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  1. Gronck the realist from Canada writes: I think international law stipulates that it is those that have introduced child soldiers into their roles who are to be punished - what haven't his parents been arrested?
  2. No Name Necessary from Canada writes: this will probably be a waste of time. In one ear, out the other.
  3. S S from Montreal, Canada writes: this guy was 16 !! when arrested... common, have we lost all good common sense ?... not to mention that Guantanamo is illegal... this is just great... I'm more and more impressed by our country...
  4. Cruthin Clan from Canada writes: I'm calling for his treason trial and his mother's revocation of citizenship
  5. Don Wells from Canada writes: If he is a POW then he can be held till the end of the war, if he is a terrorist,then he can be tried for murder, if he is a child soldier he can be held as a poW UNTIL THE END OF THE WAR--ALL ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW--what part of this don't these 'social' groups get!
  6. H Chauhan from Toronto, Canada writes: Who are these social activists talking to? Themselves?

    There is no appetite for mollycoddling of terrorists and their progeny in the Canadian public.

    His taxpayer-paid lawyers have tried by releasing tapes and Elmasry have tried by invoking 'racism' charges. They have found there is no sympathy forthcoming from the laypersons of Canada.

    Is that a threat 'ignore at his peril', or a promise?
  7. Clive Gingell from Canada writes: 'Return Omar to Khandahar'!!
  8. Bill M from Canada writes: Gronck the realist from Canada writes: I think international law stipulates that it is those that have introduced child soldiers into their roles who are to be punished - what haven't his parents been arrested?

    Chretien convinced India to let his father out of prison on terrorism and other charges, and had him sent back to Canada. He then returned to Afghanistan with his sons, and was killed in the same fire fight that saw Omar's brother shot and paralyzed. He is now back in Canada and we are paying his medical bills. Canadian taxpayers money hard at work.
  9. BEN DOVER from WESTERN CANADA, Canada writes: Possibly check with the mothers, fathers, brothers & sisters of Canadian soldiers who have died in this war because of the likes of Omar. If these 'self-righteous' people want to bring somebody home concentrate on our troops not on our enemy despite what his age is, he is a terrorist and should not be classed as a Canadian. His citizenship and that of his terrorist family should be revoked. I am sick and tired of these 'bleeding hearts'referring to him as a Canadian BOY!!
  10. Robert Graves from Lanzarote, Spain writes: They are missing the big picture and fail to see the positive side of holding the spectacle of the Omar Khadr trial. There couldn't be a better vehicle to communicate to the world. The verdict doesn't matter. There will be a compassionate end, eventually; and that will stand starkly against the fallen towers. Let Omar clarify what he was saying-- 'kill me' or 'mommy'.

    This is a perfect example of that old adage about the road to hell being paved with good intentions. Go help someone in real need; Omar Khadr is being treated humanely. And to be extremely callous about it, these lawyers and do-gooders are probably costing Omar a pile of cash: He'll have much more celebrity on the other side of this trial.
  11. jim thomas from ontar e..erio, Canada writes: I support the efforts to bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. He was a child soldier(14 or 15..not 16) when the incident happened. The US lost its way as a supporter of freedom and following democractic processes. There is no reason for Harper to believe Bush but he does?

    Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.
  12. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Interesting ... the article about the LPC internal issues is taken down and this one is put up. I guees Dion was taking too much of a beating in the Comments section.
  13. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Daniel Cunningham from Victoria, writes: Yawn - I see all the usual Con-Borgie trolls are out this morning. Just beat your chests, thump your clubs once or twice & then crawl back into your caves gentleman (and I use that term extremely loosely). Harper - grow a pair & stand up to Shrub already.
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    Funny, it seems to me that in many cases, it's the lefties/libs who are first out of the gates on such threads and being vindictive (note your post itself).
  14. Blasphemous Apostate from Cahones, Mexico writes: Wow...are all bleeding heart lefties unemployed? How else could they have time to go out into the street and protest for the repatriation of a TERRORIST, a MURDERER, a TRAITOR and all around piece of human garbage like Khadr.

    This guy knew exactly what he was doing it and he enjoyed doing it...stop making him out to be some infant that was unable to think for himself.

    Its amazing how intent (and incredibly stupid) the bleeding heart left is to destroy our country and our way of life.
  15. dean spence from Canada writes: Does a thrill go through the protesting class when they spot something like this? A cause! We don't have to worry about getting a date for Saturday!

