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MATTHEW CAMPBELL

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Latest comment posted at 5:18 PM EST 08/07/08

Police say they have no doubt that road rage was the cause of a highway crash near Milton early Tuesday morning ...Read the full article

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  1. A T from Victoria, Canada writes: what a tragic and sad event, wondering how something like this would even happen at 5 am? one would think there would be next to no one on the highway at that time and they would have lots of room to drive and not annoy one another.
  2. Smokezz from Southern Ontario from Canada writes: So... they're both trying to run each other off the road, and the guy in the SUV wasn't wearing his seat belt? Sounds like Darwin got his way.
  3. Stude Ham from Outremont, Canada writes:
    the article reports that a black car and a red car were somehow involved in this road tragedy.

    the article also indicateds that all this happened at about 5 am on a highway somewhere near Toronto.

    Since sunrise in that region is at about 5:45 am at this time of the year, is there actually enough light available at around 5 am to be able to distinguish car colours?
  4. Toast And coffee from Somewhere, Canada writes: Stude Columbo?
  5. Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, Canada writes: I was on the 501 in bumper to bumper traffic once that was creeping along at a snails pace of perhaps 10 kph, and a space of 3 or 4 car lengths opened up in front of me and the lady behind me flew into a rage and honked her horn - I was apparently supposed to tailgate the guy ahead of me with no space between our vehicles. Wow. It must be something in the air there...
  6. Andre Carrel from Salmo, Canada writes: A T from Victoria, Canada writes: what a tragic and sad event.

    I would not call the event tragic and sad, A T. It is not a case of a mechanical failure of the vehciles' brakes or accelerators. The causes of this (and similar) events are deliberate and human. You see something you do not like and you step on it. You get even. You ratchet up the confrontation. You intimidate. You bully. I'm gonna get that S.O.B.
    The consequences for the affected families are tragic and sad, but the event is cause by deliberate human action, by decisions made between the ears of skulls in urgent need of examination.
  7. Down Town from Canada writes: What's sad is that the other car fled the scene, instead of stopping to help the person who ultimately died. Utterly shameful.

    T from Victoria, Canada writes: one would think there would be next to no one on the highway at that time.

    Maybe not in sleepy Victoria, but there are plenty of cars and trucks on the 401 at that hour, especially eastbound (i.e. going into the city).

    Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, Canada writes: It must be something in the air there...

    No, jerks can be found anywhere. Look in the mirror, for instance...
  8. Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, Canada writes: 'No, jerks can be found anywhere. Look in the mirror, for instance...'

    Oh my! You must be from Tor-rah-na. Heh heh...
    ==
  9. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    So which one is Canada's Worst Driver?
  10. S Van GOOGLE from Wallis And Futuna Islands writes: Best comment of the day 'Stude Columbo'

    Tragic would have been if these idiots hurt someone else.

    401/Queensway is some of the maddest driving i have ever done.. AFter spending years in TO, Van is a snails pace in comparison now..
  11. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, I see your from Halifax. I used to live in Halifax but grew up and learned to drive in Toronto. Evidently you didn't pick up your Toronto drivers handbook when you went there. Toronto and Montreal have different rules than the rest of Canada. In Montreal you have to drive like your in the Daytona 500. Hit that gas pedal and stay right on the bumper in front of you. Yellow lights mean see how fast your car can go, red lights mean 4 more cars can go through as fast as their cars can go and stop signs just look pretty but serve no real function. In Toronto, from 6:00am to 6:00pm the 401 is clogged and at a crawl. Your supposed to change lanes as often as you can in order to help mess up the traffic further, stay on the bumper in front of you, if you can see his rear tires, your WAY too far behind. Indicate only after you've turned but if you leave your indicator on all day then your good for the month, you don't need to indicate. If you see a snowflake, hammer on your brakes as hard as you can and reduce your speed to 10km\h and don't forget to change lanes frequently. Answer your cell phone, put on make up, eat lunch or even watch a movie but most of all, if you see an accident, hammer on the brakes again and crane your neck out the window as you go by as slow as possible. Don't forget to change lanes frequently without indicating and if the accident is on your side of the road then do everything in your power not to let people in from the closed lane. If one should happen to get in front of you, blow your horn as long as they are in front of you, stick your head out the window and curse at them, the 'F' word can be used as a noun, and salute them frequently with your middle finger while banging on your steering wheel. Follow those rules and you should be fine. Halifax drivers are curtious and follow the actual rules. They have no place driving in Toronto with the lunatics.
  12. Carl White from Canada writes: It's so easy to set people off on the road these days.

