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NDP support doubles in B.C., poll suggests

OMAR EL AKKAD

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 11:27 PM EST 10/09/08

Voting intentions in battleground ridings shift closer to 2006 numbers in less than a week ...Read the full article

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  1. Lection Fever from east to west all across, Canada writes: Go green Go
    Go NDP Go.

    Bye Liberals Bye

    Extinction for the bankrupt criminal party, overdue

    And Jack in Stornoway!!
  2. Pete Kauchak, Green Tory from Cascadia, Canada writes: BCers are wierd or is this the reflection of small sample size?
  3. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: '...all six of the 10...'? Interesting math by the Globe reporter/editor.
  4. F/A josquin from Canada writes:
    This is what we get for being so stupid-------so bring it on. We deserve the worst if we vote these greedy monkeys in again. Bring on the likes of this goon

    'Lection Fever from east to west all across, Canada writes: Go green Go
    Go NDP Go.

    Bye Liberals Bye

    Extinction for the bankrupt criminal party, overdue

    And Jack in Stornoway!! '
  5. Dennis sinneD from Calgary, Canada writes:

    Well, good for NDP!
  6. Phillip Huggan from Wpg, writes: Maybe extinction for our species if we don't cost enviromental capital. The Himalayas provide drinking and industrial water for almost half our species. Agri-yields will be devasted and refugee flows will be unmatched. S.Harper is running on a platform that includes subsidizing diesel and jet fuel so far, and has made a point of being the only campaign not to buy carbon credits (just like his first act of government was to cut 17 global warming research programmes).
    This is a gross wealth transfer to boomers from the young and those not even born yet, especially in Africa. This is terrorism. Not paying foreign aid is mean, but this is active. This is morally unacceptable for boomers to be allowing this to happen. This is not what their parents had in mind when they died and suffered mental illness in WWII. This is evil.
  7. J Kay from Canada writes: diane marie: Actually the math is fine. The reporter is referring to the 10 so called battleground ridings in BC, of which 6 were won in 2006 by the Liberals. The reporter is saying given the current poll the Liberals stand to lose all 6 of the 10 key battleground ridings which they currently hold.
  8. globefan Eh from Canada writes: Michael Sharp I wouldn't be so sure of your description of the old geezers in BC. In terms of net worth BC geezers compare most favorably to the rest of Canada.. I digress, some old geezers might agree with the recent article in the National Post referring to the stink of politics in BC.

    BC is not for sale although it might seem that way at times.
  9. Pete Kauchak, Green Tory from Cascadia, Canada writes: J Kay from Canada writes: diane marie: Actually the math is fine. The reporter is referring to the 10 so called battleground ridings in BC, of which 6 were won in 2006 by the Liberals. The reporter is saying given the current poll the Liberals stand to lose all 6 of the 10 key battleground ridings which they currently hold.

    Tisk,tisk put the Liberals on the endangered species list.
  10. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Also very interesting is the Angus Reid poll out to-day showing the dippers at 21% and the Libs at 24%: within the statistical margin of error for a tie. NDP leads the Libs in Quebec 18% to 12%

    Ekos also shows the NDP making gains at the Libs expense in Quebec.
  11. D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada writes: The sentence is still grammatically incorrect and, I hope, politically incorrect as well. What a scenario our pollsters are building up for us. Jack really is moving to Stornaway, according to our pollsters.
  12. Ed Anger from Canada writes: so now there are two people who will vote ndp...
  13. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: I have to caution myself against excessive optimism. As an NDP supporter I have seen results like this evaporate before, and the Lizzie May effect has yet to be accounted for. We shall see.
  14. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Good one Ed. Have you stayed up all night thinkung that one up?
  15. Andrew sw from London, Canada writes: Well that's good. And on the topic of politics and Canada in general:
    I just have to post this ad that the conservatives have put up, see here:
    http://www.mashline.com/federalelection/federalelection_sm.html?gclid=COKFnZTp0pUCFQUHQQodEmK7iA

    The similarities I see with this ad and Rogers Corp. (yes, the cell phone etc. company) ads are eerily similar. It's weird... oh i realize now: it's the same sort of in-your-face, dishonest, and self-serving BS that both the firm and the conservatives are playing. I have an awful gut reaction to both. Only a matter of time for each... Bring in the US cell phone market PLEASE! and let's have this stupid election.
  16. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Well, I live in one of the battlegroung ridings and I can guarantee that it's not going NDP. The Liberal MP is well liked but unfortunately for him has the Dion millstone around his neck.