  16. Jeremy Debling from Canada writes: He knew what he was doing, as did his family. Let him rot in a US jail.
  17. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: jim thomas from ontar e..erio, Canada writes: I support the efforts to bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. He was a child soldier(14 or 15..not 16) when the incident happened ...
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    You know, I bet that the majority of people with this view are the same ones who disagreed with raising the age of consent.
  18. Farenheit 451 from Vancouver, Canada writes: For the sake of argument, lets say he was 18 and clearly guilty. I still say we should bring him back here. He is a Canadian citizen and we should be taking responsibility for his actions.

    Now if you would like to argue about whether the family should have been granted citizenship in the first place that would be a completely different story - but in my view, rightly or wrongly we granted them citizenship and now we need to suck it up and deal with the consequences under our system.
  19. Jeff S from Canada writes: Let Him Rot.

    It could have just as easily been a Canadian soldier he killed. How would the socialists have reconiled that one.
  20. City Pig from Toronto, Canada writes: Farenheit 451 from Vancouver, Canada writes: For the sake of argument, lets say he was 18 and clearly guilty. I still say we should bring him back here. He is a Canadian citizen and we should be taking responsibility for his actions.

    Now if you would like to argue about whether the family should have been granted citizenship in the first place that would be a completely different story - but in my view, rightly or wrongly we granted them citizenship and now we need to suck it up and deal with the consequences under our system.
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    What consequenses do you think he would get in Canada. Double Secret Probation?

    The US caught him fair and square, let them deal with the little $h!t.
  21. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Farenheit 451 from Vancouver, Canada writes: For the sake of argument, lets say he was 18 and clearly guilty. I still say we should bring him back here. He is a Canadian citizen and we should be taking responsibility for his actions.

    Now if you would like to argue about whether the family should have been granted citizenship in the first place that would be a completely different story - but in my view, rightly or wrongly we granted them citizenship and now we need to suck it up and deal with the consequences under our system.
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    WE most certainly are NOT responsible for HIS actions. He and his whole family are the opposite of what it is to be Canadian. They should be summarily tried for treason AND stripped of Canadian citizenship ... period.
  22. A skeptical MD from Canada writes: 'Social Groups Press Harper Over Khadr'

    The main 'social group' I see doing the pressing is the Globe and Mail itself. Shouldn't a newspaper be reporting the news instead of trying to make it?

    Why does the G&M always run Khadr stories showing him as a baby faced 15 year old rather than as he looks now? Because it doesn't suit their agenda.

    Maybe Khadr can be released in time for Dion to name him as a liberal candidate for a fall election, with the G&M's endorsement. After all, Chretien was a big fan of Khadr senior.
  23. City Pig from Toronto, Canada writes: Jeff S from Canada writes: Let Him Rot.

    It could have just as easily been a Canadian soldier he killed. How would the socialists have reconiled that one.

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    They would have put him in charge of sensativity training for the military.
  24. Robert Graves from Lanzarote, Spain writes: Blasphemous Apostate from Cahones, Mexico writes:
    For the 1000th time, his mother has already CONFIRMED, in an interview, that he was saying 'mommy'..NOT 'kill me'.....

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    But was Mommy's veracity tested in a full cross-examination? I just listened to the tape again, and I hear the sound of the 'K' in kill. Perhaps you were being sarcastic... ?
  25. Juan Valasquez from Canada writes: As soon as Khadr gets out he will receive a lovely compensation package from the next Liberal government. He will then use those appropriated funds to run in the Toronto Mayoral race. Failing a win, you can almost guarantee a riding within the GTA will elect him as a Liberal Candidate. He has a bright future ahead of him! A true Canadian Success story.
  26. Joseph Bloggins from Canada writes: 'Social Activists' = unemployed marxist lunatics with nothing better to do with their time while they await their welfare cheques.
  27. Earl Anthony from Sudbury, Canada writes: No sympathy for the Kadrs nor for Mr. Chretien who released the father to kill again.
  28. Mark S from Calgary, Canada writes: Leave the terrorist there and send his family to gitmo for a permanent visit.
  29. Babbleon ! from Sarnia, Canada writes: When will the Liberal love affair with criminals and terrorists ever end?
  30. Galina K from Canada writes: jim thomas from ontar e..erio, Canada writes:
    I support the efforts to bring Omar Khadr back to Canada.
    He was a child soldier(14 or 15..not 16) when the incident happened ...
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    So was Samir Kuntar. Let's follow Lebanon example to bring this 'child solger' home.
  31. A skeptical MD from Canada writes: Most posters here fail to see what is really going on. Nobody really cares about Khadr. Liberals (both the party and lefties in general, including the G&M) see his illegal detention as an issue they can use against Harper to make him look bad, as if Khadr's situation somehow make Harper Bush's lackey. Harper certainly doesn't care if Khadr rots in jail, and neither do most Canadians.