    An example: in the start and stop traffic that passes for highway commuting here these days, I sometimes try to set a steady pace by rolling forward more slowly, arriving close to the guy ahead just as he starts moving again. Saves on gasoline and wear to the brakes.

    Some trailing people just can't stand this. Somehow, if you're not four feet behind the car ahead, you're not going fast enough, even if you catch up over and over again and it obviously makes no difference in terms of time.

    I don't understand the mentality behind it.
  13. dean spence from Canada writes: No one else injured, just the people that were endangering the lives of the rest of us. Hard to view it as a tragedy. Feel free to call me insensitive. but this is no different than pointing a loaded weapon at someone.
  14. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: dean spence from Canada, I tend to agree 100%. I find it hard to feel bad or sorry for idiots behaving badly and endangering others.
  15. John Smith from Canada writes: S Van GOOGLE from Wallis And Futuna Islands, that must have been some driving you were doing in Toronto since 401 and The Queensway both run east-west and never intersect. Perhaps you mean the 427 (you would love it even more these days with the construction)

    S.L. S from Small Town, you have (unfortunately) summed up the Toronto Handbook to 'Better' Driving to perfection.
  16. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: John Smith from Canada, thanks. Like I said, I learned to drive in Toronto. I had my eyes opened after I moved away from Toronto and lived in every other province of this country except Quebec. I was in the military and we got posted alot. Had to pass threw Montreal though. That gets the old heart racing.
  17. A T from Victoria, Canada writes: sorry for living in 'sleepy' Victoria downtown, forgot Torontoians have little in the way of a life and are commuting for hours a day, sorry, I would so much be rather on the lovely 401 stuck in traffic then walking along the ocean after work!
  18. APP * from Canada writes: judging by the comment rage its no wonder certain mentalities are taken to the roadway.
  19. John Smith from Canada writes: S.L. S from Small Town, with all due respect, I have about 35 years of Toronto driving experience and can say from my anecdotal survey of regular driving the issue is not immigration and different driving standards. Toronto it seems has always had poor drivers in my opinion, regardless of race or ethnicity. And unfortunately today, there seems to be a increasingly prevalent attitude that anyone who drives politely or within the rules is a 'sucker'.

    And the extreme road rage I would say has a socio-economic edge, the high edge and low edge - white guys driving a BMW etc or white guys driving a pick-up truck. Ignorance with an attitude.
  20. S W from Canada, Canada writes: Carl White... Ever been shopping on a Saturday or Sunday in Urbania? The shoppers I've seen are the same nutters that go out and get behind the wheel any day of the week and drive the way many dread.

    Here is the tip you need. It isn't from highway driving, it is learned in the supermarket! YES!

    The closer you are to the person and their cart ahead of you, the sooner the cashier will take you. !!! Can you dig it Bab-be! LOL!

    I AM CONVINCED that many actually think that way. My nudged and nicked ankles agree.

    Now apply this to driving on the 401. It has to have been learned from somewhere. I say it was in the supermarket. Likely learned as a wee kiddie while grabbing at the candy or while Mom was yanking them along closer and closer to give some notion of progress.

    What do you bet?!

