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Tanguay makes himself at home

SEAN GORDON

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 11:53 AM EST 31/10/08

Alex Tanguay has scored a team-leading six goals in his first eight games as a Montreal Canadien ...Read the full article

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  1. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: The Flames were foolish to give up on Tanguay.

    I have no doubts that Alex Tanguay will rebound well this season with the Habs and will put up some big numbers ...

    This guy is a great talent and a real class act.

    This is why his Mooseheads sweater lies alongside JS Giguere's in the rafters of the Halifax Metro Centre.

    Oh well, Calgary's loss is Montreal's gain, I guess...

    Go Alex !
  2. Markham Hislop from Calgary, Canada writes: R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: The Flames were foolish to give up on Tanguay.

    You're kidding, right? By his own admission Tanguay didn't work hard in Calgary. For $5.25 million a year it would have been nice to see him break a sweat once in a while. The guy mailed it in. Especially in the stretch run and the first round playoff loss. The only guy lazier than Tanguay was Huselius. A pox on them both!

    Bertuzzi is twice the player Tanguay will ever be. His hands are just as good and his chemistry with Iginla is entertaining to watch. And he costs about $4 million less.

    Mike Keenan said over and over again last year that his elite players were not mentally prepared to play at an elite level. His finger was pointing right at Tanguay. And with good reason. Frankly, I wish they'd traded him to the Habs at the deadline. The guy was a boat anchor on the team.

    Good luck with him, Guy. He's scoring up a storm now, during the easy going, we'll see how he plays down the stretch. From the Calgary perspective, good riddance! You're welcome to him.
  3. brad maddigan from Canada writes: Tanguay is a Stanley Cup winner, and proven scorer. He didn't say he wasn't trying in Calgary, he said he was trying harder here. Also, Keenan is not an easy coach to play for. Still, it's early, but I am betting that Pierre Mcquire will be eating his words in saying that Tanguay was not a good pickup for the Habs.
  4. J M from Canada writes: Markham Hislop from Calgary, Canada writes: Bertuzzi is twice the player Tanguay will ever be.

    I can only say you must be biased against the player and/or his new team to make such a comment.

    These two score goals at the same rate (.3 per game), Tanguay has more career assists although he has played 200 less games.

    Tanguay scores a point 20% (give or take) more often than Bertuzzi.

    Tanguay is a Stanley Cup winner, Bertuzzi of course has joined two teams that have won the cup, too bad he shows up the following year.

    In 00-01, Tanguay scored 21 points in 23 games and was a PLUS 13 in Colorado's drive to winning the cup. (I would say that is good play "down the stretch" as you put it). Bertuzzi has yet to play in a Stanley Cup final series.

    Regular season and playoffs combine, Tanguay is a career PLUS 150 vs Bertuzzi a career MINUS 38 - thats a difference of 188 on the plus/minus, that is significant and of course plus minus is a funny stat, but 188, its not 18.8, it's a telling number to say the least.

    (You may be surprised to know that Iginla & Tanguay have almost an exact point per game NHL output - .888 pts per game each)

    There are many reasons Bertuzzi has been moved 7 times in his career, and it is not just his goon incident legacy.

    You may want to try and sell Keenan as someone who isn't a known ar$ehole!

    Or maybe it's Bertuzzi and Tanguay having the same number of goals - no assists for Bertuzzi and even though he is playing with the $7million dollar Iginla, he is still a MINUS 5 in only his ninth game with Calgary.

    Please identify how you could possibly say that "Bertuzzi is twice the player Tanguay will ever be" when it seems upon closer inspection that Bert can't carry Tanguays "jacques strap".
  5. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Markham, I agree. The Flames saw the potential from him and expected him to rebound but instead he gouged the cap room for 2 years. Tanguay would fit in the Habs play style. Unlike the west, the east is more about the fancy puck movement and expectation that no one will take you out if you have the puck.
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    The Flames may have lost Tanguay but Cam and Bert are more exciting to watch. Seriously like the song goes, all good things must come to an end. And the includes Tanguay fluke positions on the ice but watch him against the Avs he will be one taking the stupid penalties for the team
  6. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: Tanguay's success lies in the fact that he is being used properly. Sadly, for whatever reason Keenan didn't. As per usual Keenan resorted to his usual out of date head games, and found no result.

    “I like it, there's a lot of skating and puck movement, it fits the style of play I like, you have to have as much fun as possible.”

