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Vijay Kumar from Canada writes: Russia has and always been a country to be reckoned with. No questions about that.
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Toxic Planet from dead zone USA, Canada writes: Vladimir Putin has suggested the United States was to blame for the war for helping the Georgian military rebuild.
At a meeting Saturday of the State Council, Mr. Medvedev said the world had changed since the beginning of fighting in Georgia last month.
“We have reached a moment of truth. It became a different world after Aug. 8,&8221; he said.
The USA has instigated this misadventure and stirred up another hornets nest in the world. The USA quest for world domination has done enough damage in the world already, the people of america are to blame for all of this. They should pay the price.- Posted 06/09/08 at 1:30 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Canada First from Canada writes:
Hi Toxic Planet,
What's the price?- Posted 06/09/08 at 1:34 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Saskatchewan Seal Hunter Club from Canada writes: Russia 'a country to be reckoned with'
Always was............always will be.- Posted 06/09/08 at 1:42 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Stan Consultant from Canada writes: CANADA FIRST -- Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
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Tony Bennett from Canada writes: To the Georgian nation and all freedom loving people, many quiet Canadians salut you. If Russian 'peace keepers' were ever to come onto Canadian soil, (Arctic) we will do the same as you have done, hopefully with more success. Don't give up, Sarkozy the present day Neville Chamberlain will hopefully give way to a W. Churchhill before this gets too far out of hand.
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Putin's puppet Medveded has spoken.
As if we didn't know that Russia was a country to be reckoned with...
Putin get your a$$ out of Georgia before this warships starts unloading more than blankets.....- Posted 06/09/08 at 2:03 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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leo bloom from radisson, sask, canada, Canada writes: Dick Cheney 'blasted Russian actions in the war as an 'affront to civilized standards' and said that Moscow has given 'no satifactory justification' for invading Georgia...' Did anybody else read that and get a black shiver up and down their spine? We've been reading all week about funding cuts to the arts communities of Canada. Maybe the arts communities should do their part and tell us, by way of their selected mediums, what in blue-blazes is going on, eh? I know who Dick Cheney is; I know who Medvedev and Bush and Putin and Harper and Rice and Blair are - we all know. We all know why America invaded Iraq. But I'd like the arts community to tell me who they are. Where are all the writers and the artists and the song-writers and the film-makers? The Soviet poet Vladimir Mayakovsky once wrote that, 'Art is not a mirror to reflect the world, but a hammer with which to shape it.' We will soon have a general election. The Americans will soon have a general election. So stand up now you artistes! Stand up and be noted! Stand up and show us the Congo and the Balkans and the Middle East and Haiti and Georgia. Stand up and let us see the lower East Side and Jane and Finch and the Indian reserves of this country. Stand up and count for something! Stand up and show us why Cheney is a crook; show us why Russia is waving the mailed fist; show us the aftermath of every disaster that rolls across our big blue eye before it is too late! Stand up! Stand up or go home.
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SL S from Saskatchewan, Canada writes: I never really counted Russia out in the first place. I do wish they would focus their attentions a little more on the economic front rather than this military strength crap but it is nice to see them back to the forefront. The US has been running unchecked for too long. Checks and balances make the world a happier and more profitable place. I'm betting even the US is happy to see Russia exerting a little more mouth than usual. This could be a large benefit to the US economy. Sometimes having an enemy can really give your economic situation a boost.
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Canada First from Canada writes:
Hi Stan,
Not sure what you mean; eye for an eye? or you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours?
Blaming the Georgia-Russia conflict squarely on the shoulders of the US shows no sense of proportion in terms of the underlying drivers in this conflict. Don't for a second think that anyone other than Georgia and Russia are the primary players in this conflict. Russia is blaming the US for conflict in order to gain nationalistic support back home, for whatever endeavours ('misadventures'?) Russia has planned in the upcoming years.
Wishing the American people exact some price for the folleys of two aggressive states in Asia is spiteful and irrelevant.- Posted 06/09/08 at 2:12 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Chairman Meow from Catalina Catamaran, Canada writes: Putting a substantial US presence in Poland (ABMs, military base) is a big mistake given the centuries of invasions and threats thereof by those outside Russia. True, the soviets did their share of throwing their military weight around (All those chest medals must of been quite hefty). However, as a Canadian born of parents who came out of the Hell of WWII, I see no purpose, and in fact danger, in making Russia feel encircled and isolated.
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Victor Skovorodnikov from Vancouver, Canada writes: Why can't US be more like Switzerland? Or Canada?! Peaceful, neutral. What happened to US philosophy of 'splendid isolation'? I really liked them then. If US was like that, we would have peace in the world forever. I just hope Obama will get elected and we'll have a hope for peace.
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Chairman Meow
How can you encirle a country the size of Russia. Are you blind or something?
As for feeling isolated well its just like the crocodile in the comic strips. How can you have friends when you intend to eat them???
