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So why is that so many police officers go brain dead when assigned to traffic duty? Answer me that.
Case in point: Last week while testing a bunch of different motorcycles in Vancouver – read about it Thursday in Globe Auto – I was shocked to see a cop jump out into the middle of traffic. He was waving down two cars for allegedly speeding.
I was riding in the opposite direction and what I saw so shocked me, I almost turned around to give the pink-vested cop a piece of my mind. What he did was reckless and endangered not only himself but other drivers.
As for the people he pulled over, they might have been speeding, but if they were it wasn't by much. We're not talking street racing here, folks. Not possible in the middle of a busy workday morning in a crowded city like Vancouver.
This was all bout revenue collection, not safety. What the cop did was, in fact, anything but safe.
The next day, returning from Whistler down the Sea-to-Sky highway, I witnessed another piece of brilliant police work. At the bottom of a long, straight downhill stretch near a place called Lions Bay, the cops had set up another speed trap.
The posted limit there is 80 km/hour. It's pretty easy to slide past 90 km/hour on that bit of downhill, but it is so straight and so wide open, with two lanes in either direction, well, going a bit past the limit does not in any way pose a danger to society.
No, I was not nabbed there; I know it's a likely trap and always watch my speed. Others were nailed, though. They all looked like normal middle class folks to me. No obvious criminals, no reckless lunatics at all.
Again, this speed trap was obviously about revenue collection, not public safety.
My advice to anyone caught in an absurd speed trap is to fight it. I did and won my case in July.
I had been pulled over more than a year ago for allegedly speeding on a Sunday afternoon. I argued with the cop that I was not speeding, that we were just two middle-aged guys going to play golf, driving along in the most modest of family sedans.
And then I said I'd see him in court. Which I did.
Two cops showed up, one of them a detective who had been doing traffic duty the year before. He was the witness. The other acted as prosecutor.
I acted in my own defence. When the judge asked me if I had any courtroom experience, I replied: “Only what I've seen on Law and Order.” He laughed and so did the gallery, though the two policemen remained stone-faced.
Long story short, the two cops were an embarrassment. They failed to present evidence properly and the judge was unhappy that they appeared to be discussing their testimony outside the courtroom during a break in the proceedings.
In the end the judge – who was not at all sympathetic to their plight -- said the policemen had made a major blunder in presenting evidence. He told me he'd dismiss the case if I made the request.
I did. Case dismissed. The incompetence of the police was not rewarded.
Like any sensible person, I am all for safe driving. But when the police set up speed traps only to collect revenue, then I see it as my civic duty to do what I can to discourage them.
If nothing else, I hope we'll see fewer police officers with their brains turned off, playing in traffic.
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s l from Vancouver, Canada writes: Living in Vancouver, I've seen cops do the whole "Let's jump in front of speeding cars to wave them over to give them tickets" thing far too many times. It's sheer lunacy. One of the first things we teach children is to not play in traffic. Perhaps the police need to go back to kindergarten? Or will it take the death of an officer who got hit by a car after jumping in front of it, and have the driver get off with no jail time because jumping in front of speeding cars is absolutely stupid, before they stop acting like idiots?
As for the downhill stretch, I'll assume you're talking about the long, steep, dead straight, super wide downhill that goes into Furry Creek. And yes, it's notorious for this. Along with Britannia Beach's revenue collection agency.. er I mean speed patrol, and the speed patrol north of Squampton, and on and on and on it goes.
I don't know a single person who hasn't gotten a speeding ticket on the Sea to Sky, and inevitably, the tickets end up not making sense. 120 km/h in a super twisty, single lane, dangerous part of highway just south of Whistler? Yeah, right. Getting pulled over for speeding because you happened to be 3 kids in a BMW? Great job keeping our roads safe, RCMP.- Posted 15/09/08 at 4:23 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Arthur Meighen from Vancouver, Canada writes: Right on, Jeremy! I too have been amazed at the recklessness and sheer stupidity of cops who jump out into traffic unexpectedly. It's actually a frightening thing for drivers. And eventually, this silly practice is going to get someone seriously hurt, or killed.
Thank you for calling a spade a spade, and addressing this serious issue on your blog! If only the Vancouver dailies had the guts to do so.- Posted 15/09/08 at 4:58 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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karra redux from Canada writes: As the owner and operator of a traffic ticket defence company in Ontario, and a retired Toronto police officer, I can tell you stories of total abject stupidity re police behaviour when it comes to issuing speeding tickets in particular.
These people literally live to issue traffic tickets - most have no aspirations and will be most content to be left alone by their superiors as long as they can write tickets.
I see these nuts in court every day - giddy! with tales and yarns about the last 'incident' - the really difficult part at least in Ontario is finding a jp who truly isn't biased in favor of the flatfeet - after all, for the most part, they are on the same payroll. . . .- Posted 15/09/08 at 5:20 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Jonny Quest from Canada writes: gee you'd get the impression that maybe they didn't care all that much....
