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September by-elections would test election waters

JOAN BRYDEN

The Canadian Press

Latest comment posted at 12:28 PM EST 23/07/08

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  1. James Tod from Vancouver, Canada writes: Well we know that Dion will be running on the Liberals Green Shift Environmental Plan and Harper will be running from the Conservatives Green Shift Scheme (In-and-Out...)

    LOL, I know that's a terrible punchline but I just got off work!

    Cheers,
  2. Clod Hopper from Canada writes: Harper can just watch from the sidelines as the once mightly Quebec Liberal party tries to keep the NDP at bay...........

    Dion is the man............
  3. garlick toast from Canada writes: One for the libs,one for the bloc and one for the dippers.
  4. John Smith from Ottawa, Canada writes: "Mr. Smith said he'll be interested to see whether the Quebec by-elections are effected by the lingering scandal over former foreign affairs minister Maxime Bernier and his ex-girlfriend with ties to biker gangs."

    C'mon G&M bring back the Coulliard Twins. The way to make sure the CPC loses is to keep running pictures of the Twins. I'll make you a promise G&M, if you run picture of the Coulliard Twins once a week I promise not to vote CPC.
  5. kim batchelor from Canada writes: Carbon tax??
    My spouse travels to clients farms for work.
    That means morefor gas less for food whoopeee!!!
    Dion won'tbe getting our vote.
  6. pierre lefebvre from Brossard, Canada writes: By the time these by-elections take place the Dion revenue-neutral carbon tax momentum will be dead. Stephane will have lost his credibility and Westmount-Ville Marie riding. This sister riding to Outremont may end in NDP hands with the support of Thomas Mulcair. Imagine what this will do to LPC apparatchiks. Say goodbye to Stornoway Stephane and go back to teach Political Sciences you seem to master!
  7. Gabriel Granatstein from Westmount, Canada writes: I really believe that Marc Garneau is the right candidate for Westmount Ville-Marie. He is an honest passionate man who's lived in the riding for years. I respect the NDP candidate, but I think we'll be better served by Mr Garneau.
  8. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Will that unelected minister, Fortier, be running in one of the Quebec ridings?
  9. Kevin Desmoulin from Toronto, Canada writes: More election fraud?
  10. Cautionary Tale from Toronto, Canada writes: I hope Dion and his revenue-neutral Green Shift get what they deserve a good kick out. He can go to France and teach Political Science, maybe they will understand him there. He may have a PhD in Political Science but has no clue about politics.
  11. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: garlick:-- I've taken note of that - are you prepared to wager an elephant garlic bud if not braided length of same?

    pierre lefebvre:-- Are you suggesting that Mr. Dion had credibility but that he lost it by promoting a carbon tax? It seems to me that you earlier (before Mr. Dion's carbon tax proposal) suggested that Mr. Dion didn't have credibility. You seem a bit confused on the credibility issue, frankly.
  12. sharon blundt from calgary, Canada writes: Does the conservatives have a defining election issue that distinguishes them from the rest.. I don't think so. Where is the accountability when the government fails to fire negligent bureaucrats for billons of dollars of wasted dollars on runaway IT projects. It is amazing, how the intelligentia including the media fails to pick on the reports by the Public Accounts Committee or the auditor general on the bureaucratic bungling of billions of tax dollars by Treasury Board officials. Enron officials went to jail for fraud and negligence. In Oh Canada, bureaucrats get promoted and bonuses for wasting billions. Wake up Canadians. Sponsorship was a red herring.
  13. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Julie Coulliard has made it no secret that she has political aspirations. She would be a shoe-in for a seat and we'd have two more b**bs in the House for the price of one.
  14. bob london from Canada writes: 5:2 odds Cons. in Guelph. She has a nice smile and looks credible and looks as though she cares: He is a middle aged lawyer.
  15. Good Times, my Ladies. from Toronto, Canada writes: I will vote for the carbon tax, as I would like some of that Alberta Oil money in Ontario ....

    I am sick and tired of paying more money out to "have not" provinces ...