    So which is worse, those who are willing to let this child terrorist (let's be honest, that's what he is) rot in illegal detention in Gitmo, or those supposedly altruistic lefties that really want to use his detention for their own political ends?

    Either way, Khadr is and will remain a helpless pawn. And frankly, I don't care and I don't think most Canadians do either. I don't want him back in Canada, that's for sure.
  32. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: Don Wells from Canada writes: If he is a POW then he can be held till the end of the war, if he is a terrorist,then he can be tried for murder, if he is a child soldier he can be held as a poW UNTIL THE END OF THE WAR--ALL ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW--what part of this don't these 'social' groups get! ------- You can't try POWs in a court unless they are for war crimes (and that doesn't happen until hostilities have ended). That is why no one is classed as a POW in the 'War on Terrorism'. 'Enemy Combatant' is an attempt to circumvent international law and it is taking place outside the United States to attempt to circumvent American law as well. The circumvention of international law also prevents Khadr from being labeled a child soldier, which would prevent him from being tried in any court. Child soldiers are supposed to be released back into their society once conflict is over. The most cited example is of child soldiers in Sierra Leone, who were reintroduced into society and not held legally responsible for their actions. So the question could be asked; which country is a supporter of international law and the rights of child soldiers, America or Sierra Leone? It is a sad state of affairs when Sierra Leone has lessons on morality and law to teach America.
  33. A Downey from Canada writes: Let the treasonous, terrorist piece of dirt rot.
  34. Matthew McKenzie from Thunder Bay, Canada writes: His father was involved in the bombing of an Egyptian embassy and then he was able to come back to Canada and collect disability. All the while laughing at what a bunch of suckers Canadians are.

    As a read in one article, Canada can't punish teenage auto thieves, do you really expect Canada to punish a terrorist. His family has always sympathised with terrorists.

    Leave him in Guantanamo Bay because there will actually be justice there. Here the Liberal judges would just accept a sob story and he will be back to his old tricks in no time.
  35. F H from Canada writes: He must come home. We are signatories (in fact we were the FIRST country to sign) the UN Treaty to Protect Child Soldiers in which it is stipulation extremely clearly that ALL children caught up in war who are under the age of 18 are to be kept away from adult prisoners, are the be deprogrammed and rehabilitated.

    What country he was in, who his parents are and what he has been accused of doing are completely immaterial.

    We, as a country, gave our word to uphold the Treaty. Our honour as a country depends on our word being our bond.
  36. Rich fisher from Human Rights Detention Centre, Canada writes: Why do we 'NEED' to send the Kadhr home , and not Shreiber?

    Oh right,.. it all has to do with how the Liberal Party Of Canada fares.
  37. F H from Canada writes: Don Wells, we (and the Americans) are there at the invitation of the Afghani government, ergo, we're not at war with them, ergo none of your arguments have anything to do with the situation.
  38. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: Matthew McKenzie from Thunder Bay, Canada writes: Leave him in Guantanamo Bay because there will actually be justice there. Here the Liberal judges would just accept a sob story and he will be back to his old tricks in no time.

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    Guantanamo Bay was established to circumvent justice, not provide it. It is an intelligence gathering facility, according to the military.

    An open affront to international (and American) law is no way for a country to act and the very fact Canada is letting this happen is disgraceful.
  39. Ed Long from Canada writes: An accidental citizenship of convenience to get Canadian medi-care by a family whose scion was an Al Quaida operative arrested in Pakistan and given clemency through the direct appeal of Jean Chretien.

    Punch holes in his Canadian passport and FedEx it collect to Gitmo.
  40. Don Wells from Canada writes: Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes-Child soldiers are supposed to be released back into their society once conflict is over. Which society is that?---
  41. D Brown from Canada writes: Are we not in Afghanistan to bring up their standards of living and establish the rule of law?