- do you think that's a possibility?
what matters a lot to you may not matter to others- Posted 15/09/08 at 5:55 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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steve allan from Canada writes: So what do you do if you're call as a witness and your testimony can result in someone losing their driver's license? What if the prosecutor or police ask you to read a statement in court that you did not write? Should you balk or do you have to go along?
- Posted 15/09/08 at 6:13 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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s l from Vancouver, Canada writes: Steve, you didn't write it. If you don't agree with its contents, you're lying in a court of law. Seems like a pretty clear cut situation to me, if you don't account for prosecutor and police pressure. When those factors are taken into account, it's certainly a lot harder. Confessions of crimes are void if obtained under duress; perhaps this concept of duress would be something to look into in your situation?
- Posted 15/09/08 at 6:49 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Nathan Cool from Vancouver, Canada writes: I got caught in a speed trap in Regina.
It was 10 PM on a Saturday in July in a high school school-zone. I was going 54 in a 40.
There are no kids at a high school in summer, especially at 10 PM, especially on a Saturday. It was a revenue grab plain and simple.
This weasel-y behaviour is what turns citizens against the police.- Posted 15/09/08 at 7:01 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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S H from Windsor, Canada writes: I've seen cops jump out and pull people over on the 401. It was just the other side of a curve, an obvious speed trap! Needless to say, after the nurse I was carpooling with, gained control of her car.....(Us and about 7 other cars trying to keep from hitting him and each other)she pulled over and gave him royal sh*t! Telling him that if she ever gets any future patients because of his stupidity, she'll report him! Only women can get away with this, if it was me who went off on him, I'm sure I would have gotten a ticket!!!
- Posted 15/09/08 at 9:26 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Allen Jones from Canada writes: In my experience (thankfully limited) the police departments put their dumbest cops on traffic duty. You won't find any Sherlock Holmes types handing out tickets. They are usually a disgrace to the service and the municipality they serve.
- Posted 15/09/08 at 9:42 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Christa Bedwin from Calgary, Canada writes: What I'd really like is to see the police and citizens starting to protest more against tailgating. If someone's following you too close, put on your four-way flashers! It's life-threatening. Vancouver is appalling for this kind of danger. So is Calgary.
Why don't people use basic sense and physics when handling their enormous death machines at high speeds?- Posted 15/09/08 at 10:44 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Gardiner Westbound from Canada writes:
"At the bottom of a long, straight downhill stretch near a place called Lions Bay, the cops had set up another speed trap."
It's called a fishing hole, guaranteed to boost to a traffic tax collector's monthly quota.- Posted 15/09/08 at 10:56 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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M. D. from Canada writes: I have seen the cops jump in front of oncoming traffic, and agree it is an incredibly stupid act. That said, I fail to understand how enforcing speed limits is a "revenue grab". If the speed limit is 40 and you are doing 54, you are speeding, kids or not. If the speed limit on a downhill stretch is 80 and you are doing 100, you are also speeding, period. The Sea to Sky highway has gotten a LOT safer since the RCMP started enforcing the speed limits in earnest this summer. It is now a pleasure to drive through, construction and all, while just three years back it was nothing short of a harrowing experience. If you disagree with the speed limits, go challenge them with the appropriate authorities. Break them, and I'll be the first one to applaud your getting a fine. That goes for all the people flashing their brights behind me when I am going at exactly the speed limit as well.
- Posted 15/09/08 at 11:07 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Paul G from Toronto, Canada writes:
M. D. from Canada, well said.
Either you're speeding or not. Radar guns don't lie... and speeding kills.
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s l from Vancouver, Canada writes: No MD, the sea to sky got safer thanks to better road design. And the provincial government has reports stating that road design was one of the biggest causes of accidents on the S2S, moreso than speeding, dating back at least 10 years.
Speeding doesn't kill nearly as much as poor driving, tailgating, cutting people off, not having the driving ability to handle twisting mountain roads or large volumes of traffic, etc.
As for radar guns, they do indeed lie. Case in point: if a radar gun is pointed at a pack of cars, it simply displays the highest speed. It is up to the officer ticketing you to make the call as to who is speeding, or, rather, who is speeding the most.