    Alberta Buddy, can you spare a dime?
  16. Dion or Dijon? Canada or France? from Canada writes: I know, I know, they could paint an ol' donkey red and still win the 'safe' riding for the Liberals. It's an old joke, but it stands the test of time.
    But little do the lemmings there know that Dion's summer barbecue circuit in which he keeps braying 'carbon tax' and 'green shaft' is making him look exactly like a donkey in most thinking voters' eyes.
    Bring on the red paint! The analogy is nearly complete.
    P.S.: And it's exceedingly rich to see Liberal apologists like 'diane marie' preaching to others about credibility! Diane, I certainly do appreciate your tenacity, but you have to pick your fights and stop leading with your chin in these debates ....
  17. garlick toast from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: garlick:-- I've taken note of that - are you prepared to wager an elephant garlic bud if not braided length of same?

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    Not sure I'll have enough to braid but I might bind a few with a clove hitch.
  18. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    I can't wait for the carbon tax! My family stands to keep an extra few thousand from our income taxes more than we spend thanks to making the right choices.
  19. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: Dion or Dijon? Canada or France? from Canada writes: I know, I know, they could paint an ol' donkey red and still win the 'safe' riding for the Liberals. It's an old joke, but it stands the test of time.
    But little do the lemmings there know that Dion's summer barbecue circuit in which he keeps braying 'carbon tax' and 'green shaft' is making him look exactly like a donkey in most thinking voters' eyes.
    Bring on the red paint! The analogy is nearly complete.
    P.S.: And it's exceedingly rich to see Liberal apologists like 'diane marie' preaching to others about credibility! Diane, I certainly do appreciate your tenacity, but you have to pick your fights and stop leading with your chin in these debates ....

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    You silly clownservative apologist - Diane Marie is pretty much the only non-partisan posting these days. What is it about her that ruffles your feathers so much? Is it because everything she posts are facts? We all know that silly clownservatives HATE facts!
  20. David K from Guelph, Canada writes: Guelph should be quite interesting as the Greens and the NDP both have strong candidates. Many people are PO'd with the Tories because they took their own sweet time calling the by-election and there was also a bit of a cloud over the candidate selection process for the Tories as the previously selected candidate got turfed out with no satisfactory explanation. It all hangs on the turnout as to who gets in. Hopefully the all candidates meetings won't be stacked with stooges and fellow travellers lined up at the microphones before the rest of us get a chance to speak.
  21. mike sty - from Canada writes: September by-elections..............................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I'm waiting for the main event,...........Dion vs TheLiar
  22. Dion or Dijon? Canada or France? from Canada writes: Hey there, Mr/Mrs. appropriately named 'I don't think' (you got that part of your name right at least :-))

    You're funny.

    You're most likely tubby.

    And you're beneath contempt for calling free expression 'hate'. it is a typical Liberal ploy for quenching any opposition to your social engineering, and it is losing steam in an era when you can only identify with marginalized radicals who bring every grievance they perceive is made against them to human rights tribunals.

    Serious debaters only please.
  23. Rona Baird-Zundel from Arvida, Canada writes: We'll get to see how Canadian electors in these three ridings reward the neo-Cons for putting our whole food supply at risk with their scheme to download all monitoring and testing onto the suppliers, importers, party flunkies, etc..
  24. Dion or Dijon? Canada or France? from Canada writes: PS: You're also a fool for saying diane marie is a non-partisan poster. Even she might disagree with you on that, if she were honest at all.
  25. mike sty - from Canada writes: David K from Guelph, Canada writes: Guelph should be quite interesting as the Greens and the NDP both have strong candidates. Many people are PO'd with the Tories because ..........there was also a bit of a cloud over the candidate selection process.............................................................................................

    You wouldn't be talking about the democraticlly selected Mark Warner who was dumped by Harper for not following CONservative prescripted talking points???????
  26. siren call from Canada writes: Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Will that unelected minister, Fortier, be running in one of the Quebec ridings?
    ...................................

    According to the article: NO.

    Unelected & unaccountable Senator Fortier (who so despises the Senate he rarely shows for sittings) has had a free ride for 2.5 years now!