    Yet, when that same law is applied in some way you don't like, people want to 'let him rot'. This is a human being who is Accused of a crime. Big word Accused. You either beleive in the law or you don't, let the courts decide.

    You can't have it both ways without looking like a hypocrite.
  42. matt mcnaughton from Edmonton, Canada writes: Lefties love welfare because it gives them armies of useless 'activists' to chant inane slogans and pretend to represent the opinions of working Canadians. Here's a thought: suspend people's right to vote as long as they're on welfare. And here's another thought: Khadr is well fed and taken care of in Guantanamo. Why is it so important that he while away his time in a Canadian prison instead? What's the point of this exercise?
  43. Ned Chiwalski from Oilberta, Canada writes: This 'kid' is accused of killing a US soldier. His parents are admitted supporters of the taliban. Let him rot in Cuba and deport the rest of his family.
  44. Joe Black from Canada writes: Yawn. Same tired arguements, same tired name-calling. Like it or not, the guys a Canadian citizen. As such our government has taken on legal responisbility for his well being. If you have problems with who and who is not a citizen, vote new people in and change the laws. Otherwise shut the hell up.
  45. D Brown from Canada writes: Divide and conquer.... make us fight each other with the false paradigms called Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative. We are all human with individual wants and needs, placing us in boxes only serves the interests of those who would control and manipulate us for their own ends.

    Once you see the world free of these false paradigms you will truely be free.
  46. Just a Thinker from Canada writes: Don Wells, Well said.
  47. F H from Canada writes: 'The main 'social group' I see doing the pressing is the Globe and Mail itself. Shouldn't a newspaper be reporting the news instead of trying to make it?'

    Actually, it's world-wide news now. Canada is being made a laughing stock by Harper's licking of Bush's boots. The rest of the world is also now aware that our word as a country is utterly worthless, now that we've broken Internation Law, the Geneva Conventions and the UN Treaty to Protect Child Soldiers.
  48. Don Wells from Canada writes: If the soldier killed could had been a Canadian which could have easily been the case, would you bring him back to Canada to face murder charges?
  49. Bill G from Calgary, Canada writes: That boy (and his family) cooked his own goose. Too bad, so sad.
  50. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    He should be rotting with his dead dad... instead he's been saved by an American that he tried to kill.

    Face your crime 'kid'.
  51. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: Don Wells from Canada writes: Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes-Child soldiers are supposed to be released back into their society once conflict is over. Which society is that?---

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    Moot point. Canada, Afghanistan, the Vatican, not really that important.

    The issue is an illegal trial circumventing international and American law.
  52. Just a Thinker from Canada writes: F H from Canada writes: Don Wells, we (and the Americans) are there at the invitation of the Afghani government, ergo, we're not at war with them, ergo none of your arguments have anything to do with the situation.
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    You are right, we arn't at war with the Afghan government, we are at war with the Terrorists , which is who Khadr was fighting with when he was captured. Therefore, he can be held as a POW or a Terrorist or a Child Soldier until the war is over.
  53. Joe Black from Canada writes: On another note, those of you who have nothing better to do than disparage your faceless opponents with grade 3 name calling 'hippy' 'commy' 'nazi' 'stupidhead' 'welfare bum': could get off your asses and send your MP a letter if you really are worried about this.
  54. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: Just a Thinker from Canada writes: F H from Canada writes: Don Wells, we (and the Americans) are there at the invitation of the Afghani government, ergo, we're not at war with them, ergo none of your arguments have anything to do with the situation.
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    You are right, we arn't at war with the Afghan government, we are at war with the Terrorists , which is who Khadr was fighting with when he was captured. Therefore, he can be held as a POW or a Terrorist or a Child Soldier until the war is over.

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    His trial is scheduled to start this Fall. Against international and American law.

    You also said it wasn't a war then said they can hold him until the war is over. Which is it? War or no war?
  55. Al Bore from OTTAWA, Canada writes:

    Where's the petition to have his family expelled from Canada?
  56. Bruce Gerrard from Toronto, Canada writes: Here's a hint - Why don't we tell the protesters to get a JOB and become active contributing members of our society. Had Omar Khadr and his father taken the same advice, neither would be where they are right now.
    They made their own choices and now are dealing with the consequences. No one should feel sorry them.
  57. N J W from Toronto, Canada writes: How about bringing Mr Khadr 'home' to Pakistan ?
  58. Joe Black from Canada writes: Bruce Gerrard from Toronto, Canada: I know at least some United Church members have jobs: they're called clergy. Actually I've met a few that have other jobs as well, though I'm not of that faith myself.
  59. The Wight from Canada writes: The reason he needs to come back is because the legal process in Gitmo isn't even remotely close to a fair trial. Period. We need go no further than that statement. It doesn't matter WHO is on trial or WHAT they are being tried for. The minute you have a bogus court operating under a bogus invented body of law, the Canadian government should be on it in a heartbeat to get you home for real justice.

