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Bomber hoped to destroy Kabul embassy: India

JASON STRAZIUSO

Associated Press

Latest comment posted at 7:18 AM EST 11/07/08

Indian ambassador Jayant Prasad also said the death toll from Monday's bombing had risen to 58, up from 41, after several people died of their wounds ...Read the full article

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  1. The NeoCynic from Cayman Islands writes:

    The Taliban were Pakistan's ISI baby, and if India presumes too much in Afghanistan, it will meet with the same fate that awaits us and the Americans, a slow painful death of a thousand cuts by suicide bombs, IEDs, and the eternal hatred of the Afghan people.

    There is nothing to be won for us in Afghanistan. If the Americans think that with a unilateral declaration of "Victory" in Iraq will allow us all to forgive and forget as they turn their guns on the Afghans as a matter of political diversion and political "optics", they will be met with yet another Iraq: utter, catastrophic defeat.

    Hmmm, that would make it three "Vietnams" in just over 30 years. What empire can sustain such humiliating defeats, time after time after time...
  2. ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada writes: The Afghan people, including the much-demonized Taliban, are but pawns in this great game being played by outside countries for their own interests, including the US, UK, Pakistan, India, etc.

    They have been made to suffer brutal war for 30 long years since the US covertly destabilized their country "to induce a Soviet military intervention" with the cruel intention of imposing a long and terrible war.

    "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise."

    - Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski

    "That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap .... The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."

    - Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski

    Canada should have no part in this dishonorable game. It is not the way of our country.
  3. H Chauhan from Toronto, Canada writes: The Neocynic and IAM CANADIAN appear to not like the fact that Afghans are trying to stand on their own feet with the help of some other nations other than Pakistan. ISI created Taliban so that Pakistan could have Afghans in their pockets. The loss of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was
    too much to bear so they tried to compensate for it by keeping Afghans dependent upon them and feel big. Not for a minute any one can believe that the Pakistan government and ISI were unaware of what Osama bin Laden was upto in A'Stan before 9/11.
    Obviously all these posters who want Canadian soldiers to leave A'Stan to its own means, have their own agendas and loyalties to their old country.
  4. sur. kai from london, United Kingdom writes: H.Chauhan, I could not agree with you more, spot on . If Allied forces were to leave Afghanistan to day, there would be bloodshed unimaginable. The ones who are in favour of Allied forces to leave Afghanistan are mostly Muslim voices. You can guess why? India is not going to run out of Afghanistan, as Pakistan would want.
  5. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: H Chauhan writes, "ISI created Taliban so that Pakistan could have Afghans in their pockets." That's true... India backed the Northern Alliance so they could have Afghans in their pockets.

    "Obviously all these posters who want Canadian soldiers to leave A'Stan to its own means, have their own agendas and loyalties to their old country." True. Most posters do have loyalty to their old country. That's Canada.
  6. boris moris from vancouver, Canada writes: Canada committed a war crime as soon as they set foot on Afghan soil. Our mass media isn't allowed to tell the truth about this because we are no more than Uncle Sam's minions....giving the world's worst war criminals a tiny vestige of credibility. We are destroying whatever goodwill we once had as a nation.
  7. Troy Ackerman from Canada writes: boris moris from vancouver, Canada writes: Canada committed a war crime as soon as they set foot on Afghan soil. Our mass media isn't allowed to tell the truth about this because we are no more than Uncle Sam's minions....giving the world's worst war criminals a tiny vestige of credibility. We are destroying whatever goodwill we once had as a nation.__________________________________Oh, please. Are you serious or joking. That comment is so out to lunch. boris, do you really think you have a clue about the war??? It is obvious that you are just another poster with no knowledge at all on UN approved missions and how to fight a counter insurgency. I cannot believe that you buy into your own crap. Come on over, I will give you a guided tour of panj and Zhari and the other places and you can learn exactly what is happening over here. Trust me, it is a lot different from what this rag puts out.
  8. The NeoCynic from Cayman Islands writes:

    LOL! Re: Khadr Story

    Ah well, Canada stands silent as one of its child citizens is left to rot to (hopefully for the government) die a quiet death.