    LOL!!!!
  21. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: A bunch of us went to the camel races while we were in Kuwait. Figured, 'hey, gotta see this'. There is no seating. Instead people board trucks, cars or opened window buses. The cars, trucks and buses race around the outside and inside of the track following the race as it goes on. People were clinging to the side of the bus, on the roofs of cars and trucks and most of the trucks were over filled flat beds with no sides on them. It was the single most dangerous thing I've ever seen in my life. People were flying off vehicles as they raced around in a circle following the race with dust and dirt flying up all over the place. Needless to say we didn't stick around to watch the camel races. By the way, camels can run REAL fast. We watched the first race and the cars and ambulance leaving with injured spectators and figured it would be safer to drink the water or eat from the vending carts on the street corners. It was the most insane thing I've ever seen. Made Toronto drivers look REAL good.
  22. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: John Smith from Canada, that was something I noted many years ago. The last time I drove in Toronto was 8 years ago. I'll trust what your telling me to be accurate since you drive there alot more often than I do. I also have to admit that your theory rings true from my own experiences as well but that I had just never looked at it that way before. The socio-economics part I mean. Makes perfect sense.
  23. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: S W from Canada, Canada, good one about the supermarkets. I never thought of that. Your dead on and gave me a good chuckle.
  24. Summer of Discontent from Ottawa, Canada writes: So, we have one less road rage driver now on the 401.

    The guy in the red car will soon enough face the same end for being an idiot at the wheel... though he'll probably take someone else with him in the process.

    Instead of banning handguns, cigarettes, etc... McGuinty should actually ban any high-powered cars or SUV's from the road in Ontario. More deaths are attributed to reckless driving than 'criminal acts' with guns in Ontario.... most likely a few less suped-up sports cars/SUV's would even benefit the environment.
  25. mel kenyon from United States writes: Well, at least the SUV lost
  26. Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, Canada writes: S.L. S from Small Town... Ha ha ha. That was a great and accurate description of motoring in the Upper Kanada. I go to 'Trah-na' for some excitement once in a while. When I get to Montreal suddenly the cars are moving so fast they are just blurs. If you're not doing 120 kph in an 80 speed zone they will run right over you. The semi-trailers come up behind you so close they are touching your rear bumper. I like the stretches near 'Trah-na' with the little Chevrons painted on the pavement. The signs say you are supposed to keep back from the car ahead by one chevron for each 10 klicks of speed. Ha ha! What people do is follow so close they can't see any chevrons! Life in the fast lane...
  27. George BrownIII from Christmas Island writes: SLS, you made it abundantly clear hey you found your calling i bet dont own a car let alone a tricicle.
  28. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, there are chevrons painted on the 401? Huh, never noticed that before. Just kidding. Threw my years of travelling around the country I've learned how to drive properly, not like I did when I was younger and in the GTA. I look back now and have to admit that I was as bad as those I now complain about. I live in a small town now. To go from one end of town to the other only takes about 10 or 15 minutes. A traffic jam here is 3 cars at a red light. Still I see road rage incidents. People are always in such a rush. Rushin to get to work, never could figure that one out, it's work. Rushing to get home from work, rushing to the store, rushing to pick up the kids, rushing to drop the kids off. Why not just leave a few minutes earlier? Best drivers I noticed were in Halifax and in Victoria. Must be a coastal thing. Beautiful views and all so why rush. Only problem I ever had in Halifax was crossing from Dartmouth to Halifax and a guy tossed his token out and missed the basket. Had to stop and get out, walk back and pick it up. That's my Halifax, driving horror story.
  29. E. Biggs from Canada writes: I was just coming down 16th Ave here in Sounth Surrey, it is a two lane road and large transport trucks turning left to get to the border, they have the entire lane blocked.

    I stop and note a four wheel safety truck behind me with red cones on board, it is the kind that carry the traffic control girls. She starts to honk at me and waving her hands that I am to leave the road and go over land over the curb and onto the shoulder of the road which is not too wide.

    My little vehicle has low clearance but that has no impact on her she still honks.

    I am getting better and older as there was a time when I would have got out and had a discussion and if it had been a guy some physical fun would have ensued.

    Old age mellows us but these young ones girls and guys need a little work.
  30. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: E. Biggs from Canada, old age mellows us out and also enlightens us to the fact that we shouldn't rush life but rather enjoy it. I enjoy driving to and from work. Lots to see and enjoy if your not in a big hurry. That's really all the driving we do. We walk everywhere else pretty much.
  31. B Johnson from Halifax, Canada writes: S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: Halifax drivers are curtious and follow the actual rules.

