marian Hossa signed a one year deal instead on a longer term one ?

    No, it must be because that Hossa is a saint...

    Is this Bobby Hull and the WHL all over again ?

    Cheers
  19. asdf asdf from Canada writes: 'What tax support and parental support did they provide to our minor hockey programs, community rinks, etc.'

    The exact same tax support that Canadian players provide. If a European player plays and lives in Canada, he pays Canadian income tax. What kind of xenophobic complaint is this?
  20. sometimes serious from Canada writes: Bye Bye. Used to watch him 'play' in Washington.....when he wanted to.

    Most of the time he was nothing to watch but on the nights he wanted to play he was as strong on the puck as any player I have ever seen......BUT he has no heart and that is what makes him the most overrated player!
  21. wayne powers from writes: Call us what you want but I would rather have a Mats Sundin than 2 Jagrs. Sundin showed up every night and tried his best, he didn't whine and he didn't float.I lost respect for Jagr years ago when the Pens lost and he casually said the Stanley Cup didn't mean that much to him.
    Nationality has nothing to do with it, to Jagr it's just a way to make money. He is and was a talent but he just doesn't care.
  22. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Also interesting in all of this is that the New York Rangers were scheduled to open their 2008-2009 exhibition season playing some games against newer IIHF teams in Europe...

    One of these contests was set for Prague in the Czech Republic...

    Can you guess why ?

    Cheers.

  23. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: wayne powers from writes:

    'To Jagr it's just a way to make money...'

    As opposed to guys like Pickering's Sean Avery where playing professional hockey gives a high school drop-out the chance to make a mockery of the game's real heros like Martin Brodeur, teach children poor sportsmanship, sign a $16 million contract to pot a dozen goals or so, work at Vogue magazine and nail loose women...

    Yes, Don Cherry has certainly poisoned some of our minds if we are critical of a bona fide European talent like Mr. Jagr.

    Cheers
  24. EJ Ravensbud from Canada writes: Millertime, this sounds great. Now if only we can get Sid the Kid to sign on to this Russian league we will have one less flopper in North America. Don would be pleased!
  25. John O'Meara from At My Bay, Canada writes: Jagr is a future Hall of Famer. He has 1599 points in 1273 NHL games. That is an amazing career, matched by very few if any currently active players. Disrespecting someone who has been so productive throughout a long career is petty.
  26. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: EJ Ravensbud from Canada:

    Honestly, Ravensbud...

    Sometimes you actually sound as dumb as Drapes pretends to be.

    When Krusty the Coach is retroactively awarded a Hart trophy for his outstanding performance in the single game that he played in the NHL, have your people call my people on the Order of Canada issue...

    Cheers
  27. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Jagr is a proven winner...

    Two Stanley Cups, one Hart trophy, 5 Art Ross Trophies, 3 Lester Pearson Awards, 1 IIHF European Championship and an Olympic Gold Medal are a testament to that fact...

    Oh.... but then there was that dig of the Don that he was Mario Lemieux's 'daughter.'

    I bet that knocked him down a peg or two in the minds of the deluded Dandy Don disciples.

    Cheers.
  28. Lyn Alg from Canada writes: What a pair - the incompetent Sather and the chicken Swede Naslund. They truly deserve each other. Bye, bye, Rangers.
  29. T J from Canada writes: Omsk........home of the frozen mullet!
  30. Another Opinion from Canada writes: Some guy who has been playing hockey pretty much all his life decides that as his career winds down he wants to go home to Europe to play, and a team in Europe offers him a boatload of money to do it.

    So, are you guys a) jealous of the money b) bitter that he didn't pick the NHL or c) angry that he wasn't the best player in the NHL every year he was here?

    Just to clarify, you know not EVERY player can win the Stanley Cup EVERY year! What, specifically, could Jagr have done to 'prove himself' to you egomaniacs?
  31. steve allan from Welland, Ontario, Canada writes: If I were an up and coming star in the NHL and I got drafted by some souther team, I'd bolt to Russia if the opportunity arose. Players who want to play in places like Phoenix, Florida, Atlanta, etc are players who do not truly love the game like the players of bigone eras, unfortunately that describes a good many of the young pampered and spoiled mama's boys of today's NHL.
  32. Another Opinion from Canada writes: As an aside, I don't get this 'he wasn't the best ever so he sucks' argument. Of course he wasn't the best ever. By definition, only one person can be the best. Does that mean nobody else is worth watching? 'Cause I've got to tell you, even the worst of them is better than the people insulting them.