    Oh, well. He's only the Minister of Public Pork, er Public Works.
    A portfolio in which both Libs and Cons get into trouble.

    So, no worries, I'm sure.
  27. garlick toast from Canada writes: Harper didn't want bi-elections,he thinks they should be hetero.
  28. siren call from Canada writes:
    Maybe they'll be, bye bye Cons, elections?
  29. CM Chen from Toronto, Canada writes: Typical candidates profiles:

    Liberals: ex-lawyers / professors who believe in religion of global warming

    Tories: little known local politicians with biker chick girlfriends

    NDP: ex CBC Radio personalities that profess unbias views
  30. scott thomas from Canada writes: While Senator Smith is wondering whether the Quebec by-elections are effected by the lingering scandal, I'm wondering if literacy levels are affected by the Globe's poor spelling.
  31. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Dion or Dijon?:-- Sure, I'm partisan. I have no use for populism, I'm a social liberal, and I have no wish to see religion play a role in government (other than there being a legislated freedom to have a religion). Insofar as I have not adopted the moniker, "Harper or Hater?" or the like, I'll put my non-partisan credentials up against yours any day.
  32. Nassar Ben Houdja from Canada writes: The song "I've got a loverly bunch of coconuts" makes good background music while reading this article.
  33. D JL from Canada writes: I think everyone should now wait until fall 2009..unless one or the other parties does something real stupid. The Cons. have one more budget. Let's see what it looks like. Dion still needs to work on the "Green Shift". Conv. can't promise tax cuts now. Or we end up in deficit.. a killer option.
  34. Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    That's interesting.

    Westmount-wherever could go to the NDP.

    St. Lambert may go to the CPC, the Bloc won that seat out of Adscam anger. Or back to the LPC.

    Guelph may definitely go CPC. But the LPC are closer.

    This is a great little sideshow.
  35. Philip Yu from Toronto, Canada writes: Anthony B...no, if memory serves me correctly, Senator Fortier wants to run in Repentigny, which isn't being contested yet. Mike Sty, Gloria Kovatch looks to be a longer shot in Guelph...it's not like anyone doesn't remember Brent Barr being dumped. Saint-Lambert will likely be retained by the Bloc. Mulcair's star power will be tested in Outremont with the NDP candidate there, but name recognition could give Garneau the edge.
  36. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: scott thomas:-- Check out "curiousities" under Adam Radwanski's photo.
  37. Philip Yu from Toronto, Canada writes: Oops...make that Westmount-Ville Marie. Mulcair's already in Outremont, but for how long is anyone's guess.
  38. Michael Sharp from Victoria, Canada writes:

    Isn't it great the Liberals are running a Space Cadet as a candidate?

    Vote Liberal.
    Save the Asteroids.
  39. Free The West from Free the West, Canada writes: It will be interesting to see how easily Eastern voters can be bought will the promises of stolen loot from the West. At least one of the above posters are salivating already. People in the West are watching closely.
  40. Tony . from Waterloo, Canada writes:
    Guelph should be a rather interesting by-election. It's very much a 'middle Canada' sort of riding with a mix of everything.

    It's an 'urban' riding, but the south of the city is very much a suburban bedroom community for the GTA these days. There are also strong rural roots in the community through it's emphasis on agriculture and farming, mainly focused around the University. There might not be many farms in the Guelph riding, but there are a lot of farmers. Ohh, and lets not forget about the University itself, almost 15% of the population in the riding are U of G students of one sort or another.

    I think the Conservatives will struggle the most. Guelph is a fairly environmentally-conscious community and the utter incompetence of the Conservatives on that front won't go over too well. Further Guelph is one of the Ontario ridings that will continue to be under represented due to the recent bit of gerrymandering.

    The Liberals have traditionally done well, but Dion's carbon tax will probably be unpopular with the Toronto commuter crowd in the city.

    The NDP probably have the most to gain here, but they've traditionally been a fairly distant third. Simply moving up to second place (regardless of who wins the riding) would be seen as a small victory to them.