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Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: A few posters here with absolutely no idea of the socio-economic situation inside Russia today and what that means for the Russians themselves and Europe tomorrow. It's too bad that Putin thinks his future best lies in obfuscating European intentions rather than joining and participating. Perhaps you have to be a Russian citizen to see just how close the revolution is.
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
All this from the people who invented the 'Russian Roulette'.- Posted 06/09/08 at 2:26 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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george simko from Canada writes: Kak vy pozhiv ayetye,Vladimir Putin?
Posture all you want,Russian hegemony is finished.
Do svidanya.- Posted 06/09/08 at 2:30 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Chairman Meow from Catalina Catamaran, Canada writes: To Maurice Fillion: By encircling I, of course, meant politically, but I thought people would realize that. Obviously not you. As for 'crocodile' from the comic strips you mention I think perhaps you have eaten far too many Pogo Sticks and a glob of the corn meal or hotdog has become lodged in what may have formerly been your centres of higher reasoning. Just stick to your comic strips and stay away from here.
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Jah Nee Kah Sun from Canada writes: Those Ruskies make great assault rifles
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M Liggins from Perth, Canada writes: Empty rhetoric given an aging rusty military apparatus (see Janes defence review)
Typical sabre rattling by Putin to elbow his way onto the world stage.
Perhaps we need to think about:
a> Putin attempting to raise oil prices to bolster the russian influx of foreign currency?
b> Typical posturing to avoid the russian populace from seeing the bankruptcy of the russian institutions?
c> Putin playing to the hawks and promoting an empty nationalism?
Go read strafor, economist and other non aligned sources, you may be surprised- Posted 06/09/08 at 2:54 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Don Smith from Toronto, Canada writes: SL S from Saskatchewan, Canada writes: '...Sometimes having an enemy can really give your economic situation a boost. ' This is exactly the purpose of US policy, however, not the sole one.
First, enslaving Russians will support a few more decades of the resource-wasting life style of the US. Second, a major military conflict will allow the US to write off its nearing economic collapse.
The US will only get it once the war action hits its shores. The americans simply do not realize the horrors of the full-fledged warfare on its territory. Have they had the taste of it, they wouldn't be pushing other peoples around as they have been doing.
US probably needs to see somebody's missiles installed in the countries around them to start respecting other countries' security.- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:02 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Alastair james Berry from Nanaimo BC, Canada writes: Sure Russia must be reckoned with from now on.........If the USA would only keep it's nose out of other countyy's business the World would be a lot quieter and a much safer place to live! Bin Laden articulated his 3 reasons for attacking the USA quite succinctly............. but the USA has only rectified one of the reasons and that is why the tension in the world remains. Twenty men,a dozen boxcutters,$60,000 and a Plan and the USA has been destroyed as a prosperous nation, respected by the world! Bin Laden was a strategic genius. There are obviously some in high places in Washington who believe that the USA's Domination of the World , as laid out in 'THE PROJECT for a NEW AMERICAN CENTURY', is still achieveable. And judging by the scurrying round the world, and the scolding they do, CONDYLOMA RICE and DICK CHENEY are two of them!! AMERICAN DOMINATION has vanished over the horizon and CHINA is ready willing and able, to step up on the pedestal vacated by the USA, ' the World's Sole Super Power! ' The world economic meltdown, that has commenced, is evidence of this sea change, in the WORLD'S GEOPOLITICS.
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The Bull from Canada writes: the only thing to worry about in a country where 90% of the country is drunk at any given time is whether or not the generals that control the nukes stay sober.
without oil and nukes, Russia is a second-world country at best.- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:13 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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C Oslie from Canada writes: It sure didn't take long to jump from communism to fascism. I guess all it really takes to switch from one flavour of totalitarian to another is a bit of time to retool the propaganda.
Always under the thumb of one Czar or other, the titles are the only thing that seem to change.- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:24 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: The fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War were among the greatest achievements of the last 100 years. The expansion of NATO to within spitting distance of Moscow, and the agreement to install missiles there, were two of the stupidest and most dangerous moves of the past 100 years. The PNAC team has lead Bush, and the rest of us, into a provocative, unnecessary, and extremely hazardous set of circumstances.
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Randal Oulton from Toronto, Canada writes: Medvedev's actually got a few points: what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>> Victor Skovorodnikov from Vancouver, Canada writes: What happened to US philosophy of 'splendid isolation'? I really liked them then.
If you liked them then (pre-1916), then surely you will also remember that we were the ones who knocked ourselves out to drag them out of their splendid isolation.- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:39 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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a salajan from To, Canada writes: The Bull from Canada writes: the only thing to worry about in a country where 90% of the country is drunk at any given time is whether or not the generals that control the nukes stay sober.
without oil and nukes, Russia is a second-world country at best.
Ignorance is bliss...
