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DANIEL LEBLANC

From Friday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 9:02 PM EST 24/07/08

Ottawa wants to challenge Jean Lafleur's bankruptcy filing in court to get further explanation of his allegedly dwindling fortunes ...Read the full article

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  1. Edgar Allen Poe from No City, Canada writes:

    What a coincidence. Both the Liberal Party of Canada and their bag men operatives are both pleading poverty and are nearing bankruptcy.

    Talk about just desserts!
  2. freeman lamb from kimberley, Canada writes: lying snake
  3. SY GIL from TO, Canada writes: Send him back to the pen and then recover the funds from his estate. The victims are taxpayers who didn't have a say in giving the funds to him in the first place.
  4. Saskatchewan Seal Hunter Club from Canada writes: there has to be a paper trail.............the damn crook otta be hung.
  5. John Connor from Canada writes: We need to trust him, if you can't take someone at their word......

    Besides, Debtors Prison no longer exists.

    Too bad, but Parliament could revisit the issue on the publics' behalf.
  6. Anthony B from Maritimes, Canada writes: Lafleur made $9.4-million between 1993 and 2000, sold his home for $1.5-million, gave the money to his lawyer, who shipped it to a financial institution in the tax haven of Liechtenstein. Meanwhile, he is on parole after serving seven months of a 42-month prison sentence but cannot discharge the $1.5-million fine that followed his guilty plea last year.

    Throw him back in jail until he either pays the fine or serves the full sentence. Oh, and throw his sleazy lawyer in jail for aiding and abetting this fraud.
  7. Iain's Opinion from Canada writes: So all his money went to banking havens and he hasn't a nickle to his name. Fair enough, jail time, 1 day for every dollar he owes. No time off except for cash.
  8. Babbleon ! from Sarnia, Canada writes: Vern get on here and explain this.
  9. Misery Lastname from Angus, Canada writes: God bless him. He's just acting the same way as all these other bandits in high places.
  10. f c from Canada writes: I could you my backyard cleaned up....it's the least the scumbag can do ....for every Canadian. By the way, my dog loves the backyard...lol
  11. f c from Canada writes: Oh wait a minue....another thought...send him to jail for tax evasion...look at that...two good ideas!
  12. bill johnson from Quebec, Canada writes: Hmmmm.....Jean Chretien, Jean Carle, Jean Breau, Jean Pelletier, Jean Lafleur...all Jeans, all Liberals. Premier members of Canada's secret government; now they plead poverty. And to think some say Harper has a secret agenda???
  13. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Mr. Lafleur has probably taken the steps many do in divorce proceedings - he is doing his best to hide the loot, and it's not always easy to locate. The cost of trying to get at it may be higher than the hoped-for proceeds. If there's one thing we all know, it is that capital knows no bounds. The rich make hiding money from the taxman a fine art. And, as we all know, one can always keep the cash in 'abeyance', as Mr. Mulroney did. If the numbers Anthony B offers are correct, Mr. Lafleur could have ploughed through a little more than $1 million a year - not hard if one has appearances and hangers-on (including legal counsel) to maintain.
  14. f c from Canada writes: Another, when he qualifies for CPP/OAS...withhold it towards the debt he owes us....maybe he can get a job ad Wendy's or something.....just keep him away from the till....
  15. prospector from blackfly country from Canada writes: Lichtenstein.
    Is that the country that has the rogue bank that is being investigated by the Germans and Americans for hiding and laundering dirty or untaxed money???

    Am I surprised that his 9.4 million ended up there???

    It just doesn't stop with those people.
  16. The Centrist from Canada writes: Ah... more bias from the G&M against the liberal party of Canada.

    Or... could it be.. oh no.. that the media is here to report the news?

    Gosh darn, wow.. that's what it means.

    Above all, the media is here to hold the government in power accountable.

    But the Harper Conservative government and its perhaps paid political operatives whine continually about 'bias' from the G&M. If you don't like the paper, don't read it. Stop WHINING and CRYING when you don't get your way.