    If we can give Robert Pickton, Clifford Olson and Paul Bernardo a fair trial, we can give a 16 year old kid who might have tossed a grenade over a wall a fair trial, too.
  60. Bill Smith from The wilds of the GTA, Canada writes: Child soldier by whose definition? Mr. Khadr, in Afganistan would have been considered an adult at the time of his capture by American troops. Let's not forget he has aligned himself with a movement that is fighting Canadian troops and would love to wage Jihad on Canada and Khadr engaged American troops on foreign battlefield killing a few.

    From where I sit, considering his family's use of Canadian citizenship as a flag of convience for their activities, why do we want this man to be our problem?

    If Mr Khadr killed some Canadian troops in his Afgan adventures, then sure, bring the lad home and throw the book at him. Let's remember this this boy/man fought for a stateless military/terrorist movement based on a really strict Wahabist strain of Sunni Islam, engaged a foreign army on foreign battlefield.
  61. F H from Canada writes: 'Ed Long from Canada writes: An accidental citizenship of convenience'

    Actually, he was born here and lived here until he was 12 when his monster of a father took him to Afghanistan. He had no say in the matter.
  62. F H from Canada writes: 'Don Wells from Canada writes: If the soldier killed could had been a Canadian which could have easily been the case, would you bring him back to Canada to face murder charges?'

    No, as we have given our word as a country that ALL children under the age of 18 are to be rehabilitated, deprogrammed and helped. If we make an exception for anyone, regardless of the nationality of the one he is ACCUSED BUT NOT PROVEN of killing, our word and honour as a country is destroyed.
  63. Eddie Kated from Canada writes:

    Send JC down there to get him out. He got Omar's daddy set free so HE could kill again.

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  64. F H from Canada writes: 'N J W from Toronto, Canada writes: How about bringing Mr Khadr 'home' to Pakistan '

    It helps in an discussion if you know at least the bare minimum about the subject discussed. He was born and raised in CANADA.
  65. Gardiner Westbound from Canada writes:
    Though the left-lib media, especially the CBC and Globe have their shorts in a knot about Khadr, the majority of Canadians are not losing any sleep.
  66. F H from Canada writes: 'Bill Smith from The wilds of the GTA, Canada writes: Child soldier by whose definition'

    By our definition when we signed the UN Treaty to Protect Child Soldiers (any child under the age of 18) and by International Law, both of which we're signatory to.
  67. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: ryan jensen from hamilton, if in any of those countries you received an unfair trial (even by their standard of law) or blatantly illegal trial (under international law) do you think the Canadian government should do nothing to help you?

    I think it is the responsibility of the government to do everything that it can to protect it's citizens from such illegal trials.
  68. ryan jensen from hamilton, Canada writes: @ Social Activists

    I have decide that I am going to Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Beijing. In each of these cities I am going to commit armed robbery. Should a shoot out with the local constabulary ensure I will engage these men with armed force, MAYBE even shooting a few.

    If/when I am caught you social activists had DAMN WELL BETTER ensure that the current PM DEMANDS that I be repatriated and receive a financial settlement for the mistreatment I received while incarcerated.

    I am after all a CANADIAN (lol) and my issues ARE the fault of my dad. Except the ones that are the fault of my mom.
  69. John MacDuff from United States writes: I wonder how all the chest-thumpers of the 'hang'em high' crowd who adore American justice explain the strange case of John Walker Lindh, the American Tailiban. One can see his story on the Wikipedia.

    John Walker Lindh is up for a presidential pardon this year by the way. It seems that if you come from a well connected Republican family then Treason --- well, it's not such a big deal.

    The whole point of Gitmo is that it is not subject to the American justice system, that's why it is in Cuba.
  70. Stephen Green from North Saanich BC, Canada writes: No sympathy for Khadr or his family. In fact the entire family should be booted out of Canada.
  71. Michael B from Canada writes: My God. It's like there was a space-time rip and all the freaky lynch mobs from the southern states in Colonial times have suddenly showed up and started posting on the G&M forums.