    It looks like the left wing vote is moving to Jack. I think the Green will also see some movement. Dion is toast in BC. He shouldn't even bother making the long bus ride out here. Or did he manage to find a plane yet?
  17. D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada writes: Kenneth: If we're going to cite polls, here's one from Harris-Decima, reported today. Minority CPC government (CPC 133, Lib 100, NDP 27 Bloc 46 Other 4). Reference available upon request.
  18. Fall of Discontent from Ottawa, Canada writes: The stupidity of the LPC'ers to move so far to the left that their traditional stalwarts are now running to the NDP so what a farce the party has become.

    IMO: I look forward to a voting 'leader of the loyal opposition' in Jack Layton compared to that weasel Dion who wouldn't vote, didn't show up or just gave up in the end.

    Go Conservatives (and any NDP which take seats from the LPC).
  19. D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada writes: That's NDP 26, Other 3.
  20. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: It looks like the Liberal chances in a Surrey riding just went up in smoke as the Liberal MP sent a letter supporting a convicted drug trafficker:

    'Surrey Liberal MP Sukh Dhaliwal on Wednesday defended his letter of support for a convicted international drug trafficker, saying he was just trying to push for rehabilitation of serious criminals when he wrote to a U.S. judge on behalf of Ranjit Singh Cheema.'
  21. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Hi DB, I'll look it up, thanks. I'm a statistics junkie as well as a political junkie. Be interesting to check out their methodology to arrive at those seat numbers, and what base they started from.
  22. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: p lailey: any thoughts on the chances of Dosanj? I heard he might be in trouble.
  23. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: ''''Well, I live in one of the battlegroung ridings and I can guarantee that it's not going NDP. ''' How will you guarantee it? What does your guarantee consist of?
  24. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: The LPT is toast. Angus reid poll shows the NDP only a few points behind the LPT. Taliban Jack can smell Dion's bloood in the water and he knows that the NDP's fortunes lay in Quebec and BC. Unfortunately for Dion, the 1st debate will be on the same night as the US VP debate, so he will have to compete with that to get his message out.
  25. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Harper just had two bad days. This poll was taken between the 4th and the 6th. Harper will take a hit in the polls once this works its way into the polling.
  26. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Kenneth Yurchuk,
    It would, I think, take a real Liberal meltdown for Dosanj to lose in Vancouver South. He got over 48% of the vote last time around and is quite popular with his constituents. However, I haven't checked to see who is running against him. The Hedy Fry riding could be interesting again though.
  27. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: If this holds, the NDP lovers who have voted Liberal in recent years to stop The Demon Manning, and now The Demon Harper, will go NDP.
    Much of the anti-Conservative vote could switch. The question is, will it fly outside of B.C.? If so, the Liberals are cooked. Bob Rae, you jumped ship for this? Iggy, you will be a small fish in a big pond, that's not your style at all. This is one of the most important things to happen in Canadian politics in many years, if it holds.
  28. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Harper just had two bad days. This poll was taken between the 4th and the 6th. Harper will take a hit in the polls once this works its way into the polling.

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    Yup, I can see it now. Dion gets a turd on him and Canadians decide they want more taxes...lol...sure...
  29. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: p lailey:-- I would be very careful about guarantees. Gerry Pankhurst 'guaranteed' that we wouldn't have an early election and insulted everyone's intelligence for believing that we might. It was all a media plot, he said, and we were all mental midgets for taking reports seriously enough to discuss them. Well, we will be voting on October 14th. Gerry seems to be keeping a low profile - perhaps he's dining on crow, or perhaps he's volunteering in the campaign. It is far, far too early for guarantees - and, for that matter, for talking about millstones and puffin poop. Who would ever have guessed, let alone guaranteed, that the PCs would be reduced to two seats? I agree, though, that it's fun to speculate. Have you ever wondered how those huge flocks of seabirds - forget their name - suddenly decide to change direction when there's no discernible (at least to us) leader?
  30. Trudeau's Apricot poodle from Canada writes: 2 x 0 = 0
  31. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Bobby Dy, Harper has indeed had two bad days, but I'm not sure how that will affect the polls. The people most likely to be pi$$ed off are the Con base who are notoriously loyal and probably would vote for Harper if he disclosed close personal ties of the most intimate sort with Osama Bin Ladin's pet goldfish.