    Obviously you haven't driven in Hfx in the past few yrs. Drivers here are just atrocious, antsy, and agressive as anywhere else in the country. Unfortunately, they are also UNPREDICTABLE which is super dangerous. At least in Montreal (where I drove for 15 yrs.), the drivers are fast but predictable.
  32. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: B Johnson from Halifax, we moved to Sask 8 years ago so things must have changed since then. They used to be good drivers there. Your right about Montreal. Once you figure it all out they are predictable except at lights. You never know what's going to happen at lights in Montreal or how many will blow threw the red before you can go on the green. That's too bad about Halifax, that was one of it's biggest attributes, polite, curteous drivers.
  33. Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, Canada writes: S.L. S, I think those chevrons on the 401 are put on there with a special kind of paint that is invisible to people from 'Tra-na'. heh heh. Here on the coast I drive 90 klicks on the (so-called) highway. It's nice to relax and enjoy the scenery instead of having my eyes glued to a bumper in front of me for 3 hours. I never understood that kind of driving. And I find I get 10% better gas mileage driving 90 instead of 100. On the 401 of course I'd be pushed off the road by a semi-trailer. The truckers would think I was parked at that speed. heh heh... As gas gets increasingly expensive there will eventually probably be conservation measures like a 90 kph speed limit or maybe less.
  34. A Happier Place from Canada writes: My dad used to get road rage all the time when he was younger and it terrified me. He was born Canadian and middle class. I'm not sure that you can generalize about the demographics of someone with road rage....it might be more of a psychological issue (i.e. tendency to totally lose control of oneself) than a socio-economic or cultural one. Road rage is a very particular type of bad driving (it's not street racing or speeding or neglecting to check your blind spots). This recent situation is very sad.
  35. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: I think you have bad drivers no matter where you are. Here it's the elderly. We have alot of old age homes in town here and they all have the biggest cars on the market. Most of the time all you see is a shinny head or a tuft of blue hair threw the steering wheel. Alot of times it looks the car has no driver at all. They drive down the middle of 4 lane roads because they can remember when it was a two lane road. People have alot of patience and you ddon't hear much honking. Most people take special care when they are driving near because unpredictable actions usually happen from them. The middle aged and younger drivers learn quickly to drive defensively around them. Everywhere is going to have it's demographic of bad drivers. You just need to learn their ways and defend against them.
  36. Col T from Canada writes: Sad, but on the bright side - two more dangerous drivers off the road. It's like when the gangs shoot each other - I don't have much sympathy for people whose own lack of self-control leads to their downfall.
  37. Two Creeks from Canada writes: this is a every day event on the 401.... jerks with cars.
  38. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: A Happier Place from Canada, I think it depends on where you are. In Toronto I feel it is a demographic. I do agree that in some cases it is a psychological issue and yes, it is a very specific and dangerous type of driving. It can also be very situational in many cases. What kind of day has the person had, what other issues is the person up against and what is the urgency of their trip with relation to impedences. There are alot of factors to the issue and the more I think about it the more I realize that my earlier post regarding immigrants was terribly wrong. Although previous driving experience in other countries with more open driving laws could add to the problem it's certainly not the only cause and it was unfair for me to bulk that demographic. My appologies.
  39. P A from Whitby, Canada writes: Very tragic but oh so common in the GTA. Of course we do have nice photo ops with Fantino on a motorbike, lots of media releases from the OPP around long weekends telling us about the hazards and penalties of aggressive driving, but all of this is just great art, good sound - nothing of substance. As an ex-MTO staff member and a person who worked in BC and MB promoting road safety, the GTA is the land that time forgot in terms of road safety. Unfortunately, GTA drivers expect to travel at least 20km/hr over the limit and would be astounded if they ever got pulled over for aggressive driving, finessing a stop sign, unsafe lane change, running an amber light (the list goes on). The bottome line - we have the driving culture we want here in the GTA, and both the drivers, the police and the politicians accept the losses that ensue. Sad but true.
  40. lost in the colonies from cOwgary, Canada writes: i've been following the comments and i don't agree about montreal - they are fast but for the most part very situationally aware and will let people in even if you are being aggressive - the idiots come out on the freeways on the weekends and people just drive around them not much horn honking either.