    The Green Party could also show some decent numbers, though winning is highly unlikely. This was one of their stronger ridings in 2006 at almost 9% of the vote. I wouldn't be surprised if they manage more than 15% of the vote this time around.
  41. Colin Tomlins from Canada writes: garlick toast: thank you, I needed to laugh.
  42. JEANNE FARINE from Vancouver, Canada writes: Diane Marie needs no defender on these threads...I won't say more on that line. I will say that her thought processes exhibited on any subject vented on these pages are a comfort to one who often despairs that sufficient numbers of Canadians really care about Canada...before any Party. I stand defeated in my own struggle to be objective at times...I do loath the Harperite conservatives, but primarily because I doubt that they care to keep Canada sovereign and free. I know that Mr. Prentice has Diane Marie's approval...and he does stand out from the rest of his sorry companions in temporary government...But one knight does not make a force without honourable companions...and they would be difficult to find in today's degraded conservative herd. Now what has all that to do with the three expected by-elections? Perhaps enough to make a wager that the Liberals may do better than the pundits may predict...because Canadians may indeed be coming to a sensible conclusion that the Liberals offer the most logically effective alternative option to govern. We shall see... Now, back to Diane Marie who has much more sensible patience than do I.
  43. Good Times, my Ladies. from Toronto, Canada writes: Vote for Dion's Greenshift ... should read ... the shifting of green bucks to Ontario ... Yippee!!!

    We need lower oil prices and a lower Canadian Dollar.
  44. Well, I'll Be A West Virginian Albino Mexican from Canada writes: mike sty - from Canada writes: September by-elections..............................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I'm waiting for the main event,...........Dion vs TheLiar

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    Shouldn't that be TheLiar vs TheLiar?

    Dion - no carbon tax, then a carbon tax (lie - Liberal sheepese translation "changed his mind"/re-evaluated policy")

    Dion - gas won't go up then admits it will (lie)

    Dion - carbon tax revenue neutral, then it's going to pay for social programs (lie)

    LPC = Liars

    LPC Supporters = Blind Sheep
  45. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    By-elections are a different beast than the Big Show. Usually a time to send a message to the ruling party.

    If the LPC even comes close to losing Westmount, it would be seen as a huge defeat. Former Lib.MP Lucienne Robillard had her "worst" score last time out ganering "only" 46% of the vote. In the 3 previous elections before that, her vote total was MORE than the combined total of ALL other candidates!

    Astronaut Garneau has a good reputation and lives in the riding, and I just can't see him losing. He should win big. Note to Dion-Stay away......

    St. Lambert has been solid BQ with 46-50% of the vote in the last 2 elections. They should win again. Note to Dion-Stay away....

    Guelph could be interesting as a 10,000 vote Lib. margin in 2004 was cut to a 5000 margin in 2006 probably because of ADSCAM. Will be interesting to see if the LPC rebounds. Note to Dion-stay away...

    I see 2 LPC and a BQ...anything less than that would be a LPC disaster.
    Let's see who has the org. and the means to get out the vote.
    .
  46. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    siren call from Canada writes:

    According to the article: NO. Unelected & unaccountable Senator Fortier (who so despises the Senate he rarely shows for sittings) has had a free ride for 2.5 years now! Oh, well. He's only the Minister of Public Pork, er Public Works.
    A portfolio in which both Libs and Cons get into trouble.
    --------

    Just thought I might bring you up to date. In a Cabinet shuffle last month, Fortier was moved OUT of Public Works and into International Trade. The "elected" Christian Paradis took over Public Works.

    At this time, Fortier is not even sure to run, but if he does, it will be in the riding of Vaudreuil Quebec where in the last 3 elections, the CPC (PC) has finished a very distant third-a riding held in the last 2 elections by the BQ.
    .
  47. Farm Boy from Belfast, United Kingdom writes: No surprise that the NDP candidates are CBC people!
  48. garlick toast from Canada writes: Farm Boy from Belfast, United Kingdom writes: No surprise that the NDP candidates are CBC people!