    And G&M thank you for the story. More proof that you aren't BIASED.
  17. Is there anybody out there? from Canary Islands, Canada writes: Harper will look at anything but his own incompetence
  18. Richard Daystrom from Toronto, Canada writes: In honor of the Olympics in China we should mete out Chinese justice. His family can pay us for the bullet.
  19. D. MacKay from Atlantic, Canada writes:

    So the money is gone?

    Keep him in court proceedings for the next 10 years like they have done to Mulroney.

    A dry boring hell of a court room will loosen the tongue.

    This is the beginning of things to come.

    Delicious.
  20. The Centrist from Canada writes: Big Wayne Kerr writes: 'You are such a liberal scumbag Just like Lafleur'

    Your comment is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE and beyond the scope of civilised discourse in my opinion. As such, I would suggest EVERYONE report it to the editor.

    Good grief, can't people STOP WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON OTHER POSTERS?
  21. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    f c from Canada writes: 'I could you my backyard cleaned up....it's the least the scumbag can do ....for every Canadian. By the way, my dog loves the backyard...lol'

    Great idea! Here in Alberta it's called 'fine options' I believe. I had to rip rags at the Salvation Army when I was 16 to cover my speeding fine that I couldn't pay cash for... he can bloody well do the same!
  22. D. MacKay from Atlantic, Canada writes:
    You (D. MacKay, from Atlantic, Canada) wrote:

    So the money is gone?

    Keep him in court proceedings for the next 10 years like they have done to Mulroney.

    A dry boring hell of a court room will loosen the tongue.

    This is the beginning of things to come.

    Delicious.

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    Sorry , I should have said :

    Keep him in court proceedings for the next 10 years like the Liberals have done to Mulroney.
  23. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes: The Centrist from Canada writes: 'Big Wayne Kerr writes: 'You are such a liberal scumbag Just like Lafleur'

    Your comment is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE and beyond the scope of civilised discourse in my opinion. As such, I would suggest EVERYONE report it to the editor.

    Good grief, can't people STOP WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON OTHER POSTERS? '

    ..

    The SEMI-MODERATE dude. No need to go blasting your horn...
  24. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    Hey, how much interest did the Liberal party pay on their stealings? Oh, none?

    Nice... I could use an interest free $10Million loan over 10 years or so. Hey Liberal Party, share okay?
  25. Jack Mitchell from Canada writes: Perhaps we could hire him with another sponsorship program so he can earn enough money to pay the fine. I believe they can be quite profitable.
  26. Purple Koolaid from Canada writes: Lafleur has stolen ten times more money than most of us will earn in our entire lifetimes. And he is broke? Bullsh*t. Throw him back in jail with Guite.
  27. West Virginian Albino Mexican from Canada writes: The Centrist from Canada writes: Big Wayne Kerr writes: 'You are such a liberal scumbag Just like Lafleur'

    Your comment is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE and beyond the scope of civilised discourse in my opinion. As such, I would suggest EVERYONE report it to the editor.

    ====================================================

    If you're so concerned with violating G&M forum rules then perhaps posters such as yourself should report yourself for some of the untruthful doozies you've put on here over the last few years.
  28. bob london from Canada writes: Centrist; and you supported Cretin? Grow some meat and veg since we have had to listen to the 'centrists' in central canada for way too long.
  29. Harbinger from Out West from Canada writes: I can also plead poverty after paying my taxes to the Lieberal governments between 1993 and 2000. And I didn't even break the law!
  30. CM Chen from Toronto, Canada writes: If he is broke, who is paying for his lawyer?