    Obviously the Flames plodding workman style, was not a good fit for Tanguay which should have been obvious as the Avalanche played a pretty free flowing game.

    Marham Hislop, Tanguay was the least of the Flames problems last year. Inconsistent play, and second rate goaltending, and lousy coaching where the real issues. Let's hope it gets sorted out his year.

    Oh and Vive Les Canadiens
  7. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Jude,
    Unfortunately playing like a princess means nothing when you can’t score. How hard is it for an elite player to score? The Flames are better without him because it shows how much he was holding back for 2 years? How can you blame Keenan? There was Jim Playfair too and Tanguay just couldn’t get over the fact that he was traded from his beloved Avs.
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    He just didn’t try at all about learning anything new.
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    Second rate goal tending sure at least we wouldn’t trade a seasoned goaltender for a rookie that wasn’t even in pro form during the playoffs. Price even admitted he wasn’t eating properly or trained to for that long of a run. Seriously get off your high horse and get back to reality.
  8. Dave The Rave from Ottawa, Canada writes: Sometimes it's just chemistry. If you don't get along with your boss you probably won't do your best work. Tanguay's not an elite talent who can play through anything. He is a better fit in Montreal, who do well with 'eccentric' players like Kovalev, Hamrlik, Lang, etc. As for Pierre McGuire, he's too busy talking to eat his words. LOL
  9. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: Hockey Girl Where to begin. 1.Keenan hasn't a decent NHL coach since 94. 2.Keenan alianated two of his 3 skilled players last year. both of whom are off to great starts. 3.Keenan used Tanguay in a defensive system, in a primarily defensive role, and on the PK. In fact complementing his play in doing so. 4.Carey Price was a 20 year old living out of a hotel, how many 20 year old men do you know who eat right? 5.The Huet trade was all about getting Price some valuable experience in time for the centennial run, and it worked. He realized that he wasn't taking care of himself properly and lost 25lbs coming in to camp. 6.Bob Gainey is a Stanley cup winning GM who will still have his job come July, will Sutter have his? Sadly a lot of my buddies are just like you. You overate your team and your GM, and every year you look to a different scapegoat, first is was Playfair, then Tanguay, if big if, the Flames make the playoffs, the 4th consecutive first round exit will follow, and I will wait to hear that it was Bertuzzi fault. (one of Sutter's better signings by the way). The plooding workman style of old is gone and until either Sutter learns that or he is replaced the Flames will continue to mire away in the 9-7th spot in the western conference.
  10. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Jude let me answer your lovely insights. 1. Keenan fits the Sutter’s style. Sutter was the one that saw the potential in Tanguay to begin with but realizes that when Tanguay wasn’t living up to his potential like any good gardener, much prune the team to get it healthy again. ------ 2. The stars you were referring needed someone to hold their hand and nurture something Keenan is not suppose to be. ---- 3. Umm last time I checked Flames were known for their checking style of playing and it was Tanguay that didn’t fit the team effort, he’s a finesse player that needs his space and doesn’t like going to the boards to dig out the pucks ------- 4. Price was 20 so what, Crosby was young to but he didn’t use that as an excuse. If Price was so precious why didn’t his teammates open their homes to him? ------ 5. I would have kept Huet until after the playoffs to give Price the knowledge that if he has a bad game there’s someone to back him up. ------ 6. Just because you’re originally from the East coast tells me you know very little about the Flames and just listen to what the broadcasters say. It’s not about who wins so much because it obviously didn’t help the Habs last year and if you want to talk about pressure I think this year for the Habs will be even worst if they don’t make through the first round of the playoffs. ---- 7. Seriously, I like the game and the checking, getting the cup is just a bonus now. Just because you want to see the cup means you like to jump on the bandwagon of what ever team that wins. I'm glad the Pens went futher than the Habs now.
  11. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: Hockey Girl

    Thank you

    Jude wrote

    "obviously the Flames plodding workman style, was not a good fit for Tanguay"

    HG Wrote

    " Flames were known for their checking style of playing, Tanguay that didn’t fit the team effort, he’s a finesse player that needs his space and doesn’t like going to the boards to dig out the pucks"

    As I tried to state in my first post Tanguay wasn't used properly here in Calgary, but it seems you read it as an insult to your identity, and went on to lambaste Tanguay, and for whatever reason brought up the Huet trade. And in your second post you let your true colours show, with a vindictive "I'm glad the Pens went futher than the Habs now".