    seems to me that montreal driving is what big city driving should be like.

    dunno if people know but people in germany have to spend as much time getting driving instruction as you do to get some types of pilots licenses here. in cowgary the dominant driving mentality is indifference and little or no situational awareness . . . . me me me the rules are for everybody else
  41. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: lost in the colonies from cOwgary, Montreal has two types of driving, highway driving, which as you say, is fast but curteous. I'll admit that highway driving in Montreal is kind of fun. They go well beyond the speed limit but if you keep up with the flow, your safe. City driving on the other hand is a whole new ball game and excessively dangerous. The lack of regard for traffic signs and lights is amazing and obscenely dangerous. So Montreal driving is, highway safe and fun, city is scarey and dangerous.
  42. C M from Calgary, Canada writes: Carl White from Canada writes: 'It's so easy to set people off on the road these days.'

    Tell me about it - some guy in a massive pick up truck honked the hell out of his horn at me the other day because I had the audacity to actually yield to at a Yield sign (and yes, it was because there were other vehicles who had the right of way over me).....why is everybody always in such a bloody rush?
  43. Tom the Atheist from all over, Canada writes:
    >
    Getting back on topic:

    'Smokezz from Southern Ontario from Canada writes: So... they're both trying to run each other off the road, and the guy in the SUV wasn't wearing his seat belt? Sounds like Darwin got his way.'

    You beat me to it, Mr. S. People who aren't bright enough to wear their seatbelt are gradually removing themselves from the gene pool and becoming extinct. Darwin lives!

    Looks to me like that crash was survivable, based on the pic of the SUV. If you were belted in, of course.
  44. D M from Toronto, Canada writes: APP * from Canada writes: judging by the comment rage its no wonder certain mentalities are taken to the roadway.
    --------------------------
    I would have to agree.

    Our society has lost two key elements - grace and courtesy. It used to be that if people disagreed, they could work together to find a solution. No longer... now we are 'offended' and we demand 'justice'.

    Read 'revenge' for justice.

    These are the rules of the road. These are the rules of interacting with the neighbour. These are the rules of interacting on this forum...

    I hope that the next time someone does something selfish that I have the grace and the courtesy to let it slide (or let them know in a gracious manner). I hope the next time I'm ignorant to my own selfish attitude someone else demonstrates the grace and courtesy as well (or let me know in a gracious manner).

    -------------------

    From the media accounts these individuals were acting irresponsibly. The death and the lifelong implications are still tremendously sad. Just because someone does something stupid does not mean that it is not sad.
  45. Shawn W from Toronto, Canada writes: Totally senseless tragedy - I hope they make an example of this loser and put him away for a good long time. What an idiot!
  46. Joe Liberali from Canada writes: Toast And coffee from Somewhere, Canada writes: Stude Columbo?

    I have never actually laughed out loud while reading these comments. Well done! :)
  47. B Johnson from Halifax, Canada writes: LOL S.L. S from Small Town I hear you about the older drivers. I call them HATS b/c most of the time all you can see is the hats they wear. Everybody knows who they are and understands that they can be unpredictable ... at best. At least anyone with a brain knows that.

    It reminds me of a funny story. My neighbor is an elderly woman who drives a BOAT. She was under the weather recently and asked me to pick up some groceries for her. She insisted I take her BOAT and not 'waste my gas' LOL. I took her car out on the 102 to decarbonized the monster. Get this ... it was a 1988 Monte Carlo SS with a 350 and dual exhaust. Man that thing was hot. She never drove it over 60kmh. At 120 there was a loud bang and a puff of black smoke out of the exhaust. She got her groceries and a clean carb to boot, but don't tell her that :).
  48. harry carnie from Northern, B.C., Canada writes: Smokezz..............Good post...AGREE!

    It is wonderful when the nuts kill themselves, or each other......rather than some poor innocent ..as is what usually happens
  49. grider _ from Canada writes: This is a tragedy and hard to really believe that road rage lead to someone's death today. There is absolutely no excuse for this road rage.