What is Canada without gas and oil? Oh, I forgot: we have Canadarm and RIM.- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:41 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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john wardle from Canada writes: Violent primitive animals.
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brian silva from Canada writes: The Bull from Canada writes: the only thing to worry about in a country where 90% of the country is drunk at any given time is whether or not the generals that control the nukes stay sober.
without oil and nukes, Russia is a second-world country at best.
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that pretty much describes it all - well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:50 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: Victor Skovorodnikov from Vancouver, Canada writes: Why can't US be more like Switzerland? Or Canada?! Peaceful, neutral. What happened to US philosophy of 'splendid isolation'? I really liked them then. If US was like that, we would have peace in the world forever. I just hope Obama will get elected and we'll have a hope for peace. _________________________________________________________________________________ Victor. The reason Switzerland have been peaceful and neutral country for over 500 years? -- They produced the best soldiers in Europe and no one wanted to fight the best soldiers without ability to hire the best mercenaries. Canadian soldiers became peace keepers because of their huge contributions in WWI and WWII. People like Obama will make a joke out of US
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Anon Anon from Canada writes: The US rushes 'humanitarian' aid to Georgia which is good politics but neglects Haiti, a basket case in its own backyard. What hypocrites.
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toco- mak from moonbeam, Canada writes: Canada should be a country to be reckoned with too--we need nuclear bombs, big ones and lots of them... I'd like to send one off right now, blow those comie reds right up.
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: A few posters here with absolutely no idea of the socio-economic situation inside Russia today and what that means for the Russians themselves and Europe tomorrow. It's too bad that Putin thinks his future best lies in obfuscating European intentions rather than joining and participating. Perhaps you have to be a Russian citizen to see just how close the revolution is. ____________________________________________________________________ Phil what are yours qualifications?
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warron yu from Canada writes: Insane Neocons Will Drive Us to War with Russia and Nuclear Confrontation
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
September 5, 2008
In the video here, Sarah Palin wants us to believe the Russians invaded Georgia because they are after the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline and want to “divide and intimidate our European allies.&8221;
No, Ms. Palin is not stupid, even if she has no idea why Russia went into Georgia &8212; to put an end to the Georgian murder spree against the people of South Ossetia, a criminal act encouraged by the United States and Israel.
Palin is simply pushing the neocon line, even if it takes outrageous and absurdly transparent lies. Sarah Palin had her script written for her, same as McCain and Bush: they are all sock puppets for the neocons.
I hate to say it, but Paul Craig Roberts is right &8212; we are headed for nuclear war. If the neocons have their way &8212; and it looks like they will, especially if McCain is ushered into office &8212; the United States will continue to push Russia in the corner by installing missile systems on their border.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJ42cjJCOM
FULL ARTICLE AT INFOWARS.COM- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:57 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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warron yu from Canada writes: Cheney went to Georgia and told the mental case Saakashvili his country will be part of NATO. “Cheney&8217;s trip was intended as a signal that the United States will continue cultivating close ties with Georgia and its neighbors even after Russia showed it was willing to use military force against countries along its border,&8221; reports the Associated Press.
Cheney shopped around the newly minted neocon line. &8220;Speaking in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, following a meeting with Ilham Aliyev, the country&8217;s president, Mr Cheney said energy security was an &8216;increasingly urgent&8217; issue,&8221; reports the Financial Times.
Palin&8217;s speech at the RNC introduced this new talking point. As should be expected, the corporate media has received its script from the Pentagon. &8220;There are concerns that the Kremlin might next squeeze Ukraine as it tries to reclaim dominance in the region. That strategically situated country of 46 million has pipelines that carry Russian gas to Europe.&8221;- Posted 06/09/08 at 3:59 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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warron yu from Canada writes: Russia does not want to reclaim its dominance. It wants the U.S. to stop trying to box it in with missile systems, tinhorn dictatorships clustered on its borders, and provocative, incendiary rhetoric.
I usually avoid the crystal ball, but I can’t help it in this instance. Obama will be defeated in November. The Rovian machine has something dirty on Barack Obama and if that does not work there are the voting machines. If you think another stolen election will be resisted, consider the second part of the above video &8212; the police state unleashed in Minnesota was but a taste of things to come. Besides, the average American cannot be bothered, he does not really care if it is McCain or Obama, so long as there are sit-coms and football games like Roman bread and circuses.- Posted 06/09/08 at 4:01 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: I think West got to call Medvedev on his bluff. Russian army is very poorly equip t. They take in everyone they can get hands on. Yes they amassed large force to hit Georgian army where Sergeants I served with bought themselves Colonel ranks. I saw Russian equipment used in Georgian invasion was at least 20 years old. West got to act now
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Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: Tim Rutkevich, Phil what are yours qualifications? What do I need to qualify my opinion that would best suit you?