    Forget due process, forget facts, forget the whole torture thingy, forget Citizenship, forget age, forget everything.

    We think he's a dirty stinky terrorist, so KILL HIM, HANG HIM, BURN HIM, TAKE HIM AWAY. He was a CHILD, the witness CHANGED HIS STORY, and on, and on, and on. There are so many reasons to bring him back but you all hate the very idea of a terrorist so much that you've turned into murderous animals. It's disgusting.

    How have you all fallen so far that you let your fear dominate you so?
  72. Mike........ Just Mike from Toronto, Canada writes: If he is brought here then he should be charged with high treason and if guilty jailed for life. His disgusting mother should have her citizenship revoked and or be tried as an accessory to treason and jailed.
  73. Michael B from Canada writes: Ryan Jensen, either you're not trying very hard or you're an idiot. a) if you were tortured in one of those countries, then yes, we should bring you back b) Afghanistan was a war-zone, Omar wasn't committing armed robbery, he was interpreting (at the orders of his father) for a terrorist, and he was possibly involved in throwing a grenade at soldiers who were attacking him c) No one is asking for him to get a financial settlement I could go on, but you probably stopped reading at 'a)'
  74. Michael B from Canada writes: Mike........ Just Mike from Toronto, Canada, do you know anything about his mother? Anything at all? Do you think it's normal to throw someone in jail for life, call them disgusting, and whatever other punishment you're asking for when you don't even have any idea other than the few mentions she's gotten in headlines?

    You should be ashamed.
  75. Randy D from Canada writes: Tell these left-wing 'social' groups to go to h*ll.
  76. Jesse Winger from Calgary SW, Canada writes: Mama Khadr, with her sick views on jihad, should have no bearing on the holding of a child soldier in Cuba.
    The kid was brainwashed, was a child soldier when captured and has been tortured by his American captors.

    It's pretty clear to me: bring him home. Britain and Australia have brought their detainees home: what's taking Harper so darn long? Does he support child abuse?
  77. Michael B from Canada writes: Jesse, Harper and the government under his leadership apparently supports A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G if it means pleasing Baby Bush. Disgusting.
  78. Canadian Woman from Canada writes: I have come to the conclusion that it is the NeoCons who must be on welfare, unemployed, or reallly old in order to have the time to submit their hate-filled and illogical rhetoric to these boards. FACTS: 1. Omar Khadr was a child soldier. As has been pointed out, CANADA (our country) is a signatory to a legal document called the UN Treaty to Protect Child Soldier. Thus, we have a Legal obligation to protect Khadr from prosecution. 2. Under the Geneva Convention, of which Canada is a signatory, the entire set-up at Guantanamo is illegal. Thus Canada has a Legal obligation to remove any Canadian citizen from this situation. 3. Khadr is a Canadian cirizen, born & raised in Canada. As such, Canada has a legal Responsiblity to protect his rights from illegal governments &/or organizations representing those governments - i.e. Guantanamo Prison. 4. The U.S. has has admitted using torture on inmates at Guantanamo. Canada is a signatory to the UN Declaration Against Torture & has reason to reasonably conclude that Khadr is not being treated well. Thus, has legal responsibility to remove him from there.
  79. Skeptical Realist from Canada writes: I am all for reuniting the Khadar family. We should do it in some other country just after we take back their Canadian passports. This is not just about Omar. The entire family should be investigated, charged, convicted and then deported.

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/04/the-khadrs-canadas-first-family-of-terrorism.html
  80. Canadian Woman from Canada writes: MICHAEL B.: THANK YOU for your comments!!! EXACTLY!!!
  81. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Michael B from Canada writes: ... How have you all fallen so far that you let your fear dominate you so?
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    You are exactly the kind of Canadian people like the Khadrs love ... those that can easily be taken advantage of.
  82. Big Wayne Kerr from Kumbaya, Canada writes: 'Social Groups' like what bridge clubs? My Nana's tea-party?
    What a stupid term.
    Try Meddling unelected busybodies. That's more accurate.
  83. Kathleen Degelder from ProxyCondoleeza Rice, Canada writes: Sceptical Realist: You are correct but the stupid Amnesty Internationals and their Lawyers, Osgoode Muslim Lawyers: They always lie and use the excuse of torture.---
  84. F H from Canada writes: 'Skeptical Realist from Canada writes: I am all for reuniting the Khadar family. We should do it in some other country just after we take back their Canadian passports. This is not just about Omar. The entire family should be investigated, charged, convicted and then deported'

    I agree.