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    Yes.Creative,intellectually engaged citizens with social consciences.
  49. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Good Morning RC, hope you stayed dry in the recent brush with Cristobal. These should be interesting tests indeed. I don't know whether the "Mulcair" effect will be enough to steal Westmount from the Liberals, but I do know that the dippers have assiduously building on the Outremont victory to develop a credible organization in the Montreal area, and for the first time, mat actually have enough boots on the ground to run an effective campaign. The Dipper is high profile broadcaster, and will have some appeal on her own. Certainly enough to eat into that big Red plurality of the past. Garneau is a much stronger candidate than the one Mulcair defeated, although I understand theree are still some bruisede feelings in the Liberal camp about the lukewarm support he received as a candidate from Mr. Dion.

    I find it difficult to believe anyone but a Liberal will win in Guelph, although I wouldn't be surprised to see a much closer three or even four way race there.

    I am not familiar with the Candidates in St. Lambert.
  50. KT Ocean from Canada writes: Kenneth Yarchuck, why do you think a Liberal win in Guelph is so clear. Guelph has been Conservative in the recent past and they also supported the provincial conservatives under Mike Harris. The left vote will be split between the NDP, Greens and Liberals. Although the Conservatives don't have anything obvious they are running on, one can be sure they are using the massive database/polling and working behind the scenes to get out the anti-Morgantaler, anti-CBC, anti-whatever vote.
  51. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: KT, the primary reason for my opinion is that the Conservative support in Ontario has recently begun to erode, largely due to the very public and unseemly attack on the provincial government by Mr. Flaherty. Many Ontarians took that very personally.

    In addition the decline of the manufacturing sector will hurt the sitting government (Not that they can do much about it) People may not realize i but Guelph has a lot of small to medium sized manufacturing plants; many in the Auto-parts sector.

    I did say, however that it would probably turn into a three way race (or even four) and in that kind of scenario, anything can happen.
  52. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto,: Morning KY

    Guelph will be interesting. To note should be if, and how the Party leaders (Ministers-shadow ministers/critics of the other Parties) get involved, and exactly how they campaign. Will Dion be selling his Carbon Tax? Will Harper attack? Will Layton try and connect the McGuinty Libs. to the Federal Libs.? Layton will definately campaign. Will Dion and Harper be active?
    .
  53. David K from Guelph, Canada writes: mike sty - from Canada writes about Guelph: You wouldn't be talking about the democraticlly selected Mark Warner who was dumped by Harper for not following CONservative prescripted talking points???????

    Actually it was Brent Barr but same idea, he was not smiled upon by the PMO some time after having been nominated by the local party faithful. Gloria Kovach should listen to all the lyrics of Van Morrison's "Gloria" before using it as her campaign song.
  54. mike sty - from Canada writes: KT Ocean from Canada writes: Guelph has been Conservative in the recent past..................................................................................................
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    Typical Harper CONservative liar......................why do CONs lie????
    Brenda Chamberlain (Lib) has won 6 straight federal elections, in 2004 by over 10,000 votes and in 2006 by 5,000 votes.
    B.Chamberlain.........23662....................................................................
    B.Barr(Con).............18342.................................................................
    http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/134/.......................................

    CONs = LIARS
  55. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Mike Sty, KT Ocean wasn't lying, he was talking recent in the geological sense.
  56. mike sty - from Canada writes: David K from Guelph, Canada writes:

    Actually it was Brent Barr
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    Thanks, realized that this morning. Both were dumped at the same time for the same reasons.
  57. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada
    J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada

    Morning: A little off topic but because this isn't a "John Smith" type of name, are you 2 different people?
    .
  58. Fake Name from Canada writes: "kim batchelor from Canada writes: Carbon tax??
    My spouse travels to clients farms for work.
    That means morefor gas less for food whoopeee!!!
    Dion won'tbe getting our vote. "

    Dingbat ... read up on the proposal a little bit. Gasoline is already taxed; this is about the other fossil fuels.