    That said, in the GTA we have a completely inadequate transportation system (both roads and public transit) that creates an average 1-3 hours to cross the city at the beginning and end of every business day. i.e. the perfect environment to stretch everyone's temper to the point that road rage is a frequent occurrence.

    We must improve the transportation system to facilitate reasonable transit times if we are to have a meaningful impact to reduce road rage.
  50. Allen Jones from Toronto, Canada writes: I think that the underlying reason we have so many fatalities on our roads is that we have set the bar too low for obtaining a license. There are too many people who clearly shouldn't have licenses on our roads. Make it more difficult to get a driver's license and you will decrease the number of people driving. This eases congestion and reduces road rage. Oh yes, anyone who wants a license should pass a psych exam as well as a road test.

    I prefer the European drivers. They drive quickly and sometimes aggressively but they drive with purpose and skill rarely seen over here.
  51. Barclay Logan from Bewdley, Canada writes: I had the extreme misfortune to have to commute into Toronto for two weeks in June. Since I get around by bicycle and transit when in town, I have to say the experience was terrifying -- some kind of deadly roller-derby, with horns blaring, drivers glued to my rear bumper, and quaint gestures -- and I hope it never happens again.

    We have too many people here, and the urban sprawl means Barrie to Toronto is just part of some folks' work day. When passed by some finger-waving, horns-a-blaring lunatic, I smile and wave. Strangely, this makes them angrier, but I'm not changing my overly-cautious driving style. As with riding the bike, my attitude is, 'Everyone's trying to kill me'.

    We have like-minded drivers here as well, people who let you into a lane, people who don't get excited when you don't move as quickly as you could, etc. I think commuting long distances to work in the GTA, while it may be a necessity, is crazy ...
  52. daniel saliken from Vancouver, Canada writes: SLS: Great story about the Camel races in Kuwait. Different cultures can be an eye opener to human behaviour. I was driving in Austrailia with a buddy and we couldn't get over the aggressive driving by the big trucks. We are youngish men who don't intimidate easy and it was freaky to have these trucks at 100K on windy mountain roads right on your bumper. Anyway Austrailia is still in 1955 for just about every social aspect and I couldn't help note the irony that an hour out of Sydney we got stuck in a traffic jam caused by a horrible crash. We can see the smoke rising and rescue helicopters. 9 dead - burnt to death, many injured as a big truck ran over a car and then a huge pile up ensued. Its clear that at 10AM we are stuck for the next 10 hours unless we find a way around. Meanwhile Ozzies start pulling lawn chairs and coolers of beer out of cars and it turns into a drinking party in the hot morning sun. My buddy is kind of typical anal Canadian by their standards because he wants to do something today so he is asking the other drivers about a road on the map that appears to effectivley and easily detour for a few miles around the crash. All these beer drinking Ozzies start to get really irritated with my buddy and start telling him to shut up about the map and have a beer. Pretty soon construction guys, bankers in suits are all drinking beers that came out of trunks and its getting emotionally ugly as they want my friend to learn to just accept that its a day off work now. In the end we found the road and went on our way, but I never forgot what a surreal cultural experience I had that day. We left them all to drink teh day away while we took the detour and were in Sydney two hours later.
  53. Jacob J from Toronto, Canada writes: ' Toast And coffee from Somewhere, Canada writes: Stude Columbo?'