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: warron yu from Canada writes: Russia does not want to reclaim its dominance. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No Russia does not want to reclaim its dominance -- just two short men in charge have Napoleonic syndrome.
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: Tim Rutkevich, Phil what are yours qualifications? -- I am able to read, listen and understand not only Russian official propaganda, but also read, understand Russian jokes, humor and other socio-economic tendencies.
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Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: Tim Rutkevich, So what are you saying? Only you have that ability? Your post doesn't make any sense, or we have a breakdown in english communication.
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Frank Enstein from Montreal, Canada writes: Russia: a wanabe superpower with a complex!
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: Tim Rutkevich, So what are you saying? Only you have that ability? Your post doesn't make any sense, or we have a breakdown in english communication. We can switch to Russian
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Wulfher SkullSplitter from Canada writes: The US invasion of Iraq was instrumental in making such a conflict possible. The whole world now clearly knows the limits of the US military. After the invasion NK and Iran were not afraid to defy the USA so why should Mother Russia fear them. I don't agree with everything that the Russians are doing but the US actions were not any better. We may be at the Cuban middle crisis all over again. The problem is that the GOP is still in charge.
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: The fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Cold War were among the greatest achievements of the last 100 years. The expansion of NATO to within spitting distance of Moscow, and the agreement to install missiles there, were two of the stupidest and most dangerous moves of the past 100 years_______________ __________________________________________________________________________ No David, canceling air support for Bay of Pigs was the stupidest and most dangerous move in the past 100 years. Seconded by trying to appease Hitler and giving Hitler Czech republic
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Ben SGT/USMC from United States writes:
Oh no!... not the Russians!- Posted 06/09/08 at 4:30 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: Tim Rutkevich, you still haven't answered my question. What were you asking for my qualifications? What am I to qualify?
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: The Bull from Canada writes: the only thing to worry about in a country where 90% of the country is drunk at any given time is whether or not the generals that control the nukes stay sober.
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Joke of russian humorist Zadornov - 'it is good, that the american generals do not know secret of the russian army. Never our country happens such defenceless, as on February, 23rd! It is less protected only in the morning on February, 24th!' p.s. On February, 23rd - Day of the Russian army.- Posted 06/09/08 at 4:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Tim Rutkevich from Canada writes: Philip McRae you got to know what you talking about before you push your Marxism on us.
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P Grrr from Ottawa, Canada writes: If history has taught any lessons, don't mess with Russia. They will defend their borders and brethen. They've been invaded many times and like all countries are very sensitive about their borders as they should be. (Mongols/Tatars, Germanic Crusaders/Teutonic Knights, Napoleon and his allies, Central Powers during WWI, Western Allies (including U.S. British, French and Canadian forces) in Murmansk, Archangel and Vladivostok (1918-1920) at the time of the Russian Revolution, Nazi Germany during WWII and border clashes with China in '69)
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skeptical Observer from Canada writes: I have been saying i for the past two years. The Georgians were a militant and brainwashed society where 99% support bush policies. Saakashvilli reaffirmed my beliefs when he massacred two thousand south ossetians, with his bombing campaign funded equipped and planned by american and israeli military trainers and equipment. There is something seriously wrong with these three societies georgia, america, and israel and the sooner the world realizes it the better. I dont think usa liked it when russian missiles were based in Cuba. Maybe russia can put '10 defensive missiles' there. Finally the russian bear has awoken to this reality of angry and militant culture at its border who have violent and aggressive foreign policies that seek to only create war death and destruction. USA has taken a turn for the worst and has been quickly turning into a illegitmate fascist state where international laws such as Nafta, and the geneva conventions mean nothing, rigged elections are the norm and killing hundreds of thousands of people with shock and awe wars has become a reality tv show, where the whole american family can enjoy. what a bunch of barbarians. Ameircan society has become dysfunctional and needs to reinvent itself, and it only has one more chance to do it.
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Roop Misir from Toronto, Canada writes: Many people just are not prepared to sell the Russians short!
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Philip McRae from Vancouver, Canada writes: Roop Misir, no, but the Russians have proven that they are more than willing to undercut the many peoples that make up Russia rather than find workable and harmonious solutions. They have also proven that they have no problem undercutting their neighbors to impose themselves there either. Russia had a very real opportunity to become an ally but chose to isolate itself. The breakaway former satellites natural sought the mutual protection offered by NATO. Russia has no one to blame but themselves.
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david ding from Canada writes: See the New York Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/world/europe/07alborova.html?ref=world- Posted 06/09/08 at 5:30 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: C Oslie from Canada writes: You Sir, are a fool. An out of date fool at that. That casualty figure was refuted long ago, the Russians aren't even claiming it anymore and it was never remotely credible in the first place. It's been reduced to ~140 from some sources to under a hundred from others.