    Pro Bono a la brown bag ?
  31. The Centrist from Canada writes: When someone attacks Martin, Chretien, or anyone else of the liberal persuasion, people who I voted for, I don't get offended, and I certainly don't personally attack another poster. Attacking politicians is different than attacking a fellow poster. In any debate, you can attack the ideas or the politicians/groups who support those ideas; but attacking your opponent is off limits. Why? Because the debate just degrades into personal attacks. So when someone calls the liberals 'lieberals' or Mr. Chretien, a very good PM in my opinion, 'Chretin,' I don't get offended, because I don't care. This is partisanship; its not personal and it not directed at a fellow poster. If politicians can't take the name calling, they should get out of the kitchen. They are paid monetarily and in terms of power rather handsomely to take the abuse. A fellow Canadian, a human being, who is posting, is a lot different than a politician-they are giving their opinion of a politician, not their opinion of a fellow poster. They aren't paid to take abuse-and they are entitled to their opinion. If I responded everytime someone of the Conservative persuasion called the liberals another name, I wouldn't have time for anything else. I don't care what fellow Canadians think of the politicians I vote for-because they are entitled to their opinions. I will read what they have to say, and respect their opinion, and move on to attacking the politicians and the people who support them. A difference here-I'm attacking the group, and not singling out an individual poster. This is the difference between an appropriate comment (attacking politicians and the groups who support them) and an inappropriate one (attacking a poster for having an opinoin about a politician), in my opinion. This is backed up by the rules of the forum.
  32. Kelly Smith from Canada writes: It sounds like someone is really going to be punished when they are sentenced to 31/2 years in the slammer. Oh wait this is Canada, long ruled by the Liberals who hate to jail criminals. Seven months later, out you go. Pathetic.
  33. ... Who's Zoomin' Who? from Adanac, Canada writes: Nice try Big Wayne Kerr, but totally transparent. ...'You are such a liberal scumbag Just like Lafleur'. Your words sir, in quotes. Do the honourable thing and admit your vindictive statement was directly aimed at DM, and apologize. Nothing is gained from posts that personalize your vitriol and bitterness. Intelligent debate it is not.
  34. Prairie Boy from Canada writes: Some of these people are just wired that way. Hey, I earned that you can't take it back type of thing. In his mind he may not have done anything wrong. He was helping friends out. Four months is kind of a slap on the wrist so no-one seems too serious about it.
  35. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    diane marie : Another good comment....but when you mentioned 'Mulroney' only, you could have also mentioned ' Chretien-Martin' and their magical acts......and please know, that I know much about 'Holding Companies' and non-taxed manouvering of dividend transfers, along with the several jurisdictions that are NOT mentioned in the every day media...one being Gibraltar as an example.....or Lafleur's Belize...

    Actually I am surprised this has started so early. The 14-19 ADSCAM cases were only supposed to start in September......perhaps the 'singing' will start early? Let's all hope we finally nail the REAL criminals who were REALLY behind this...

    Imagine, Lafleur took one for the Team, and served 1/6 of 42 months!

    As if Chuch Guite was the MASTERMIND and acted with no direction and completely on his own! I have this funny feeling that the Quebec Provincial Police and RCMP will drop a major 'Bomb' soon and are just dusting up right now-knowing all about how the sleeze will act when they will be dealing with them--and the need to have iron-clad PROOF

    Remember Chretien, ' 'What is da proof? Da proof is da proof and when you got da good proof...dat's proven.'
    .
  36. Good Times, my Ladies. from Toronto, Canada writes: He should spend all of his sentence in jail.

    He is a lying theiving scum bag.
  37. Yves Champoux from Trois-Rivieres, Canada writes: Lafleur was one of many crooked foot soldiers of the Liberals' tough-love
    approach towards Quebec after their near defeat in the last referendum.
    I don't recall too many people opposing this silly notion that the electorate
    could be bought before the money started to go missing. These people are
    no friends of Canada.
  38. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:

    Where is the $40 Million the Liberals owe the taxpayer?
  39. J Law from Canada writes: Damn! I thought the guy in the photo was that Schrieber guy and they were putting him on a plane to Germany. Then I took a closer look and noticed this guy has his pants up so it couldn't have been Schrieber.
  40. bill johnson from Quebec, Canada writes: I would put him, Guite and Mulroney in the same cell. Why have so many of our recent 'leaders' (sic) left office under such taint? Let him stew until his memory of foreign bank accounts improves. Diane, I think it is unreasonable even for these 'live high on the public teat types' to go through a mill a year. He's hiding the $.
  41. Big Wayne Kerr from Canada writes: Good Times 'He is a lying theiving scum bag.'