    Anyway, hate on Jagr if you want. Here's what I remember:

    Jagr in a Penguins uniform in the corner, walking the puck out around one defender and then another and then faking the goalie out of his shorts... all the while I'm screaming at the television... 'For the love of God, somebody hit him! HE'S RIGHT THERE!' But, of course, they couldn't hit him.

    That's how I choose to remember Jagr: the guy who played so impossibly well, he made me loathe him because he made my team look like idiots.

    Good-luck mullethead. Make some money and have some fun.
  33. Raymond P from Canada writes: Maybe Jagr is tired of playing pointless preseason games, 82 regular season games (most of which are boring and pointless) and playoffs. Why is hockey now a 3-season sport? I don't know how many games there are in the Russian League but it is fewer than 82. A player Jagr's age could easily play 3-5 more years if it weren't for the excessively long schedule. He's opened the door to many others.
  34. A non-Imus from Canada writes: Now if only the NHL could be convinced to reduce its regular season and playoffs by about one-third. Then allow its elite teams to compete against Europe's best in a Champions League format like soccer...
  35. Mike Baker from Iqaluit, Canada writes:
    Perhaps Jaromir will follow in his former hero's footsteps, spend a year or two - or less - away from the NHL, and then return when the time is right for him to come back. (Trivia: an anagram of Jaromir produces Mario Jr.) Watch for his name to heat up the hotstove banter during the 2009 stretch drive.

    He's only 36; I think a bit of time away from the pressures of playing in NYC, the wonky Russian transportation system and a few frozen dark nights in Siberia will make him rethink his decision when the opportunity for change presents itself.

    NHL fans haven't seen the last of old number 68.
  36. EJ Ravensbud from Canada writes: So Millertime does your reply mean that you are open to signing a petition in support of Don receiving the Order of Canada? Please let me know as if you will sign the petition supporting Don I will sign one supporting the Scotia flopper, alias Sid the Kid.
  37. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: As someone pointed out earlier in the thread.... If Jagr was Canadian you would consider him the second coming of Lemieux.

    Some pretty trashy talk on here.

    Cheers
  38. Daniel Sturgis from Morocco writes: Europe has one big trump card at the moment. The NHL's salary cap system, which limits rookies to earning about a million per year for two years. Or is it three? Compare that with Russia offering an up and coming superstar seven or eight figures, and suddenly there's a little more attraction. While the Russian league might not be great now, the standard is increasing. Couple that with the possibility of a premier league, ala European soccer, which involves a team or two from each the European hockey nations competing, and you have the makings of a great product. Maybe not quite as epic as Toronto vs Montreal, but certainly way better than Phoenix vs Columbus.
  39. Laurent Beland from Montreal, Canada writes: He's one of the great. The fifth best in history for points per game. Surpassed only by Wayne, Mario, Mike Bossy and Marcel Dionne. Often seen at MSG cycling past midnight. Two Stanley cups.

    Too bad his name wasn't Mike Smith.
  40. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Actually, Ravensbud...

    Don's pseudo-apology to the Kid during the 2008 playoffs was complete BS if you ask me...

    Don didn't encourage players to break the 16 year old from Nova Scotia kid's arm because he was diving as he claimed, he did so because he thought that the Kid was a 'hot dog,' and then to subsequently claim that he was trying to 'help' the Kid's career, what a laugh.

    I still can only wonder over how Don would salivate if Crosby came from Kingston, Ontario instead of Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia.

    In other words, I'll nominate the Don for the Order of Canada when hell freezes over.

    However, just to prove that I hate success stories like Jagr and Crosby as much the Don does and that I too love mediocrity in Canada, here's my concession:

    Go Leafs Go!
  41. S Field from Toronto, Canada writes: Big deal, see you later Jagr. You'll be begging to come back by Christmas. The Russian league will be to the NHL what MLS is to EPL.
  42. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Let's not forget that the salary cap in the new Russian league is a bearskin hat - much taller and much warmer. Imagine, all that money and the chance to play in the same division as Alexi Yashin!

    Can the new league survive and prosper?

    Baseball thrives in Japan with a small exchange of players between MLB and the Japanese Leagues adding some extra interest in Japan.

    Should work for hockey also.

    Baseball's real world series was last won by the Cubans if memory serves - could Lord Stanley's Cup and the pursuit of same become a regional attraction?

    Will Scot Loucks dominate the hockey postings in Pravda? Not nyet!!

    Can I encourage the new Russian league to hire Don Cherry for colour commentary? (After all, cherries are red aren't they?)
  43. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Does anyone ever wonder why that Czech troll with all the different names (Random Person, MK Euro, etc., etc.) hates Canadian hockey fans so much...

    Read through all of these comments, and consider whether anyone would have said any of these things on the day that Gretzky retired from the New York Rangers... Don't actually remember Gretzky bringing a Cup to New York either.