    He may take a hit on the leadershio question however. we'll see in a few days.
  32. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: ''''Well, I live in one of the battlegroung ridings and I can guarantee that it's not going NDP. ''' How will you guarantee it? What does your guarantee consist of?

    Perhaps guarantee is too strong a word but the ridings of North Vancouver and West Vancouver have never gone NDP federally and have always been a two way race between the Liberals and the CPC (and before that Refor/Alliance). Given the demographics I don't think the NDP has a chance.
  33. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: Much of the anti-Conservative vote could switch. The question is, will it fly outside of B.C.? If so, the Liberals are cooked. Bob Rae, you jumped ship for this?

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    Bob (I ran up a huge deficit as NDP Premier of Ontaro) Rae didn't jump ship. We made him walk the plank and marooned him on the island for political dimwits.
  34. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: J. Kenneth:-- You will be pleased to know that the only campaign sign I've seen in Calgary was for the NDP. One would never know that there's an election on. I am considering rooting around in our garage rafters for our 'Anybody but Anders' sign which features the visage of Nelson Mandela. Two elections ago, some enterprising ABA people put a impressive campaign together, selling hundreds upon hundreds of ABA signs, large and small.
  35. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Only the CPC has refused to pay for carbon offsets to offset the CO2 emissions in their campaign. One more indication of how seriously they take GHGs.
  36. Joshua Gardiner from creston, New Zealand writes: glad to see it. i like layton, i'll admit it. he's no showman, but he has more vision than harper and dion put together. he's calling for some of the right changes, and we're going to have to make them all eventually anyway. a lot of us are ready to participate in them now, so why wait?
  37. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: John Smith, and the CPC plan will cost you how much?
  38. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- Actually, I don't care who wins this election as long as Mr. Harper does not achieve a majority. Note, though, that when the PCs were reduced to two seats, they were still permitted to participate in the leadership debates.
  39. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: 'If this holds, the NDP lovers who have voted Liberal in recent years to stop The Demon Manning, and now The Demon Harper, will go NDP.
    Much of the anti-Conservative vote could switch. The question is, will it fly outside of B.C.? '

    David Gibson,
    I wouldn't say that the situation in BC will necessarily hold outside of BC. The electoral situation here is quite different, to say the least, as we have had several switches between left wing and right wing governments. I can see the BC race being a two way race between the NDP and the CPC with both parties having their strongholds. The Greens could also significantly impact the results from siphoning votes away from the NDP.
  40. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: Well, if it gets momentum, the NDP could gain a lot. Strategic voting has held them back for a number of years. 'Why vote NDP? They won't be gov't or even Opposition. It's a wasted vote.' Well, if that rationale dies, the NDP could become the national opposition, yes?
  41. Kenneth Yurchuk from Toronto, Canada writes: Evening DM. Yes it's been a quiet start here in Toronto too, at least as far as overt expressions of support go.

    One thing I do sense though is that folks are starting to pay attention a little, and that traditional voting patterns are in flux. This may be very volatile indeed.
  42. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: John Smith, and the CPC plan will cost you how much?

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    Why don't you tell me? While your at it go to the LPT website and let them convince you your going to get back all your tax money...lol...And then listen to Dion tell you that the country is broke but he's going to enhance his already revenue neutral tax plan and give out more tax breaks...lol...
  43. rick from river city from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Harper just had two bad days. This poll was taken between the 4th and the 6th. Harper will take a hit in the polls once this works its way into the polling.

    Bobby... I hope you are not waiting for the puffin scandal to cause a major movement in the polls.
  44. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- Actually, I don't care who wins this election
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    Oh yes you do.
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    as long as Mr. Harper does not achieve a majority.
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    Then you DO care about who wins this election. Let me just take a stab Diane, hidden agenda?
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    Note, though, that when the PCs were reduced to two seats, they were still permitted to participate in the leadership debates.
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    The PC's had two elected members who were elected as PC's. The PC's had candidates running in every province.
  45. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: I haven't voted for the NDP since I was a young lass,naive and idealistic.. It was not long before I realised 'free' meant huge costs to taxpayers,and working people,for many inclined to choose a 'free' ride.
    I think whether you're a Lib or Cons. supporter,we all believe in giving a hand up,to those in need.
    But the problem I have with the NDP,is too many freeloaders,see opportunity,in abusing the goodness of their fellow citisens,as the NDP,make it just too easy.
    Let me ask you..
    How many of you know,or have known anyone on permanent Govt disabilty,riding ski-doo's in the Winter,up on their roofs,replacing their shingles,dirt bike riding,and boating in the summer?
    Or some single moms,who have decided to have more kids,because they'll get more money for Welfare,from the Govt.[taxpayers]?
    There are truly many genuine cases of people that need,and deserve support,from fellow Canadians.
    But with NDP Govt's,free-loading is an easy score,at the expense of hard working average families.
    As a Cons. supporter,I know I should be thrillled,that the left wing vote,is being split.
    But for the life of me,I do not understand the B.C voter mindset.
  46. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: rick from river city from Canada writes: Bobby... I hope you are not waiting for the puffin scandal to cause a major movement in the polls.