    Yes they are, yes they all are.
  42. Beer and Popcorn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
    Liberal$- where is the money?
  43. Saskatchewan Seal Hunter Club from Canada writes: This guy needs a baseball bat.........right across the forehead. Next should be the judge who let him off with a slap on the wrist.
  44. Wilma De Bruyn from Toronto, Canada writes: CM Chen from Toronto, Canada writes: If he is broke, who is paying for his lawyer?

    Pro Bono a la brown bag ?
    Posted 24/07/08 at 10:08 PM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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    And don't forget that famous line'Client-lawyer confidentiality'!!!
    That is the best line for law. He should teach and lecture about
    integrity at a University, make him earn his living paying off his debt.
  45. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Actually, folks, wherever there is money (the honey pot), the unscrupulous are found buzzing around. It's human nature. The estate is contested by 'loving' relatives; the husband must support the trophy wife; the taxpayer searches for loop-holes; the political party looks for strategic advantage at any cost; the executive for undated stock-options, the stockholder for Street scuttlebutt, etc. Why is anyone particularly surprised? Mr. Lafleur fed on the meat of the 'no' vote and he was not alone. Separatism, the organized face of xenophobia, provides the rationale, as if the unscrupulous really ever needs one. The cost of incarceration and/or a lengthy search for unwarranted proceeds may far exceed any recompense and/or benefit from deterence. The old cost/benefit quandary as the mob foments for 'justice'.
  46. Flavius Maximus from Calgary, Canada writes: Law enforcement usually moves pretty quickly to seize the assets of criminals to prevent them from doing exactly what this guy has done. Geez, special treatment for yet another political piece of s***.

    If he can't pay the fine let him pay the way the rest of us have to, $18 credit per day in jail until the fine is paid in full.
  47. Mike McFae from Canada writes: What a weasel .
  48. The Skipper from Canada writes: And the Liberal Party and Dion expect to win an election in the fall with this dirty laundry still hanging out to dry.
    What a joke !
  49. Yves Champoux from Trois-Rivieres, Canada writes: Hey Seal Hunter: 'A baseball bat across the forehead'. Stealing is baaad,
    but you're scarrier than this loser. It is getting late.
  50. Paul Byer from Canada writes: A simple solution: ............................... Charge the lawyer with conspiracy to commit fraud. Make a deal with Lafleur to testify against him. Then make a deal with the lawyer to testify as to who has the missing $40 million. He probably knows. Let him keep Lafleur's 1.5 million for the effort of which he probably has spent .75 of it anyway. Seize the $40 million before it is laundered back into the next Liberal election campaign which will be decided next year when Harper calls it, not in the fall. De La France Dion is still in hiding in fear of next years forced election. Very simple. Win win situation for both the Canadian taxpayer and the Liberal party. We get the $40 million back and the Liberals lose nothing. They would have spent the laundered money for nought anyway.
  51. Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: >> even though he personally made $9.4-million between 1993 and 2000

    He grossed 9.4 million, after tax he pocketed 3 million. So let's start from that figure. Basically Ottawa made more in tax revenue off the scandal than he did.
  52. p m from Canada writes: better get him on welfare...he's used to getting government checks...
    and I'm sure that there's some liberal lawyer out there who, in view of past favours, might represent him for free...how about that Lawyer...what's his name cretin or something like that
  53. Yves Champoux from Trois-Rivieres, Canada writes: Diane Marie: 'Separatism is the face of organized xenephobia'. Earlier
    today, I told you that your discourse was refreshing because I found you
    to be both articulate AND respectful. Well, that was too nice to be true. It
    would be easy to be childish and reply that federalism is the organized
    face of deceit, but of course it is not, and I won't stoop that allow just for
    the sake of getting even.
  54. Craig Cooper from Toronto, writes: Ha Ha

    Ad people are weasels!
  55. Gordon Murray from Canada writes: As monitoring of accounts and assets in other countries increases with technology and inability to keep data private...or private data...claims of disappearing/dwindling fund are expeced to fall.