    They have victimized him since birth and should be charged with child endangerment and abuse, incarcerated then kicked out of the country.

    Of course when it comes to Omar, Omar is a Canadian Citizen thus, of course, cannot be deported. We also have a legal obligation to protect him and to follow our vows to protect children (he was only a little boy of 12 when his father took him over there) and to respect habeus corpus.

    As for his family, good riddance.
  85. Big Wayne Kerr from Kumbaya, Canada writes: Just in case any of you send a dime to Maude Barlow's hysterical luddites you should know that the self-styled 'Council of Canadians' is marching to support the little murderer.
  86. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Canadian Woman from Canada, you seem to put a lot of faith in the UN. Exactly what good has the UN done lately? It has become an inefficient and corrupt organization.
  87. Michael B from Canada writes: Really P Jones? Exactly how am I being taken advantage of? By protecting Omar's basic human rights, rights as a canadian citizen, rights under international laws, I am protecting myself and my children to come by ensuring that we don't descend into some kind of mob-justice police state.

    I would submit that you are being taken advantage of by the lying neocons who appeal to your baser mob mentality in order to achieve political and economic goals that normally would be impossible due to world-wide outrage. I would submit that you are being taken advantage of by those who allowed 9/11 to happen and have ever since exploited it to sow fear and panic to, once again, achieve political and economic goals that would normally be impossible due to world-wide outrage.
  88. F H from Canada writes: 'You are exactly the kind of Canadian people like the Khadrs love ... those that can easily be taken advantage of. '

    I rather think they prefer people who will give up their rights and laws all for a little piece of perceived safety. The moment we start acting like our enemy, we BECOME the enemy. So far, looking at the States and Harper and his frightened ilk, the terrorists are winning.
  89. The Wight from Canada writes: Ryan Jensen:

    'If/when I am caught you social activists had DAMN WELL BETTER ensure that the current PM DEMANDS that I be repatriated and receive a financial settlement for the mistreatment I received while incarcerated.'

    Jesus, wipe the drool off your chin for a second and relax a bit.

    Having Khadr repatriated in no way, shape or form means that we are just going to let him go free. It means he'll face justice in Canada rather than at some OK Corral courtroom in Gitmo.

    We know the courts down there are bogus. The military judge that was at the head of the whole tribunal system quit as a result of the administration pressure for guilty verdicts and more or less said they were. Many military lawyers (some even employed as prosecutors) are on record as saying the system is bogus, too. Do they have to start establishing guilt with a big wheel they spin or by allowing the public to text 'guilty' to 711105 before you wake up?
  90. Let me tell You How It Is from Seattle, Washington, United States writes: Those who are criminally negligent for that nice Canadian Omar's situation are Canada and Canadians for doing nothing as usual not removing him from his abusive and manipulative nice Canadian parents and culture from the time he was born in 1987 through living in Toronto and onto Afghanistan.
    Where were the Canadian Child Protective services? When that loser Jean Chretien went to Pakistan and on his hands and knees begged the dictator of Pakistan to release Omar's nice Canadian Dad he jolly well knew Omar was being abused and manipulated and at a militant camp but Jean did nothing.
    At least Omar is recieving First rate US medical and psychiatric care something that Canadians were negligent in doing.
    Not to worry though because eventually this nice psychotic anti-social murdering lunatic will be coming home to Canada and will be walking Canadians streets free. When Omar is home you guys can award him Canada's new Victoria Cross for bravery and the Order of Canada.
  91. Michael B from Canada writes: P Jones, exactly how have they become inefficient and corrupt? Inefficient because they try to stall the Americans going to illegal war (Iraq)? Or corrupt for the same reasons?

    I find that the UN tends to be the voice of reason, they are an important world body, and pretty much everyone except for the Superpowers seeking domination (and, recently, their lapdogs) respect and are much engaged in the UN.
  92. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Michael B from Canada writes: ... I would submit that you are being taken advantage of by ...
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    Submit what you want, but it's the Khadrs who take advantage of the benefits of living in Canada and then turn around spit on it and our allies. By supporting the Khadrs in any way, you are also being taken advantage of.
  93. Michael B from Canada writes: Let me tell you, that is an exact copy-paste of something you posted on an Omar thread a week or two ago... You're pathetic.