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    I think we need a Puffin Public Inquiry
  47. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: rick from river city from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Harper just had two bad days. This poll was taken between the 4th and the 6th. Harper will take a hit in the polls once this works its way into the polling.

    Bobby... I hope you are not waiting for the puffin scandal to cause a major movement in the polls.
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    LOL, puffingate!!!!
  48. Conservative for lower taxes, cheaper gas, less government from Canada writes: Well regardless of what people are hearing PM Harpers position on lowering taxes, income splitting for seniors, the $1200 a year child tax credits, the GST and a very sensible approach to the environment should get the Conservatives re-elected in a landslide.
  49. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: If you want to see the definition of a weak leader, take a look at Harper's cut and run position on Afghanistan today. He didn't want to do this. He used this as a ploy to win votes amongst moderates. A leader doesn't do this. A leader leads and doesn't follow. Harper has shown an amazing amount of plasticity during this election campaign. Harper has no principles when it comes to electioneering. All that he is is an insatiable lust for power. It's not going to work.
  50. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: rick from river city from Canada writes:
    Bobby... I hope you are not waiting for the puffin scandal to cause a major movement in the polls.
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    Yup, that was quite the ad. How dare the Conservatives make a cartoon of Dion with a puffin dropping Green Shift all over his shoulder ;0)
  51. Upper Canadian born and raised in Western Canada from St Albert, Canada writes: Waste of taxpayer's money....

    (A minority gov't is the best gov't for the citizens of a country, because the tyranny of the goverment (and dumb people with private member's bills) can thus be held at bay against the honest citizen, especially when said political parties seem hell bent on passing really dumb laws, turning said honest citizen into a criminal.)
  52. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario
    I don't think anyone understands the BC voters mindset.
    It looks like the Liberals are going to have to pull out their old policy of trying to convince voters to vote for them to stop the CPC. I can't recall the last time a Liberal leader ran on a campaign based on their own policies rather than trying to use scare tactics.
  53. David Gibson from Hamilton, Canada writes: '''How many of you know,or have known anyone on permanent Govt disabilty,riding ski-doo's in the Winter,up on their roofs,replacing their shingles,dirt bike riding,and boating in the summer?''' I know 2 Workmen's Comp cases who can't walk well enough to work, but can run well enough to play tennis, which they can do openly now because both negotiated a payoff amount, rather than pension. They know one another, so maybe one got the idea from the other.
    However, I'm WAAAYYYYY OT here.
  54. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: If you want to see the definition of a weak leader, take a look at Harper's cut and run position on Afghanistan today. He didn't want to do this. He used this as a ploy to win votes amongst moderates. A leader doesn't do this. A leader leads and doesn't follow. Harper has shown an amazing amount of plasticity during this election campaign. Harper has no principles when it comes to electioneering. All that he is is an insatiable lust for power. It's not going to work.
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    Unfortunately for you, Bob, this excuse won't fly. All the other leaders want us to cut and run out of Afghanistan now, so Harper will still look stronger than the others.
  55. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Nancy Wilson, while the PC Party may have believed in a 'hand up', the CPC believes in tough love.

    Conservative for lower taxes, explain to me how the $1200/child is a fair plan. I have a young child and we get this $1200 year. I make enough where my wife isn't working right now. Her income is next to zero right now. We get not only the $1200/yr but leverage it for more federal money by putting it in an RESP. We pay no taxes on the $1200/yr because of her income.