    CRA as 'profit centre' in the future suggests hiring rate increase.
  56. Edrico Alberto from Edmonton, Canada writes: As was reported a week or so ago, Heirich Kieber, a disgruntled computer technician at LGT, the bank in Liechenstein, downloaded all the names and secret accounts on to two CDs and turned them over to tax authorities in the US and Europe. There were reportedly several hundred Canadians on the list. I wonder if Jean Lafleur's name showed up on it.
  57. Bill G from Calgary, Canada writes: No money? No problem. Here's a little jail cell for you!
  58. M. Mark from Victoria, Canada writes: Why is he out on parole? He only served 7 months out of 42. He should be back in jail to serve at least half. He should serve even more if he can't pay what he owes the government.
  59. Joe Gopher from Canada writes: Throw him back in the slammer and he'll sing.
  60. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Yves Champoux:-- I was speaking of Alberta, the version about which I am most familiar - perhaps you concluded otherwise? Would that separatism were about cultural aspiration, but mostly (it seems to me) it seems to be about xenophobic nationalism. You know, I'm really not on here to collect compliments and then fret about their withdrawal - that is the game of politicians ;-).
  61. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Yves Champoux:-- Now that I think on it a bit, I see federalism as a manageable way for a society, when presented with geographic proximity and historic foundation, to maximize strengths while minimizing weaknesses.
  62. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: Bafflegab I tell you, it's all bafflegab. There's a paper trail that will lead right to the hidden cash. I like one posters idea of 1 day for each dollar to be served in Maximum security prison, not one of those rich guy, playground jails. For each dollar he returns, he gets a day subtracted. I'll bet the cash shows up pretty quick then eh?
  63. George McKnabb from Canada writes: The reason much of the so-called MSM likes to play up the antics of the small-time ad-scammers is their belief that it keeps the heat off da boss. But really folks, the bottom-line is that the buck stops at the top. When I see Chretien in the Kingston Pen, I will truly believe Canada has grown as a democracy. Until then, sadly Bananada reigns.
  64. S.L. S from Small Town, Canada writes: George McKnabb from Canada, my revenge is a little more simple. Until I see MY money back where it belongs I will never vote a Liberal into power federally or provincially. They owe me money and I want it back.
  65. Dr. Strangelove from Edmonton, Canada writes: Check for gifts and 'salaries' to his family members -- all 'legal', of course. He may be technically bankrupt, but I'm sure his family can and will take good care of 'pops'!!
  66. Let me tell You How It Is from United States writes: Jean Lafleur must think that he's dealing with the usual Canadian Government who are such suckers for any hard-luck story. But he's in for a suprise with Canada's new government who will justly screw Jean for all the money he owes. Love this new government in Canada.
  67. Oksana Szulhan from North Vancouver, Canada writes: BOO HOO for Lafleur. He has absolutely no idea of what poverty is, regardless of his ' meagre ' $ 8,013 worth of net assets, which is still greater than anyone living within the poverty limit. Considering the events and behaviour, I don't give a rat's a _ _ about his circumstances. As a Canadian taxpayer, I absolutely resent his using my tax dollar in such a cavalier attitude - really wish the guillotine was part of our justice system !
  68. Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: >> Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes: The Centrist from Canada writes: 'Big Wayne Kerr writes: 'You are such a liberal scumbag Just like Lafleur'

    Kk i think it's deleted now. It only survives in your quote of it.
  69. joseph Cheng from Toronto, Canada writes: It's easy to imagine where the money has gone. Probably one of those tax havens countries down south or in Central America, one without extradition treaty with Canada. When he is released one day, one can find out then where he will settle and that's where the money is. But by that time, he will be mostly forgotten by the media which usually has a short memory. This chap is no fool which is for certain!
  70. Saskatchewan Seal Hunter Club from Canada writes: Yves Champoux from Trois-Rivieres, Canada writes: Hey Seal Hunter: 'A baseball bat across the forehead'. Stealing is baaad,
    but you're scarrier than this loser. It is getting late.