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You too give not the true information. Today in news on TV it was informed, that the government of South Ossetia have given the information on ~350 identified lost peace inhabitants. Add to this figure the neolearnt corpses. Add missing persons. The total figure should be more.
Russia - not an angel. In Russia ignore the information on marauding and violence in Georgia. It is a crime. To me as to Russian, it is a shame with these facts. But how it changes a situation? In any case - Georgia the first has attacked a peace city. In any case - the Georgian army shot from tanks at apartment houses. I looked on video Internet, removed by the Georgian soldiers. With jokes and laughter they shot from guns on peace houses. Simply so. B these houses nobody shot on them. There there could be peace inhabitants. What for such cruelty?- Posted 06/09/08 at 6:03 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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peter jones from Canada writes: Saakashvilli needs to go on trial as a vicious pyschopathic mass murdere..even 100 lives is 100 too many . Dead from his actions and the actions of te forces under his command.
When Saakashvilli is in prison on hung by the neck until dead..then the west can admonish Russia for her actions on August 8th and till now.
Al Qaida only killed about 3000 Americans on 9/11. As a result of that the USA iunvaded two countries ..Iraq and Afghanistan..and has killed hundrds and thousands of women and children in doing so.......and the USA has the nerve to talk about 'disproportionate response'
Give me a break ...I want to puke.!!- Posted 06/09/08 at 6:24 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Toxic Planet from dead zone USA, Canada writes: skeptical Observer from Canada writes USA has taken a turn for the worst and has been quickly turning into a illegitmate fascist state where international laws such as Nafta, and the geneva conventions mean nothing, rigged elections are the norm and killing hundreds of thousands of people with shock and awe wars has become a reality tv show, where the whole american family can enjoy. what a bunch of barbarians. Ameircan society has become dysfunctional and needs to reinvent itself, and it only has one more chance to do it.
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The USA has become the most twisted, depraved, corrupt and evil country in the world today. The USA will end up destroying the world, not saving it.- Posted 06/09/08 at 6:27 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Well Well Well, the Russian lovers are back at it again with their ability to spin the truth around.
Whatever the US does is monstruous and whatever Russia does is ok because they are being encircled, provoked, attacked, pushed etc. etc.
Russia is trying to expand again to its USSR days. In order to do this they need the world to beleive that its the other countries that are attacking them. Watch them to try to retake the whole of Georgia and Ukraine and Polland being next on the list....
KGB Putin is seeing and thinking BIG...
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Tesla Pupin from Planet Earth, writes: Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Russia is trying to expand again to its USSR days.
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They certainly can't fool you, eh. Genuine think tank material....- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:11 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Telsa
Did you mispell your family name or is it really a P.- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:19 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Catherine Medernach from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Putin has had an agenda for years and has been making alliances to further that agenda. What happened in Georgia? Not as important at the moment as the Russian belicosity. The problem is not the isolation of Russia - but what they perceive to be the isolation of the US. Everyone is quite willing to blame the US for whoever does whatever and Putin is quite happy to take advantage of this. If the US were on better terms with their European allies, I doubt that we would be hearing this kind of statement.
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Tesla Pupin from Planet Earth, writes: Maurice: 'Tesla Pupin' is my nickname on this forum, not my real name of course.
I'm sure you've heard of Nikola Tesla (not Telsa) and of Mihajlo Pupin? Nothing to do with PuTin. I'm Serbian-Canadian, not Russian.- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:26 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Tesla
Its not that I thought you were his brother, but maybe a distant cousin, never know...- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:32 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: Maurice Fillion from Canada, Do not speak nonsenses... What USSR? What imperial ambitions? We have not enough population, and it is a lot of territory. What for to us still? In any war look, to whom it is favourable... What Russia from war with Georgia has received? Russia has received many problems. The USA has received benefit - at Russia problems. Notice - Russia stirred the USA and Russia had problems. So who the instigator of this war? Now about Ukraine... Putin has told, that Russia does not have territorial claims to Ukraine. We live now without Crimea. We also can live without Crimea in the future. What does the USA? The USA calls Ukraine in NATO. What for the USA calls Ukraine in NATO? I will explain to you. Crimea - not the Ukrainian earth. It recognises even the Ukrainian nationalists at Russian forums. Crimea has been presented to Ukraine in 1954. After disintegration of the USSR, silly Yeltsin has left Crimea to Ukraine. But Yeltsin has signed with Ukraine in 1997 the friendship treaty. In 2nd article of this contract it is written, that Russia has no territorial claims to Ukraine. In 6th article of this contract it is written, that Russia and Ukraine undertake not to conclude the unions with other countries if it threatens other party. The introduction of Ukraine into NATO - infringement of given article and the contract can be terminated. After that, Russia will have a legal right to show to Ukraine claims for Crimea. What do we see now? Russia against the introduction of Ukraine into NATO. The USA call Ukraine in NATO. Yushchenko obeys will of the USA and too advances Ukraine in NATO. I ask you - who now provokes cancellation of the contract of 1997 and creates conflict possibility between Ukraine and Russia?