    No wonder the government resists release of its very own "interrogation" tapes, it being so obscene to anyone who believes in fundamental justice, it could qualify as kiddie porn for war mongers, like the many CAF members who post here.
  9. A good Canadian from Canada writes: boris moris from vancouver, Canada writes: Canada committed a war crime as soon as they set foot on Afghan soil.
    --------------------------------

    "War crime"? Hmm, really? In what way? Please tell me more. And while you are at it, explain to me the role of the UN in world affairs.
  10. Eddie Kated from Canada writes: The NeoCynic from Cayman Islands writes:

    LOL! Re: Khadr Story

    ____________________________________________________

    If you think Arar cost this country big bucks....just you wait. We will be paying this kids family back for generations.

    .
  11. Orest Zarowsky from Toronto, Canada writes: Meanwhile: "PM too bullish on Afghan challenge, critics warn".

    See the article here:

    theglobeandmail.com

    Quite interesting. And it begs the question of who is pushing Stevie. And what Steveie's agenda really is.

    H Chauhan and sur. kai are, out of their own mouths, stupid enough to be classified as extremely determined Darwin Award Contenders. Especially in reference to their "criticism" of ImaCANADIAN's post.

    Which raises the important question: what is their agenda?

    One would think that the documented facts and history of recent events (the last 40 years or so) in Afghanistan should preclude the depths of stupidity and dishonesty of the comments made by far too many of the "pundits" posting on the subject.

    But then, most of it is driven by ideology and greed, so why am I surprised?

    As for Khadr, the recently released evidence sure does paint a pretty picture. Especially that bit that indicates that the death of the SF trooper may be a case of "friendly fire". But, WTF, we have a handy and easy scapegoat available. And look, his family were fans and associates of OBL and Al Queda. Bonus. An "Easy Out", as they say in baseball. But maybe not.

    Here's where it gets sticky: why are both the US and Canadian governments so reluctant to present their evidence? And why has it taken so long to even bring this to a hearing stage? And why was the judge that insited on rules being followed relieved of duty? Can you say "bogus" and "CYA", boys and girls?
  12. Hypo Critic from Canada writes: India is planning to revive the Iran - Pakistan - India natural gas pipeline. Which was dropped because of pressure from USA. But with the energy crisis, they have no choice. This move did upset the USA.
  13. Cyril Rufus from Canada writes: ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada gives two quotes from Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.

    Reputable sources please, if you actually have such sorces at all.
  14. Hypo Critic from Canada writes: The NeoCynic from Cayman Islands writes:
    There is nothing to be won for us in Afghanistan.

    NeoCynic, What about control of the strategic oil supply region and a drug business worth hundreds of billions of dollars???!!!

    Nothing to be won???