    Nobody steals from me (taxpayer) and gets away with it, otherwise I don't sleep. The justice system in this country is getting to be a joke. Its like the cop who charged me for failing to stop at a stop sign he said.......which I honestly did stop, but he said take it to court. So I hit him smack in the nose and told him add assault causing bodily harm, which he did and I pleaded guilty.
  71. joseph Cheng from Toronto, Canada writes: Saskatchewan Seal Hunter Club: Thank your lucky star that you weren't tasered on the spot when you smacked the cop's nose!
  72. ex banker from East Coast, Canada writes: Vigilante justice..maybe we, as Canadian taxpayers, could all chip in a buck and raise enough money to have him whacked. That's the only way justice will be meted out in this case.
  73. Wilma De Bruyn from Toroonto, Canada writes: Oksana Szulhan from North Vancouver, Canada writes: BOO HOO for Lafleur. He has absolutely no idea of what poverty is, regardless of his ' meagre ' $ 8,013 worth of net assets, which is still greater than anyone living within the poverty limit. Considering the events and behaviour, I don't give a rat's a _ _ about his circumstances. As a Canadian taxpayer, I absolutely resent his using my tax dollar in such a cavalier attitude - really wish the guillotine was part of our justice system !
    Posted 25/07/08 at 3:50 AM EDT | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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    The guillotine is not part of the 'Just Us' system, but the strong
    Brotherhood is, and when you belong to that club it becomes a
    two tiered 'Just Us' system.
  74. Joe Technicality from Hamilton, Canada writes: Solution's pretty simple - lock him up for unpaid taxes.
  75. Frank Lee My Dears I Don't Give A Damn from Toronto, Canada writes:
    I don' know 'bout dis! Dis' dood was'nd as poopular as dat udder guy, whaddsis name, da Chret? Pooverty? I don' tink so. Like all my baddy (oops buddy) loobrals, dis guy is godda bee lyon tru is teets.
    Maybe da Chret hav sumting ta said 'bout dis. He stil condrools da purstrings, don' he? (SIC)
  76. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    Finally! After what must have felt like 25 straight articles about the self-implosion of the conservative party, this will provide a nice break for my eyes!

    Well, actually this isn't much of a break... the government going after a former government employee doesn't mean much anymore...
  77. DON BARTA from Canada writes: - Is this the GREEN SHIFT the Liberals keep talking about? From our pockets to theirs?

    - Where can I buy a,

    ' BEWARE THE GREEN SHAFT'

    bumper sticker......

    ~
  78. Crusty Curmudgeon from Ottawa, Canada writes:
    Yves Champoux from Trois-Rivieres:

    it all depends on your perspective (as you pointed out).

    separatism, nationalism, federalism -- all the same junk -- I'm better than you.

    Instead of working together to solve problems, why don't we just go our own separate ways -- isn't that the story of the tower of babel? How'd that work out for the world?
  79. Dan Shortt from Toronto, Canada writes: Throw this thieving liar into jail until he pays up. You don't pay you fines you go to jail .... that's what happens to the rest of us in this country.

    Living at resorts in Central America .... foriegn bank accounts .... million dollar homes ..... and Bankrupt?

    Take everything away from this guy until he has to go on welfare!
  80. Dan Shortt from Toronto, Canada writes: Send Mr. Lafleur to Manitoba. The RCMP can hold him down in his jail cell and taser him .... that's the new Canadian way.
  81. edward prior from Montreal, Canada writes: I'm all for buying his story and letting him off on it and then let's see how things fall out. Diane Marie is correct in her analysis of human nature and M. Lafleur is who he is so either one of two options is open to him: he is telling the truth and has no assets, therefore he must try to find some sort of income, or he has his assets well hidden, in which case he will try to gain access to them. But, I would take the precaution of seizing his passport.
  82. Gerry Pankhurst from westport ontario, Canada writes: I get the distinct impression that Mr. Lafleur is short of admirers among today's contributors. I also get the distinct impression the usual collection of lefties are at a loss for words. Where are the calls for the election that wont happen this year?
  83. Robert Bland from Calgary, Canada writes: Six and a half months served out of a 42 month sentence!!!