All this coming from someone who's got zero speeding tickets on his record.- Posted 16/09/08 at 12:56 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Gord McFaull from Milton, Canada writes: s I from Vancouver, you are absolutely right when you say "Speeding doesn't kill nearly as much as poor driving, tailgating, cutting people off, not having the driving ability to handle twisting mountain roads or large volumes of traffic, etc." Speeding has long been over-emphasized - incorrectly - as the major driving problem, which conveniently leads to the speeding ticket revenue grab by police. Speeding by itself is seldom the cause of accidents, but it of course can be a contributing factor when combined with the real causes. Reckless driving, drinking and driving, stupidity, inattention (e.g. driving while using a cell phone), incompetence, road rage, driving inappropriately for weather or traffic conditions, tailgating, driving slower than other traffic in the passing lane......these are the things that really cause accidents, not speeding by itself. But unfortunately, catching offenders for these reasons is more difficult than just pointing a radar gun, so police take the easy and profitable approach, while almost completely ignoring the real problems.
- Posted 16/09/08 at 7:41 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Paul G from Toronto, Canada writes: Yes, there are many other factors involved in accidents... but they are all magnified and compounded by speeding.
The options available to avoid an accident are greatly reduced when speeding is a factor, as well the damage from an accident rises exponentially with speed.
Speeding kills!! If you speed you'll get no sympathy from me.
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S H from Windsor, Canada writes: Trust me, it is a tax grab. When was the last time you saw someone get a ticket for tailgating,improper stop,not using a signal light,improper lane change, driving to slow,etc. Most cops and regions today are after speeders period. Did you know that driving too slow kills and cutting people off kills, tailgating kills...come on people!!!! If it was only speeding that killed the autobahn would have been closed decades ago! It is PEOPLE who can't drive who kill! Please stay out of the left lane so I can pass. Thank you!
- Posted 16/09/08 at 11:05 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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R M from Ottawa, Canada writes:
Speed trap: Toronto: Bathurst northbound, north of St. Clair, where the road dips down going across the bridge at the ravine.
Very low speed limit, very easy to exceed, even with foot off of gas. They set up the laser, shoot you from a distance, and get a lot of $$.
Fight it, usually you can win. But better to watch out for them and not have to in the first place.- Posted 16/09/08 at 11:07 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Bruuks Brew from Canada writes: While I agree that it's a money grab in most cases, I get ticked off hearing of people who go to court to fight speeding tickets.
You were speeding. You got caught. Pay the fine and move on.
I'm sure there are a few occasions where they get it wrong, but for the most part the driver was speeding, the cop caught him.
Fighting it in court wastes a bunch of tax payers money. A high priced judge, and all the other court staff, the officer(s) who show up to present evidence - all waste time on this.
I'd rather see the cops on the street doing their jobs, instead of being tied up in court by someone unwilling to pay their $75 dollar fine.
The worst part is, these same people then complain about our lax justice system, letting criminals off with a slap on the wrist. It's no different folks.- Posted 16/09/08 at 11:39 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Private Person from Toronto, Canada writes: The essence of good transportation is speed.
I don't agree with you guys about the cops' motivation. Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree that the obsession with speed limits is stupid and they don't do it for the reasons they say, but it's not money they're focused on, IMHO. The "top-down" structure of police forces makes these activities mandatory for the officers doing it. And those who do it with gusto get brownie points from superiors. The higher-ups honestly believe that if they show that there's too much speeding going on, they will justify their existence. "Look at all the speeding, that's why you need us!".
I once visited Germany where on freeways ("autobahns") far from major cities there is no speed limit. I drove about 160km/h because if I went faster my cheap little car didn't feel right, ahem. Big V8 BMWs and Mercedes' screamed past me in the fast lane doing at least 220km/h. I didn't see any collisions or strewn bodies on that 2 week vacation. However, the polizei (driving their turbo Porsches) take a Very Dim View of people tailgating, failing to signal, or the worst, ultimate, offence: obstructing the fast lane. Don't try it. They are watching, they WILL catch you and you'll really really be sorry. Result? Fast lane clear for fast driving, slower (160km/h!) cars Keep Right. Freedom to choose.
Conclusion? Different approach, similar results. The obsession with speed works for Canadian police and public policy people and it lines us up neatly with the mentality of Americans, who have similar roads and cars to ours. Inexpensive American/Canadian cars probably shouldn't go faster than 80km/h anyway. But in a parallel universe across the seas, Speed Doesn't kill. Tailgating does. Or failure to signal. Or (gasp!) driving on the left.
Personally I like the German approach better, because it allows me the freedom to choose my speed. Could it possibly work here?- Posted 16/09/08 at 11:52 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Jay Wortman MD from West Vancouver, Canada writes: I recall returning from a trip to Germany where, if you were going 150 km on the autobahn, you were obstructing traffic (and they let you know it, too) when a young fellow in my office got busted for driving a sports car 150 km on the freeway in the middle of the night when there was no traffic. He got a $1000 fine and a six-month suspension.
Also, around that time, three young fellows drove three-abreast at exactly the speed limit on one of the busy Toronto-area freeways during rush hour. They caused a huge traffic tie-up and demonstrated the absurdity of the existing speed limits. They were ticketed for mischief, as I recall.