    How very typical of most of trolls on this site. Making assumptions, not actually reading what a poster writes, and supporting their stance with arguments that have little to do with the discussion at hand.

    A bandwagon jumper from the east coast...Imbicile

  12. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Jude,

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    Didn’t use Tanguay properly? If a player doesn’t want to play that kind of defensive hockey then it just won’t work in the West. Why change a whole team work ethics because of one player can’t understand the concept of the team?

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    Like I said in a earlier post “Tanguay would fit in the Habs play style. Unlike the west, the east is more about the fancy puck movement and expectation that no one will take you out if you have the puck”

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    You can call me a troll or imbicile all you want. You have a double standard because everyone can trash talk the Flames but when a Flames fans decides to defend it’s like a they know nothing about hockey. I’m sorry if I sounded vindictive when I’m glad the Pens went further but it is the truth.
  13. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: HG

    Did you want Tanguay to score goals or play defensive hockey? You seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth here.

    You wrote "the east is more about the fancy puck movement and expectation that no one will take you out if you have the puck”. The two top hitters of the game last year were OV and Komiserek. Both playing in the east. What you mean to say is that the east is more skilled, and the west plays a more rugged style, both having merit.

    I was not trash talking the Flames but merely pointing out the obvious, and sadly you are too blinded by the Western Canadian syche to see that objectivly. I wish the Flames success, I just don't believe that they will achieve any until Sutter, Keenan and their old School atitudes go.
  14. JM Work from Canada writes: I dont know why its so difficult for some to understand that Tanguay wasnt used properly and didnt fit into the Flames system. The mistake was trading for him and bringing him to the Flames in the first place.
  15. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: I wanted him to play both. Iggy and Lanks were able to play the tough side and score the goals as well. Yes Ov and Kom are the tough players and so are the Flyers but the top teams prefer the puck movement more then the checking style. For the east last year, I would cheer for the Flyers, because they could have come up with Cinderella story of making it to the finals would have been fine for me. - I’m not as blinded in how some people can make assumptions for a team for the whole year. Assuming is the worst thing because you end up with a lot of disappointments in the end. Look at what happen to the Sens or Habs, great expectations and what happened, disappointment in the end. I remember my friends telling me the Sens were going to win the cup but lost in the final round. - Like I stated before , I just love watching hockey and it doesn’t matter which teams was on, I would still watch it. But I will say the Flames had a rocky start but they are picking up the wins one game at a time. It’s better to make the mistakes now and learn from them instead of the end of the season. - You are right that the west will be tough to attain a spot but I’m sure the Flames won’t go out without a fight. It will be an interesting year again.
  16. J M from Canada writes: HG writes: "Look at what happen to the Sens or Habs, great expectations and what happened, disappointment in the end."

    - what great expectations are you talking about, Habs were projected to finish 14th last year, remember? Are you confused by this years expectations?
  17. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Sens, were expected to win instead of the Ducks

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    Habs were expected to go further when they were top in their division.

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    This years expectations for the Habs with the 100 years of hockey and such. Right they are doing fine but the heat will turn up after the new year.
  18. J M from Canada writes: Your projection that Montreal will not do fine after the new year garbage gives you zero credibility.

    If someone said they expect Calgary and their slow, plodding, workman like style, dressing room cancer Bertuzzi, nutbar Keenan, consumate underacheiver Kiprusoff and his current 4.08 GAA, will have them on the outside looking in come playoff time (at least it wont be a 4th consecutive first round flop). But that's just a useless negative opinion, means nothing.

    Given that I backed up my projection with something tangible, certainly gives it slightly more clout - please disagree (but substantiate it will you).

    I still see no reply from my initial post Bertuzzi vs Tanguay either.
  19. J M from Canada writes: HG, my mistake, Kipusoff's GAA was 4.08 in last years playoffs, not thus far this year, where it is actually 4.22, yikes
  20. J M from Canada writes: And another note, this 4 GAA gouges (in your words) your salary cap a whopping, and I do mean WHOPPING $8,500,000 - good work out there in cow town, this guy will take you far...
  21. Swifty J from Mtl, Canada writes: I don't really care about what happened (or not) in Calgary last year.