    Who dreams up this load of cow moss?

    How on earth did we get to the point where 85% of a sentence is just wiped out. I don't think it's the judges who dream this stuff up - this is up to members of parliament or the government running the country(?).

    In the last week I've had two mailings from my MP boasting about how they're getting tough on crime - what a bunch of hogwash!

    Is there anyone who can justify such a policy?

    Does the rest of the world know about how we run things up here?

    Poor Conrad Black must be drooling over his morning bowl of grits.
  84. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Gerry Pankhurst: I can't think of any taxpayer, right, centre, left, who appreciates the misuse of their hard earned cash.
    Diane Marie is spot on with her analysis of human nature.
    The man has been tried, convicted and serving his sentence.
    And now the money has disappeared. Before the feds spend money going after him, they should know that their is money to be found. Then, by all means, retrieve what is due.
  85. Big Wayne Kerr from Canada writes: Catherine Wilkie Clod Fraser ' I can't think of any taxpayer, right, centre, left, who appreciates the misuse of their hard earned cash'

    Except Liberals of course.
    It's what they live for.
    It's just the nature of the beast.
    Your money
    Their Friends.
    They put them together.
    The Criminal LPC.
  86. Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Big Wayne Kerr: Do you live alone?
  87. mynalee johnstone from saltspring island, Canada writes: Pleads POVERTY? Come on!
    Live on less than $1000 a month and you will know what is poverty.
  88. Michael Crowell from Halifax, Canada writes: Mr. Lafleur is on parole after serving seven months of a 42-month prison sentence. Liberal justice in action.
  89. Mike Quinlan from Gatineau QC, Canada writes: The difference between nominal sentences( the actual amount of time a judge decrees) and the real sentence, (the actual punitive period the guilty is subjected to), completely undermines the perception of justice. This type of two step public illusion needs to change.
  90. Ontario Man from Canada writes: hang him by his ankles, shake, and watch the money fall out

    then disbar his cheating lawyer
  91. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: Catherine Wilkie from Canada writes: Big Wayne Kerr: Do you live alone?

    ---------------------------------

    Not counting his parents upstairs, he indeed lives a very lonely life.
  92. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    I don't get it - the right-wing moonbats are trying to tie this with the Liberal party.

    We all know Jean Lafleur was a businessman who provided 76 false invoices to Charles Guite, the civil servant responsible for the sponsorship program in Public Works Department of the federal government in the 1990s, but what exactly does this have to do with the Liberal party?

    Care to explain and provide proof of such allegations?
  93. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: Harvey Mushman from cambridge, Canada writes: Let's not forget that the RCMP investigation is ongoing...working its way up the ladder of the criminal conspiracy...one Jean at a time. I suspect they're taking their sweet time, getting their 'ducks in a row' knowing that all hell will break loose once they start handcuffing senior LPC insiders.

    ----------------------------

    4 years into the investigation, we're still waiting for a real connection to the Liberal party to be found.

    There is less of connection between this and the Liberals than the Cadman tapes and the CPC.
  94. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    Apparently Jean Lafleur was a card-carrying conservative party member!!

    Go figure! Looks like he was inspired by conservative ex-PM Mulroney and his infamous brown-envelopes.
  95. Hugh May from Khon Kaen, Thailand writes: I don't think, your post clearly shows you don't. Why do you THINK he was given the contracts? He was a good Liberal.
  96. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: Hugh May from Khon Kaen, Thailand writes: I don't think, your post clearly shows you don't. Why do you THINK he was given the contracts? He was a good Liberal.

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    Any proof of this? Do you actually have any proof of this or are you simply spouting the usual clownservative nonsense?
  97. I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! (common sense is back) from Canada writes: .

    Still waiting...

    Anyone care to offer any concrete evidence that ties this with any current Liberal party officials or MPs or are you all simply going to embarrass yourselves and keep spouting off the usual nonsense.

    Imagine that, looking like fools by trying to perpetuate your false claims.