    Xenophobia doesn't begin to describe it, but since the Don called the guy 'Mario's daughter' and didn't like the way that he celebrated after he scored goals, many of you probably think what you are saying is A-OK.

    Statistically and according to accolades, Jaromir Jagr was probably the most dominating NHL player of the last decade without much debate.

    Cheers
  44. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: 3Martel from Canada:

    Not nyet, but...

    We were recently inundated by a few thousand hockey fans from Russia, Latvia, and Slovenia for the World Championship in Halifax this past spring...

    I was amazed at the personal wealth that many of these fans exhibited in being able to follow their teams half way round the world...

    And believe me if enthusiasm of these fans for the game being played on the ice (instead of in some people's heads) is any indication, the NHL could be in bigger trouble from a new Russian superleague than it just being a feeder league for the NHL...

    I still see the Jagr situation as quite comparable to Bobby Hull and the WHA many years ago. However with one big exception this time, Cherry is the equivalent of coloured pucks IMHO... Nevertheless, the idea of shipping him to Siberia holds some appeal to me.

    Cheers.
  45. Pudge Canuck from TO, Canada writes: The Russian Super League 'threat' will be over the next 5 to 10 years. They will be able to attract players because of the money the owners over there have. The rich teams are all backed by Billionaries and not so rich teams by millionaires. When these owners get wise the money will go away. Russian teams do not make money at all. They highest attendance for any team is under 10,000 and ticket prices cannot be at the same level as the NHL.

    This league is one big toy for the russian super elite.
  46. T J from Canada writes: Jagr & Hasek........tremendously skilled.......living legends.............also unpredictable and unreliable.
  47. Badges? We don't need no stinking badges from Canada writes: After a long, successful NHL career...best of luck in Russia. Number 68. Jagr chose 68 to honour the 'Prague spring' in 1968
  48. all good from qubekistan, Canada writes: The world is continuosly changing: AT one point New York was in the middle of nowhere.Sooner than later Siberia is becoming somewhere and New York is becoming nowhere. And the quality of hockey is going down on NHL.With same competition from another market, we might see same improvement.
  49. Paul Holmes from Canada writes: Omsk is a big hockey town, but the arena is small and is just a Big Russian Oligrach just try to buy a team like the Chelsea Blues.
    During the Strike, Jagr played for Omsk so he knows what he is doing. He is playing less game, more money, less physically demanding and cost of living is much less.

    So now that Omsk did this, what is Kazan going to do? It will start a cash war for players.
  50. Moose Lion from Canada writes: Overrated? Give me a break.

    He is the one and ONLY true super talent since Mario left (with respect to offence that is).

    Hopefully there are three other guys in the leauge right now that can stake their name to that claim.
  51. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: all good from quebekistan, Canada:

    Yes, but...

    Why can't the consumers force improvements to the increasingly crappy NHL product/heros that are being offered to our kids instead of waiting for Europe and Russia to force these changes ?

    PS.... A boorish buffoon, Da Puma from Stab City ?

    Thanks!

    Can I get a job as a analyst at HNIT then ?

    Cheers.
  52. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Miller....

    That was 'a boorish bufoon at the BEST of times' ... get it right :)

    Cheers
  53. RONNY TALBOT from Yahk BC, Canada writes: .....meanwhile, Madonna crosses a name off of her 'to do' list.
  54. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: RONNY TALBOT...... you just made me laugh out loud.

    Cheers
  55. bilbo baggins from Canada writes: bye bye Jagr
  56. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes:
    This isn't the same scenario as the WHA at all. The WHA for all its bluster was always strapped for cash. The oligarchs have no such problem. The WHA ended up as part of the NHL ... and only the Oilers remain in the same town with the same name.

    As for Jagr, good for him. Grab the cash. Why not ? Drop by and see us and pick up your Hall of Fame ring. There are people in the HOF right now who are a lot less deserving than this guy. (Ballard and Ahern leap to mind).

    I think Ronny Talbot put the best spin on this story. >-]
  57. Bill Weston from Grand Rapids, MI, United States writes: For those who doubt, heres a little compilation of someones idea of Jagrs top 10 goals while with Pittsburg. If you can watch that and still claim he wasnt a great player, then I dont know what greatness is. Some of these goals are unbelievable. What puck skills!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDX0pxdidB4

    It seems to me that much of his troubles were with his public image. He was always seen as moody, even surly and arrogant. Whether thats true or not, I leave to the fans in the cities where he played to decide. All I know is that when he was on his game, he was a joy to watch.
  58. J Law from Canada writes: On the Sid deal, I think maybe just a bit of maturing will help, after all he is just a kid under a lot of pressure. Mario may just have to lean down and say. "Just play hockey, kid, and stop the mouth work.