    What worried me was that Tanguay would wilt under the pressure of being the Habs' best top-line forward from Quebec since Damphousse. (No, I'm not forgetting Ribeiro, who didn't blossom here for various reasons, including the pressure IMO.)

    In a way, Tanguay's fortunate to have arrived at a time when the whole team is playing under the weight of high expectations. He's being spared the saviour treatment.

    As for the specific reasons for his success so far: looks to me that it's as simple as being a great fit for Saku Koivu. The two of them together open plenty of room for each other, and Tanguay brings both scoring and playmaking ability, relieving Koivu of the burden of trying to do everything on his line.

    Anyone else notice the lack of hooking and holding penalties Koivu's taken so far? Not a coincidence. Better speed and puck possession = less chasing and fewer obstruction fouls.

    Latendresse has been complementary to Koivu and Tanguay most nights, but I'd rather see Higgins as the other winger on their line. His speed and grit would be a better fit.
  22. SEAN SMITH from Canada writes: xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Look at what happen to the Sens or Habs, great expectations and what happened, disappointment in the end.

    This statement may be true for the Sens, however you are completely wrong for the Habs. Every hockey analysts picked the habs either not to make the playoffs or finish in the 8th spot with a first round exit. Even the habs were suprised by the season they had. They expected last year to be a year for their young guns to grow and get experience for their 100th. All through the season, everyone was saying, just watch come Jan the habs will fall apart just like they always do. Everything clicked for Montreal last year and they will continue to impress this year even with the analysts " great expectations" but as all habs fans know, they still have 1 hole to fill to be able to compete against Detroit. A top 4 defenceman, or as I believe a top 2.

    Markov Komi
    Hammy ?
    O'byrne Boullion/Brisebois
  23. Swifty J from Mtl, Canada writes: Sean Smith, totally agree about that hole to fill, whether it means adding an elite D or merely a no. 4.

    There's no telling who that might turn out to be. Just have to wait and see who's buying and selling at the deadline.
  24. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM, we will see how things end up. Kipper and the Flames are known for their slow starts so what you say is meaningless considering we know they are slow out the gates.

    First round meh, we almost had the sharks last year but we live and learn. No need to sound so arrogant, let's see how far Price will be this year. Trust me the media in Montreal will super detailed in regads to every players move and if Tanguay couldn't handle it in the west then then he's going to be in for a rude awaking.

    Like I stated before, Tanguay had the talent and potential to be very good but instead it was in investment on a flop. Good for him to restart his talent with the Habs.
  25. J M from Canada writes: Good points SEAN SMITH Only missing item I note is Josh Gorges, if he has not won all but 3 battles for the puck this year, i haven't seen it - the guy is, in my opinion, a viable D man, albeit in the 5th spot due mostly to his overall lack of girth - he plays his own positioning excellent and never ceases to surprise in making the play on D, be it out racing the attacker or taking the pounding, planning on getting hit and always look ahead to his positioning to get the puck, whether he is knocked down or not. I've had the isolation camera on him when I watch every game on RDS, rewinding the PVR, etc. and the plays the guy does just gets better. Hands down most improved player on the Habs and has to be considered near the top in the league for most improved. That said I would love another big 4th D man.
  26. J M from Canada writes: Good points SEAN SMITH
    Only missing item I note is Josh Gorges, if he has not won all but 3 battles for the puck this year, i haven't seen it - the guy is, in my opinion, a viable D man, albeit in the 5th spot due mostly to his overall lack of girth - he plays his own positioning excellent and never ceases to surprise in making the play on D, be it out racing the attacker or taking the pounding, planning on getting hit and always look ahead to his positioning to get the puck, whether he is knocked down or not.
    I've had the isolation camera on him when I watch every game on RDS, rewinding the PVR, etc. and the plays the guy does just gets better. Hands down most improved player on the Habs and has to be considered near the top in the league for most improved.
    That said I would love another big 4th D man.
  27. J M from Canada writes: HG: If you want to call facts arrogance, look up both words next time.

    "They always start slow" is laughable, back to back to back 1st round knockouts, seems they "always finish slow"

    Why would I "trust you" when you have lost credibility, not only for your negative presumptions, but for still not responding to my "facts" re; Bertuzzi vs Tanguay.