In Montana, when they had a period of no speed limits, the traffic fatality rate actually went down. It went back up again when they brought the speed limits back. While this seems counter-intuitive, maybe people sanctimoniously driving the speed limit in the passing lane provokes dangerous behaviour in others resulting in a more dangerous roadway for all.
BTW - I haven't had a speeding ticket in years.- Posted 16/09/08 at 12:18 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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R Evans from Canada writes: There's no reason to speed. None, whatsoever.
If people all drove like the law lays out, then we would need less of your so-called brain dead traffic cops.
Jeremy sounds like a bit of a cop hater, to me.
Get over it, jeremy.- Posted 16/09/08 at 12:42 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Adam Singer from Burlington, Canada writes: I'm sorry, I have to disagree, this piece is not cop hating at all. Police are entrusted by society with powers much greater than that of regular citizens and thus their conduct should be held stringently accountable to extremely high and rigorous standard.
- Posted 16/09/08 at 3:01 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Robert Blakey from Calgary, Canada writes: Good for you, Jeremy! It is indeed all about collecting revenue, not about safety. Each Canadian city will have slight variations on the theme, but a consistent aspect is the radar trap set up on roads whose speed limits are unrealistically low, such as wide stretches of tarmac with no residential areas close by. Drivers who normally wouldn't speed are lulled into a technically illegal speed by their surroundings. Another police trick, especially in the B.C. interior, is to set up radar at the top of a long hill where there's a passing zone. Drivers who have been frustrated for many kilometres sitting behind motor homes step a little too hard on the gas in the hope of getting past the slow vehicles before the passing lane runs out, taking them right into the arms of the RCMP. Calgary's specialty is playground zones in old neighbourhoods that haven't seen small children in decades. I once got a ticket on a street where the actual playground had been moved long ago to another location but the old yellow sign remained!
- Posted 16/09/08 at 3:02 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Private Person from Toronto, Canada writes: Yeah the hills are alive! In Toronto one fave is Yonge Street in front of Mount Pleasant Cemetery, where there are NO
-intersections
-schools
-shops
-driveways
-houses
and a limit of 50. They actually hide in the trees on the shoulder and jump out into the traffic.
These guys say they honestly believe they're eliminating the scourge of danger and mayhem on the roads. Personally I think they'd save just as many lives by taking the batteries out of their tasers.
The essence of good transportation is speed.- Posted 16/09/08 at 9:43 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Jeff Smyth from Canada writes: Nathan Cool from Vancouver, Canada writes: I got caught in a speed trap in Regina.
It was 10 PM on a Saturday in July in a high school school-zone. I was going 54 in a 40.
There are no kids at a high school in summer, especially at 10 PM, especially on a Saturday.
You're driving 35% over the speed limit. Most schools have sports fields and other non school activities taking place such as baseball or soccer. 10 PM in July in Regina will still, amazingly, have some daylight so there is a chance of sports activities taking place. Had you actually made it to high school you may have acted more responsibly.- Posted 16/09/08 at 10:45 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Rumon Faskater from Yuho, United States Outlying writes: I remember a situation where I was driving down a two laned road and the guy closer to the middle was speeding. Well this stupid cop walks out RIGHT in front of me. I slammed on my brakes and the guy just froze - like a deer in headlights. At the last second he jumped out of the way. If he wasn't an 'officer' I would have had a few words with him. He almost caused me to fall off of my bike and even my rear tire lifted off the ground slightly. It is a dangerous practise that is for sure.
- Posted 19/09/08 at 12:16 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Walker fromtheevilempireofAB from Canada writes: What I don't like is that officers have 'quotas' to fill - they're required to issue a certain amount of $$ in tickets every month. At least that's what a friend of mine who is an RCMP officer was telling me.
- Posted 19/09/08 at 3:09 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Get 2 Work from Canada writes: Speed limits in Canada are too low.
If you think you are being safe by driving exactly the speed limit, you are nuts. Unless of course causing a line up of traffic behind you 5km's long is your idea of safe driving.- Posted 19/09/08 at 5:22 PM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Marius Tertan from Toronto, writes: Why the clean diesel technology is only used on cars and not on trucks? 50% of the vehicles on the roads are trucks, most diesel and using engines 5 to 8 times bigger than cars, thus creating must of the diesel pollution. If they really want to control the emissions of harmful particulates from the diesel engines this is where the technology needs to be applied! NOBODY in the media has brought up this issue. WHY?
- Posted 07/10/08 at 11:18 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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Marius Tertan from Toronto, writes: Why is the clean diesel technology not being applied to diesel trucks? They are the heavy diesel users, so it would make sens to apply it there if they are really serious about reducing the harmful diesel particulates emissions.
- Posted 07/10/08 at 11:25 AM EST | Alert an Editor | Link to Comment
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