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Tesla Pupin from Planet Earth, writes: Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Tesla
Its not that I thought you were his brother, but maybe a distant cousin, never know...
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True, you never do know.
That's why one should always inquire before making any assumptions about anyone or anything.- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:40 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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C Oslie from Canada writes: Oleg, the 2000 was a bald faced lie. Is 350 more accurate? I don't know, but it comes from a source with an incentive to lie. And atrocity stories are just that, stories. I've read interviews from S. Ossetian civilians saying Georgian troops told them 'we aren't here to hurt you, and if your men don't shoot at us we won't shoot at them'. But that could just be a story too.
Putin's claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing are lies. I don't know why the Georgians crossed the border. As a response to an escalation of shelling or other provocations? Maybe. Merely to seize control of the province by force, as some claim? Maybe. To preempt a Russian invasion? I don't know. I do however know it wasn't to massacre or remove S. Ossetian civilians.- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:44 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Don Quixote from The drying Mosquito Belt, Ont., Canada writes: I think Russia, like all other countries, is still evolving.
Unlike many other countries, it is sitting on a immense wealth of natural and mineral resources, which with worldwide demand growing, she can sell at world market prices.
If the Russian leadership actually chooses to wield military power, they will with a few more years of raising demand for gas and oil be able to finance not only upgrade of their weaponry, but also pay and streamline their military forces again.
On the peaceful side, Russians could outperform economically the so called 'Western Nations' if they get their act together and drastically improve infrastructure, like highways, widen the rail net and start competing with technology, demand food and industrial production.
However to do that, they would have to clean up the toxic mess, pollution and repair their aging nuclear reactors supplying power.
They also would have to bring under control the drinking habits of a large part of the population, which kills itself off with alcoholism.....- Posted 06/09/08 at 7:49 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Oleg
If you happen to have a good dictionary look up the words
threatening and dissuading.
I'm sure you'll agree that they are different.
Nato is not threatening Russia as far as I know.
US is dissuading with its missile defense.
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Festina Lente from United States writes: Toxic Plannet from Canada: AND JUST THINK WE HAVE ONLY YOUR WORD FOR IT!
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Don Quixote
How will they get rid of the Russian MAFIA????
Unless they do this I can't never see a meaningful future for this nation. There is simply no law and order in that country.
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: C Oslie, On TV have told 350 or 360 - I have not remembered exact figure. I think, it is truthful figure for today. I trust this figure not because I trust authorities. I trust this figure because it has been told officially and any journalist can check up it. Concerning this war... I read about it in mass-media of the different countries. I speak at forums and personally with Russian, Ossetins and Georgians. My opinion (probably I am mistaken) - all in this war behaved badly. There there were few heroes (if at all were), there there were many criminals. Georgians killed the peace population in Tskhinvali. Russian marauded in Poti and did not prevent to kill to Ossetins peace inhabitants. This war - a shame for all. I spoke with the Russian which have emigrated from Ossetia when in 1991 this conflict has begun... All lived in the world - Georgians, Ossetins, Russian. After disintegration of the USSR in ALL republics there were nationalist movements. The majority of these conflicts (for example - in Kazakhstan, at me there there live parents) have done without blood and collisions. In Georgia, have decided to suppress this conflict force. The president of Georgia, Gamsahurdia, was silly and has officially (!) supported ethnic cleaning. Its words - 'Ossetins are not the nation! We will clean their Georgian broom!' It is natural, war has begun. Severe and ruthless. Atrocities were from different directions - Georgians burnt peace Osset inhabitants in sheds, Ossetins cooked the Georgian in coppers. Today we reap the fruits of that time...
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I Think I know what is really happening but nobody would listen anyway from NS, Canada writes: I recall the IMF bailing out Russia back in the 90's. I guess that will give you an idea who owns Russia, the rich/elites. Any new cold war will make about 100000 people on this earth very rich and the rest will inherit the mess. Russia, who cares? maybe Europe does but until the Arctic is ice free and they find oil, Russia is irrelevant to me.
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: Maurice Fillion,
The NATO does not threaten Russia? It is simple words. In Russia know the price to West words. When the USSR has broken up, the USA promised to Gorbachev, that 'the NATO will not promote on inch on the east'. It were simply words and today we see NATO in the east. The West has learnt Russia not to trust words. We trust the facts... If the NATO does not threaten Russia why Russia have given up in reception in NATO? The NATO does not threaten Russia verbally. The NATO operates. Put itself on our place... There is a military block. Your country is not included into this military block. This military block builds bases on border with your country. Places rockets. You will not consider, what this military block threatens you?- Posted 06/09/08 at 8:16 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: Excuse, I leave a forum... In Moscow already almost 4-30 mornings... I go to sleep. All thanks for pleasant possibility to talk to interesting people!