    If you are a two income family making half the income that my family makes and you pay for daycare, you don't get to keep that $1200/yr because it is taxable and the mother's income means that this $1200 is entirely taxable. This isn't 'choice in childcare'. This is a preferential treatment of single income families who don't need to use childcare services, while two income families using daycare get the short end of the stick.
  56. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- Actually, no I don't. As I have mentioned before, I have been pleased to vote PC at least twice in my voting career (I'd have to think about it). I don't have a serious objection to the NDP, but I'm sure that the party is ready for a majority. Official opposition responsibilities would be a great experience for the NDP. Of course, the NDP probably has more educated talent than the CPC. What party doesn't?
  57. rick from river city from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: If you want to see the definition of a weak leader, take a look at Harper's cut and run position on Afghanistan today.

    Harper undercut the position he had to force Dion into. Now, to undercut Harper Dion would be cheek to cheek with Jack - so goes life on the far left. So yes, Harper undercut Dion who now will not speak of Afghanistan during the election as he has nothing to offer.
    Intelligent leadership of the party and the country Bobby - Dion delivers neither.
  58. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Is Dion from France, it wasn't a comment about the relative positions of different parties. It wasn't a comment on how this would impact party support. It was a comment on the myth of Harper's leadership.
  59. Rain Couver from Canada writes: Oy vey z'mere! Osama bin-Layton? Uchhhh
  60. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada,
    I have to disagree with your last post. I really respect Harper throughout for his stand on Afghanistan. To me he has shown real leadership as opposed to Dion who clearly felt we should end our combat role but then voted to extend it. If Dion had strong principles he would have taken a stand on this important issue.
  61. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: If you want to see the definition of a weak leader, take a look at Harper's cut and run position on Afghanistan today. He didn't want to do this. He used this as a ploy to win votes amongst moderates. A leader doesn't do this. A leader leads and doesn't follow. Harper has shown an amazing amount of plasticity during this election campaign. Harper has no principles when it comes to electioneering. All that he is is an insatiable lust for power. It's not going to work.

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    Boy are you funny. Cut and run...lol...and if Harper said he was going to extend the mission you would call him a war monger and say he's a Bush lackey. Face it, the LPT are are going to lose the only question is by how much. I suspect they will be wiped off the map (except for Toronto, of course). I sure hope you are here on Oct 14th, but I don't think you have the stones.
  62. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: What the Puffin incident and the May incident did was undermine the soft and cuddly Stephen Harper campaign and took over the news reporting for the day.
  63. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- Actually, no I don't. As I have mentioned before, I have been pleased to vote PC at least twice in my voting career (I'd have to think about it).
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    You've been screeching your hatred for anything Conservative on these boards for as long as I can remember. You detest Harper and anything Conservative both federally and provincially. You've defended anything and everything Liberal no matter how utterly stupid the policy is.

    You wish more than anything for a Liberal win in this election, you want more than anything a Conservative loss in this election, and you cannot possibly say otherwise with any credibility.
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    I don't have a serious objection to the NDP, but I'm sure that the party is ready for a majority. Official opposition responsibilities would be a great experience for the NDP. Of course, the NDP probably has more educated talent than the CPC. What party doesn't?
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    Thank you for further proving my point.
  64. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Is Dion from France, it wasn't a comment about the relative positions of different parties. It wasn't a comment on how this would impact party support. It was a comment on the myth of Harper's leadership.
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    and I just proved that myth wrong. Nice to see we are on the same page here.
  65. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Dion just told a whopper!

    'And it took four days of campaigning on a bus for the Grits to actually get into the air. There were some reports that the plane wasn't ready. Mr. Dion said it was because he didn't need the plane until last night'
  66. pierre lefebvre from Brossard, Canada writes: If this trends continues Dion`s army will face a Waterloo. In Quebec it`s obliteration outside West Island Montreal. And so be it with these cheats. Dion Quixote meets a wall of indifference in BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, New Brunswick, PEI, Nova Scotia and some parts of Ontario. Soon fortress GTA will also fall. Leaving Dion with Newfoundland`s loud mouth as only supporter.
  67. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: John Smith, I'm using the CPC rhetoric to point out the hypocrisy. As for what I believe, I've stated this before. I believe that the NATO approach is wrongheaded because of the civilian casualties in Afghanistan undermine their mission. I've stated before that if we are going to do this, we have to do it right. We don't roll around in tanks or shelling distant points. We go in with ground troops and do it in a way that minimizes civilian deaths. The tradeoff is more casualties. If the mission is worth it, then that is the price to be paid. To use the approach that we have been doing is cowardly and says that the value of a soldier's life is many times greater than the Afghan civilians that we are supposed to be fighting for. Using that approach, we should have already withdrawn.
  68. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: p lailey:-- Apparently, you haven't noticed the CPC campaign, which has focused, not on CPC policies, but on LPC ones. Apparently, you haven't noticed the CPC strategy which involves not asking for votes, but dissuading votes for the opposition. Apparently, you haven't noticed that the CPC website has been obsessed with Mr. Dion and the LPC these past two years, spawning notaleader and kyoto-the-dog blog websites. And, apparently you didn't notice the oil stain campaign.
  69. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: What the Puffin incident and the May incident did was undermine the soft and cuddly Stephen Harper campaign and took over the news reporting for the day.