    I also think Mario can attribute a goal or two to Jagr being on his team. Who are you gonna put your best checkers on?
  59. Earl Anthony from Canada writes: I, for one, am sorry to see Jagr go. He was a great player and it's too bad his ambitions did not encompass moving up the all time scoring leaderboard. The aftertax benefits of Russia aside, his lack of mobility on the big ice surface will lead to a shorter career.

    By the way Siberia is not in Europe. Omsk is where they used to send dissidents to the gulag!
  60. fergus macduff from United Kingdom writes: just spent the past few years working in russia and i caught a few games, mostly csk v whoever. have to say the games were fast, the skill level pretty good, but NO hitting. none, zippo, nada. it was kind of boring to watch. but old jager is near done and why not go make a lot of money in an ok city for little effort. lots of good vodka and pretty siberia girls. don't kid yourselves folks, siberia is a fine place. living in a major city there is no worse than living in edmonton.
  61. wayne powers from saskatoon, writes: Good for Kevin Lowe, Burke is ajerk always has been always will be.If mlse is waiting for Burke they are just as stupid. Kevin and crew would be a better GM and management team for the budz but I guess loudmouth jerks appeal to loudmouth jerks.
  62. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Fans of the Red Wings usually make complete sense to me -- unlike many of the yahoos on this thread that I am guessing are likely fans of the Make Beleafs...

    I would really like to someday figure how some of their minds really work. I am sure that there could be a Nobel Prize in Psychiatry for curing the Maple Leaf Delusional Syndrome.

    1. Do they not like Jagr because he was an exceptionally talented player and we hate superstars in Canada ?

    2. Do they not like Jagr because the Don constantly dissed him in his role as Chief Clown on HNIT ?

    3. Do they not like Jagr because he wasn't born in Ontario ?

    4. Or could it be it is because Jagr didn't play for the Mighty Leaf ?

    Cheers
  63. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Bill Weston from Grand Rapids, MI, United States:

    Thanks for that video of Jagr's top ten goals, Bill...

    I was amazed to see moves like those 10 of Jagr's... As shown in that video, this guy was so strong that he could take 2 or 3 of the opposing team to the net and still had the presence of mind to even make a deke in that situation... He made many a good D-man look bad.

    IF Jagr was arrogant or surly, I really don't have a problem with that if he can back this up on the ice with his effort and performance. That's what fans should be paying to see.

    What bothers me is the arrogance of a 9 goal per season, limited talent pest like Sean Avery who largely gains his celebrity from his off the ice antics and exploits...

    Cheers
  64. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Irony of ironies...

    Bill Weston, did you get a chance to see the related YouTube video called, "The Night Jaromir Jagr almost killed Sean Avery."

    It's pretty funny and well worth a look...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B53W-7tk4Uw&feature=related
  65. R. M. from Regina, Canada writes: I agree Daniel Sturgis and others that if the NHL has any hope at all it is through European expansion/leagues to bring a fresh look to a tired product. Hopefully though some of the American franchises will relocate as opposed to simply adding more and more teams.
  66. western conservative from Canada writes: Jagr is one of the greatest talents to play in the NHL ever. I wish him well. I also wish he would take 50 or 60 of his European friends with him. There are certainly many terrific non-north american hockey players in the NHL. However, the last several years teams have resorted to signing and playing European grinders and role players. We have enough home grown grinders. We don't need imported ones.
  67. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: western conservative ... a European team won the cup this year... with backup from some great Canadian content.

    You don't think that was great?

    I think their is enough Euro content now in the NHL to prove that the Canadians are not the toughest guys on the street.

    Don't get me wrong.. I was sitting in my high school gym for the 72 magic..... but I love great hockey and I don't' believe a 30 team NHL can survive without the Euro infusion.

    Certainly the Americans are picking it up in terms of supplying players.. but most of the class/highly skilled players are still coming from across the ocean.

    good for Jagr... he has earned it. Good luck to him as well... I know he wants to finish his career playing for his dad in Czech.

    Cheers
  68. Bill Weston from Grand Rapids, MI, United States writes: R Miller.. I have now and thanks for the link. Short but funny, youre right.
  69. bilbo baggins from Canada writes: I was sad he had a really really bad mullet and somehow it suited him.
  70. EJ Ravensbud from Canada writes: Hey, Millertime, read Scott Fisher's article in today's Toronto Sun, concerning my friend Don. Among his points he confirms that Don was voted 7th greatest Canadian in a vote taken by all Canadians. You are obviously in a small minority filled with hate and jealousy. Too bad!

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