    Talent like Tanguay's doesn't need a "restart", say like Bertuzzi and his minus 5 in 9 games playing with Jerome..., yikes
  28. Dave The Rave from Ottawa, Canada writes: The Habs biggest challenge will come when they are up against teams who have real power forwards, ie Lucic, Getzlaf, Hartnell, etc. Maybe Pacioretty is that guy. O'Byrne needs to sort out his game, as his size and youth are working against him right now. If he can, Montreal will be very tough defensively. There isn't much in the way of good value available right now on the trade market.
  29. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: xoxo hockeygirl from Canada:

    Glad to see from your comments that you are learning to appreciate Crosby more and more this season, but seriously, I watched Tanguay in Halifax for many more years than you did in Calgary...

    There is no reason to knock this guy. Alex Tanguay is and will continue to be a great player -- Keenan has a bad habit of brandishing some players (remember this is a guy who once had Hasek as a goaltender, but wouldn't play him) and I personally believe Tanguay may have got on Keenan's bad side last season.

    As several posters here have already pointed out, Tanguay was misused last season in Calgary as a defensive forward -- Offense and play-making is clearly his forte. The Canadiens do emphasize two way hockey, but also traditionally believe in letting the stallions run.

    I project big things for Tanguay this season...

    Swifty J from Mtl -- I would leave that line of Tanguay, Koivu and Latendresse alone to allow them to continue to develop a chemistry.... It's working.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Slainte
  30. J M from Canada writes: DTR: If OB can sort himself out he will be another Komisarek if all goes well. The kid Webber may be given an opportunity sooner than later if OB does not. So much depth, it's great. You know things are great when a Calgary fan is counting on Price to be as bad as their $8.5Million dollar sieve.
  31. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Sean Smith/Swifty J;

    Trade you Kaberle straight up for Max Pacioretty or Ben Maxwell.

    Trade you Kubina for a number one and two draft pick.

    :)

    Cheers
  32. Dave The Rave from Ottawa, Canada writes: Scot--Kaberle for Maxwell is a steal, advantage Habs.
  33. J M from Canada writes: Scot, habs are looking to improve on defensive...
    Maybe we can swing a Hollweg for S Kostitsyn
    cheers
  34. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Have to agree with Miller re: Alex Tanguay

    He was misused in Calgary. He played his whole career in the West (Colorado/Calgary) so saying he couldn't handle that style of play is totally incorrect.

    That said..... He is much more suited to the Montreal/Detroit style of play.... I am expecting a career year for him this year.

    As for Keenan.... he has destoyed players and he has elevated players to beyond expectations. I expect him to help Bertuzzi reclaim his game... but I still don't think Calgary will make the playoffs. Not unless they get rid of Keenan before January. He is killing Kipper.

    Cheers
  35. J M from Canada writes: If Tanguay has a career year, that means Koivu does too!
    I projected Koivu to lead the team in points after the Tanguay acquisition.
  36. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: DTR:

    That was supposed to be "and" ... not "or"

    Cheers
  37. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM like Tanguay, Bert and Cam are having a come back year and scoring more than they did with their former teams. As for my creditability was in regards to what people were predicting mid season and more so after the trade deadline not the preseason.
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    Just keep holding on to that fact that Kipper isn’t doing good. Hey first round or not, the NW division is the hardest to play in and fact that you’re always fighting for a spot for the playoffs. Considering most of the teams in the NW division fill 4 out of the 8 spots should tell you something too.
  38. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM I would take Bert over Tangs anytime. Tanguay left a gaping hole on the left side while he was in the west. Bert has few more moves to show the world that he’s a good player when given the chance. Credibility, what ever, throwing last season’s facts like they are the truth means nothing. Every year the stats can only help you so much but when injuries strike a team they will always fall apart.
  39. J M from Canada writes: HG: Regarding Bertuzzi vs Tanguay, I was referring to Markham Hislop's comment "Bertuzzi is twice the player Tanguay will ever be" and your reply "Markham, I agree".

    Of which I finished my stat & fact laden rebuttal with "when it seems, upon closer inspection that Bert can't carry Tanguays jacques strap"
  40. Swifty J from Mtl, Canada writes: Both of those Leafs have NTCs, no? Assuming they waive...

    If Kaberle moves, he'll fetch more than that. I wouldn't dangle Pacioretty if I were Gainey, but there are a number of other prospects who could be expendable if the opportunity arose.

    Kubina... eh, maybe, but I wouldn't be inclined to give up his likely deadline price.