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    Puffingate and Mayday...Yup sounds like the makings of an LPT gov't to me, too.
  70. D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada writes: Nobody knew exactly what dynamic the election would take once it got started. Leave out the slew of polls and you have a CPC leader forced to go against his own principles by calling for a 'full' withdrawal from Afghanistan; leave out the slew of polls and you have an NDP leader and a CPC leader forced to backtrack on their hope to see Ms. May excluded from the leaders' debate. Leave out the slew of polls and the Liberals are easily holding their own.

    So far, the pollsters are the story in this campaign. Even the reasons put forward for the NDP 'surge' in BC are unconvincing. The pollsters are the story so far.
  71. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: p lailey:-- Apparently, you haven't noticed the CPC campaign, which has focused, not on CPC policies, but on LPC ones. Apparently, you haven't noticed the CPC strategy which involves not asking for votes, but dissuading votes for the opposition. Apparently, you haven't noticed that the CPC website has been obsessed with Mr. Dion and the LPC these past two years, spawning notaleader and kyoto-the-dog blog websites. And, apparently you didn't notice the oil stain campaign.
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    They've announced more policy than the Liberals have in this campaign. It isn't hard to focus criticism on the Liberal policy, they only have one, and it's a bad one.
  72. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: pierre lefebvre, Quebec culture cannot survive as an independent French-speaking country isolated in N. America.
  73. John Melnick from High River AB, Canada writes: Phillip Huggan from Wpg, writes: ?
  74. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: I hope Dion doesn't fly his gas guzzler of a plane out to BC. And all this talk of buying carbon credits. This strikes me as hypocritical. Basically the wealthy can buy their way out of being environmentally friendly while others have to cut back. Dion should start walking the walk or he is going to bleed even more support to May and Layton.

    'The plane feels really sturdy. However, this 737 is a gas-guzzler. Along with crew costs, the on-board mechanics and catering and its age, it costs between $18,000 and $20,000 an hour to fly. It is about 35 per cent less efficient than the Conservative and NDP planes.

    Mr. Dion had expressed concern in a recent interview that the plane is more polluting than he had hoped. But the Liberals are buying credits to offset carbon emissions.'
  75. rick from river city from Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: What the Puffin incident and the May incident did was undermine the soft and cuddly Stephen Harper campaign and took over the news reporting for the day.

    and that is all it did... new day, new newspapers. Harper has been much more soft and cuddly than Liberal poster of late.
  76. Vern Ortega from Calgary, Canada writes: The image of a bunch of marxists fighting over a loaf of bread is pretty close to our progressives fighting over the marxist vote in Canada.
    Now you've let quasimoto into the debates, so there go more Liberal votes shaved off Green Scarf's ship of fools.

    You lefties sure can pick them.
  77. John Smith from SUPPORT ONT BILL 93, Canada writes: D. B. from Greater Sask., Canada...There's a big blue wave starting in Quebec and it's going to roll over Canada.
  78. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: John Smith, are you really that slow or are you just enamored with your own sense of humor?
  79. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: I hope Dion doesn't fly his gas guzzler of a plane out to BC. And all this talk of buying carbon credits. This strikes me as hypocritical. Basically the wealthy can buy their way out of being environmentally friendly while others have to cut back. Dion should start walking the walk or he is going to bleed even more support to May and Layton.
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    Especially when you consider that the company he is 'buying' his credits from is owned by members of the Liberal party.
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    'The plane feels really sturdy. However, this 737 is a gas-guzzler. Along with crew costs, the on-board mechanics and catering and its age, it costs between $18,000 and $20,000 an hour to fly. It is about 35 per cent less efficient than the Conservative and NDP planes.