    I hereby declare your comment the funniest ever posted on GlobeandMail.com.
    Congrats :)
    lololol
  54. No comment from Canada writes: Give the guilty jerk a Soweto necklace, made from the tires and gasoline from the dead idiot's vehicle. A horrific crime deserving of an equally horrific punishment.
  55. Spence Cole from Vancouver, Canada writes: Another story of the mean streets of Toronto. Whether it be road rage, cops on the take, high taxes such as a city land transfer tax, CEOs racking in a fortune while laying off thousands, its that Toronto, get 'im before he gets me lifestyle, the money-is-better-in-my pocket than it is in yours attitude. Scary, violent place with creepy people.
  56. Darren Buttigieg from Canada writes: I gave up owning a car along time ago, and I never looked back.
  57. Darren Buttigieg from Canada writes: Spence, we're not all that bad.
  58. Vote NDP in the next federal/ provincial election from Toronto, Canada writes: If this driver is convicted then the most acceptable consequence if permenant driving bans.
  59. Claudio Ruiz-Pilarte from Toronto, Canada writes: It's funny to see how the report of an accident involving road rage degenerates into a TO bashing session. For those who dislike TO out of whatever reason. Stay where you are. No one is telling you to move here. So, spare us your irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the story. Road rage may not happen in small town for obvious reasons, but it doesn't mean that people there are immune from flying off the handle and acting all irrational.
  60. Jack Rip from Vancouver, Canada writes: Well, at least everybody who posted is a good driver. Can't ask for more than that. A favourite watercooler pastime here in Vancouver is complaining how badly everyone else in the universe drives.
  61. Helen From TO from Toronto, Canada writes: for Spence Cole in Vancouver.. Yikes!! You gave me the best laugh of the day. Just so you know most people commuting on the 401 are not Torontonians, that's why they commute. And just so you know a little more, crime, greed, malfeasance, road rage etc. etc. can happen anywhere there are roads, people, money, whatever. No statistical proof handy but my experience has been that most Torontonians seem to come from someplace else. Me too! We're actually pretty nice here and we do find time to enjoy our waterfront, parks, world class jazz festivals and so much more. Link to the Tourism Toronto site to see for yourself. Condemn the road ragers wherever they are but there are some great folks here.
  62. jimmie rabbit from toronto, Canada writes: S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: Mister Nostradamus from Halifax, I see your from Halifax. I used to live in Halifax but grew up and learned to drive in Toronto. Evidently you didn't pick up your Toronto drivers handbook when you went there. Toronto and Montreal have different rules than the rest of Canada. In Montreal you have to drive like your in the Daytona 500. Hit that gas pedal and stay right on the bumper in front of you. Yellow lights mean see how fast your car can go, red lights mean 4 more cars can go through as fast as their cars can go and stop signs just look pretty but serve no real function. In Toronto, from 6:00am to 6:00pm the 401 is clogged and at a crawl. Your supposed to change lanes as often as you can in order to help mess up the traffic further, stay on the bumper in front of you, if you can see his rear tires, your WAY too far behind. Indicate only after you've turned but if you leave your indicator on all day then your good for the month, you don't need to indicate. If you see a snowflake, hammer on your brakes as hard as you can and reduce your speed to 10km\h and don't forget to change lanes frequently. Answer your cell phone, put on make up, eat lunch or even watch a movie but most of all, if you see an accident, hammer on the brakes again and crane your neck out the window as you go by as slow as possible. Don't forget to change lanes frequently without indicating and if the accident is on your side of the road then do everything in your power not to let people in from the closed lane. If one should happen to get in front of you, blow your horn as long as they are in front of you, stick your head out the window and curse at them, the 'F' word can be used as a noun, and salute them frequently with your middle finger while banging on your steering wheel. Follow those rules and you should be fine. Halifax drivers are curtious and follow the actual rules. They have no place driving in Toronto with the lunatics. >>LMAO
  63. Becoming themedia from Calgary, Canada writes: Whoa, harsh way to go, but have agree with others on this thread this is simply Darwin's natural selection at work and the same theory should apply to the driver of the Pontiac if he is indeed guilty of this.
    Here in Cowtown it's not that bad, yet but coming home today a 'lady' in a Chevy Assalanche leaned on her horn because I had the nerve to stop and allow a cyclist to cross the street.
    Guess I supposed to clear that with her or something instead of taking away 10 seconds she'll never get back.

    Memo to hotheads in large SUV's - When road raging in a large, tippy and unsafe thing such as a Chevy Suburban, you may want to strap on that seat belt and prepare for the inevitable rollover - Just a thought.
  64. John Smith from Canada writes: Way to keep being civil Becoming themedia from Calgary. Just think, you did something nice for someone, and pi..ed off an a..hole. I think they call this a win-win situation.
  65. C J from Canada writes: People get so angry so easily nowadays.
  66. That Guy from Hamilton, Canada writes: John Smith from Canada writes: S Van GOOGLE from Wallis And Futuna Islands, that must have been some driving you were doing in Toronto since 401 and The Queensway both run east-west and never intersect.