    I can see why you are desperate though, the polls have looked horrible for the cons as they continue to bleed support - this is the last thing you have to hang on to... hoping beyond everything else that you can fool Canadians into thinking there is a connection. I mean, it worked the first time didn't it? Then we found out the truth and it wasn't exactly the end of the world like the cons made it out to be.

    Any proof people? I've been asking for proof for over three years now and have still not recieved anything.
  98. nick oliver from halifax, ns, Canada writes: proof one again that the hammer falls a lot harder on the guy who steals $10 than the guy who steals $10 M. where is the will in this country to attack white collar crime?
  99. Big Wayne Kerr from Kumbaya, Canada writes: I don't 'what exactly does this have to do with the Liberal party?'

    Care to explain and provide proof of such allegations?

    The Gomery report explained that The Liberal Party ran a massive kickback scheme channeling stolen taxpayer money to the Liberal Party of Canada involving the MINISTER of Public Works Alphonso Gagliano at the direction of senior party officials with the knowledge of PM Chretien.

    Duh.

    I don't think your - 'I See nothing' Sgt Shultz routine will work on doorsteps!
  100. Big Wayne Kerr from Kumbaya, Canada writes: nick oliver ' where is the will in this country to attack white collar crime? '

    I agree with your point but think this is way more serious - a perversion/subversion of democracy by the LPC - these guys should be away much longer than 'white collar criminals'
  101. pierre lefebvre from Brossard, Canada writes: Where are the legal cases against Privy council members, Corriveau, Belliveau, Cote and all those bag men of LPC/Quebec during ADSCAM? Is there a judge available to hear them?
  102. Edrico Alberto from Edmonton, Canada writes: Dear I don't think... therefore I vote conservative! They say not to debate with an idiot because they will drag you down to their level, and then trump you with experience. But, taking that risk, I will say that if the Liberals didn't know anything about Adscam, and that goes all the way to the top, they were extremely incompetent. I note in your posting you ask for concrete evidence that ties it to current Liberal party officials, and then you say you've been asking for three years. There have been big changes in the last three years.
  103. Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: Vote Liberal, no morals required
  104. C Gardner from Canada writes: 7/42 month sentance = 16.6%
    $235,000/$1,500,000 fine = 15.6%

    Sweet deal if you can get it.
  105. Greg Van Zandt from Canada writes: Jean Lafleur
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Jean Lafleur is a Canadian businessman famous for his role in the Liberal Party of Canada Sponsorship scandal.

    CLEAR ENOUGH?
  106. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:
    A poster above writes: ' Any proof people? I've been asking for proof for over three years now and have still not recieved anything.....'

    This poster wants the final score to the game--- when the game hasn't even started!

    1) There was a massive raid on Jacques Corriveau's (Chretien good bubby) home last year when the police left with computers and a van full of documents. They have been very quiet about what they found......

    2) Benoit Corbeil was recently arrested for a host of things. He was Quebec's top unelected Liberal who claimed 12 Liberal MP's received bags of cash worth $ 25,000 each. WHO were they?

    3) 14 more law suits are starting in September to recover more money.

    4) The RCMP and Quebec Provincial Police are still on the case. And when dealing with Liberal 'experts' they know they need rock solid proof.

    5) Gomery's hands were tied and he WAS NOT ALLOWED to make criminal recommendations, but he did make this statement:

    The judge found 'a depressing tale of greed, venality and misconduct' and described 'an elaborate kickback scheme' designed to benefit the federal Liberals.'

    No final score yet, as The Game has yet to start!
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  107. sam johnson from Canada writes: there goes the g&m and its attack the liberals bias. everything against the liberals is o.k. with all you conservative posters.

    i was pretending i was a conservative whiner. it's not any fun. the more you whine the dumber you get.

    seriously, look into your heart and think of this poor little schmuck who stole all that money, was ridin around his ranch in his big 55gallon hat just havin a whale of a good time throwin our money to his rich friends.
    now he's broke.
    maybe he could see what the ndp could do for him.
  108. B R from Canada writes: One hundred twenty posts to beat a dead horse.

    Come on boys and girls , time to focus on the present governments throwing away of taxpayers' money.