    Mr. Dion had expressed concern in a recent interview that the plane is more polluting than he had hoped. But the Liberals are buying credits to offset carbon
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    Again, from a company owned by Liberals. Go figure. Furthermore, this same company owns a large portion of the country's largest wind generation project located in hell (Alberta). Funny how the Libs never seem to mention any of that when they put down evil Alberta.
  80. Anti Fascist from Canada writes:
    Being unwillingly unemployed I will be doing double duty this election by golly, I don't know who the NDP candidate is in my riding but I'm going to do my darndest to make sure that she/he will be defeating the lunkhead we have now, I want a strong team representing me, and I would like it to be led by Jack Layton.

    If I can figure where that dude Sharp is from, I'm going try put some time in his riding to ensure a socially responsible delegate is sent to Ottawa from there as well.
  81. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- You are correct. I have an intense, almost visceral distrust of Mr. Harper. Considering that he is the leader of the CPC, I can't consider voting Conservative. It's really quite simple, though you are making it seem otherwise. It's no surprise, really, when you can't decide where Mr. Dion is from (Canada).

    Correction: I did not intend to say that the NDP is ready for a majority. I meant to say that the NDP is NOT ready for a majority, but that opposition experience would be useful.
  82. ted canadian from victoria, Canada writes: because cost of the living get so expensive here. only happy rich people and old retirement from are government have right or can live here? more low income are relocated or all ready living as homeless on street? Is get so ugly BC under Gordon Campbell regime?
    I can not believed people here in Victoria stolen food from grocery shop? or working over 15 hours a day, what kind human right is?
    Are we living in country like Iran my Home land under Islamic regime or China ?
    Or Great Canada ? which is sucks? and not any more great?
    www.Canadaright.com
  83. Vern Ortega from Calgary, Canada writes: Bobby Dy from Canada writes: If you want to see the definition of a weak leader, take a look at Harper's cut and run position on Afghanistan today.

    The guy says we're out in 2011, and then states it again that we are out in 2001.
    After all the yipping you limp dcks have been doing for the last 2 years, you have the gonads to say 'cut and run'.
    Was it painful when they pulled your brain out your a*    ?
  84. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Is Dion from France or from Canada writes
    'Especially when you consider that the company he is 'buying' his credits from is owned by members of the Liberal party.'

    What is the name of the company?
  85. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes:
    Mr. Dion had expressed concern in a recent interview that the plane is more polluting than he had hoped. But the Liberals are buying credits to offset carbon
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    Again, from a company owned by Liberals. Go figure. Furthermore, this same company owns a large portion of the country's largest wind generation project located in hell (Alberta). Funny how the Libs never seem to mention any of that when they put down evil Alberta.
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    What this all means is that evil Alberta, the 'pollution province', owner of the 'tar sands', the redneck hick farmers and polluters, are the ones offsetting Dion's airplane carbon emissions. Oh the irony.
  86. rick from river city from Canada writes: buying credits, buying time, buying votes... no wonder Dion is bankrupt.
  87. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: Is Dion:-- You are correct. I have an intense, almost visceral distrust of Mr. Harper. Considering that he is the leader of the CPC, I can't consider voting Conservative. It's really quite simple, though you are making it seem otherwise. It's no surprise, really, when you can't decide where Mr. Dion is from (Canada).

    Correction: I did not intend to say that the NDP is ready for a majority. I meant to say that the NDP is NOT ready for a majority, but that opposition experience would be useful.
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    So, you have a 'visceral distrust' of the Conservatives, and the NDP aren't ready for a majority, yet you don't care who wins this election? Diane, go make some coffee or something.
  88. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: Is Dion from France, do you actually know what those carbon offsets are buying? The story was on CBC today. 1) It clearly does offset the carbon, 2) it has societal value with respect to the specific project and the impact beyond merely reducing the equivalent in CO2 emissions, and 3) it reduces CO2 emissions in Canada. What is Harper doing? The CPC is the only party that has not gone carbon neutral. Why, because that is exactly how serious they are about CO2, they just don't want the public to find out that they are merely posturing on CO2. There are many people who believe that any effort to reduce CO2 is a waste of time and that is their right. Harper has the policy for them. Fair enough. Why does Harper pretend to actually care about CO2 emissions while making every effort to undermine not only Canada's contribution but to undermine the effort on an international level?
  89. James Tod from Vancouver, Canada writes: By election the NDP always gets squeezed in BC. They go head-to-head with the Conservatives in rural areas, and head-to-head with the Liberals in more metropolitan areas. But given Harper and Layton's seeming entente until today to keep May out of the Leader's Debate. Dion should head west and make a splash. I think Layton is appearing too Hard in this campaign and Harper too Fake. Still anything can happen.
  90. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: rick from river city, they are not 'buying credits'. They are investing in a specific program that will undeniably reduce CO2 emissions in Canada. You don't know what it is and I'm not going to tell you. The point is that your criticism is based on ignorance and rhetoric. It is completely without substance.
  91. spicydoc of the spring from Canada writes:

    diane marie finally admits that she doesn't care what happens anymore, as long as it isn't a Harper majority.

    diane--I'm with you on this. You know my reasons.