    I responded to you then point by point and I won't waste my time doing so again, so here's the paraphrase:

    We do not live in a police state. We can't know what parents are doing all the time, and even though 1 in many 10's of millions may end up being brought up in a very un-Canadian way, it's still better than having EVERYONE constantly under the thumb of Uncle Sam. And kindly don't refer to someone who has not been proven guilty of ANYTHING as a 'psychotic anti-social murdering lunatic'. You're actually probably more likely of living up to those adjectives than he is.
  94. Michael B from Canada writes: P Jones did you read anything I said about due process, laws, not wanting to descend into a mob-mentality police state? Do you comprehend these things? Do they fit into your little brain, or do they make your head go 'owchie'?

    It's better to follow the law and give people their rights and have MOST people live well under them and have a few do bad things than it is to give nobody rights. idiot.
  95. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: F H from Canada writes: ... I rather think they prefer people who will give up their rights and laws all for a little piece of perceived safety ...
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    I am all for maintaining rights and laws ... for those who abide by them and are willing to accept the values of their host country. The Khadrs have no intention of being productive contributors to Canada and its well-being. Why should they benefit? That's a rhetorical question.
  96. Michael B from Canada writes: P Jones, I have different values from you (and so, arguably, do many many Canadians), so I think you shouldn't be Canadian anymore. I want your citizenship revoked.

    Oh and because we've arbitrarily decided this, you get no rights, so you're going to Gitmo, where you'll be tortured and whatever else forever.
  97. Gossipy Old Busybody from Canada writes: I hope the less enlightened on this board realize that people like Michael B and Canadian Woman are standing up for the same rights and international laws that you are enjoying daily but are deprived from millions around the world, including Khadr.

    You can hate him, his family, terrorists and the such all you like. It doesn't change the fact that the trial and detention in Cuba is against more than one international law, more than one international treaty and against more than one American law.

    We aren't here to support the character or morals of Omar, his family or jihadists. We are commenting on rights afforded to ALL PEOPLE regardless of nationality, guilt, innocence under Canadian-signed treaties and international law.
  98. P Jones from NB, Canada writes: Michael B from Canada writes: P Jones, exactly how have they become inefficient and corrupt? ...
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    Don't be naive. For starters, look up the Food for Oil program. Also, when was their last successful mission/intervention?
  99. Unknown User! from Canada writes: im not the BIGGEST Harper fan, but if he sticks with his decision in not doing anything about it, then i just might wanna buy him a beer.

    HARPER FOR MAJORITY
  100. Mike........ Just Mike from Toronto, Canada writes: Well Michael B. I can only go by what his mother said. And that is that she supports the actions of her son and wishes he would die a suicide bomber. You will excuse me If I don't shed a tear. You are a joke. You make me ashamed to indentify with left leaning politics....You are a bleeding heart go cry. These people have vocalized their hate for this country, they have that right, but what they did is tantamount to treason...Well what Omar did was treason. All of their actions happened with the tacit approval of his disgusting mother. Get over yourself.
  101. Michael B from Canada writes: P Jones, I don't really care about your view on the UN to be honest because this is supposed to be about Omar. We can leave that for another day and I'll go reserach the UN and everything they're involved in and we can compare stats then.

    Let's not get distracted from how monumentally wrong you are on the Omar file.
  102. Let me tell You How It Is from Seattle, Washington, United States writes: Sorry Michael B from Canada but your clown Jean Chretien knew that Omar's nice Canadian dad was a freakin militant and he had his family including his nice Canadian son Omar at that Canadian militant camp in Afghanistan learning how to wire up 50KG plastic explosive, how to behead people and how to use an assault rifle to murder liberal thinking innocent law abiding people who had different religious or social views.

    But your clown Jean Chretien did the usual Canadian thing of nothing to try and protect the young innocent 12 year old at the time.

    Way to go Canada-you are to blame for creating this Canadian monster.
  103. Jack Davis from London, Canada writes: Lots of bloodthirsty ranting...he's a terrorist, a murderer, a traitor. Well, we're the good guys, right? We're supposed to believe in the rule of law. Has he had a trial? Nope. But hey, we've read the papers...he's guilty. Who needs a trial?
    American soldiers on the scene have expressed doubt as to whether he killed anyone. His American lawyer -- a Marine Corps officer -- has revealed that documents relevant to the case have been alter