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Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Oleg, you people have been kep in the dark far too long.
In the old USSR there was no liberty of press. You people read and listen to what your leaders decided. There was no way for you people to compare with what was going on in real democracies. Today the same thing is happening again. All journalists opposed to your present regime are being murdered one by one. Private newspapers and TV stations being taken over again by the regime.
If you listen to half truths and lies everyday theres a good chance you will start to beleive them.- Posted 06/09/08 at 8:33 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Andrew WWW from whitby, Canada writes: Don Quixote from The drying Mosquito Belt, Ont., Canada writes:'Russians have to ...repair their aging nuclear reactors supplying power'
I just want to put in cent or two. Russians have very advanced nuclear technology and you appear to have no clue how good it is. Unfortunately way more advanced than we do here in Ontario and in Canada. And even if they have to fix their nukes IAEA says they are in compliance with all international rules and regulations. So this part of your comment is a bit of BS...- Posted 06/09/08 at 8:37 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Ryan Lemay from Canada writes: The age of detente is over. A world without respect for others is a world headed in the wrong direction. We have as global citizens lost respect for each other. Having others suffer and only considering oneselfs position is a formula for disaster. Dark days are surly to follow.
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Victor Skovorodnikov from Vancouver, Canada writes: Just to comment on Oleg Simonov's, uh, comment regarding Crimea there. He's correct. I was born in Crimea and am Russian by nationality. To say Crimea is annexed by Ukraine would be a good definition but Crimea does NOT want to be part of Ukraine. So, please don't tell us that Russian citizenship is 'forced' upon people in Crimea,, like there were claims it was 'forced' on people of Abhazia and Osetia. These citizenships merely reflect people's actual nationality. It's amazing how far US can get entangled in their propaganda and lies to protect their interests.
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Mark Orr from toronto, Canada writes: Why do the Americans have to use warships to deliver aid, it is absurd and can be for no other reason then to provoke the Russian. Very dangerous and infantile. Russia is a great and important country, and the way the west has acted towards Russia could only have one outcome, the one we see today. One again a great opportunity for greater peace and cooperation has been lost.
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Mary Smith from United States writes:
Toxic Planet
Your idiocy is a hoot!- Posted 06/09/08 at 9:50 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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A W from Canada writes: I don't really care how this War started in Georgia. (part of me thinks it was orcrastrated between the Americans and Russians to begin with) But this is just another reason why Canada needs to spend more money on upgrading it's military. We need to be able to protect ourselves from any sort of aggression that comes our way. We can't just sit back with our heads in the sand and hope that all the bad people in the World will leave us alone. Eventually they will come calling. We need to remain Strong and Free and be able to keep our Freedoms for our children to enjoy at all costs. There are many ways to upgrade our Armed Forces and one way is to purchase Nuclear Subs to protect the North from whoever may want to claim this piece of land and that piece of land. If you don't have the means to say NO then by default they get the Land. Nuclear Subs are expensive but will pay for themselves by far over the long run. Look how our purchase of diesel Subs from Britain worked out? That is just a waste of money. And the subs are old and could be sunk with one torpedo! We also need to increase our Fighting ready Army to 100,000 Strong if we are going to have any real chance of repelling any sort of attack here or somewhere else in the World.... The reality is we can't rely on the Americans. Who knows? they could sell us out in times of WAR or Chaos just to keep their own Country intact.
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Oldowleyes . from Any Bidders, Canada writes: COUNTRY FOR SALE, comes with stable con or lib government, either will help to finance with generous taxpayer subsidies as long as they get to rule long enough to collect a golden retirement pension in a sunny local.
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toco- mak from moonbeam, Canada writes: Hey don't get me wrong everyone about Canada having nucleaur bombs and stuff, we should have a bunch pointing south-right at the those Americans too. Tune those Christrian right wing nut bars up too. One wrong move and BOMB! There goes Rodchester or Tyawanda.
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Kurt Austin from Canada writes: AW, there are NO nuclear subs for sale! You have to develop them yourself, and that requires vast amount of money. And our pathetic government can't even properly equip our troops in Afghanistan.
Wishful thinking, I would say.- Posted 06/09/08 at 10:57 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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A B from Calgary, Canada writes: Medvediev who?
I think civilized countries should just ignore this russia.
who cares about it.- Posted 07/09/08 at 12:47 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Don Smith from Toronto, Canada writes: ..too bad US leaders wasted such a great country over the last few decades. They are too aggressive and dishonest provoking hate from all over the world. Let's hope there is a chance to avert the nuke war.
I guess russian subs have already arrived to this hemisphere and are waiting to deliver its 'aid' to the US cities.- Posted 06/09/08 at 11:02 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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skenderbeg begger from Albania writes: Maurice Fillion from Canada writes:
Oleg, you people have been kep in the dark far too long.