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7460682.stm
  15. Just Checking Things Out from Canada writes: And we'll take neoCynic from Cayman Islands word as the authority on kiddie porn.
  16. Random Observer from GTA, Canada writes: _ Hypo Critic from Canada writes: ..What about control of the strategic oil supply region and a drug business worth hundreds of billions of dollars???!!! .... _ What "strategic oil supply region"??? Please stop confusing A-tan with Iraq. Iraq war is for oil - A-tan war is response to 9/11. Different reason and different country. Canada is not in Iraq; we are in A-tan. Did you forget 9/11 already?? and the fact that Canadian died in 9/11. Before you take Saudi argument - A-tan was because AQ was sheltered there and to remove terrorist training camps in A-tan. I can provide you with documentation of 33 attempts before 9/11 reason with Taliban. If you want to quote PNAC strategy back, can you provide link for PNAC document related to A-tan before 9/11? I have the links for my argument. This "drug business worth hundred of billion" is new. So far I have heard - 9/11 was done by US, A-tan was for natural gas pipeline (people keep confusing natural gas with oil for some reason), PNAC strategy etc. None of them can stand upto any critical analysis. I can also provide you with document where US was applying presure on Taliban to stop drug trade before 9/11 that Taliban was resisting. So please put some thought in your response. No knee-jerk reactions and I don't respond to name calling.
  17. Random Observer from GTA, Canada writes: _ Hypo Critic from Canada writes: ..What about control of the strategic oil supply region and a drug business worth hundreds of billions of dollars???!!! .... _ What "strategic oil supply region"??? Please stop confusing A-tan with Iraq. Iraq war is for oil - A-tan war is response to 9/11. Different reason and different country. Canada is not in Iraq; we are in A-tan. Did you forget 9/11 already?? and the fact that Canadian died in 9/11. Before you take Saudi argument - A-tan was because AQ was sheltered there and to remove terrorist training camps in A-tan. I can provide you with documentation of 33 attempts before 9/11 reason with Taliban. If you want to quote PNAC strategy back, can you provide link for PNAC document related to A-tan before 9/11? I have the links for my argument. This "drug business worth hundred of billion" is new. So far I have heard - 9/11 was done by US, A-tan was for natural gas pipeline (people keep confusing natural gas with oil for some reason), PNAC strategy etc. None of them can stand upto any critical analysis. I can also provide you with document where US was applying presure on Taliban to stop drug trade before 9/11 that Taliban was resisting. So please put some thought in your response. No knee-jerk reactions and I don't respond to name calling.
  18. Random Observer from GTA, Canada writes: ImaCANADIAN ! from Canada, Try to get some more details, your info is dated. I have read the interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, that was for Mujahdeen movement at time of USSR in A-tan (around 1980). Taliban came into picture quite a bit later then that. It is creation of Pakistan. Here is the link http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB97/index.htm When Taliban initially came in power, Afghani were happy with them. But what they evolved into, Afghani did not like either. We (in West) did not care what they were doing in A-tan. Only problem for us (West) was that they choose to provide shelter to global jihadist like AQ and OBL. Before 9/11, there were about 33 attempts, spread over many years (mostly during Clinton's time), to get Taliban to kick out AQ. Here is link for that too. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB134/ None of them worked and then we have 9/11. Taliban were warned that they will be held responsible for actions of AQ if they did not control them in their area. Here is another link from someone who is closer to the area and not related to West. Read all of 3 pages. http://tinyurl.com/6448nf Canada went to A-tan for a good reason. Canadian government both Lib's and Con's (representing majority of Canada) have confirmed the mission atleast 3 times so far. This is a JUST war.
  19. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Orest Zarowsky - the Khadr family hates Canada - but they love our health care. Dad was killed fighting in Afghanistan. Mom brings son back to Canada for health care he needs because he was wounded fighting NATO forces. They should all have their citizenship revoked and be shipped back to Afghanistan.

    Of course India and Iran have their own agendas in providing assistance to Afghanistan. What is most important to the Afghan people is peace and security and a way to put food on the table. Most of them probably don't care who provides food, rebuilds roads or funds a pipeline or any other project that can help them have a better future. They want peace - they don't want the Taliban or their supporters the international jihadists controlling their country. If you look at their history they were modernizing and working toward a more democratic government until a communist support warlord forced the King out of Afghanistan and the conflict that opened the door to the Soviet invasion began. Those who are trying to disrupt the rebuilding process do not want India to help. It could be the ISI or al-Qaeda who planned this attack because they both don't want things to work in Afghanistan.
  20. Random Observer from GTA, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, R. Carriere had provided this link in a previous version of same story http://tinyurl.com/5oy4t3

    I was surprised to see that India is providing lots of financial aid to A-tan, but has not put any armed forces in A-tan. Here is some quotes from that link:

    _ It has pledged about US$750 million to Afghanistan's reconstruction since 2002 and is today the fifth-largest bilateral donor in Afghanistan after the United States, Britain, Japan and Germany. This places India among the big players in the country.

    'India's reconstruction strategy was designed to win over every sector of Afghan society, give India a high profile with Afghans, gain the maximum political advantage and, of course, undercut Pakistani influence,'
  21. Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Random Observer 'I was surprised to see that India is providing lots of financial aid to A-tan, but has not put any armed forces in A-tan.' This really should come as no surprise - putting troops on the ground in Afghanistan would make matters worse. The reaction in Pakistan to troops from India being involved is pretty predictable. As it is many of their reconstruction projects have been attacked on a regular basis. It is in everyone's best interests for them not to send troops.
  22. Udom Thongpai from Victoria, Canada writes: Catherine Medernach wrote, "They want peace - they don't want the Taliban or their supporters the international jihadists controlling their country."... Did you ever consider that they might not want Indians, americans, British or Canadians controlling their country? Maybe they want to control their own country all by themselves.
  23. Sydney R from Canada writes: India's large contributions in Afghanistan certainly don't appear to have any martial, hostile, or occupation overtones. So what's the excuse this time from the islamist people of peace?

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