    The real prize would be Jay Bouwmeester if the Panthers ever give up on signing him. If that opportunity comes along, I'd have no problem with Gainey winning a bidding war as long as the package retained just a glimmer of sanity.

    We also have to see how O'Byrne develops between now and February. I still don't think he's any worse than Komisarek was with a similar level of NHL experience, i.e., still a ways from learning how to get his brain, body and legs in sync at an elite level.

    Seems that O'Byrne is a healthy scratch for tonight, though, so here's hoping he gets the chance to redeem himself soon...and makes the most of it.
  41. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Miller if you read my first post, I said that Tanguay was a better fit for Montreal because they rely more on the fineness puck movement over the board work. Only reason why I was knocking Tanguay, is only for the time with the Flames because it was less the stellar. Was he misused sure call it what you want, for me I felt like he was holding back for sure. With the potential to score 30 goals is something to grind about.

    Yes I see Crosby’s potential but still love Iggy.
  42. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM you can say all you want. When Tanguay hits another drought of a goalless streak you will understand why we grit our teeth. Like I stated before Tanguay can score when he wants to. What miller said is right, he’s a play maker more than anything else.
  43. R Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: xoxo hockey girl from Canada:

    What's not to love about any guy named Iggy ?

    I fully agree with Mr. Loucks' 2:22 PM comments regarding both Tanguay and Keenan ...

    Slainte
  44. J M from Canada writes: Cammalleri last year 47pts in 63 games, year before 80pts in 81 games with a perennial loser in the LA Kings - hardly in need of the big comeback in Calgary to save his career.

    And Bertuzzi, well at age 34 there are only 5 that I recall that improved at age 34 vs the prior 5 years (Howe, Bucyk, Messier, Selanne, Kovalev) If you think Bert belongs in that company, you go right ahead thinking that. Wait until someone elbows Iginla and Bert gets the word to "go talk to him" Oh wait, nothing to worry about as he is half the player he used to be (and even the player he used to be compares in relation to Tanguay, despite what you keep telling yourself)

    Like I noted earlier, If Bert is so good, how come he is a minus 5 after 9 games while playing with Iginla? Seems that Jeromes 10 points are good, yet playing with Bert has him at a minus 2 himself.
  45. J M from Canada writes: HG: Unlike it is apparent that unlike yourself, i follow hockey, more than just "my team" - It is clear that you are not going to enlighten me about Tanguay.
  46. J M from Canada writes: On another note, I see that Hab D prospect Pavel Valentenko has apparently bolted to the Russian KHL on a 3 year deal
  47. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: Oh My!!

    I see that in my abscence others have joined the fray. The usual suspects, Greetings. We souldn't be picking on HG in such a manner folks, she may not want to come back.

    Anyhow I see that speculating trades has been brought up, so I'd like to ask a little something.

    Does Higgings become expendable if Gui continues his good play and develops into the player we all want to see him become? Could he be a part of a package that gets us that Dman we are looking for to help us against the Lucics of the world (Cam Neely was enough now we get to deal with this guy).
    Do we need a proven NHL power forward, we all liked what we saw from Max Pac, but he is not the answer IMO.

    Anyhow food for thought, looking forward to intelligent discussion.

    Vive Les Canadiens

  48. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM: If you want stats fine, in the last 2 years during the playoffs that Tanguay only produced 1 goal out of 13 games, and was a -1 -2 during those times. Or that he only produced 16 goals during the 74 playoff games while he was with Avs are true then he might choke during the playoffs more so.

    Throwing around numbers and thinking you're god of Hockey then I guess you would win.

    AS you number about Kipper are off, you said he was a 4.08 though I see on the NHL sight it was 3.21 and his average for all the years he has played in the NHL its about 2.19. IF you want to throw number then do it properly. Did I want to point out that you're wrong no but seriously get off your high horse.
  49. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Jude, nah, it's quite amusing to me to see how people are so defensive when a negative comment is directed toward Tanguay. It's almost like telling a Apple lover, I don't have a ipod.
  50. J M from Canada writes: As far as Higgins, Latendresse & also Plekanec are concerned. These three have to step it up and keep improving or else they will all be trade bait and rumour fodder. Pleks still playing like a girl as he noted last year, Higgins has to supplant Gui for his old spot on Saku's wing, although playing with Sergei Kostitsyn & Lang (whom is everything I anticipated I am happy to note) isn't any form of punishment for lack of production.