In the old USSR there was no liberty of press.
and maurice you saw that with your own eyes and heard it with your own ears ,right ?
and maurice you heard when Dixie Chicks have said that bushman is wrong, after that not a ONE radio station was allowed to play their songs....that is for you democracy maurice ?
maurice, sit down and do your homework....- Posted 07/09/08 at 12:58 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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A B from Calgary, Canada writes: A W from Canada writes: I don't really care how this War started in Georgia. (part of me thinks it was orcrastrated between the Americans and Russians to begin with) But this is just another reason why Canada needs to spend more money on upgrading it's military. We need to be able to protect ourselves from any sort of aggression that comes our way.
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well, pal, do you know how many russians are in Canada today? Do you know that if they want they might start complaining about Canada and Russia will invade us like they done with Georgia?
So we definitely have to be able to protect ourselves from russian barbarians if they come to out country.- Posted 07/09/08 at 12:59 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Jo Blo from as far from Toronto as possible, Canada writes: A B from Calgary, Canada writes: "Medvediev who?
I think civilized countries should just ignore this russia.
who cares about it. "
Western Europe cares about it, because Russia supplies them with 40% of their gas.- Posted 07/09/08 at 1:06 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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peter jones from Canada writes: russian barbarians 'invading our country'? are you nuts?
Even the yanks are too weak to do anything. Bail outs of Fannie Mae, trillions of dollars in debt to the chinese...the USA has no more troops..it has overextended itself and now the world is going to rebalance itself...and the USA can froth at the mouth all it wants... too bad.
Canada is full of third world dimmigrants who don't want to fight foe this or any other country.White girls want jobs and day care ..not babies...so its game over for the West.
..sorry.
those Yanks and the American constitution in 1776..well they could only do that because their women just stayed at home having and then looking after the babies
That truth I hold' to be self evident'- Posted 07/09/08 at 1:12 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Alex K from Toronto, Canada writes: "A B from Calgary, Canada writes:
well, pal, do you know how many russians are in Canada today? Do you know that if they want they might start complaining about Canada and Russia will invade us like they done with Georgia?
So we definitely have to be able to protect ourselves from russian barbarians if they come to out country."
-- Comrade A B, no more FauxNews for you. When Mother Russia invades Canada, you will be send to a re-education camp in Siberia.- Posted 07/09/08 at 1:33 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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desiderio manzanal jr from laval, Canada writes: Foolish words for leader of a nation
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Oleg Simonov from Russian Federation writes: Maurice Fillion from Canada writes: Oleg, you people have been kep in the dark far too long. In the old USSR there was no liberty of press. You people read and listen to what your leaders decided. There was no way for you people to compare with what was going on in real democracies. Today the same thing is happening again. All journalists opposed to your present regime are being murdered one by one. Private newspapers and TV stations being taken over again by the regime. =================================== You are mistaken. In the USSR it was impossible to read the western mass-media. I was born in 1968 and well I remember that time. Now, in Russia, nobody forbids me to read, at least G&M and to discuss read with you. The state propagation and one-sided display of news, exists today and in Russia, and in the west. War with Georgia has shown it visually. But a question not in it... Unless I assert, what in Russia all is good, and in the west all is bad? Unless I say, what in Russia there is more than democracy, than in the west? The world is not made of two colours - black and white. In the world it is a lot of shades. The government of Russia - is not ideal. When I voted for Medvedev, I attentively looked at selective sheet... Among candidates for presidents of Russia I have not seen the candidate "the God, the founder of the world".
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Mindfully Partisan from Ottawa, Canada writes: "Vice-President Dick Cheney, at an economic meeting Saturday in Italy, blasted Russian actions in the war as an “affront to civilized standards” and said Moscow has given “no satisfactory justification” for invading Georgia."
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Gee Dick. I seem to remember something about U.S. military action in Iraq that was considered by some as an "affront to civilized standards." "No satisfactory justification" has since come up. Non-existant weapons of mass destruction that the U.S. knows Saddam used to posses because they sold them to him don't count. Or was that just considered more "humanitarian aid." Russia invaded Georgia because they want to control the flow of oil and gas, but I won't hold my breath waiting for them to admit to it. It's the same reason the U.S. invaded Iraq and I won't hold my breath waiting for you to admit that either.- Posted 07/09/08 at 4:53 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Oleg Simonov from Moscow, Russian Federation writes: Respected A B from Calgary!
And still all Russian have horns, hoofs and a tail. For a dinner we eat young girls and we wash down with their blood of children. Every evening we go to bed and we dream, that tomorrow we will attack and we will subdue any country. But most of all, certainly, we dream to release our Russian brothers in Canada... So strongly we dream, what even we can not fall asleep....
What else terrible fairy tale to you to tell about Russia?- Posted 07/09/08 at 5:09 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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