    Anyway, why are people fussing about Sept. 2 vs Sept. 8? Do six days make that much difference? Still, it will be interesting to see if Dion's learned his lesson that parachuting hand-picked candidates in against the wishes of the local riding associations is usually stupid.
  59. Brad Fgroupthinkn from Canada writes: Kick all incumbents out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  60. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm the same guy RC. Kenneth is from my home computer. J. Kenneth is from my office. Thanks for noticing.
  61. R. Carriere from Canada writes:

    J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: I'm the same guy RC. Kenneth is from my home computer. J. Kenneth is from my office. Thanks for noticing.
    -----
    Kind of thought that! Same politics and style.....unless it was a twin brother....lol
    .
  62. Paul Wallnutz from Canada writes: The Greens are a real force in Guelph, so don't discount them. The candidate Mike Nagy walks the talk, and he certainly will have my full support.

    Nagy came in with 8% of the vote in the 2006 election, but of course the main stream media tries to ignore this fact.

    This ex-Tory will be voting Green in Guelph for sure. To he!! with the crooked Liberals and Neo-con 'Conservatives'.
  63. Trillian Rand from Canada writes: From the article: "Three federal by-elections in early September promise to stir up Canada's stagnant political waters, serving as a litmus test for a possible general election this autumn."

    Stagnant political waters? Litmus test? Sounds more like a school science project than an election. Not that our federal politicians don't like getting into the muck, which is probably what Ms Bryden was trying to point out.

    The results from the litmus test will undoubtedly confusing, sometimes base and at other times acidic, but always overheated. In other words, not unlike a school science project.
  64. pierre lefebvre from Brossard, Canada writes: To Diane Marie: Credibility of Dion was at risk ever since elected leader of LPC. He is a misfit non-leader with narcissistic tendencies. My apropos was related to by-election timing and his promotion of revenue-neutral carbon tax. All goodwill will have evaporated by September. His concept does not fly high enough nowadays and Canadians will seek other issues by then.
  65. Canadian Candidate from Canada writes: Out of love for this country and concern about the direction of the current government, I've decided to run for office. I must say reading the comments posted on this board are daunting to say the least - love of country or not, who wants to be spoken to or about with the sort of disrespectful hatred you see coming out on these boards? I'm just grateful that door to door, face to face, Canadians don't come across like they do here. Just remember, if you treat your politicians like this, you're going to get the politicians who you deserve, because well-meaning, hard-working, respectable, honest people who don't want to screw you over, take your money, or dominate you, simply won't put themselves in front of such abuse. Being a political candidate is an enormous investment of time, energy, and money, and categorically not worth it if the people you want to represent hate everyone and everything... at least not if you're honest.

    Maybe if we clean up our attitudes and our acts a little we'll discover more good people want to be a part of government.
  66. J. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Paul Wallnutz, The Greens will probably do well in Guelph, but because of the timing of the By-election, their prospects will be hurt by the fact that most Unigoo students will not have returned to class, thus seriously eroding the youth vote that the Greens depend on. I'm afraid they'll have to settle for a strong fourth thisw time, and use the experience to build their organization for the General election in a few months.
  67. Journey Man from Canada writes: JK Yurchuk: The U-Moo students will be back by early September, and they are a big segment of Guelph's population when they are there.

    Paul Wallnutz and Tony from Waterloo are correct that the Greens could surprise everyone this time around in Guelph. I voted for them provincially and I will federally at the next opportunity too; I'm also sick of the alternatives.

    I used to vote Conservative also, but the Harperites are not my cup of tea. So many of his supporters just reafirm this when I read their posts on this G&M website.
  68. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Canadian Candidate; Taking you, at your word, that you are running for office, good luck!
    It will be interesting to keep informed as to your pending experience.
    All candidates should be appreciated for putting their name on the ballot. Respect is earned.
    But, your intention to run is an act of courage, in itself.
  69. Brad Fgroupthinkn from Canada writes: Canadian Candidate from Canada writes;
    You know you won't ever be selected as a candicate by any "major party" unless they are certain you "know the fix".
    Because the "fix is in" and they don't need or want some interloper.
    Being a lawyer is probably the other single most inportant prerequisite; after all you have to know the law to enslave the population.
    Politicians are not about constituents its about the Politicians.

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