    I see possible lineup juggling in the next few weeks if the big line doesn't start filling the net, Lang centering Kovalev & Andrei K is an option
  51. J M from Canada writes: Kiprusoff, according to his union's web site:
    2008-09 CALG, NHL 9 5 3 1 4.22
    Last years playoffs
    2007-08 CALG, NHL 7 2 4 0 4.08
    If you are having trouble reading that or getting up to date stats, just ask.

    By the way, Tanguay post season;
    Games-96 Goals-19 Assists-39 Points-58
    That's 58 points in 96 games, over .6 pts per game - not the playoff slug you are selling.

    And when it really counts, he stepped up for a cup winning run.
    2000-01 COLO, NHL 23 6 15 21
    Thats 21 points in 23 games towards win the cup.

    Bertuzzi, 23 pts for 46 games and a minus 7, No Cups

    Thats right, your Bertuzzi turns out to be the comparable playoff choker, averging lower points per game avg. than Tanguay, whom you branded a playoff choker, although he played great and won a cup, Bertuzzi hasn't and now is old, too old to be an improved power forward you're trying to sell him as.

    You're done, next.
  52. Steve Gibbons from Calgary, Canada writes: I'm a huge Flames fan and a season ticket holder but the Flames have no one to blame but themselves for the return they got on Tanguay. You don't hire a ballerina when you're looking for a butcher. It was a bad trade and the Flames had the wrong expectations to bring a player of Tanguay's skill and style to Calgary and expect him to play differently. They did the same with Drury and Amonte too. The only one that worked out the way they planned was Nolan and now he's gone too. I think Sutter finally has it right now though. I'd take a guy like Bertuzzi or Camalerri in the Flames system any day over Tanguay.
  53. J M from Canada writes: I'm still laughing at someone giving wrong statistics and offering help with stats.
  54. J M from Canada writes: Steve Gibbons: Cammalleri, pound for pound, dollar for dollar is one of the best players in the league in my opinion.
  55. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Seriously where the heck are you find this stats?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=292&hubname=nhl-flames

    Go look on TSN and you will see where I'm coming from. Kipper's union website? hmm...interesting. I want to see this link.

    It's not about age, because you have Cleary, or McCarty or Brind'Amour or Selanne who have had come back careers that lead them to the cup.

    I think I would rather talk to Miller than you because you have a serious issue that is down right nasty.
  56. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM give me the link to your stats.

    http://flames.nhl.com/team/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8462147&service=page&tab=crs

    Also his save is at a 2.99 right now. So what. I want to see where you're getting your stats.

    I've pulled mine from TSN and the Offical webisite of the Flames

    You amuse me to a point where it's annoying, you must hate seeing girls talk about hockey...stats...they are just numbers..
  57. J M from Canada writes: HG, after thoroughly giving your head a shake, go to nhlpa.com, (thats why I mentioned it's Kiprusoff's union web site)
    go have a look, get some numbers that aren't outdated, ie: Tanguay has played 96 playoff games, not 74 the fact that every number you quoted was wrong just makes me laugh - but the topper is you following that up with.... "IF you want to throw number then do it properly. Did I want to point out that you're wrong no but seriously get off your high horse." You just keep reaffirming how little credibility your opinions have. Lucky they are just opinions after all.

    I'm loathe to say your embarrassing conduct brightens my day.
  58. J M from Canada writes: Kiprusoffs stats in all their $8.5 million dollar glory

    http://www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/PlayerBiography.asp?ID=2873
  59. J M from Canada writes: you're gender has no meaning, only a fool would say such a thing and you are proving yourself a worthless fool,
    quit while you're behind, as I said many comments ago,
    you're done, next.
  60. Scot Loucks from Winnipeg, Canada writes: Hockey Girl/J M... you two sound like your married.

    Cheers
  61. J M from Canada writes: after all that the irony isn't lost when Jethro Tull-Thick as a Brick comes on the radio
  62. Jude Hannaford from Calgary, Canada writes: HG

    "Jude, nah, it's quite amusing to me to see how people are so defensive when a negative comment is directed toward Tanguay. It's almost like telling a Apple lover, I don't have a ipod."

    Replace Tanguay with Flames, and lo and behold we have you. Isn't that what started your uninformed tirade.

    Also the word you are looking for is inaccurate not negative. Get your poop in a group, and come back later.