    He said 401/Queensway. That means and/or for people that understand english. Commited road rage yourself lately?
  67. Joe V from Canada writes: This guy deserves to be executed. Society would be better off without him.
  68. Paul Bowler from Canberra, Australia writes: I detect that the "conversation" has drifted from the facts of the incident - road rage at 5:00am ending in a fatality - to a related issue, namely that of driving standards in general, and those of the citizens of GTA and other provincial capitols in particular. Having driven (safely, and survived) in all of the cited areas, I can agree that the general quality of driving is not good - the main transgression appears to be speed, OPP notwithstanding! I try to apply the "2 second rule" - keeping at least 2 seconds behind the vehicle in front - and wishing that drivers following me would do the same! It does not work on the 401, in either direction - not with 2,3,4 or 6 lanes each way! The worst offenders are semi's (tractor-trailers?) - ever looked in the rear-view mirror, travelling at 100km/hr, and seen only the letters "C A" ? The full word is "K C A M " which is "M A C K"( in reverse!) on the front of the truck which is following you!! Drivers like that should never be allowed on the road! Driving in Ottawa is pretty good (although last time I was there I'm sure a couple of important ( to me) direction signs were missing. However, once across the river into Hull - they should rename that place Le Mans!! Guess I'll stay away this year.
  69. Tracy Bracy from Toronto, Canada writes: Give me a break! Everyone is potentially a dangerous driver. The faster you get certain people off the road like the police like to do the faster more take their place. Normal people usually take their place. THis is just a part of driving. People have to stay calm and forget about social things that divide people. Rules on the road take priority no matter what. Also, roads dont make driving any easier. I find drivers have to be more than what they are expected to be to survive the drive home or to wherever. What I like is when you bump into a car and there happens to be a cop and he walks over and says " no charges" and drives off, then the guy in the car jumps out and beats you to death.
  70. Fake Name from Canada writes: Too bad this guy survived. He'll probably get six months to a year, and be out to do it again.
  71. Hap Stokes from Canada writes: B Johnson from Halifax, Canada writes: LOL S.L. S from Small Town I hear you about the older drivers. I call them HATS b/c most of the time all you can see is the hats they wear. Everybody knows who they are and understands that they can be unpredictable ... at best. At least anyone with a brain knows that.

    Now you guys just back off on us old gophers. I know I am a bad driver that's why I've spent a small fortune going to Colorado every million miles to upgrade with other pros. Costly $25-28G but you meet the nicest people that are bad drivers also. Once on a course with AJ Foyt just after he won his 2nd Indy 500. Another course had an F1 driver from Europe getting hints/tips from other experts.

    First thing you learn is you are not as good as you thought you were Once you understand how stupid and incompetent you are then you are ready to learn how to not be so stupid behind the wheel. And you can really learn a lot you never guessed existed back in the days when you thought you were a GOOD DRIVER.

    There is an 80 yr old trucker here in BC, he's had 5 driving courses and by now he is nearing 9 million miles. That would take the avg car driver about 900 years. Or a cop or taxi driver 180 yrs.

    Five days a week he leaves Vanc and drives to Oregon unloads and reloads and goes back home for supper. Since he's an old man you young guys should be able to pass him. He rarely goes over a 100 MPG.-- You can do it you young guys--NOT

    Or bet me $10G and you follow me to Montreal, if you get to Mtl and back to the Pacific before I do, then you can keep the money. Don't be scared guys, I'm a 71 yr old man.--Hey make it $20G, I want a holiday and you can pay for it.--Tell me how great you can drive!

    NOTE: That 80 yr old has never even had a fender bender. I've had 3 minor dent ups all when I was in my 20's--Nothing for the last 5 million miles though. Yup, I'm a very FAST driver 6 days there and back CAN U? (yun'en)
  72. Dick Garneau from Canada writes: In Calgary you seldom hear a car horn sound, everyone is very patient, as most roads are under construction.

    Now Toronto loves the horn and the 401 is, take your life in your own hands.

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  73. Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    CANADIAN TROOPS OFF THE 401 NOW!!!

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