    I'm still furious that the LPC allowed Dion to become their leader. I have been all along.

    You, however, did the dutiful thing and supported Dion through thick and thin.

    Are you ready to admit (yet) that the LPC selection of Dion was a huge mistake??? It was, my friend and adversary, it was. If you want to wait until after the election to admit this, fine.

    If Harper gets his gd majority, I hope you place the blame squarely where it belongs.

    If Harper gets his majority, I'm outta here.
  92. rick from river city from Canada writes: Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: -'Mr. Dion had expressed concern in a recent interview that the plane is more polluting than he had hoped. But the Liberals are buying credits to offset carbon
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    Again, from a company owned by Liberals.

    Only company that would take an IOU....
  93. diane marie from calgary, Canada writes: One knows that CPC-supporters have lost their compass when they are more obsessed with from whom the LPC are purchasing green credits than with the information that registered lobbyists are 'volunteering' for the CPC campaign. The former has no impact on the taxpayer or the government; the latter suggests a little too much coziness between those who seek to influence government decisions and the those who potentially will make them. If CPC-supporters are sincerely concerned about the environmental impact of the LPC's charter aircraft, they might ask themselves why said aircraft are permitted to operate at all, in which case they would ask themselves why the NGC hasn't done something about gas-guzzling aircraft.
  94. p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: This should be getting more attention. Dion is running on a platform where the environment is his number one issue and yet he is spewing 32% more pollution than his rivals. Hopefully May and Layton will raise this issue. Well, Layton certainly.
  95. Valerie Spentzos from Vancouver, Canada writes: Good for the NDP! Great news! Best I've heard in ages. Hope to hear more of the same.
  96. Is Dion from France or from Canada writes: p lailey from vancouver, Canada writes: Is Dion from France or from Canada writes
    'Especially when you consider that the company he is 'buying' his credits from is owned by members of the Liberal party.'

    What is the name of the company?
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    The firm is called Carbonzero
    http://www.carbonzero.ca/projects/current
  97. Bobby Dy from Canada writes: The problem with Harper policies is that they fail in a critical objective analysis. The problem with Harper voters is that they (apparently) buy into this poor policy and actually believe it is the right thing to do.
  98. Nancy Wilson from N.Ontario, Canada writes: I think that although B.C'ers are concerned about the Environment,they also see that a Carbon Tax,is not the way to go. Many Canadians are much more aware of the environment,and the impact,we have on it,and are trying to do our part. ..Recycling,driving smaller vehicles,retroffiting our homes,etc. But the fact is,right now,we do not have access to completley change our behaviours. Most of us,HAVE to use gas,or oil to heat our homes. Many on the East Coast and in many rural areas,are opting for wood heat,which is even worse for the environment. But,we do what we can,with what we have,to keep our families warm in the Winter. I think until Govt. can offer a truly affordable and environmentally friendly alternative,they shouldn't be taxing us extra,for simply trying to keep our families warm,in our cold climate. Nobody minds paying a 'little' extra,but a Carbon Tax,affects pricing on most everything. And many families,are already being 'stretched to the limit'. I think every Canadian,would like to see a cleaner environment,and less pollution.[no matter what political stripe]. Lets just keep in mind,that many Canadian families,living in the middle class,are hoping that they won't be forced into the 'lower class'income scale,because they just can't manage increased prices on everything,and higher taxes for most. Let's keep reality,into perspective. B.C'ers haven't even been subjected yet,to their Winter heating bills,and already the Carbon tax,is eating away at their income. Heating bills,in Canadian winters,are what' scares' me the most. On top of the burdening local,Prov.Federal ,GST,and all other taxes.. as well as..payroll taxes,Insurances,expenses for dentists,medications,etc etc... We all want to be responsible and 'give' to our Country. But family needs,and the very basics,like heating our homes,need to taken into account. No more taxes.