    Steve Gibbons is spot on in his post. Square peg, round hole.
  63. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM

    the 74 games I was talking about was about his time with the AVS only but I forgot he played 9 games with the Avs after the lock out before he was tradeto the flames so I will correct what I said he played 83 games with the Avs. I was not countin his entire career.

    As for that website, I think they may have it wrong. Why would the Calgary Flames and TSN has the same numbers. Seriously you're the rudest of them all. Cling to your hopes and dreams with your tanguay. I'm glad it's working out but we will see, the season is still young.
  64. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM look at the Minutes column, it is inaccurate about how many minutes Kipper played last year, I think he played more than 384 minutes... So I will quickly notify them of this error they have on their website! Thanks a bunch.

    Well well Jude and JM are like two peas in a pod especially how you love to point out negative comments directed towards Tanguay.
  65. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Let me correct this, JM you are 4.22 is so far but it is not set in stone. But I find it amusing that other sites have it lower. But I guess having that is gold for you.

    Disregard the 384 miunutes because that is an on going stat right now and I still think the stat is 2.99 right now but looks like I will be less reliable.
  66. J M from Canada writes: I would react the same if it was inaccurate positive comments, like I did with your BS spewed about Bertuzzi & Cammellari.
  67. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: Hey I can understand your beef about Bert but Cam has nothing to complain about. He had a bad year and is set to bounce back. Like how Tanguay is with the Habs. Like I said before Sutter saw the potential but Tangs style is more puck moving like the Habs.

    Have fun at work JM.

    I just had a thought what would you think about a rematch of Calgary and Montreal for the Cup final? Like how it was back in 1988-89 series. It was be interesting.
  68. xoxo hockey girl from Canada writes: JM

    go to not to sound like a broken record,
    www.nhl.com or www.tsn.com or http://flames.nhl.com/

    All have the same numbers which are far from the NHLPA site. Seriously the more I think about it, it's odd that 1 out of 4 sites are wrong. just an after thought, I like to go to different site to confirm the averages
  69. Jude Hannaford from Canada writes: HG

    "I just had a thought what would you think about a rematch of Calgary and Montreal for the Cup final? Like how it was back in 1988-89 series. It was be interesting."

    The Flames have to make the playoffs first. However I digress, that would in fact be a delight to behold. Although I see more of an 86 style finish, therefore making the potential series the rubber match.
  70. Dave The Rave from Ottawa, Canada writes: Shanahan to Montreal? That's the buzz today. Gainey had made a pitch to him the year before; maybe Brendan now sees himself in a different version of red-white-and-blue. BTW isn't a Tanguay-Bertuzzi comparison irrevelant? They are completely different kinds of players. Bert is a Keenan kind of guy, Alex wasn't. End of story. PS Loucks, our Kaberle for Maxwell deal is off LOL. But I will throw in Shawn Belle and a second rounder with Ben for Tomy K--are you interested? Or make me an offer I can not refuse :-)
  71. Swifty J from Mtl, Canada writes: Shanahan to Montreal has been floating around off and on for months... and frankly it doesn't sound very likely.

    Quite a few posts back, Jude asked if Higgins might become expendable. Well, to that I say there are precious few untouchables, so if you have to surrender a Higgins to get a great D-man, then you do.

    But in general I do not believe he is on the block, and much as I like Latendresse, in no way do I believe he's passed Higgins on the depth chart at this point.
  72. Dave The Rave from Ottawa, Canada writes: Swifty--who is the D-Man you would trade for?
  73. Swifty J from Mtl, Canada writes: Dave, at this point the best who might be traded is Bouwmeester. For him, I'd certainly consider packaging Higgins.

    Tomas Kaberle is another in that category, but I doubt he's going to move.

    More realistic would be a second-pairing player. In that case I wouldn't put Higgins into play, and wouldn't expect it to be necessary. No names in particular come to mind here, but there are usually a few options at the deadline.
  74. Arec Bardwin from MLSE LA LA LAND, Canada writes: Quote--
    I just had a thought what would you think about a rematch of Calgary and Montreal for the Cup final? Like how it was back in 1988-89 series. It was be interesting."

    ________________________________________________________

    Flames will make the playoffs. But Bettman would NEVER let that happen. He would do absolutely anything to make sure it is not an all Canadian final. Plus the Red Wings are really good.

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